Greet me, Kiss me, Kill you...

[Jorenne]

Right lets just get one thing straight right off.  I'm and inteen and insim user (in fact check the credits for the insim, you'll find my name among many others there).  I've been using Insim since v1.1 and Inteen for months and I have never had any thing resembling "Bloated buggy crap".

First of, Gwill, I don't actually care to listen to anything you have to say on this subject you have freely admitted that you have never and will never use Inteen or Insim, any further comments by you are therefore, in my view, null and void.  I don't actually give a flying crap if you're a programmer, or a chimpanzee, don't talk shit about a download you know nothing about.

I really don't understand why people feel the need to bad-mouth a particular download of any kind.  If you don't like it, don't use it, or if you have any knowledge on the subject then perhaps offer constructive critisism.  But for the love of all that is simlish at least know your mod before you start!

I am so damn freaking pissed off with the mud slinging about Inteen and InSim, I know tons of happy simmers using these mods and you know what?  I don't see a particular decline in the kitten population, nor an increase in the number of games blowing up if they are used correctly.

There are mod conflicts all over the community, it's always, ALWAYS been a case of pick and choose which you want unless you make them yourself, and since we're all here downloading awesome hacks, them we obviously either can't, won't, or are too lazy.  Oh if I could be bothered to roll my entire hack subdirectory into one file I'd do it in a New York minute, and you know what else?  I like the "bloated crap" that Inteen offers, back in it's early days when he was much more of a t/woo-pregnancy thing I didn't use it at all, but the ingenuity behind all of the functions astounds me at times. 

This is likely to make me unpopular here but I couldn't give two hoots, but I distinctly get the feeling a lot of the "Unawesomeness" around here about InTeen and InSim is because JM says it's so.  Often you idiots remind me of the BBS Sheep. "JM says I need this I must download it, even though I don't actually know what it does"  Or "JM says it sucks so it must"  He, I'm not as subtle or polite as Sleepycat, those of you like that, and you know who you are, no point denying it, are FanBoys/Girls You really should try to think for yourselves every once in a while, to Quote Edmund Blackadder - Thinking is SO Important.

If Inteen/Insim isn't to your playing style, then fair enough, don't use them, but don't try and destory the reputation of a mod just because you don't like it personally.  That'snothing but cyber-gossip.

[RainbowTigress]

I've been using InSim and I have used InTeen before, and my game hasn't blown up.  I am always very careful about what mods I use and I always RTFM to make sure I know about any potential conflicts.  Even TJ"s new Visitor Controller has a conflict with JM's phone hack, but if you read his instructions, he informs you about it, and tells you how to avoid it.  It's the same with InTeen.  I agree with Sleepycat and Jorenne.  Jase and Eric have put a lot of hard work into these hacks, and they have been well-tested by many people.  The features are ones that have been requested by the people who play this game, not just because they thought it was something nice to throw in.  Sure, I don't use every function that InSim offers, but I use a lot of them, and I have probably used most of them at least once, and I am glad it was there when I needed it.  I like having the tools available that I need when I need them.  I think of it like a toolbox.  I have run into very few conflicts, and when I have had one, Eric and Jase have been friendly and quick to respond. 

The error many of us were getting when moving sims into a new house where they lost their want slots and had blank want slots was at first blamed on InTeen by JM because someone mentioned they had it.  At first, I used InSim to restore  the missing want slots, but this hack was deemed "unawesome."  But it was ok to use TJ's college adjuster to do the same thing (another hack which offers multiple functions.  )   But that really didn't address the problem.  When I was able to produce an error log, TJ traced the problem to the fact that using the Lot Debugger to upgrade pre-Uni sims was causing the problem because they did not have a major set, so it wasn't really a Maxis bug.  Once JM was made aware of this, he quickly released a fix, which solved the problem.  My point is that it seems that people are quick to jump on InTeen and InSim, when they may not even be the problem at all, and it cuts off any further investigation of the problem.

We have been through this discussion already, and Jase stated his reasons for making InTeen in another thread.  The features are all intended to work together, and I agree that it makes little sense to install the whole package when there is just one feature you want.  But don't criticize the creator and people who use it and call the thing crap just because you don't care to use it.  That is just rude.

[PlaidSquirrel]

I love the InTeen and the InSim. I love that the InTeen has everything I need for it to have. I like all of the options (except the go steady before engagement) and I use them. I also love the InSim. I use nearly all the options pretty often. So for me it makes sense. On the other hand I have other hacks that do some of what the InSim does and one thing it doesn't. Gosh it sure would be nice if I could just have the one thing InSim doesn't do instead of a whole hat full of stuff. It would be cool if they added it to the InSim.    But oh well.

