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Title: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 08, 02:14:51
There is a shiny tutorial available at Reclaim Your Game (http://www.reclaimyourgame.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68&Itemid=40). It has pictures!

There is also a handy removal tool HERE (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,9929.msg428248.html#msg428248).


Revised 8/4/08
Rewrite notes
LAST EP is used to refer to the last EP you have installed. You only have to worry about applying a crack to that one. This could be BV, FreeTime, ApartmentLife…whichever is the last-released one you have.

How do I get rid of that nasty, interfering DRM?
Quote from: muridae
Download regdelnull.exe and place it in C:\
Go to "Run" and type in "cmd", then type the following:

cd C:\
regdelnull hkcu -s
regdelnull hku -s
 
The two regdelnull calls above will scan the whole of HKEY_CURRENT_USER (abbreviated to HKCU) and HKEY_USERS (abbreviated to HKU). It's possible you may find other null registry keys during the scans, since you're not targeting *just* the SecuROM keys doing it this way. regdelnull will prompt you with the full pathname of every key it finds though, which will contain the name "SecuROM" if it's one of the ones you're after, so you can check names and only respond "y" to delete those two.

Follow the guidelines below ripped from http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/98241-13-remove-securom-malware-uninstalling-bioshock-demo:
Quote
* Step 3: Removal of the Securom service and related utilities.
Open a Windows command prompt and change directory to "c:\windows\system32". Type "uaservice7 /remove". This will stop the Securom user access service, and clean up its relevant registry entries. On the Windows command prompt type "regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll". Reboot and then manually delete the files "uaservice7.exe" and "cmdlineext.dll" from "c:\windows\system32". Note: Both of these files are Securom installed files which can be verified by checking their file properties (Right click - Properties).
 
* Step 4: Removal of Securom files under "C:\Documents and Settings".
Securom installs a hidden directory with 6 files under "C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Administrator name>\Application Data\Securom". The first 4 ordinary text files can simply be manually deleted once Windows explorer has been configured to show hidden files and folders. The two remaining malformed nominally unremoveable files require a special method to delete: Invoke a Windows command prompt with full Administrator privileges by typing the following into a Windows command prompt: "at <your current time + 1 minute> /interactive %systemroot%\system32\cmd.exe" e.g. "at 9:02pm /interactive %systemroot%\system32\cmd.exe". This will open a new Administrator command line when the time set has been attained. In this new command prompt change directory into the Securom folder e.g. "cd C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Administrator name>\Application Data\Securom". Issue the following command to show the two remaining hidden malformed files: "dir /A". To delete the two remaining hidden malformed files issue the following command: "del /F /AH *". Confirm "yes" for each of the two file deletions of the malformed files. Finally, the directory "C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Administrator name>\Application Data\Securom" can be deleted as per normal practice from within Windows explorer.

2. Double check your registry files. Still see any keys under HKEY_CURRENT_USER---Software---Securom? Just delete the suckers. Won't blow up.

3. If that damned SecuRom folder still can't be deleted, even after correctly following the instructions above, download DelinvFile from http://www.purgeie.com/delinv/dldelinv.htm . Run the executable and find the C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR NAME HERE\Application Data\Securom folder and open the sub-folder. (Sorry, mine's gone, but I believe it was named "User Data"). On the right, choose each malformed file and delete. Go back into My Computer and delete that SecuRom folder for once and all.

4. To not get it again, you need to start loading from a no-CD crack. I get mine at gamecopyworld.com. I recommend any versions by Fairlight. Make sure that, if you have patched your game, you get the patched version of the crack. Go to "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 LAST EP\TSBin" and change the name of the crack to whatever you like. Then place the crack in the same folder. Make a shortcut to this on your desktop, and run the game from this new shortcut.

I haven't yet installed one of those SecuROM EPs. How do I make sure I never have to deal with this?
Simple. Follow #4. Get a no-cd crack. Use it and never use the game's included Sims2EP#.exe (where # is the number of your last EP), which is the file that contains SecuRom.

