Ah okay I understand more now what the name options were and how relationships are set.

Out of curiosity.. Does this mod affect beds as well or not? I wouldn't know where to look for in the mod to see if it does affect the beds or not. I am just wondering since the newly married couple couldn't try for baby on other beds besides the Cheap Ezzz Morrisey bed.

Yes, the teen siblings can woohoo normally on any double bed, but they cannot "Try For Baby" on any bed but the Cheap Ezzzz Morrisey double bed (the $450 bed) which they did "Try For Baby" successfully on. Just that bed only if you want married siblings to go to 3rd base.

I have a question about last names.. When I had both teenaged siblings marry, I was given the options: No Change, Sim In Icon and Other Sim. I wanted to clarify to make sure I understood the two options. Sim In Icon means the currently selected Sim? And Other Sim is... the one who got married but isn't the currently selected Sim correct?

The only other minor issue I saw was that the selected Sim did not get a Crush symbol in the relationship panel to the Sim he married, but she did get the Crush symbol in her relationship to him. I'm not sure if this was intended or a small oversight over how the relationships are set when two siblings or related Sims marry like the relationships for the normal couples.

You just reminded me to post what I have since this probably would help you more because people have different setups for Sims 2:

I have all expansion packs and all stuff packs. I currently have the third patch for FT (Didn't touch the first two with a 20-ft pole), the latest Debugger and BFFsarefor12 mods. I obviously also have other mods, but the ones I listed pertain to how the points are earned and how these mods affect the Sims' LTAs and friendships.

Pre-FT is supposd to give older Sims the points they wouldn't have gotten unless they were born or created after FT is installed. The Capps and the Montys (just an example) were existing families before FT, and they didn't earn any point because they existed already and already achieved those milestones. That is what the Pre-FT option on the Lot Debugger is for. This also can be applied to CAS YAs, adults and elders.

The progress on the Uni lots stopped fullstop. Points earned on those lots aren't earned until after the Uni student graduates or leaves. I think that is the case. My Uni student woohoo'ed and kissed her adult (non-Uni) partner for the first time. I looked at the popup on her LTA meter and saw zero points earned for those two events. She was supposed to earn those two points but she didn't get them until after she graduated from Uni. Those two points would've shown a significant progress on the meter as one whole box filled in.

As for BFF and memories, Pescado's BFFsarefor12s mod allows teens and younger to have BFFs and memories from having BFFs for the first time. The mod doesn't allow YAs and older to have BFFs. The BFF stuff sounded like what kids would do in real life. So, his mod made alot of sense. I gave my YA that point after she made a BF (Best Friend) with an adult Sim on a community lot.

I couldn't answer that question about First BFFs inflating the aspiration benefits because I recalled that gaining points so quickly happened before I installed Pescado's BFFsarefor12s mod when I got tired of seeing adults make BFFs with everything that moved.

That is exactly what I was going to comment after I played my new Uni student for awhile last night.

She was a CAS Sim with four points given to her when I put her on a dorm lot. I've tried nearly everything she could possibly do and haven't earned any new points from First Kiss, First Woohoo and Best Friend (I think that is a separate issue since I have Pescado's BFFarefor12s mod and my Sim was a YA).

The Lifetime Aspiration Meter completely stops on Uni lots and community lots (the meters haven't progressed on those lots after I checked some of my other playable Sims who showed up there). I haven't tried the Hobby lots yet to see if anything is different there. But my newly graduated CAS Sim's Lifetime Aspiration Meter began moving after she moved in with her partner on a home lot, but like you said.. at a glacial speed.

The mod is working pretty well and not blowing up. I think the rate of progress needed to be bumped up just a notch mostly for Uni, but if you intended for the Lifetime Aspiration Meter to stop on those lots, then I will understand with no problem. Just enough to see significant progress after the Sim achieve a milestone. There are a total of 16 available points to spend, and so far, my new Sim earned 7 points, but only after she graduated from college did those two points become available. The option for Pre-FT on the Debugger is missing for her after I put this mod into my game. I don't know if this is related, but it is something to look into to verify.

This is exactly what I am looking for to slow down the aspiration points being earned far too quickly by Sims born after FreeTime. I don't mind testing this for you.

Anything in particular you're looking for in feedback other than how slow the points are earned?

Seasons came out in March 2007, a month before Marhis came up with this mod. I don't remember which stuff packs came out in between, but I think (correct me if I am wrong), there were a couple - Celebration and H&M stuff packs. BV came out in September 2007.

Wasn't there a problem with one of the wedding arches that came with Celebration? I remembered having some trouble using it for a couple of playables at the time that stuff pack came out.

Okay, thank you for the feedback. I will try it out and post it sometimes this weekend or after if I come across a problem with it. Just an interesting thought or rather mod to mess around with.

