This amused me
Zazazu:
Quote from: talysman on 2008 May 15, 06:05:24
Quote from: Zazazu on 2008 May 15, 03:15:56
Don't forget about sim color preferences. Did you know that sims prefer red?
:-\
... except that THAT argument was with someone who was making an extreme, unsupported statement and not doing a good job of offering any proof.
Now, it's always possible that the Cheat isn't an art object and doesn't have the View interaction... so I popped the Cheat into SimPE just now and looked at the TTAB. Because, you know, I might be wrong.
Well, what do you know. There's a View function in the TTAB. And the semi-global file is FlamingoGlobals.
My comment was in response to Kazzandra's
Quote from: Kazzandra on 2008 May 15, 02:32:45
MATY-- where funny screenshots turn into debates about "extra special art objects!"
"Screenshots" + "extra special" = Gali's failure to recognize the merits of the scientific method to me. The cheat is cloned from a decorative object and so, of course, has the view function. I've looked at it in SimPE before because I was contemplating recoloring it.
talysman:
Quote from: Lord Darcy on 2008 May 15, 12:57:11
Quote from: talysman on 2008 May 15, 06:05:24
Now, it's always possible that the Cheat isn't an art object and doesn't have the View interaction... so I popped the Cheat into SimPE just now and looked at the TTAB. Because, you know, I might be wrong.
Well, what do you know. There's a View function in the TTAB. And the semi-global file is FlamingoGlobals.
Flamingo isn't the only object that uses FlamingoGlobals. All kickable sculptures like Chicken or Gnome use FlamingoGlobals as well.
Right. My point was, it's an art object. Whether it's cloned from the gnome or from the flamingo, it has the standard art object actions.
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Quote from: talysman on 2008 May 14, 18:49:53
No matter which object it was cloned from, sims can talk while viewing an art object, so even if the "Talk to" action itself isn't available as an autonomous action, there's still another route to get to the observed behavior.
It's not the behaviour that can be observed in View interaction, it's hidden Talk interaction that's only available for Gnomes.
ETA: Checked in-game to be sure. For very playful Sims, "Play" interaction shows up. But for very outgoing Sims, "Talk" does not, it's only available as an autonomous interaction. It seems that Sims won't autonomously talk to gnomes unless they're alone.
I don't know which interaction it is, because he's claiming it's some new unprecedented behavior. The screenshot shows the sim with a speech balloon with the image of the flamingo; that happens a lot with View. On the other hand, the sim isn't standing, which is unusual for View, which suggests Talk ... but you've just researched it and found out Talk doesn't appear autonomously unless they're alone, and this sim isn't alone. So either a glitch made the game call View from a crouching position, or a glitch made the game call Talk when not alone.
Either way, it's a function that's already in the game. Not magical. Just occuring under unusual circumstances.
jsalemi:
Quote from: talysman on 2008 May 15, 18:32:11
I don't know which interaction it is, because he's claiming it's some new unprecedented behavior. The screenshot shows the sim with a speech balloon with the image of the flamingo; that happens a lot with View. On the other hand, the sim isn't standing, which is unusual for View, which suggests Talk ... but you've just researched it and found out Talk doesn't appear autonomously unless they're alone, and this sim isn't alone. So either a glitch made the game call View from a crouching position, or a glitch made the game call Talk when not alone.
Either way, it's a function that's already in the game. Not magical. Just occuring under unusual circumstances.
Ok, I'll say this slowly, in a nice numbered list, at the risk of boring other readers to tears since I'm mostly repeating myself:
1) The sim lives alone.
2) The maid just arrived, and the other sim in the picture is a walk-by who was not acknowledged, as the sim was busy talking to the cheat.
3) You're assuming the interaction just started; it had actually been going on a while, when I decided it would be neat to get a picture (I think I took more than one, actually -- her talking about the flamingo to the cheat just seemed to be the perfect one to post). The other two sims in the picture arrived a good 20+ sim-minutes after the interaction started.
4) There was no glitch.
5) The interaction was autonomous. It was the first thing she did after getting out of the shower.
6) The sim's action icon said "Talk".
7) See # 4.
8 ) I never said it was "magical" or not there in the game code somewhere, or some mysterious super-secret unprecedented behavior that's triggered by the phase of the moon. If you read the first message of the thread, all I said was that "In all the years I've been playing TS2, this is the first time I've seen a sim spontaneously talk to an inanimate object".
9) So, in simple English, "I've just never seen it before."
10)The only claim I made that was in error in this thread was that the Cheat had a "Talk" menu option -- I have since checked, and it doesn't, as LD confirmed.
11) So reread the thread, stop putting words in my mouth, or saying I made claims I didn't, and arguing with me about them.
12) Oh, and see #4.
What that simple enough for you, you fucking moron?
jolrei:
Quote from: jsalemi on 2008 May 15, 18:55:45
Ok, I'll say this slowly, in a nice numbered list, at the risk of boring other readers to tears since I'm mostly repeating myself...
Trans: All I wanted to do was share something I found amusing. I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
talysman:
In the future, then, if you don't want people to think you aren't suggesting something magical, I would suggest that you not start talking about how your sim's second Popularity aspiration must have kicked in. It didn't. It's an interaction that was always part of the object, and it advertised itself at the right moment. You should also probably not flip out when people suggest that something may actually be part of the game already, or argue that the Cheat can't be an art object, because it's not cloned from a flamingo. What kind of retarded argument is that?
Maybe I'm too mean for MATY, but if someone says something kind of ditzy, I'm going to assume they're a ditz, especially if they come back with irrational counterarguments. Sorry I hurt your feelings, Joe.
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