Morality & The Sims
sanmonroe:
Anyone find it ironic that in a rant about a possible racist post the ranter asks about Orientals?
We are asian. Things can be oriental, people cannot.
simmiecal:
Quote from: Momthing on 2005 September 27, 20:20:42
Quote from: windy_moon on 2005 September 25, 08:50:17
Maximus March is the oldest son, natural born therefore African American. He's an adult now, quite successful in Science, and married to a beautiful CAS with one child of his own. As a knowledge Sim, he'd never been about appearance...he wore polo shirts and pants, had close cropped hair and a very earnest expression.
When he became so successful, I gave him a makeover. He has nice cornrow hair, sharp sunglasses and a tan leather jacket outfit. He looks like a successful black man, not a successful black man dressed like a typical white man, if you know what I mean. The makeover matched his level of personal confidence, I thought.
If you're Black, and making the above comments, then you're forgiven for what I would otherwise consider one of the most condescending racist comments I've seen in a long time. Because if you're Black and that's what you consider the epitome of what a successful Black person should wear, more power to you.
When I first read the posting you quoted, I had a slight reaction similiar to yours. HOWEVER, in the rest of the post, Windy_Moon talked about this being a way to open a dialogue about race perceptions and how stereotypes are not always true. I think you did a disservice by focusing on only part of the post.
I am not a perfect person. While I strive to live my life in a color-blind, religious-blind, etc., tolerant way, I realize that there are times when I am racist and/or prejudicial without intending to be. What is important is that I strive to improve. I believe what is important in Windy_Moon's post is that he/she strives to pass along values of not judging people by their appearance....even if he/she sometimes falls short of that goal.
You can choose to attack someone or try to open a dialogue with them. I don't think people's beliefs and attitudes change when they are being attacked.
windy_moon:
Oh Dear. Oh Dear. Oh Dear!
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I was composing a response and then I see more responses and I'm afraid that I've made a big message board 101 mistake. Never mention race. You can mention anything but race. I've been message boarding long enough to know this. It's nearly impossible to either not be misunderstood OR to say something that truly is insensitive, even if you don't realize it when you are posting.
I don't know what I was thinking, touching on something so sensitive. I would really love to edit my original post, but I don't want to make subsequent posts look like they are talking to air, either, that's not fair. I guess I'll see what kind of turn the thread takes (which isn't looking good :( )
Anyway, here was my original response:
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You don't know me from Adam, but I can promise you there was no ill intent behind my words. I think my words were mostly just badly chosen and don't reflect who I am, how I think, or even how I play my Sims game.
As much as I don't like controversy, I do appreciate your input. There's a great deal of variety in my Sim neighborhood and not a single style of dress for anybody, certainly not according to skin color. Romance Sims do get stuck in sluttier outfits than the rest of the ‘hood, but that's about it.
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Apologies...and a bit of mortification. I'm not the sort who stirs the pot!
Jarsie:
Quote from: sanmonroe on 2005 September 27, 20:27:42
Anyone find it ironic that in a rant about a possible racist post the ranter asks about Orientals?
We are asian. Things can be oriental, people cannot.
My bad sanmonroe. I stand corrected on that point. But I still stand by the rest of my rant. It's stereotypical to decide what a successful person of any race should look like based on what they're wearing.
Jarsie:
Quote from: simmiecal on 2005 September 27, 20:31:05
When I first read the posting you quoted, I had a slight reaction similiar to yours. HOWEVER, in the rest of the post, Windy_Moon talked about this being a way to open a dialogue about race perceptions and how stereotypes are not always true. I think you did a disservice by focusing on only part of the post.
I am not a perfect person. While I strive to live my life in a color-blind, religious-blind, etc., tolerant way, I realize that there are times when I am racist and/or prejudicial without intending to be. What is important is that I strive to improve. I believe what is important in Windy_Moon's post is that he/she strives to pass along values of not judging people by their appearance....even if he/she sometimes falls short of that goal.
You can choose to attack someone or try to open a dialogue with them. I don't think people's beliefs and attitudes change when they are being attacked.
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Yet, she chose to use a stereotype to illustrate what she thought a successful Black man should wear, which is why I jumped on that post. The rest of it doesn't negate the fact that the poster also operates in a stereotypical fashion.
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