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« on: 2005 September 24, 22:22:12 »
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Nice to have found this oasis of information; a refreshing contrast to the inanity of the Sims BBS.

Against my better judgment I purchased Nightlife; thought I'd wait for the Uni patch first, but my curiosity got the better of me. 

Am running a Dell Dimension 8400 with 1GB Ram, Pentium 4 processor (3.2GHz), 80 GB HD (half empty) 128MB ATI Radeon PCI Express X300SE video card, and Windoze XP Home Edition.   No hacks, no downloaded custom content. HD is defragged and the firewall, a.v. software, and backround tasks are turned off during my attempts to install.

That said, Nightlife won't install.  Disk #1 runs fine, then when I remove the first disk and insert disk #2 in the CD/DVD-ROM drive, nothing happens.  The last file shown on the installation window is TsData/control/control.dat   At 51% of the install, it stops.  Have waited for as long as 30 minutes for it to do something before cancelling the installation.

Since TS2 and Uni EP installed and run just fine, I exchanged the disks thinking they were defective.  Same issue with the second set.  Cleaned the disks to make sure they were spotless.  No luck.

Am I being impatient?  Does it take several hours for this EP to install?  Or do I have lousy luck and got another set of defective disks?

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« Reply #1 on: 2005 September 24, 22:28:48 »
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I'm going to lean towards "lousy luck". But have you tried the usual percussive maintenance procedures first?
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« Reply #2 on: 2005 September 24, 22:36:11 »
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Okay, I'll bite:  what's "percussive maintenance"?  My first thought was using the CDs as finger cymbals but they'd clunk.
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« Reply #3 on: 2005 September 24, 22:38:08 »
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Whacking the computer a good one is percussive maintenance. *g* I'd suggest making sure that the lens of the CD drive is clean as well, although you'd have to google to find out how to do it properly. The drive could also be crapping out, or it may be that that drive has problems with this game, for no particular reason. If there is any way you can attach an external CD drive to try...
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« Reply #4 on: 2005 September 24, 22:40:53 »
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... and the firewall, a.v. software, and backround tasks are turned off during my attempts to install.

You probably have a virus/worm/trojan. In fact, you can be 99% certain that this is your problem. A little advice:

Never turn off your firewall. In fact, unplug your modem, just to be certain that you cannot be hacked again.
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« Reply #5 on: 2005 September 24, 22:54:57 »
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No virvus, no worms, no trojans.  Nuttin, honey.  My ZoneAlarm Pro and a.v. software are  never off, except when I'm installing something.  I have dialup and am not connected when installing software.

Have two CD-DVD-ROM drives - same result with each one. Cleaned them after I returned the first defective set.  Ran diagnostics on both CD-DVD drives and both passed with flying colors and can install other software with no problems.

Maybe I'll mail the second defective set to EA and have them replace it, rather than going back to Wally-World.

Have 18 YAs in Uni, so I can pass the time by getting them graduated.  Boooring....

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« Reply #6 on: 2005 September 24, 23:07:10 »
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If that's not the problem, then you probably are being impatient. The game does access and update every character and lot file you have at one point in the installation (and I know because I used Process Explorer to monitor it).

PS: If that's not the problem, then it could be you need to do a surface rescan of your hard drive (that will likely take a few hours and require a couple reboots).
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« Reply #7 on: 2005 September 24, 23:28:47 »
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 Grin Or do the BBS default answer: reinstall the entire game... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: 2005 September 24, 23:52:17 »
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Ziggy, if you have win xp have you tried looking in the error logs (administrative tools) perhaps something in there corresponds to the install time that might give you a clue as to what is happening, also to rule out intermittent drive problems did you try installing on both drives with no success?  If so, have you checked the IDE cables? Have you tried installing the game on a completely different pc to rule out bad discs?  If you've already had a failed install, did you then uninstall the base game and reinstall?  That's it, I'm out of things to try.

Except for one thing, have you ever downloaded anything from the exchange?  It's surprising what can sneak through Wink Check your Sims2 downloads folder - it should be empty.
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« Reply #9 on: 2005 September 25, 00:00:03 »
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Thanks for all the suggestions; am curiouz, dizzy-two - just how long did it take you to install NL?  More than an hour or two? 

Surface scan is no problem if all else fails; have a couple of good books on hand.