Random Questions that have popped up since the opening post:
See this post. (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,9929.msg359618.html#msg359618)


Moderator edit: added a link to the Reclaim Your Game Securom Removal Batch file


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Solowren on 2007 October 08, 02:17:02
Yeah... about that original .exe renaming thing. I didn't do that. My original .exe is history. Am I going to need it if I decide to patch?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 08, 02:33:02
Yeah... about that original .exe renaming thing. I didn't do that. My original .exe is history. Am I going to need it if I decide to patch?
Maybe. I accidentally patched Seasons once with the crack in and it went. I'd imagine (and I'm talking out of my ass at the moment) that it depends on where the patch is making changes.

Here (http://www.4shared.com/file/25915059/68fd6e04/Sims2EP6bak.html). My 4shared drive still has a lot of room left in it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Solowren on 2007 October 08, 02:47:04
Thanks. I'd rather be safe than sorry.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2007 October 08, 02:54:32
How do you check your registry? My brother built my computer and if I have any problems, he usually takes care of it, but he's not awake now. And I've never had to do anything with the registry before.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Paperbladder on 2007 October 08, 03:01:47
How do you check your registry? My brother built my computer and if I have any problems, he usually takes care of it, but he's not awake now. And I've never had to do anything with the registry before.
Regedit or Powershell.  For Regedit do Start > Run and type in regedit in the box (In Vista, just type regedit in the startmenu box).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tigerlilley on 2007 October 08, 03:07:50
Can we sticky this please.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Invisigoth on 2007 October 08, 03:08:25
Yeah... about that original .exe renaming thing. I didn't do that. My original .exe is history. Am I going to need it if I decide to patch?

It doesn't matter that the original exe is gone; you can get a clean .exe from the disc. Click explore and then open the TSBin folder. Copy the Sims2EP6.exe and paste it here: C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 Bon Voyage\TSBin.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Flamingo on 2007 October 08, 03:20:36
Alright, maybe I'm mildly retarded here, but I can't seem to download the fixed executable file.

Edit: Never mind, it appears that neither Firefox nor Opera could download it, strangely. Internet Explorer worked just fine.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2007 October 08, 04:19:34
I can't get that RegDelNull program to work. I downloaded it, extracted it and when I double click on the file, a box pops up for a fraction of a second, and nothing else happens. Is there some trick to the program?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 08, 05:07:16
You don't actually run RegDelNull. You just install it on C:\. Then go to the Windows command prompt and follow the rest of the directions.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2007 October 08, 05:25:57
I did that, but I'm unsure what to do next. My brother told me to go to Start/Run and type in "cmd". Well, I did that, but then when I typed in that first line it tells you to enter, I got some message about C:\ not being a command or something. I think it's because it's already pointing to my My Documents folder and I can't figure out how to get rid of it. My brother said he hasn't used that in ages, so he doesn't remember.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SimKat on 2007 October 08, 05:57:38
Yeah I did this about a week back and it works,no more sukurom on this PC.
I mailed this link too a friend so she could get it off her comp as well.Thanks Zaz.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dusty on 2007 October 08, 06:02:17
I did that, but I'm unsure what to do next. My brother told me to go to Start/Run and type in "cmd". Well, I did that, but then when I typed in that first line it tells you to enter, I got some message about C:\ not being a command or something. I think it's because it's already pointing to my My Documents folder and I can't figure out how to get rid of it. My brother said he hasn't used that in ages, so he doesn't remember.

I don't think it's advisable to mess with the registry if you don't know how to use some simple DOS commands. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2007 October 08, 06:11:50
I did that, but I'm unsure what to do next. My brother told me to go to Start/Run and type in "cmd". Well, I did that, but then when I typed in that first line it tells you to enter, I got some message about C:\ not being a command or something. I think it's because it's already pointing to my My Documents folder and I can't figure out how to get rid of it. My brother said he hasn't used that in ages, so he doesn't remember.

I don't think it's advisable to mess with the registry if you don't know how to use some simple DOS commands. 