I noticed two mods packed together in the zipped file, but one is dated as far back as 2007 and the other as far back as 2008. Do we put them into our Downloads folder together or use the most recent mod?

Is this compatible with Pescado's antiwatchout mod? I recalled that you mentioned a conflict between this mod and Pescado's mod on the thread over at Insiminator.

I use Pescado's antivacationactions (I think that's who I got it from since it's sitting in my Pescado-MATY folder) and twojeff's noautonomousbeachactivities for those things. I used jase's teen_birdwatch_fix to enable teenagers to do birdwatching but it also curbs (in his words) obsessive/compulsive behavior in teens and up. I haven't had problems with Sims bothering other Sims when they do birdwatching.

Give those a whirl and see what happens. I don't know if jase still has that one up on his site, but worth a shot to see.

Yes, I tweaked some of the options in the TTAB for all of the versions I did (Cheap, Expensive, Laptop and Sunair Light) to reduce autonomous behavior that was seen in not just FreeTime but previous expansion packs. I didn't like seeing my Sims gravitate to one of Monique's versions and stand there for hours next to the Sim using the computer or trying to initiate a conversation with that said Sim. I think Twojeff's version only affected Maxis computers from FreeTime and earlier expansion packs, BUT I did have the non-autonomous version of his fix for the regular Maxis computers on community lots. I wasn't really into redesigning the existing community lots, and yes I am lazy when it comes to redesigning sometimes. 

You can change the autonomy level of the options by putting "32" in the Autonomy field box in TTAB. 32 is considered as the acceptable level for autonomous behavior whereas 64 is considered as the acceptable level for non-autonomous behavior. I haven't touched the core functions of the Write Article functions (BHAVs) myself. I simply changed the autonomy level and unchecked some of the functions (Visitors, children and so forth for what would be perceived as appropriate or to keep within the Maxis idea - I.E. Children weren't allowed to go visit community lots on their own unless they were taken there by teen and older Sims. So why should they be able to write restaurant guides? Or even novels for that matter?) The Sunair Light version is somewhat different. Visitors can write articles on that one. If anyone else want to tweak the TTAB on other versions, all they have to do is tick the Visitors checkbox for those Write Article-related functions and change from 64 to 32 in the Autonomy field boxes in TTAB.

I simply prefer not having any of my Sims become stupid by going over to stand by the computer for hours and staring at other Sims using the computers. They really creeped me out.. I do hope you understand why these versions have no autonomy with reasonable limitations to allow only employees to study badges on business lots almost immediately when they're told by their bosses to go study them.

I really liked those ideas.. Vocational schools.. I can imagine new possibilities...

Autonomy and FreeTime didn't mix too well! 

The reason why all of the versions for FreeTime (Cheap, Expensive, Laptop and Sunair Light) is because the Sims acted like they -have- to be on or by the computer all the time when there is another Sim using the computer. They threw hissy fits every time. It was time to stomp this silly behavior. So, autonomy was removed for sanity reasons. BUT I allowed only employees to study almost autonomously if they're told by their managers to go study a badge on the business lot. They're the only type of visitors allowed to interact with computers on those lots.

I saw no sense in allowing visitors to use computers on home and dorm lots. They stopped by to visit with my Sims, didn't they? And dorm lots typically have more than five Sims at a given time, so one computer and more than five Sims is a bad idea. Didn't need visitors jostling the dorm residents to use the computer.

Sorry for the lack of response here in a long while. I came round to check up on the thread and realize that there were new posts.

I am working on the Little Sister (Expensive Computer) version, but I am not sure when I will release it, Damon. Keep an eye out for this one. And no, I'm only updating Monique's Cheap and Expensive Computer versions.

I am looking into this Sunair Light version, but I won't get around to doing anything with that one until I finish working on the Expensive Computer version.

I'm sorry about not planning anything with the Teen Style computer although it looked cool.

By the way, thank you for the link, Lily Whyte!

I did recall seeing a laptop like that somewhere and used it for awhile until I bought Seasons, and I promptly forgot where I got it from. Probably a bit too old to be used. Alot of these great Sims 2 sites have gone under, so many good stuff have either been lost or moved and/or discontinued.


Lily White, I will try working on the laptop-wannabe later and see how it works in FreeTime. I didn't like working with laptops because something funky can always happen with that object.


About the Sunair Light version, I did state I wouldn't update it, but if people want it, I will try to see if I can do that one. If not, I will comment something about this version. Just not sure if the original creator will like having her computer re-distributed elsewhere.