Maybe I'll just grit my teeth and make another return/exchange and see if the third try is the magic one.  Really did want to go bowling!   Wink



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« Reply #10 on: 2005 September 25, 00:08:02 »
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I actually had a little trouble getting it to finish installing, I'd just get that "please" wait little box Smiley  I eventually got it to install by shutting it down in task manager, not the wisest idea maybe but I'm impatient and reckless lol.

Then about four days later I couldn't get the game to start at all, my CD drive just would not read the CD, I tried everything, including pulling the machine apart to check the cables to the CD drive and ended up reinstalling *shrugs* 
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« Reply #11 on: 2005 September 25, 00:15:05 »
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I actually had a little trouble getting it to finish installing, I'd just get that "please" wait little box Smiley  I eventually got it to install by shutting it down in task manager, not the wisest idea maybe but I'm impatient and reckless lol.

Then about four days later I couldn't get the game to start at all, my CD drive just would not read the CD, I tried everything, including pulling the machine apart to check the cables to the CD drive and ended up reinstalling *shrugs* 

I had that too, the unreadable cd I mean. It was just a corrupt groups.cache file. Once I replaced that the game started fine. I reinstalled anyway because...well, because I felt like having a new start after creating too many neighborhoods with too many characters before I knew the impact that would have on the game.
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« Reply #12 on: 2005 September 25, 00:19:29 »
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I had the please wait error, and a similar error to what you're having too.

Here's a tip that saved my installation.

Put disc 1 in one of your CD trays. Put Disc 2 in the second CD tray.

When installing, it won't say "insert disc 2" because it senses Disc 2 in the second tray, and goes straight through the entire installation.
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« Reply #13 on: 2005 September 25, 00:39:36 »
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am curiouz, dizzy-two - just how long did it take you to install NL?

It took me a mere 17 minutes. I consider that to be a long long time to just to do an install.  Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: 2005 September 25, 01:20:50 »
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There is an explaination under tech help on the real site about how to copy the whole of Uni onto your drive, then install from there. It works with NL too.

That fixed teh exact same problem with Uni, so give it a try.
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« Reply #15 on: 2005 September 25, 01:25:44 »
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Problem solved about 10 minutes ago.  Disk #1 went into my drive E.  When I placed disk 2 in that drive, the installation hung up again so I ejected it and placed it in drive D.  Bingo.  I find that really odd but lots of things are odd about the Sims.

Wished I had read Baa's message first so I could have tried putting both disks in at the same time.  Will keep that in mind for the future.

Thanks very much everyone for taking the time to offer help.

Off to explore that bowling alley!

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« Reply #16 on: 2005 September 25, 01:27:38 »
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Problem solved about 10 minutes ago.  Disk #1 went into my drive E.  When I placed disk 2 in that drive, the installation hung up again so I ejected it and placed it in drive D.  Bingo.  I find that really odd but lots of things are odd about the Sims.

Wished I had read Baa's message first so I could have tried putting both disks in at the same time.  Will keep that in mind for the future.

Thanks very much everyone for taking the time to offer help.

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Hmm, good that your game was installed. I had to try like five different ways to get it to install before I thought of putting the discs in separate drives. You know the funny thing? It was an accident that I put 'em in separate trays.
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« Reply #17 on: 2005 September 25, 08:31:52 »
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am curiouz, dizzy-two - just how long did it take you to install NL?

It took me a mere 17 minutes. I consider that to be a long long time to just to do an install. Tongue

haha, on my old computer, which was a 600mhz processor, 192 ram pentium 3, the installation for the basic TS2 game took an hour! how's that for sloooooww...
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« Reply #18 on: 2005 September 25, 12:14:36 »
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And on Monday I'm going to install the Sims 2 onto a 286....



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« Reply #19 on: 2005 September 25, 12:34:56 »
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It took me 4 tries to install NL.  The first time, stopped at 51%.  The second time, got all the way through, stopped at "please wait".  The third time, stopped at 51%.  The fourth time, I put the cds in my other drive and it took.

Wish I had thought to use both drives, too.  I was at it for 2 hours.
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« Reply #20 on: 2005 September 25, 14:55:34 »
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Interesting to hear that others have experienced the identical issue with installation and similarly solved it.  I had sent a report to the Maxis tech support on the BBS help area and when I get their standard blah-blah-blah response, will give them the correct answer.  Maybe they will even put it in their tech FAQ.

