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HomeschooledByTards:
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 11, 16:18:58
Oh, the forcing of the smart kid to "tutor" its bully. I refused to go to school for an entire week after my teacher tried that one on me in Grade 6. MiniB awesomely resists this by being really unhelpful. She got a bad mark in leadership because she stuck her fingers in her ears during reading time and refused to help the less able readers.
Awesome. I love MiniB.
teebs:
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 11, 16:02:58
Yeah, asking students to question the assumptions they have grown up with is exactly tantamount to "indoctrination". Screw you, you anti-intellectual blue-collar elitist.
Yes, I truly believe that reading is witchcraft and teachers should all be slowly spit-roasted over a fire produced by burning a nice blend of hickory and maple woods. I also believe everyone should be required to drive pickups and where bib overalls and the only things that need be taught in school are the Holy Bible and yer basic cypherin'.
Then again, it's possible that I believe that not every professor is best suited to ask their students to question their assumptions. Ultimately, since half the population (according to the bell curve anyway, I think it's more like ninety to ninety-nine percent) is stupid to varying degrees, it is fairly certain that at least one or two college professors are morons who shouldn't be teaching finger painting, much less attempting to affect the social consciousness of young people. So, eat me.
To the professor: Many of the people entering university are not young adults. Children are allowed to be less and less responsible, resulting in retarded maturation. I don't hold professors responsible for normal, healthy behavior or children questioning their childhood beliefs or good old rebellion against the system. I try to refrain from hypocrisy. Being tattooed myself, I find some humor in the parental discomfort caused by such an innocuous act of rebellion.
I am all for questioning, well, everything. Questioning and challenging the status quo is the responsibility of any intelligent person. First however, the person must learn such things as independent and active thinking. Since the current trend, at least in the states, is to teach children not to bother thinking, I believe they may not be prepared for a few of the more politically oriented, less intellectually savvy professors who actually believe that because they managed to grind out a dissertation at some lousy jerkwater state school, they are better able to determine what is best for everyone.
This isn't to say I believe that of all professors. In fact, I don't believe it to be the case with the majority, based on my own experience. I was nearly thirty before I entered university, and I believe I value the experience far more because of my age. I built lasting relationships based on mutual respect with a number of my professors. I place a high value on any strong mind, and I have great respect for the true teacher; not the ones who teach because they cannot do, but the ones who teach because they recognize that knowledge is the only thing of real, lasting value.
Blue-collar elitist.... still chuckling about that...
rohina:
So, the problem of immature speshul snowflakes who are unprepared for college is to be shouldered entirely by the professors? Despite what you want to argue about their relative maturity, the fact is that college students, in the VAST majority, are legally considered to be adults. Professors are bound by legislation like FOIP or FOIA (depending on the country), which means they have to treat students as adults and their relationship with students is not like that of a school teacher and a pupil.
Professors are there to teach, not to hand-hold and offer pastoral care. Even if I care deeply about a student (okay, stop laughing all you guys who know how mean I am), it's not appropriate for me to leap in and hand hold. My job is to present the material, to challenge students to think about it and to get them to meet specific learning and technical standards.
Your idea that stupid jerks who just barely manage to grind out a PhD (omg I can hardly type that without laughing) can get jobs in the current climate is absolutely hilarious.
Let me guess, all those professors with whom you built strong relationships gave you the grades you thought you deserved, but the ones who are stupid, and can only teach because they can't do, those ones were particularly thick-headed with regard to recognizing your brilliance.
timelycorruption:
Quote from: teebs on 2009 June 11, 18:11:39
Many of the people entering university are not young adults.
What are they?
awrevell:
Quote from: timelycorruption on 2009 June 11, 20:08:54
Quote from: teebs on 2009 June 11, 18:11:39
Many of the people entering university are not young adults.
What are they?
They are older men and women who for some reason need to improve their education.
I was 38 and had recently suffered a physical disability when I applied to university. Prior to being disabled I enjoyed highly physical jobs; however that changed when a series of heart attacks put me on permanent light duty. Unable to work the types of jobs I was trained for, and unwilling to live on the pittance paid by disability, I had to find a new way to work for a living. I am now 40 and am currently working towards my degree in Game and Simulation Programming; hopefully I will learn from the mistakes of companies like EA and not be stupid when I start writing code for games.
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