Ok, then how else can I get rid of SecuROM?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Paperbladder on 2007 October 08, 06:27:13
The reason you're having problems is that RegDelNull probably isn't installed.  The OP did a poor job of checking the link.

Go to http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/regdelnull.mspx, download RegDelNull and place it in C:\, then you'll be able to run the command.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Venusy on 2007 October 08, 06:36:13
I think the problem is actually that ShortyBoo doesn't know how to do a cd command.

Stickied, and added to the FAQ.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2007 October 08, 06:37:05
Ok, here's the problem. When I open up the DOS prompt, I get this: http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8803/yafsscreen003gh0.jpg If I type anything, it tells me it's not a correct path, but I can't figure out how to remove what's already there (the C:\Documents and Settings/Krystan) Does that make any sense? I'm not exactly computer illiterate, (I manage to do most basic stuff like formatting drives, installing parts, etc) but I've just never had any reason to do anything in DOS.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dusty on 2007 October 08, 06:42:07
Ok, here's the problem. When I open up the DOS prompt, I get this: http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8803/yafsscreen003gh0.jpg If I type anything, it tells me it's not a correct path, but I can't figure out how to remove what's already there (the C:\Documents and Settings/Krystan) Does that make any sense? I'm not exactly computer illiterate, (I manage to do most basic stuff like formatting drives, installing parts, etc) but I've just never had any reason to do anything in DOS.

Type
cd c:\windows\system32


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Raene on 2007 October 08, 07:20:46
Not for the RegDelNull portion of the instructions, if ShortyBoo did unzip it to C:. You have to be in the same directory as the program to use the program.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dusty on 2007 October 08, 07:36:16
Oh right, I was reading steps ahead of that.  Then type "cd\"  to get back to C: (no quotes) shorty. 
This site may help http://www.computerhope.com/cdhlp.htm


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Akharra on 2007 October 08, 12:32:31
Fankoo!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 08, 15:19:51
The reason you're having problems is that RegDelNull probably isn't installed.  The OP did a poor job of checking the link.

Go to http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/regdelnull.mspx, download RegDelNull and place it in C:\, then you'll be able to run the command.
Ahem...
I think the problem is actually that ShortyBoo doesn't know how to do a cd command.
Precisely, and if you read the quoted material (not my work, but I wasn't going to retype something that was already there), it stated to download it and put it into C:\, not to run it. However, I understand the temptation. Ya'd think that, given an .exe, you should run it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lefty on 2007 October 08, 19:55:32
Alrighty folks, so for being unawesome. Got to this step and am a little stuck.

(http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/Untitled_2c76.jpg) (http://imagesocket.com/view/Untitled_2c76.jpg)

Where can I find the Computer specific key? I tried the numbers on one of the folders, and then I clicked around in all those folders looking for something similiar to what is in the instructions, but I stumped at the moment.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 08, 20:22:11
Is down lower. Under HKEY_USERS. It doesn't reference SecuRom, but is in that super-long s-1-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxxxx-xxxx format.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JacquiES on 2007 October 08, 20:24:48
Something interesting.  I have vista, and two admin accounts.  One for the usual high visual fun stuff and one for the sims 2.  

When I went to look for secuROM, I couldn't find it on the first one, which is odd because that is where I install the games due to the fact that I am mainly on it.  Just for shits and giggles I looked under the sims 2 account today, and there is secuROM in my registry.  For some reason it can't be found in the registry on my main account, but it is in the registry on my sims account.  Thought I was in the clear, now it is time to get that shit off.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lefty on 2007 October 08, 20:33:27
Thanks Zazazu, and here's one more. I don't wanna muck about in the registry too much because I'll probably break something, so I'm gonna ask to make double sure :)

(http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/Untitled_38e6.jpg) (http://imagesocket.com/view/Untitled_38e6.jpg)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: laylei on 2007 October 08, 21:50:21
Thanks Zazazu, and here's one more. I don't wanna muck about in the registry too much because I'll probably break something, so I'm gonna ask to make double sure :)