As to hack conflicts I have the Clothing Tool and Moniques Computer the yellow DMA Burgalar Alarm and obviously the InTeen and InSim as well plus many more. I'm sure I read it if it was in the RTFM but I haven't experienced any "problems" that I was aware of before reading here. I never go to UNI anymore and I thought the clothing tool worked properly. I had no idea. It's no big deal though since the way it works suits me fine.

I also have Casual Romance and the Romance Mod and I love them all to bits too! And when you set all your prefs for the Casual Romance aren't you just adding and removing bits of functionality there? Yes? I thought so. (but isn't that great?!)

[jase]

Quite the opposite.  I read the fucking manual and saw that this was not something I needed or wanted.  I have never had either Insiminator or InTeen installed in my game, and I never will.
No kittens on my cconscience.

The dark side I sense in you.  I can feeeeel your anger...

[Sagana]

I do have Macrotastics, but that's not really a fair comparison, since the entire point of Macrotastics is to eliminate the endless clicking to manage your Sims, and not just to eliminate having to click to stand the flamingo up again.

Yeah, but the point of Inteen is to expand the options of Maxis teens, not just to offer teen woohoo or teen pregnancy or casual romance or however one might divide it up. In the same way Macrostatics is meant to do more, Inteen is meant to do more. I personally don't want to eliminate endless clicking to manage my sims (I don't even have no what'sthis - I don't mind clicking it off if they start looking at stuff. Clicking just doesn't bother me. And I think it makes the game easier and I don't want it to be easier.) And you might not want to expand experience for your teens to the degree Inteen does. But I would kinda like to eliminate the need to stand up flamingos just to knock them down again, and maybe you'd just like one piece of Inteen. But I don't expect JM to rewrite the entire mod just because I only want that one part of it. It's meant to be a more overriding thing. That's cool. If I get tired enough of standing up flamingos, I'll download all of it and maybe I'll discover I can't live without it or something.

I do however have Moniques computer, I didnt realize it wasnt compatible with JMPs clothing mod...as I havent had any issues with it. What is the issue?

I'm very sorry, all my parentheticals and stuff are extremely confusing. I'm wordy. The clothing mod and Monique's computer do *not* (that I'm aware of) conflict. JM's clothing mod and Inteen conflict (only in the one portion of it that allows you to choose clothes for YAs right as they're transitioning to adults and moving back to the neighborhood - but if you're also using the computer, likely that's the part you want.) Hope that made sense, and if it was right, that'd be nice as well

[nectere]

Oh thank goodness sagna, because I would be really bummed if the two had a conflict as I would very hard pressed to get rid of Monique's computer. Sorry Pescado, but its pretty darn cool...

[ebonyspiral]

*shrug* I've been giving inTeen a try and so far so good.

I mean, I use Two Jeff's casual romance purely for controlling jealousy to a single room and turn off the rest of the options... Similar kind of roundabout logic as removing aspects of inTeen I won't want...

I can live with that.

[RainbowTigress]

Oh thank goodness sagna, because I would be really bummed if the two had a conflict as I would very hard pressed to get rid of Monique's computer. Sorry Pescado, but its pretty darn cool...

I agree, Monique's computer is cool.  People need to understand that JM considers anything not made by him or TJ (and possibly Crammyboy now that he's here) as "non-awesome."  That is his opinion, which he is entitled to.  But that isn't gospel.  There are many other fine modders out there (which I will not name here to avoid leaving anyone out.)  We are all free to choose which mods we want to use in our game to make it work the way we want, and it is the responsibility of each one of us if we intend to use mods in our games to educate ourselves as much as we can and learn what a mod is intended to do, what potential conflicts there may be, and what that modder's support policy is.  Some are willing to take suggestions, but some aren't.  Either way, these mods are being offered free of charge because it is a labor of love, so to speak, because these people enjoy playing the game and creating mods that will either fix problems in the game or annoyances perceived by some.  No one of us has the right to demand that a modder do this or that or change their mod to suit them.  Suggest, yes, but not demand.  We have the responsibility of knowing what we put on our computer and reading the information painstakingly provided so we know of any potential conflicts, and then informing the modder of any problems we find in as clear and concise a manner as we can (not just "It don't work!")  This is how the community works together to solve problems and produce products that are better than each one could have produced individually.

I hope I made sense.   This is of course, my opinion, and may or may not reflect the opinions of the management.  Thank you.

[Brynne]

Well said, Rainbow. Bravo!

[Sagana]

Rainbow, that was beautifully said.

