Important notice from the GRAMMAR POLICE. Plz read. This means you.
teebs:
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 11, 18:57:57
So, the problem of immature speshul snowflakes who are unprepared for college is to be shouldered entirely by the professors?
This is a ridiculous question and hardly worthy of a response. I think it should be obvious from my previous posts that I believe the rearing of children is the responsibility of the parent(s). The root of the entire problem is that parents are more concerned with their own wants and needs, and how supposedly " happy" their children are than to recognize that their main role is not to make sure their children are happy, but to ensure that they mature into quality human beings, i.e. free-thinking individuals with a bit of consideration for and politeness toward others thrown in.
The role of the professor is to educate within their field of expertise. Period.
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 11, 18:57:57
Despite what you want to argue about their relative maturity, the fact is that college students, in the VAST majority, are legally considered to be adults. Professors are bound by legislation like FOIP or FOIA (depending on the country), which means they have to treat students as adults and their relationship with students is not like that of a school teacher and a pupil.
Thank you for pointing out the completely obvious. Wow... just wow.
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 11, 18:57:57
Professors are there to teach, not to hand-hold and offer pastoral care. Even if I care deeply about a student (okay, stop laughing all you guys who know how mean I am), it's not appropriate for me to leap in and hand hold. My job is to present the material, to challenge students to think about it and to get them to meet specific learning and technical standards.
Did you actually read anything I previously wrote?
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 11, 18:57:57
Your idea that stupid jerks who just barely manage to grind out a PhD (omg I can hardly type that without laughing) can get jobs in the current climate is absolutely hilarious.
First, if you actually believe that there aren't fucktards out there that manage to attain a PhD, you're as pig-ignorant as they are. Second, do you honestly think that every school produces the same quality doctorate, or that all of them care about said quality? Silly.
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 11, 18:57:57
Let me guess, all those professors with whom you built strong relationships gave you the grades you thought you deserved, but the ones who are stupid, and can only teach because they can't do, those ones were particularly thick-headed with regard to recognizing your brilliance.
O' Great Karnak, try again. Everyone recognizes my brilliance. The lowest grade I ever received on anything was ninety-two percent. In fact, that seems to be my magic, non-effort-making test score. My IQ is a documented 162, I was awarded a lifetime membership to the local MENSA chapter, I make an uber-delicious Jameson-based barbecue sauce, and write a mean haiku.
You cannot bait me
I rule, you drool, sugarlips...
but you keep trying
Quote from: timelycorruption on 2009 June 11, 20:08:54
What are they?
The Children of the Damned.
kewian:
You are still a sheep and a noob. Therefore, you lose.
teebs:
Quote from: kewian on 2009 June 11, 21:06:08
You are still a sheep and a noob. Therefore, you lose.
Oooooh, your dazzling retort stings. It's like a paper cut, even...
rohina:
teebs, if your IQ is 162 that puts you in the upper third of MATYzens. Just. And that's only because we have all the barely literate turds in the bottom third to even us out. Mensa membership doesn't even get you considered for a post in the Grammar Police, so good try waving your academic dick, but it is just a little tiddler.
I did read what you wrote, and for me it sounded just like every other undergrad who was doing okay and so assumed he or she knew everything there was to know about academia and being a prof.
I am quite sure there are a few crackpots, cheaters, users and sluts (who sleep with their profs) getting PhDs, but the proportion of actual morons doing so is going to be fairly small. Why? Because actual morons would have trouble writing a dissertation that gets passed by outside examiners. You conveniently glossed over my main point, though, which was that a moron with a PhD, even assuming such an animal exists, is highly unlikely to get a job in the current climate. Because actual bright competent people can't even manage that, a lot of the time. You only have to read the Chronicle of Higher Education or RYS for a couple days to figure that out.
You say "the role of the professor is to educate within their [sic] field of expertise. Period." Which statement you make apparently in an effort to go "case closed, so there," but in order TO educate within my field of expertise, I have to teach a bunch of skills like critical thinking, and analysis. If I don't teach students what to do with the material, how can I teach the material? If I don't give my students an understanding of feminism, how can they read Virginia Woolf? If I don't help them come to grips with modernism and colonialism, how can they read Heart of Darkness?
It's the same in nearly every discipline. There are theories and ideas underlying areas of study that may not be apparent to the average undergrad, and it is the professor's job to at least introduce students to these ideas. Good profs will challenge students' assumptions and make them think rather than spoonfeeding the material needed for the exam.
Kyna:
Quote from: teebs on 2009 June 11, 21:02:48
The role of the professor is to educate within their field of expertise. Period.
That is a very limiting view of the role of the professor.
I live in a city where there are 3 universities. The city itself is quite small, so the universities compete quite aggressively each year to attract the interest of students and their parents. All three of the universities run very similar advertising campaigns - they all advertise that they teach critical thinking and that their graduates are expert problem solvers with employable, transferable skills.
Professors aren't just teaching the subject matter (which is their field of expertise), they're also teaching how to analyse the material, as employers are far more interested in whether a graduate has analytical skills than on whether the graduate is an expert in a very narrow field, such as a thesis on outliers in data mining.
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