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« Reply #21 on: 2005 September 25, 15:18:17 »
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What if the damn piece of junk you've got in your house only has... ONE goddam CD drive?  Shocked Eh? Suggestions on postcards please.
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« Reply #22 on: 2005 September 25, 16:21:55 »
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I too ad this problem....when i inserted the disk it stopped at (either 51 or 57% don't remember clearly) and i waited and waited.... I also closed the installatiion with the task manager cause it said that the program wasn't responding. So the second time, when it asked for the 2dn cd, I put it inthe same drive and waited a bit before clicking ok... It instaled like a charm the second time.. Cheesy I was so relieved! Grin
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« Reply #23 on: 2005 September 25, 17:46:06 »
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What if the damn piece of junk you've got in your house only has... ONE goddam CD drive?  Shocked Eh? Suggestions on postcards please.

can you try copying all the files from both the cds into a folder on your hard drive, then install the game from there?
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« Reply #24 on: 2005 September 26, 13:19:27 »
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Here's the official reply from EA tech support. I've responded giving them my solution.

>>Thank you for contacting us here at Electronic Arts Technical Support.

I'm sorry to hear about your difficulties with the game.
 I will recommend three  sets of steps to resolve your issue.  Please try them out  one by one.  If all of them fails, I have also included our Warranty for your perusal.

When a game displays an error describing an inability to read the CD, or a game will not load once installed, this can be for several reasons. The reason usually falls on three areas; the CD-ROM drive, the game disc, or a software issue between the two. As you can imagine this can be a daunting task to troubleshoot, however if you follow the below steps you'll be able to narrow down the issue to the root cause and resolve the issue. Please keep in mind that these are not meant to be tried all at once, so make sure that once you've completed a section that you attempt to launch the game to see if that particular troubleshooting resolved your issue.

1.  Make sure that you have closed any programs or tasks running in the background as sometimes one of the programs can conflict with the game. Background applications such as anti-virus programs are often the cause of conflicts.

· Hold down the Ctrl, Alt, and Delete keys at the same time
· Click the "Processes" tab.
· Click on the gray bar in the middle column that says User Name to sort by user name.
· Do NOT select anything for SYSTEM, LOCAL SERVICE, or NETWORK SERVICE.
· Click on anything besides EXPLORER and TASKMGR for this User Name or other user names.
· Click on END PROCESS
· Repeat these steps until only explorer.exe and taskmgr.exe are open for this user profile.

2.Install SafeDisc Update.
Install SafeDisc update.
Before you install the SafeDisc update, follow these steps to see if they are required for your computer.
Insert the game play disc.
Click Start.
Click Run.
Type cmd in the available text box and press OK.
At the command prompt, type in the CD-ROM drive letter that your play disc is currently in, followed by a colon.
Example : D:
Press the Enter key on your keyboard.
Note : This should change your current prompt to match the drive letter you typed.
Type dir /a:h in the new prompt, and press Enter on your keyboard.
This will display all of the hidden files on the disc. If there is a file named SSIFSDAT.SYS listed among them, you do not need this update however it may benefit other games.
Click on the following link to download the SafeDisc update.
http://www.macrovision.com/products/safedisc/downloads.shtml
Follow the instructions listed on the Macrovision website to download and install the SafeDisc update.
Once the update has been successfully installed, restart the game.