I love being part of a community like yours, even if about all I accomplish is wordy posts

I also really like Monique's computer. I wanted it for the work at home options, and was actually a bit dismayed by the long list of things it does, but installed it anyway and realized that it doesn't do anything I don't want it to and I got to try out a lot of things I probably wouldn't have otherwise. Actually, probably that computer is what made me brave enough to try Inteen and Insim (which I need as I downright broke SimPE - it's all full of "unknowns") - realizing even if they offer something, they don't do anything I don't want them to.

[jase]

OK, OK...let's all just hold hands now and sing a round of Kumbayah.

[Sagana]

I don't think I know that one.

How about if we touch tentacles and mutter broken phrases channeled from half-remembered dreams of Ryleh under the sea instead?

Serves the same purpose, I'm sure ;)

[RainbowTigress]

Ommmmmm.......Ommmmmmm....

Or we could meditate like the sims do...I always get a kick out of watching them do that.  It was funny to see the sims I had meditating on the sidewalk break out of meditation to yell at a sim who came to steal their newspaper.  I thought meditation was supposed to take you to a different plane where you didn't care about such trivial things?  Once I moved them inside though, they were again blissfully unaware...

[aussieone]

How about if we touch tentacles and mutter broken phrases channeled from half-remembered dreams of Ryleh under the sea instead?

Serves the same purpose, I'm sure

No way am I gonna touch anyone's testic...oh hang on, I read that wrong....oops my bad! 

[RainbowTigress]

You should be ashamed of yourself, aussieone!  I don't have testicles, and neither does Brynne cuz she's a girl, dammit! 

[Sagana]

<rofl>

Hey, me too - is a gurl damnit. I might be green and warty and very very very very old, but I've always only had the girl parts really.

Although hermaphroditic would probably have been much more useful, ritually speaking.

Dang, now look what you've done and here I was perfectly content with my sex (as opposed to my gender, not to be misunderstood as about getting any as I am a dried up old crone anyways which is not the same as frigid as, even in the Greco-Roman world, the underworld is rather heated.)

Woah, look what I typed <goes off to play sims - it's lots safer, well other than hitting "try for baby" when one just means woohoo, ok well less embarassing then> ;)

Edit: Alright, I was only playing - I don't like to be the last poster on a thread. Somebody, anybody, post something, anything else :)

[myskaal]

BLAH! I've been at work all day and didn't get to get in on this until now so!...

If I want a no jealousy hack, I want to download one package that disables the jealousy function.
If I want a casual romance hack, I want to download one package that enables casual romance.

I do not want to download a whole bunch of crap that I don't want, just because it's attatched to the function I do want.

I want teen woohoo, teen pregnancy, the ability to speed up, hold or abort pregnancies, Risky Woohoo, no loss of a teenage love when transitioning to adult, a quick simple way to fix the junk townie bug, multiple concurrent committed relationships for all ages, and an easy breakup option.
All that happens to come together in one very nicely done add-on.

I don't want to have to download 10+ seperate hacks that may or may not work together to get the same effect.

Guess it's a good thing there are options for those who don't and those who do from different modders.

Really doesn't make sense to me at all why people feel they need to rip a persons way of doing these things so vehemently simply because they disagree. Don't like it? Ok don't fucking download it, go get your seperates. I'm sure they're out there and if they're not someone somewhere would probably be happy to whip 'em up for you. Others will be happy that Inteen comes the way it does because that's what they're looking for(and hope that he updates for OFB inspite of assholes who feel if it's not catered to their exact blueprint of what they deem fit then it must be a piece of shit).

Now feel free to ignore all that because it's late, long overdue, and probably already been said by several others in this thread thankyou I'm off to finish catching up on other new posts elsewhere.

NYAA!!

[RainbowTigress]

myskaal:  Well said.  I am interested in the easy breakup feature, as well as many of the others you described.  I just may install the InTeenimater again yet! 

[aussieone]

NO Rainbow........think of the kittens!!!! 

[RainbowTigress]

I am convinced that God could care less whether I install the InTeenimater or not.   He has much more important things to worry about!

[Brynne]

OK, OK...let's all just hold hands now and sing a round of Kumbayah.

Someone's singing, my Lord
Kumbayah...
Oh, Lord, Kumbayah.

I feel much better, now. Thanks, Jase!

[RainbowTigress]

Breathe very slowly, Brynne, in through the nostrils, and out through the mouth...in through the nostrils...out through the mouth.   There, doesn't that feel better?

[Sleepycat]

heh, I'm going to have to reinstall InTeen again cause now I'm really missing it...provided it gets along with the new patch *sigh*

[Brynne]

Breathe very slowly, Brynne, in through the nostrils, and out through the mouth...in through the nostrils...out through the mouth.   There, doesn't that feel better?

Thanks, duuuuuuuuuudette, but Kumbayah reaaaally, like, mellowed me out, dig?

[cwieberdink]

Cain't we all just.... git along???

C