(http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/Untitled_38e6.jpg) (http://imagesocket.com/view/Untitled_38e6.jpg)

I have the same thing, which one is it? *knows nothing about registries or anything, but doesn't want SecuRom on her computer, damnit!*


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lemonfresh on 2007 October 08, 22:01:11
Thanks Zazazu, and here's one more. I don't wanna muck about in the registry too much because I'll probably break something, so I'm gonna ask to make double sure :)

I have the same thing, which one is it? *knows nothing about registries or anything, but doesn't want SecuRom on her computer, damnit!*



Just the one that does NOT have "classes" appended to the end.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Li'l Brudder on 2007 October 08, 22:31:41
Here are the files and steps for winning.

1. Open the run dialog and type "services.msc"
   a. Look for SecuROM.
2. Open the run dialog and type "regedit"
   a. Look for SecuROM under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE...Software
   b. If there are no SecuROM, you can haz no security.
   c. If there are, continue reading to find out how to successfully dismantle your computer remove SecuROM.
3. Download "TrashReg" and derar it.  Run it.  Look for the !DO NOT DELETE! key by going to File...Find Keys with NULL -embedded names...Check ALL boxes.
4. Right click the !DO NOT DELETE! key and delete it.
5. Download and run CureSecuROMeng.  It'll do its thing.
6. Open up RegEdit again and try to find SecuROM.  If it is gone, yey.  If not, you fail at life.

It'll re-add itself every time if you don't have a NoCD crack.  Find one yourself.  They're ALL OVER!

TrashReg (http://www.4shared.com/file/25879006/8bff1e6d/trashreg.html)
CureSecuROM (http://www.4shared.com/file/25878993/9d3a0d41/CureSecuROMEng.html)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JacquiES on 2007 October 08, 23:22:33
Question with the creating an image of my disc and running it from there.  This will still work with JM's hacks right?  i am assuming it will but just wanted to check.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lefty on 2007 October 09, 00:14:17
Just the one that does NOT have "classes" appended to the end.

Alright thanks a ton, now I'm one more user who is securom free. I followed all the rest of the steps correctly, though I did not have the uaservice7 file (though I did have the cmdlineext one).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2007 October 09, 02:52:53
Question with the creating an image of my disc and running it from there.  This will still work with JM's hacks right?  i am assuming it will but just wanted to check.

Yes, the hacks run with the game; the CD (or image) is only checked to see that you have a legal copy.  But running from an image doesn't solve the SecuROM problem, because it's the .exe that installs it as it checks to see if the valid CD is there.  You have to run with a no-cd .exe to prevent SecuROM from installing again.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: miramis on 2007 October 09, 11:44:13
I'm a Vista 64bit user and could not find the UAService7 at all, after running through all the other steps though and before rebooting I did see a service belonging to Sony DADC called something like CmdLineEXT_x64 (I forget exactly what it was but it was something very close to that).  After the reboot to finish the removal procedures it was gone.

*edited* I forgot to say thankyou to all who have contributed to this thread, I couldn't have done it without you  ;)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: muridae on 2007 October 09, 20:13:14
Thanks for starting this thread, Zazazu. It's nice to be able to find the removal information easily.  :)

By way of thanks I offer up an easier way of deleting the registry keys via regdelnull that doesn't involve typing in that mindbogglingly long computer specific key.

