TS3 L&P
Tingeling:
New trailer posted by 1UP:
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/23079
Again, no gameplay. It's just another video to show off the "snazzy" customisation you can do to your sims and their houses. I found it to be nauseating and dull.
kiki:
Apologies if this is a re-hash already addressed in the thread, but isn't that the same as how it was for TS1? Cinematics only, no actual game play until the game was fully released?
zherok:
Quote from: Tingeling on 2008 December 19, 02:30:42
New trailer posted by 1UP:
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/23079
Again, no gameplay. It's just another video to show off the "snazzy" customisation you can do to your sims and their houses. I found it to be nauseating and dull.
For some reason the default link wouldn't work and I had to watch it in super high definition. Anyway...
I like the huge range of sliders for creating sims. I do think that's a great option, given that everyone in the original game had identical bodies, and more delicate facial adjustments required editing outside the game in Milkshape. As far as pure "content" goes yeah, that's a waste. I like the ability to paint cars, since bringing that closer to the user is more freedom, although every example they showed was shit. I'm hopeful that their "HAY GUYZ I JUST GOT PHOTOSHOP" wallpapers are a sign you aren't held back in the ability to create them, because most of the examples were atrocious.
Still, no gameplay is ugh. It's a game, not a platform for people who make crappy machinima.
Kyna:
Quote from: zherok on 2008 December 19, 00:49:50
I don't think it'd be practical. EA seems to love micro transactions and selling the same stuff to you over and over again, but I think charging for the tools would be a move even they could recognize as poor. Charging for tools you previously gave away is bound to cause backlash, and reduce sales. Additionally it caps creation to some degree. You inhibit the community, which is for the most part producing completely free content for your game, for an expansion's worth of profit? Lastly, the Sims 2 and Spore are the most pirated games on the planet right now. You release an expansion that's pure tools, and you've just created the world's most pirated expansion without even trying.
Like Spore's Creature Creator? EA charged for full access to that. In Sims terms this was like charging for full access to Body Shop. They tested the water with Spore's Creature Creator, to see if people would pay for tools (and people did). Of course they're going to go further with charging for tools for Sims 3. Sims players have proven we will buy anything with the sims name on it - even overpriced crappy store stuff.
From what I've heard they want to inhibit the community when it comes to creating content, and they fail to understand why this will be a VBT. I've heard rumours that EA have done a deal with TSR to be a preferred partner site for TSR. The rumour I've heard is that we will have to go to TSR (or other partner sites) to purchase any CC. If this rumour is true, then it's a clear sign that EA don't understand that the success of the Sims franchise has been due in part to the wide availability of free CC & hacks.
zherok:
The creature creator is the thing they released before the game, right? I think I tried the trial but it wouldn't run on my shitty 4200 Geforce 4. I've never played Spore so haven't really paid it much attention after release. To my understanding though the creature creator is included entirely with the game, yes? I think that's closer to EA knowing people will buy stupid preorder shit no matter what.
I can think of a worse example: Fable II had a preorder edition, which cost an additional $10. I think it netted you an early version of the casino games in the game itself. They're all heavy on luck and short on strategy. One is essentially slots. In addition to that, it included a code to unlock some small content in game. A weapon and some clothing located in a chest early on, and a dungeon later in the game. Except this code wasn't included in a lot of preorders. So what they inevitably had to do was set up an online request form, which only required you had a Windows Live account (and if you've ever set up Live! for either XBox, you've already got that). So I got the bulk of the limited edition content, because all it did was unlock content already present on EVERY SINGLE COPY of Fable II.
Live! in general has quite a few games where downloadable content that costs money is clearly just unlocking content you already have but has been purposefully hidden in order to charge you for it. EA has a somewhat notorious example with The Godfather. The 360 version removed in-game cheats that other versions contained, and offered them as pay for downloadable content. And then there's examples of them offering "weapons" in multiplayer games, effectively subsiding advantages in competitive first person shooters.
Still, if the extent of the matter is they charge for bodyshop 3 early, well, it's not a dealbreaker for me. I'd just arr it or pass it by. I don't think the average user is going to be creating groundbreaking content before the game is out. I'm sure most people don't have all that much stuff from 2004 in their download folder still anyway.
edit: I checked the discussion page of the wikipedia entry on the Sims 3, and found this tiny gameplay video. It's not actually that short, but the resolution is hard to make things out. So far it looks like the Sims 2 with slightly better models and floors that show regardless of what floor the camera is located on.
If you've got any solid links to those rumors Kyna I wouldn't mind reading them. I don't want to sound like I'm apologizing for EA or anything, but I am hopeful the game will turn out well. So far from what I have seen, which is very little, it does look great, although Spore did too, and I don't think anyone had that live up to their expectations. Either way it will without a doubt eat ram for breakfast, and dumb decisions will obviously be omni-present. I'm kinda leery about the focus on filming the thing. I don't play the game to upload shit to youtube, I just wanna play a game.
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