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Seasons Bookcase question
« on: 2007 April 04, 15:56:03 »
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  Is it just me or is anyone else finding issues with this bookcase?  My sims will drop given Queues if they were at all autonomously about to read/write in diary using said bookcase.  I also find an order given imediately after are also being dropped and need to be given 2-3 times before taking.  I do love the idea of super fast skilling but the a.d.d affect and apparent addictiveness of stupidly writing that they have yet to accomplish anything truely awesome in theire diary's has lead to a death or two.  Which of course has solved nothing but, ....

  I digress, and ask once again is it just me and my game that is fracked or is it everyone has to put up with this behavior?
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #1 on: 2007 April 04, 16:21:47 »
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Do you only have the Education bookcase on the lots in question, or do you have a secondary vanilla one? My sims always go to the vanilla one to write about the teddy bears they never had and that guy they saw 16 years ago, didn't talk to, but apparently are obsessed with.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #2 on: 2007 April 04, 16:49:29 »
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my sims are dropping Queues anyway, right and left, no matter what their action is supposed to be. So it may just be seasons you are experianceing and something you can't do anything about if you play freewill and don't use somekind of micro manager.
I think it may have something to do with how sims are now supposed to be more inclined to do certain activities because of what the weather is or go cool themsleves off or some such...they may have over tweaked it and its now giving the rest of us a headache from having to constantly move between sims to make sure they realy are doing what they're supposed to. They dump activities they should be quite happy to do for as long as they're mood stays up. I even tested this by keeping needs up, and they dump anyway, and then go do something that they realy don't need right now, cooking when they're only half empty and their bladder is in desperation that sortathing
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #3 on: 2007 April 04, 16:54:18 »
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On most lots I now only have the education one as it is supposedly 5x faster skill building in a room with 4 journalism rewards.  I have found this behavior though also happens with no journalism rewards too, and Dark Vu a uni student missed his Uni exam in favor of picking up a book.  The idiot was to inherit the family fortune.  I think though his sister will be end up with it and he will be finding himself with an unfortunate accident.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #4 on: 2007 April 04, 17:11:56 »
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The extra-skill-studying from the Edumacation bookcase has a bug in it which causes obnoxious ADHD effects when using it. The Skillinator incorporates a workaround for this.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #5 on: 2007 April 04, 20:56:44 »
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The education bookcase is so frighteningly powerful it's almost no fun anymore.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #6 on: 2007 April 04, 23:45:15 »
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The education bookcase is so frighteningly powerful it's almost no fun anymore.

I agree, it is overpowered.  I was wondering if I should find a modder who does requests and request a less powerful version.  It's 5 times as fast as ordinary skilling, making it more powerful than every other career reward, with the exception of a smartmilked kid training on the military reward with an instructor (if I understood the thread in the warroom correctly).

I'd like to see it changed so that it is not as fast as being instructed on other career rewards.  Right now, most of the other career rewards are useless dust-collectors if there's an education bookcase on the lot.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #7 on: 2007 April 05, 04:19:06 »
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Just useful for legacy points if you're still trying to keep your attention on that thing like I am. I'm actually not letting any of my sims go Edumacation unless they have that LTW and then only getting the bookshelf after they've maxxed the career.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #8 on: 2007 April 05, 05:32:18 »
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  I agree it's overpowered.  A smart-milked brat on the edumacation bookcase along with several journalism career rewards in the room and you have a child who is happy, refreshed and fully versed in the 7 basic skills before the bus shows up the next morning.  The range of the journalism career reward along with it's stackability on the affects has nuked out any need for caffeination or maxis plantlife.

  The skillinator helps to keep them actually studying but not from the incessant need to read a book or write in theire diary's.  Forcing you to be even more heavy handed with the macrotastics or completely removing the object. 
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #9 on: 2007 April 05, 08:30:27 »
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Just useful for legacy points if you're still trying to keep your attention on that thing like I am. I'm actually not letting any of my sims go Edumacation unless they have that LTW and then only getting the bookshelf after they've maxxed the career.

In my current Legacy, the founder's spouse had the Education LTW.  I'm considering sticking it in someone's inventory, even if just during autumn.  Autumn + smart milk + education bookcase is way too much.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #10 on: 2007 April 05, 08:34:39 »
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #11 on: 2007 April 06, 20:24:33 »
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In my current Legacy, the founder's spouse had the Education LTW.  I'm considering sticking it in someone's inventory, even if just during autumn.  Autumn + smart milk + education bookcase is way too much.

How in the world do you have the toddlers use the bookcase....... Grin
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« Reply #12 on: 2007 April 06, 20:42:01 »
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How in the world do you have the toddlers use the bookcase....... Grin
The smart milk attribute often "sticks", so the effect can persist until the Sim reaches University. It gets removed with errors and patch installs, but you can use the Lot Debugger to restore the attribute.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #13 on: 2007 April 07, 06:50:09 »
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Plus, if you keep feeding the todler smartmilk, say 2 or 3 reels of it, then the todler will not only be smart, but be supersmart. And that can stick as well. 
A regular sim has an iq of 100.
A nuked todler has an iq of 300.
A supernuked todler can have an IQ of over 500...

Combine with the seasons bookcase, and hey presto, you got all 7 skills maxed before your even transitioning to a teen...
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #14 on: 2007 April 07, 07:49:47 »
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Plus, if you keep feeding the todler smartmilk, say 2 or 3 reels of it, then the todler will not only be smart, but be supersmart. And that can stick as well. 
A regular sim has an iq of 100.
A nuked todler has an iq of 300.
A supernuked todler can have an IQ of over 500...

Combine with the seasons bookcase, and hey presto, you got all 7 skills maxed before your even transitioning to a teen...

Or even before their first day of school, if they transition to child on a Friday or Saturday night.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #15 on: 2007 April 07, 08:17:13 »
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I had a child who maxed all skills well within 48 hours of growing into a child, and this is turning into a rule rather than an exception.
Pescado's baby controller usually leaves them with an IQ a little above 500.  They max out Logic, Charisma and sometimes Creativity, wile still toddlers.  If they have time to spare I let them play with the baby mirror from MTS2 (it gives body skill, and seems a bit illogical to me, so I only let them have it if they've maxed everything else; then they deserve it).  I timed a child skillinating cooking; she grew up at six, walked calmly to the bookcase and started reading, and maxed the skill by ten o'clock.
If everything fits; they grow into a child on a Friday, right after an afternoon nap so they're well rested, it shouldn't take more than a day to max all skills.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #16 on: 2007 April 07, 17:23:14 »
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Ahhh....it was a slight joke, but some of that stuff I didn't know. Super smart.......huhh.

Can someone piont me in the right direction for learning how to debug?? I've read about it, but never played around with it.
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #17 on: 2007 April 07, 21:51:30 »
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do a search on boolprop testingcheatsenabled true
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Re: Seasons Bookcase question
« Reply #18 on: 2007 April 09, 21:55:33 »
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Debug mode is boolprop testingcheatsenabled true.  As a general warning, read up on it before using it.

The lot debugger is down in the firing range.  I have a hard time understanding how one can be a MATY-ite without being familiar with it, but that's the one that can make sims smart or stupid.
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