Morality & The Sims
nothingbutsims:
Wendy, I read your post and didn't think anything of it. What I was shocked by was the response you got by Momthing. People post all kinds of stuff on this forum. My personal opinion - if you don't like what you've just read, certainly don't attack the writer. If they have offended you in some way, there's a 99% chance they didn't even realize they did it ... and what does it matter anyway? This forum is about the Sims not about so-and-so posted something and it has offended me so I need to let them know how I feel. You're just wasting JM's bandwith.
simmiecal:
Quote from: Momthing on 2005 September 27, 21:11:17
Yet, she chose to use a stereotype to illustrate what she thought a successful Black man should wear, which is why I jumped on that post. The rest of it doesn't negate the fact that the poster also operates in a stereotypical fashion.
And the point I was trying to make is that sometimes people don't realize their own prejudice. You can point out an inconsistency and make the person think about their own beliefs without jumping on them. I think people are more open to honest examination of their beliefs and attitudes when they are not being jumped on for being racist...especially if they didn't intend offense.
Jarsie:
Quote from: nothingbutsims on 2005 September 27, 21:14:19
Wendy, I read your post and didn't think anything of it. What I was shocked by was the response you got by Momthing. People post all kinds of stuff on this forum. My personal opinion - if you don't like what you've just read, certainly don't attack the writer. If they have offended you in some way, there's a 99% chance they didn't even realize they did it ... and what does it matter anyway? This forum is about the Sims not about so-and-so posted something and it has offended me so I need to let them know how I feel. You're just wasting JM's bandwith.
So now, typing in an honest reaction to a point someone made is wasting JM's bandwidth?
Gee, pardon me, I didn't know I was on the politcally correct The Sims 2 BBS. Pardon me while I slink away with my tail tucked between my legs.
Jarsie:
Quote from: simmiecal on 2005 September 27, 21:15:15
And the point I was trying to make is that sometimes people don't realize their own prejudice. You can point out an inconsistency and make the person think about their own beliefs without jumping on them. I think people are more open to honest examination of their beliefs and attitudes when they are not being jumped on for being racist...especially if they didn't intend offense.
Okay. I concede that I overreacted. Would it make all of you feel more comfortable if I said nothing instead and let it ride?
Granted, I could have expressed my opinion in a milder tone...but it's done now, and I stand by what I said.
simmiecal:
Quote from: Momthing on 2005 September 27, 21:24:03
Quote from: simmiecal on 2005 September 27, 21:15:15
And the point I was trying to make is that sometimes people don't realize their own prejudice. You can point out an inconsistency and make the person think about their own beliefs without jumping on them. I think people are more open to honest examination of their beliefs and attitudes when they are not being jumped on for being racist...especially if they didn't intend offense.
Okay. I concede that I overreacted. Would it make all of you feel more comfortable if I said nothing instead and let it ride?
Granted, I could have expressed my opinion in a milder tone...but it's done now, and I stand by what I said.
I think tone is everything - and is what is so easily misunderstood on a message board. I think there is value is honest discussion of these issues and I believe more problems result when people don't speak up. But what I think is important is to also look at intent. I think from reading the original post, there was no intent to offend. Offering another perspective as to why the post may be offensive is important, especially if one does strive to be color blind.
There have been many phrases and expressions that I have used in the past because they were things I heard around me. It was not until someone - in a non-threatening way - brought to my attention how what I was saying was being perceived by others. Even though I meant no offense, I was still mortified when I learned how my comments were being "heard" by others. Had the person speaking to me "jumped" on me for being racist, I'm sure I just would have been defensive instead of learning another point of view.
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