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Lorelei:
Quote from: dramamine on 2009 June 16, 19:50:45
When I read this, I was reminded about some commercial I saw about an awareness program to stop calling retarded people retarded.
We have discussed this awareness program here at MATY already. The consensus seemed to be that our Tards are altogether worse and well deserving of their Trashcans, scorn, Tard status and special titles, unlike those mentally retarded people / small-L 'tards out there who had the misfortune to be born that way but who can be pleasant to be around even if dim; and, also, This Is MATY, We Are Not Politically Correct, Take Your Butthurt Elsewhere.
If you have an interest in that sort of thing, the Search box will help you find the original discussion about this.
dramamine:
Quote from: Lorelei on 2009 June 16, 20:53:14
We have discussed this awareness program here at MATY already. The consensus seemed to be that our Tards are altogether worse and well deserving of their Trashcans, scorn, Tard status and special titles, unlike those mentally retarded people / small-L 'tards out there who had the misfortune to be born that way but who can be pleasant to be around even if dim; and, also, This Is MATY, We Are Not Politically Correct, Take Your Butthurt Elsewhere.
If you have an interest in that sort of thing, the Search box will help you find the original discussion about this.
Ah, I apologize. I hadn't considered that this particular commercial would have been brought up here and discussed in length. I had picked up on that the Tard titles and such weren't being used in a fashion to bash those who are actually mentally retarded. Also, I enjoy the fact MATY isn't politically correct and encourages people to think. I appreciate the guidance, Lorelei, and thank you.
TheQuietOne:
It's interesting to see that opinion on special treatment of children with different levels of ability is so inconsistent. Accommodating needs of children with LD is seen as society pampering them, at the same time catering to the needs of advanced students is seen as a duty of educational system.
Everyone deserves a fulfilled and dignified life. That is all. If we can provide help, than by all means let's do it. And if by trying to help people lead a better life we reshape the society a bit, than all the better. A norm is a norm till it's not.
There is, after all, a thing called solidarity, n'est pas?
socurious:
Quote from: TheQuietOne on 2009 June 16, 23:07:40
It's interesting to see that opinion on special treatment of children with different levels of ability is so inconsistent. Accommodating needs of children with LD is seen as society pampering them, at the same time catering to the needs of advanced students is seen as a duty of educational system.
I believe the point is that the "accommodations" that are being used to help "level the playing field" are inconsistent, impractical, and ineffective. What is actually being observed is that the LD students are being passed along without being able to perform the tasks required to advance to the next level. These "accommodations" are consuming time, effort, space, and financial resources that could otherwise be used to benefit those who are capable of learning and performing at the determined successful levels. I don't believe anyone, especially an educator, would want another to go without education. The argument is having realistic goals as opposed to encouraging someone with no spatial ability that they can successfully walk a tight-rope.
What is this "caterng to the needs of advanced students" to which you refer? I have never experienced any "catering" to an individual who works hard or has an innate ability to learn; the benefits they derive is completely earned. In my experience, the needs of those who are advanced are neglected and ignored in order to accommodate those who need more help.
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Everyone deserves a fulfilled and dignified life. That is all. If we can provide help, than by all means let's do it. And if by trying to help people lead a better life we reshape the society a bit, than all the better. A norm is a norm till it's not.
There is, after all, a thing called solidarity, n'est pas?
I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement. No one "deserves" anything unless he or she has earned it. I will give my all of my efforts to help someone who is working hard to achieve his goals. I will not, however, do the same for someone who thinks she is entitled to what I have earned, just because she breathes.
rufio:
Quote from: jolrei on 2009 June 16, 13:00:30
Not sure I understand this. See, she did actually tell the story of her office mate, who had a student with a learning disability who wanted to be an English major, but couldn't write a sentence, and yet was being passed along, likely to her detriment...
Yes, after I harassed her about it.
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 16, 14:24:55
I offered an example of one of my students, and one of a colleague's.
Thank you.
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And to answer your question about what the student's specific disorder was, my response is "AH HA HA HA HA, you poor naive little rabbit." At this level, students are protected by FOIP and don't have to SAY what their disabilities are. At least, not to lowly beings like profs. We just have to accomodate the disability, not know what it is.
Surely you can be more specific than "unable to write a simple sentence."
Taking my sister out to dinner, BRB. I'll get to the rest later.
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