I'm still thinking about whether to update that one or not. Honestly, I am not going to update the Sunair Light version because that computer is someone else's creation that Monique worked on. I don't know where the original Sunair Light computer was uploaded to. And whether the original creator is still around or not to give permission for his/her work to be re-distributed.

But I definitely will think about updating that one.

Okay, thank you, Alexx. I will load my game up and check that out. Be back to post anything I find with this new issue.


**Confirmed**

The issue will be addressed in a minor fix tomorrow (or later today since it is after midnight for me). Thank you, Alexx!

Thank you. I liked most of the features on her computer and actually used most of them for a variety of things like having my lazy sims make other sims write stories for them and so on.

Awesome, edespino. Thanks for your comments.


Monique's Cheap Computer's original version of Write Novel wasn't using the new features FT brought to Write Novel. Hers didn't bring up the options to choose the plot elements and book cover for the new novel, and when the novel was finished, the option to name the book and complete the book description wasn't coming up. So the original Write Novel option was replaced with the new FT Write Novel option to allow people to choose plot elements and bookcovers for their new books on top of naming and describing them.

That's great! Glad to hear that!


Does anyone else have any issue with or comment about the updated version of Monique's Cheap Computer for FreeTime? I certainly hope that you found the updated computer fun to play with.

Edespino, the new version is up now. The Sims (residents, not visitors) should not attempt to study Sewing or Pottery autonomously now.

You're welcome. I've always enjoyed using her computer when I first discovered it at MTS2 around the time I bought Seasons, and I haven't lived without that computer since!


Edespino, I caught the problem with one of my Sims autonomously studying the two new FreeTime badges in my game. A fix will be uploaded later today when I get a chance to.

Check to see if there is a hack conflict. I've looked over the code to see if there was any reason for the autonomous behavior by the sims to study a badge to happen. I don't see how that could happen. Was this on a home or a business lot?


I did my testing without any mods installed except for the "nohumble" mod for the sole purpose of testing the updated version of Monique's Cheap Computer. The only reason for your mod to be installed was to test the Start Gaming Competition and not be bothered by Mr Humble visiting the lot. Naturally, I was curious enough to get my hands on the extracted-made-buyable computer to see how it looks and how it works.

From what I have seen in my game, the buyable computer caused this one to have twice the functions on the pie menu. This shouldn't happen. The other Maxis computers (both Cheap Computer and Expensive Computer) were affected with twice the functions on their pie menus.

All I've done, Pescado, was to add the new features and badges TO the computer. Nothing major was done to overhaul the computer. The work she did was pretty much left intact save for one function - Write Novel - to be made compatible with the FT version of Write Novel.

I would appreciate your help in finding the cause and fixing it to be compatible with your mod. That's the reason I'm asking for help testing the updated version of Monique's Cheap Computer.

The new fix should stop the visitors from using the computer autonomously to study a badge. They shouldn't be allowed to use computers at all when they're visiting someone's home or business.

Okay, I will look into this. One more question though.. Did you use the autonomous or non-autonomous version of "computerfixes"? TwoJeff released two versions of that mod, one is autonomous and the other is not autonomous. If you could tell me which one you have, this would also help alot. Thank you for the feedback.

No offense. I am female irl, Kyna. And yes, I chose the avatar.


I think clarification is in order for this. Both "computerfixes" and "nohumble" mods did not conflict with each other. Those two mods originally conflicted with Monique's Cheap Computer individually. I fixed Monique's Cheap PC to be compatible with the "computerfixes" mod. Part of the "nohumble" mod worked fine preventing Mr Humble from appearing on the lot, but the other part allowing the Mr Humble PC computer to be made buyable was conflicting with not just Monique's Cheap Computer but also with custom and Maxis computers. The extracted computer was causing these computers to have options appearing twice under Play. Jfade's "djshumblechoice" mod worked similarly to yours, except that Mr Humble showed up. I allowed my Sim to accept the gift, and that Mr Humble PC worked fine without causing other computers to have options appearing twice under Play.

I opened up the Mr Humble PC object in SimPE and saw that this object lacked a set of Pie Menu Functions. Why did this object have a missing set of Pie Menu Functions? I'm not sure. I opened up a Maxis Moneywell Cheap Computer to see if this object has a set of Pie Menu Functions or not. This object does have a set.

I concluded that the extracted-made-buyable Mr Humble PC was conflicting with both custom and Maxis computers in a way not intended for the game. Jfade's mod didn't contain an extracted gift or pc to give the Sims, and the PC (that came in the gift left behind by Mr Humble) wasn't conflicting with both custom and Maxis computers.

I do hope this is sufficient information to shed light on the question.


Can you please describe exactly what your Sim was attempting to do when he/she try to study a new badge? Was that attempted on a home lot or a business lot? I would appreciate more information to see how I could help you out with this.