Does this make sense?
Sagana:
I don't "do" art (professionally) - I'm a digital production manager, and you can critique all you want, but it's useless if you can't get it out the door.
You could - but you won't. It's too much work and you don't have the interest. That's fine and understandable and all. The things you do have interest in and make are cool too and I appreciate that. I don't make much of anything and nothing that I share - work is enough for me without doing it at home too - I appreciate everything people share with me.
Someone that will, did and they're useful and fun. I appreciate that a lot - I use them, and however much they could be made better, it helps me not at all, because they aren't available. Discouraging someone from doing them at all won't make the game more fun for me. If you could convince her (or someone else) to make them better, that would be - maybe they'd get made and be better - but I don't see how this is accomplishing that, nor likely to be.
What's going too far is to decide that everything nice someone did is worthless because noone likes them personally anymore.
veilchen:
I remember that Motoki. You started warning people about the polygon count way back when at MTS2. Many jumped on you for that, denying that it was true, someone even said you made that up to impress people. I believed you though, because what you said made sense, it was a highly logical thought process. I went into my downloads and took much of the stuff out that you said had the potential of being high poly, and guess what? My game ran far smoother, almost instantly.
Now everyone (except a few) include a face count into their creation description, and for that I am grateful.
Baratron, I know what you mean, but it is absolutely useless to force someone to get help, no matter what the problem is. If the person does not acknowledge that a problem exists, no one can help. I know that denial is very often a part of the symptoms, but just as you can't force a person with a substance abuse disorder to get clean, you can't force a person with mind disturbance to seek help.
I've seen it time and time again where a person is forced by court order, or family pressure, to undergo treatment, such as anger-management for instance, and the person does not feel that there is anything wrong with them. They go through the motions, and often the symptoms get worse. Even friends and family usually fail to convince the ill person that it is imparative that they seek aid, most of the time that only results in the person digging in their heels so to speak, and accuse everyone of conspiracy. It is a very sad fact, and I applaud everyone who has the resolve to acknowledge that they need help and then go and seek it. But unless it is done completely voluntary, it will be useless to even try and convince the person who is ill.
Illness, no matter of what origin is not an excuse to treat others as if they were practically worthless though. Treading on eggshells is just as useless as trying to convince someone in denial that they have a mental disturbance.
Motoki:
Quote from: sagana on 2005 November 11, 01:26:53
Discouraging someone from doing them at all won't make the game more fun for me. If you could convince her (or someone else) to make them better, that would be - maybe they'd get made and be better -
First off, I didn't tell her not to make anything. As if she would listen to me if I did!
Second, I actually DID make an attempt to make everyone aware of this issue. I think it worked to some degree because I stirred up enough noise about it that the counts got added in SimPE and major sites like TSR are posting their counts now.
What Rennie did on the other hand was to counter the awareness I was trying to raise with FALSE information that the polygon counts did not matter at all. As per her usual style, she made what more or less equated to a decree that this was so. Yet anyone who knows a damn about 3D modeling including Maxis says otherwise. But what do they know, they only made the game. ::)
As I think this thread illustrates quite well, reasoning with Rennie is somewhat of a lost cause.
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but I don't see how this is accomplishing that, nor likely to be.
Well you're opinion that my expressing my opinion is accomplishing nothing is duly noted. And thrown the fuck out because I don't really give a shit and can say what the fuck I want.
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What's going too far is to decide that everything nice someone did is worthless because noone likes them personally anymore.
Nice and worthless are in the eye of the beholder. I never said it was worthless. I said I thought it could have been done better. Even if I did say it was worthless, guess what? It's a fucking opinion. It's just what *I* think. DUH! It's not going too far to express an opinion, unless of course you are trying to do it at Variousimmers.
Sagana:
Motoki, I didn't quote you, nor address you, in the original post because I wasn't referring to you alone, but about the general tone of the posts above - though I can certainly see how you might have thought I meant you specifically, as I referred to wishing someone would make some more if it's that easy (referred to your post). Sorry for being confusing - I still didn't mean just you.
I know you attempted to make everyone aware of the polygon issue. I saw the original post. I deleted a bunch of high poly stuff myself (even beds - no sense having them, even just one, if I can't place them without blowing my game up. The mobiles don't blow my game up. Neither does the pirate ship - if you discount every adult playing on it all the time.) My game ran better for your help - still runs better. Thanks. I believe you improved meshing and the game in general.
I also saw the silly argument over the polygon stuff. I don't have an account at VS - never have, so I didn't have one to delete. I've downloaded something from there now and then. I read a thread or two about something I downloaded (to see if it's updated or if I have problems with it), but I've never socialized there. I saw a number of the original ...debates (at MTS2 - I've been hanging out there quite awhile) including Rennie's dramatic exit (twice) and well... held my distance...
Of course you can have and express any opinion you want. So I can I ;) What I'm posting is *my* opinion and I've the same right to have it, and to post it (thus far, anyways - I haven't been stuck in RL or whatever yet).
I think we aren't communicating very well. I've said my piece and have no wish to argue. I'm trying to think of a way to say I'll let it go without it sounding like I'm telling you not to respond, which isn't what I mean... just that unless I've something differenter or better way of saying it to add, I'll try and hush and not beat a dead horse.
Motoki:
Well you're right, I did take it as being aimed at me and if it was more general then I can accept that. I just felt singled out. :P
To be honest, I don't even know why I got so pissed off about it, I just did. Male PMS maybe (for the 100th time I'm not an old lady y'all :P)
Anyhow sorry to have bitten your head off. :-[ Yes we are free to have an opinion that the other person's opinion is a waste of time. :P
Bleh, I hate getting all nice and sappy after I get all riled up. LOL
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