3.  Other CD ROM troubleshooting steps:
Verify that the disk is clean/undamaged and the drive is able to recognize the disk.
Verify that the correct game CD/DVD is inserted in the drive.
Log on as Administrator.
Disable Compatibility Mode.
Install and then start the game from a different CD-ROM /DVD-ROM drive.
Disable Emulation software.
Change DMA transfer mode to PIO mode.
Download and install the DCOM update.
Download the latest firmware version for your CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive.
Scan your computer for viruses.
Remove Spyware from your computer.
Verify that the disk is clean/undamaged and the drive is able to recognize the disk.
With multiple disc games, the installation program will prompt you to insert the next disc during installation. If the installation program stops responding, it may be due to clicking the "OK" button too quickly after inserting the next disc or inserting a dirty disc.
The following steps will help prevent lockups during installation.
After inserting the disc that the installation program is prompting you to insert, please wait at least 10 to 15 seconds (the indicator light will stop blinking on the CD-ROM drive) before clicking the "OK" button. This will allow the CD-ROM drive to initialize the disc properly and allow the installation to resume properly.
Make sure that the disc is clean and free from defects. Fingerprints and scratches could also cause lockups during installation. Use a soft dry cloth to wipe any smudges or fingerprints from the disk.
Verify that the correct game CD/DVD is inserted in the correct drive.
Many games now come with multiple CD's, and which CD is required to start the game may not be blatantly apparent.
Note : If you are unsure which CD is required to launch the game, please refer to the game documentation, or attempt to start the game with all of the discs that came with the game.
Games now are being offered in a DVD disc format to reduce disc swapping during installation, and reduce the confusion for the consumer. The catch to this is that you cannot install or play a DVD version game unless you have a DVD-ROM drive in your computer to install and play from.
Log on as Administrator .(This only applies for Microsoft Windows NT, Microsoft Windows 2000, and Microsoft Windows XP)
Many games now will only work properly when installed and played on an account with Administrator level access.
Disable Compatibility Mode .
Right-click on the shortcut used to launch the program and choose Properties.
Click on the Compatibility tab.
Uncheck the box next to Run this program in compatibility mode for.
Click the Apply button, and then click OK to close the window.
Launch the game from the shortcut that you just modified.
Install and then start the game from a different CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive .(This only applies if you have a secondary CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive in the same computer.)
If the game is currently installed, uninstall the software.
Click Start.
Click Control Panel.
Double-Click Add/Remove Programs.
Select the game you are troubleshooting, and click the Remove or Add/Remove button (depending on your operating system).
Install the game using your secondary CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive.
Insert the game disc.
Choose Install from the autoplay screen.
Once the game is installed, start the game while the game CD is in your secondary CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive.
Disable Emulation software.
Because of the way Emulation software converts physical hard drive space to mimic a removable storage device, such as a CD-ROM drive; this can prevent the software from being read properly. Below are a few of the mentioned emulation drives with basic instructions for disabling them. Should your particular emulation software not be listed, please refer to the software manufacturers website for further information.
Alcohol 10%
Start Alcohol and click on the Emulation option on the left window.
Select Emulation from the option tree.
Uncheck the Ignore Media Types box to turn off the media type emulation.
Select Extra Emulation from the options tree.
Uncheck the BAD Sectors Emulation to turn off this type of emulation.
Exit Alcohol 120% and restart the game.
CloneCD
On your Windows task bar in the bottom right of your screen (next to the clock), locate the CloneCD tray icon.
The icon can differ, but should look like one of these:   
Right-click on the icon, and uncheck Hide CD-R media.
Restart the game.
Daemon Tools
Locate the Daemon Tools icon, which should be located on the Windows taskbar (next to the clock).
This icon can differ, so hover your mouse over each icon for a description of what it is.
Once you've found the Daemon Tools icon, right-click on it.
Select the Emulation tab.
Deselect SafeDisc.
Restart the game.
Veritas DLA
Double-click on My Computer.
Right-click on the CD Drive.
Click Properties.
Click on the DLA tab.
Uncheck Enable DLA on your Drives.
Nero Image Drive
Launch Nero ImageDrive.
Go to the following location:
Start à All Programs à Nero à Nero 6 Ultra Edition à Nero ImageDrive
Select Disable Nero ImageDrive located at the bottom left side of the program.

