How do you protect your right to piracy?
Nimrod:
Mr. Presidente, you are failing to keep things within the proper context here. The amount paid is nothing when you compare it to what you've saved. Chumpy lil' $50 buck games aren't all there is to be had. Just think, for a small fee you get quality products that range a very broad spectrum. TIVO is something that comes to mind. FUCK TIVO, as I've read elsewhere. I watch commercial free TV that's delivered speedily and on demand as I wish. Of course, I did buy a Western Digital media player, and nifty passport drive in matching color and two 32MB flash drives, so I could free the laptop from the entertainment center. Worth every cent, it was.
I understand your point and your purpose. My point, however, is that some things, tangible or otherwise, are worth the costs. If I spend $20 USD for a month of usenet service (which I do not because I get great service through ISP - I have paid for it in the past) and I obtain just one $50 game, how have I defeated the purpose? I paid for a service and obtained a game through that service. However you see this, the purpose wasn't defeated because I've saved $30 at the least, I've retained my anonymity and I wasn't bothered by P2P limitations and such. If anything, I'm paying for the convenience and the safety of privacy, excluding ISP logging. Then as the games, programs and media mount, that $20 is such a small fraction of the possible costs, that the cost itself is extremely justified. But then, maybe my logic buffers are fried and I'm seeing this all wrong.
Zazazu:
Let's ignore the whole debate over how much electronic data is worth for a moment, because I have a really hard time deciding myself when the price reaches over $20. The problem with your model is that it's a subscription. That means that if I don't use it one month, I'm still paying for it. I'm adamantly against paying for anything I don't use. I'm also adamantly against having to go through the hassle of cancelling something. Been there, done that, with AOL back in the 90s, with RealArcade, with Columbia House and BMG in the 80s/90s. Subscriptions have never been anything but a pain to deal with. The closest I will get to a subscription of any kind today is my utilities, and those are basically unavoidable if you can't make a phone from a tin can, a fork, and a little motor oil.
I'll happily pay more for a single item than I could if I had a subscription to some monthly service. Why? Because after my purchase, it's over. If Usenet was $2.99/month, that would be too much, because I know that eventually I'm going to want to cancel it and I'll be stuck on the phone with some pimpled teen, screaming at him because he won't cancel my damn account already as his bosses require him to go through some 5 minute cross-sell script.
Nimrod:
Quote from: Kyna on 2009 June 15, 01:57:06
Your earlier suggestion that the price is the reason most people ARR is missing a point that is very relevant in the Sims community.
Many of the simmers I know that ARR their games (myself included) did not start ARRing until BV & SecuROM. For this group of simmers, it's not about the cost of the game or not being able to afford the game, it is about refusing to pay for spyware that damages computers - including the computers of my adult daughter and at least one other person we know in real life.
As TS3 does not come with a version of SecuROM that installs itself onto your computer, my daughter and I have returned to buying the game. Yes, we ARRed the pre-release version, but on release day we headed down to the local computer store and each of us handed over our $100 AUD to purchase the game - that's about $80 USD each. We could each have paid for a couple of nights out at local restaurants for that.
SecuROM hasn't presented me with any issues beyond minute memory usage and process cycles, I haven't experienced any sort of interference with other programs and stuffs. Rootkits really piss me off though.
I think we're relatively on the same page, you refuse to install SecuROM while I refuse to pay for something that I can't return if I'm not satisfied, simply because I MAY have copied the product to use illegally.
Quote from: Zazazu on 2009 June 15, 02:50:23
Let's ignore the whole debate over how much electronic data is worth for a moment, because I have a really hard time deciding myself when the price reaches over $20. The problem with your model is that it's a subscription. That means that if I don't use it one month, I'm still paying for it. I'm adamantly against paying for anything I don't use. I'm also adamantly against having to go through the hassle of cancelling something. Been there, done that, with AOL back in the 90s, with RealArcade, with Columbia House and BMG in the 80s/90s. Subscriptions have never been anything but a pain to deal with. The closest I will get to a subscription of any kind today is my utilities, and those are basically unavoidable if you can't make a phone from a tin can, a fork, and a little motor oil.
I'll happily pay more for a single item than I could if I had a subscription to some monthly service. Why? Because after my purchase, it's over. If Usenet was $2.99/month, that would be too much, because I know that eventually I'm going to want to cancel it and I'll be stuck on the phone with some pimpled teen, screaming at him because he won't cancel my damn account already as his bosses require him to go through some 5 minute cross-sell script.
I did stray from the original model of either, or. Check it out, http://usenet-news.net/index1.php?url=get you can buy blocks that have no expiration date. What is 100 gigabytes of data worth? I'd say $23 is an acceptable amount, considering 100GB is a hugh amount of data!
Rhayden:
Quote from: Nimrod on 2009 June 15, 02:16:52
Mr. Presidente, you are failing to keep things within the proper context here. The amount paid is nothing when you compare it to what you've saved. Chumpy lil' $50 buck games aren't all there is to be had. Just think, for a small fee you get quality products that range a very broad spectrum. TIVO is something that comes to mind. FUCK TIVO, as I've read elsewhere. I watch commercial free TV that's delivered speedily and on demand as I wish. Of course, I did buy a Western Digital media player, and nifty passport drive in matching color and two 32MB flash drives, so I could free the laptop from the entertainment center. Worth every cent, it was.
I understand your point and your purpose. My point, however, is that some things, tangible or otherwise, are worth the costs. If I spend $20 USD for a month of usenet service (which I do not because I get great service through ISP - I have paid for it in the past) and I obtain just one $50 game, how have I defeated the purpose? I paid for a service and obtained a game through that service. However you see this, the purpose wasn't defeated because I've saved $30 at the least, I've retained my anonymity and I wasn't bothered by P2P limitations and such. If anything, I'm paying for the convenience and the safety of privacy, excluding ISP logging. Then as the games, programs and media mount, that $20 is such a small fraction of the possible costs, that the cost itself is extremely justified. But then, maybe my logic buffers are fried and I'm seeing this all wrong.
Your name is quite fitting.
PIRATE CAT DOES NOT PAY FOR HIS DOWNLOADS
Nimrod:
You wasscally wabbit you. Oh well, fuck it. Get yourselves a case built against you, see if I care.
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