Well I think the "mental issues" associated with teens getting pregnant are *caused* by society's attitude towards it.   Now I am NOT condoning paedophilia, sex with girls or boys who are not physically mature is not healthy or natural.

Let's make it clear I am talking about fully developed young ladies who are old enough to know they want sex and like the idea of a baby.   And this puts them from about 15/16 upwards.  16 is the legal age of consent in this country, and if any girl of that age feels she is ready to begin having children, then society should get behind her and enable her to do so in comfort and happiness.

I am obviously not understanding the conversation bubbles.  How can you tell if they're talking about someone peeing their pants?

Well it shouldn't depend on the maturity of the biological parents.  That only becomes an issue in an isolated nuclear family (mother, father, baby for those who aren't familiar with the term "nuclear family")   With a decent extended family, the tiny children can inherit the vigorous genes of their young parents, the energy of the young parents to play with them, yet benefit from the maturity of the elders for discipline and financial stability.

Let's face it, our society has become so complex and demanding that people are often well into their late 30s before they have got themselves sorted out well enough to feel they can be good parents.   That's sadly often too late for a healthy and successful procreation.   Instead we could have 30-something *grandparents* doing the child-rearing of their grandchildren.  The same workload would befall the same people at the same age, but the gene pool would be healthier.

I think there is too much focus on how to stop young people having babies and not enough on how to enable them to have babies while they are young and healthy and their DNA telomeres have not started breaking down, and how to actually enable them to continue to enjoy their youth  after having given birth.   Ie too much nuclear family going on nowadays.   A baby should be a child of society, not just the responsibility of the mum (and/or dad if he's around).

Next time you see a baby whose mother is dependant on state benefit think:
1) where is the rest of that baby's family?
2) this is a small price to pay for the kid who might become the doctor who saves my life.

Well, the Sims have the ability to know what the other sim thinks of them, so what's wrong with using it?

Apparently it's a legal requirement to assign a sex to a baby soon after birth.  It can be *changed* but cannot be blank.   I was reading a few sites about ambiguous birth sex babies and there were so many werid combinations of chromosome and genitalia etc etc that often it just comes down to throwing a dice.  Having made the decision, they are then forced to grow up with it unless a big fuss is gone through later to get it changed.

And apparently many of us so-called "normal" men and women are going through life never knowing that we have chromosomes different to our apparent sex!   Influences in the womb can set about the entire sex differentiation process in a direction other than that suggested by the chromosomes!   That was really new to me.

I would think therefore that it is gender that should be considered in social speech, not sex.  If someone with a biological sex of male considers themselves to be of female gender, then it would be appropriate to refer to them as "she" - so that's gender, not sex.

Well it keeps me quiet - look, I only lost one pair of lips up till now

I was most put out when my mother tactfully corrected my prononciation of "bargain".  I had been thinking it was "barjain" and it used to put my teeth on edge using the hard g in that word.  I was only about 8 or 9

Well...  of course you can become fond of someone by fantasizing about them.  I do hope that's not what the Sims are doing in the bath under all those bubbles...

I love that Boston accent!  Boarston; Dr Digoroarlami;  that "oar" sound for the 'o's.  That's my favourite American accent    I fell in love with it during the Louise Woodward trial.

Most of that is just the forum software behaving unpredictably.  Maybe people who are banned from posting do get their green squares stripped automatically.  And there's recently been a spate of people shut out accidentally, as some people in this thread found out.  You have to have eyes at the bottom of your feet to control these forum apps properly :0

You're both getting into a real state over this, you should both just enjoy the individually very good sites you each have now and let the whole thing go.  I've said much the same to her, that it's not worth getting wound up about.   There's just a whole load of misunderstandings and paranoia taking over and the whole thing is setting an appalling example to any easily influenced people reading it.

Oh god, having red quares is about as important as having rude rank titles!

In fact I just checked with Rentechd and she says he still had posting rights there and posted it himself on the date as displayed.

Honestly Pescado I do wish you'd stop playing with human beings and their feelings as if they were your Sims.   It's one thing messing about and playing a joke, but you're going too far now and Rennie is genuinely upset by the things you've been saying.   Please just leave it out now.

It was written by Pescado.  I remember seeing that thread before the thread was moved, and at the time it was originally posted it was in reply to someone asking where Pescado was going.   He replied to it himself as he still had posting rights.

In recent days, Rennie must have split the message from the thread so that it could go in the site links forum, where it had a better chance of people finding it when they searched.   That would have given it a new datestamp.   It's just good housekeeping to put messages in the forum people would most expect to find them in.

Well yes but it's a bizarre idea to think that she might be posting site ads to his site in her name.  She barely has time to post the stuff she's meant to let alone post for other people 

What?!?  Rennie's posting under your name?   No I think what she probably did was edit down the comments and just left your reply there.   She does delete comments in those threads to keep them as news or announcements only.  I think you did post that but it was not the first message in the thread before.

I don't use either of those hacks, and I frequently get dormies apparently in a coma in corridors and other spaces.   No harm seems to come to them, eventually they come round and get on with their lives.  They can be in suspended animation for days!

I'm not really all that keen on ranks and reputation points and all that.  It seems to encourage people to focus on the wrong things.  I got rid of the posting ranks, and everyone is just "registered" from 0 upwards.   On my forums the ideology is I'm boss and everyone else is equal under me lol. 

Do you mean on his account at VS?   It could be an unavoidable software side-effect of being on moderated status, or could be the side-taking phenomenon.  I don't think either Pescado or Rentechd are that petty minded, but some younger or less well-grounded people might have started playing pranks on "the other side" as they see it.

Well that's a great speech, all of it perfectly true about this site - but what about my actual point?   Has Rentechd censored her forums so that people can't see links to this site on there, or has she not?   I don't mind who it is, which side it is, if I see an untrue statement or misleading comment I am going to chime in.   I doubt if she left the link there by mistake, which means she has taken the decision to allow people to find this site in the same forum they find all the other sites - the very place they'd think of looking for a link to a site in fact.

I appreciate your kind comments about my objects, but this is not about who makes the best hacks, it's about fair representation of facts.

Thanks    :hugz:

Anyone thinking that links to this site have been purged from VS, here is the pointer to the MATY thread in the Site Links section at VS, where I too have a link to my site in common with several other sites.  It seems fairly standard in the community to allow one link per other person's site?   MATY on the other hand, has *nowhere* for other sites to post their links.   One "censorship" battle point to VS, I think.

http://www.variousimmers.net/vsimforum/showthread.php?t=1570

Don't get too excited yet, I've got a hell of a lot to learn about Sims 2 modding before I can even make the first plans for something that complex     I'm having enough trouble with the school, though fortunately prison is just a case of doors locking at the right time, so I've got a good set of stuff for that already

Well that's up to you if you want to spend your time doing more or less the same as someone else is doing.  Maybe you feel you have eternity stretching ahead of you.  If I was starting to make a mousetrap or whatever you're using as an example, and I found out you were starting to do the same thing, I would stop work on mine and move onto something new.   Too short a life, too many new challenges...

Let me know if you're intending to do a Sims2 Hospital project, cos people have started asking, and I would welcome any excuse not to have to approach it