Change DMA transfer mode to PIO mode .(This applies only to Windows XP users).
Click Start.
Click Control Panel.
Click Switch to Classic View in the left pane.
Double-click on System.
Click on the Hardware tab.
Click on the Device Manager button.
Double-click IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers.
Double-click Secondary IDE Channel.
Click on the Advanced Settings tab.
Note : If you do not see the Advanced Settings tab, your computer probably has a SCSI (small computer system interface) drive. DMA transfer mode options are not available for SCSI drives.
Under Device 0, select PIO only in the Transfer Mode box.
If you have more than one CD or DVD drive, also select PIO only in the Transfer Mode box under Device 1.
WARNING : If Current Transfer Mode under Device 0 or under Device 1 states Not Applicable, that device is not in use. Change only the Devices that do not state Not Applicable. If both devices state Not Applicable, your CD or DVD drive is on the Primary IDE Channel.
Double-click Primary IDE Channel.
Click on the Advanced Settings tab.
Under Device 1, select DMA if available in the Transfer Mode box.
WARNING : Device 0 is most likely your hard drive and should not be changed.
Click OK.
Restart your computer, and then restart the game.
Download and install the DCOM update .(This only applies to Windows 95/98 users)
For Windows 95 users:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=d7a4de78-81a9-4db7-beb6-84ff99342172&displaylang=en
For Windows 98 users:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=08b1ac1b-7a11-43e8-b59d-0867f9bdda66&displaylang=en
Download the latest firmware version for your CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive .
Contact your CD-ROM drive hardware manufacturer to obtain and install the latest version of the firmware. For information about how to contact your CD-ROM drive hardware manufacturer, click the appropriate article number in the following list to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
65416 Hardware and Software Third-Party Vendor Contact List, A-K
60781 Hardware and Software Third-Party Vendor Contact List, L-P
60782 Hardware and Software Third-Party Vendor Contact List, Q-Z
Microsoft provides third-party contact information to help you find technical support. This contact information may change without notice. Microsoft does not guarantee the accuracy of this third-party contact information.
Scan your computer for viruses.
The game may quit, generate an error message, or stop responding during start or when you play the game if your computer is infected with the virus.
Important : If you already have an anti-virus program installed on your computer, update your antivirus program with the latest signature files before scanning your computer. Most software companies that create antivirus programs release a new signature file each month. After you obtain the latest signature files, scan your computer. For help obtaining the antivirus signature files, contact the antivirus software manufacturer.
If you do not have anti-virus software installed, click on one of the free online virus scanners listed below to scan your system for viruses:
http://security.symantec.com
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp
Remove Spyware from your computer.
Spyware is software that collects personal information without your knowledge or permission. You might be the target of Spyware or other unwanted software if you download music from file-sharing programs, download free games from sites that you do not trust, or download other software from an unknown source. Spyware may affect the game play and the startup process.
To learn more about the symptoms of Spyware and other unwanted software, how to remove Spyware, and how you can help protect your computer, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/default.mspx
If none of the above steps have resolved your issue, you may perform a manual installation of the game to bypass use of the disk drive and verify integrity of the disks.
Make sure to follow the steps below exactly as they read, or else the install may not work.
1.  Double-click My Computer.
2.  Right-click on the Local Disk C and choose Open.
3.  Right-click inside the window and select New, and then Folder.
4.  Name the folder Disk Images it is important that the name has a space in it.
5.  Double-Click the new Disk Images folder to open it.
6.  Right-click inside the window and select New, and then Folder.
7.  Name this folder Disk1.
8.  Repeat steps 6 and 7 while substituting Disk1 for Disk2 and Disk 3 or as many disk as there is in the game. It is important to note there must not be a space between "Disk" and the number. If you have the DVD version you will only need the Disk1 folder.
9.  Insert Disk 1 of into your disk drive and if the autoplay starts, cancel it.
10. Double-click My Computer to open it.
11. Right-click on your disk drive and choose Open.
12. When you see the contents of the disk in the Window, click on Edit at the top of the window and choose Select All.
13. All the contents of the disk should now be highlighted, click on Edit at the top of the window again and choose Copy.
14. Open the Disk1 folder you created under C:\Disk Images; click on Edit at the top of the window and choose Paste. This will copy the contents of the disk into the Disk1 folder.
15. Repeat steps 9 through 14 for Disk 2, Disk 3 and if there is , Disk4 until you have copied each disk into its appropriate folder. If you have the DVD version, you will not need to perform this step.
Once the disks have been copied, remove ALL disks from any drives.
Open the Disk1 folder under Disk Images and double-click on autorun.exe to start the installation.
To save disk space, you can delete the Disk Images folders after the installation has completed.
If you receive an error whilst copying the files this means the disk is either damaged or defective. If the disk is clean with no visible scratches/damage, you should exchange your copy for a new one through the store of purchase or our " target=_blankWarranty Department.

If these steps fail, see if you can try to install the disk on another computer to verify the integrity of the disk itself. If setup fails on another system, or you do not have access to another system to try this on, you will want to contact our Warranty department for a replacement disk.

WARRANTY
For returns after the 90-day warranty period - Please return the product along with a check or money order for $7.50 made payable to Electronic Arts, and a brief description of the difficulty you are experiencing including your name, address, and phone number to the address below. We strongly recommend that you send your product using a delivery method that is traceable.

Electronic Arts Customer Warranty
PO Box 9025
Redwood City, CA 94063-9025

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