Replace this step from the first post:

Quote
* Step 2: Remove the Securom registry entries.
The Securom registry entries are deliberately made non-removable by default. In order to remove them download the http://www.microsoft.com/technet/s [...] lNull.mspx RegDelNull registry editing utility from Microsoft and install it on your C partition. 
Run the following two commands from a Windows command prompt: "C:\regdelnull HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SecuROM -s" and "C:\regdelnull HKEY_USERS\<Computer specific key>\Software\SecuROM -s" where "<Computer specific key>" can be determined by searching the registry for the "Securom" directory key. This "<Computer specific key>" typically has a form like "S-1-5-21-2052111302-1757341266-724545543-500". Once these two RegDelNull commands have been successfully issued the registry should be checked to confirm that these two keys have been deleted. If they are still present they will now be removeable due to the action of the RegDelNull utility.

with this:

Download regdelnull.exe and place it in C:\
Go to "Run" and type in "cmd", then type the following:

cd C:\
regdelnull hkcu -s
regdelnull hku -s
 
The two regdelnull calls above will scan the whole of HKEY_CURRENT_USER (abbreviated to HKCU) and HKEY_USERS (abbreviated to HKU). It's possible you may find other null registry keys during the scans, since you're not targeting *just* the SecuROM keys doing it this way. regdelnull will prompt you with the full pathname of every key it finds though, which will contain the name "SecuROM" if it's one of the ones you're after, so you can check names and only respond "y" to delete those two.

* goes back to lurking again *


Edit to add: If you're the only user on the machine and log in as administrator, you may find that there's not a key to delete under HKEY_USERS once you've done the delete from HKEY_CURRENT_USERS. The HKEY_CURRENT_USERS subkeys are all built from information in HKEY_USERS at the time you boot the PC, so deleting the key there seems to clobber the other one as well. It's probably as well to run the scan for both just to make sure all traces are gone though.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 09, 20:37:20
Apologies if this has already been covered (a quick scan of the thread suggests it has not,) but I installed BV and immediately replaced the .exe with the no-CD version before I ever started the game up, and while I did get an empty SecuROM directory and an !!OMG DO NOT DELETE!! registry key, as far as I can tell SecuROM was never properly activated on my system.  No processes to cancel or files to delete and the game ran without a hitch even before I axed the stuff I did find.  Perhaps this should be the recommended install procedure?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 09, 21:05:30
It's definitely the recommended install procedure. If you never run it from the original .exe (which is what contains the poison) you can't get SecuRom. Will add notation. For your suggestion and Muridae's.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mildlydisguised on 2007 October 09, 21:45:41
I found that I didn't need to do the regdelnull steps after I had used TrashReg and CureSecuROM, although I didn't have any SecuROM entries under HKEY_USERS from the beginning.  I also didn't have SecuROM in services.msc but then I installed from a pirate image as my proper disc had not yet arrived - not sure whether that makes a difference.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: evilragdoll on 2007 October 10, 00:08:30
Is there a possibility for secuROM reinstalling itself if I decide to install the new BV patch?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 October 10, 00:44:37
Yes. The patch would replace or be incompatible with your new noCD, in all likelyhood, so it will no longer function.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SNUGGLES on 2007 October 10, 01:16:23
Hey I am hoping that one of you tech savy gamers can help me out here.

I am trying to remove this securom crap off my nephew's pc.  Sadly though he has windows vista ultimate.  Everytime he tries to run trashreg  it keeps giving him an error message saying that " this program needs MSVBVM50.dll which is no longer included in this version of windows"
I am at a loss as to what to do.  Does anyone know of a way to get this off a windows vista ultimate pc without reformatting?

Thanks!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 10, 01:27:44
Vista is teh evilz. I thought someone with vista had reported that trashreg worked for them?
Is that dll file just not included in vista or does it not work in vista? If its just not included but still functions as it should then you should just be able to download a replacement dll file and stick it in your windows32 file. someone with some vista experience please educate me.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SNUGGLES on 2007 October 10, 01:30:35
Hell, I will give that a shot.  Thanks.  :D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: syberspunk on 2007 October 10, 18:50:15
Yes. The patch would replace or be incompatible with your new noCD, in all likelyhood, so it will no longer function.

So, it would be pointless to go through the process of removing SecuROM if you updated with the patch.

And we'll have to wait for a new hax0red no-cd patched .exe, right?


Ste


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: FourCats on 2007 October 10, 21:26:04
Yes. The patch would replace or be incompatible with your new noCD, in all likelyhood, so it will no longer function.

So, it would be pointless to go through the process of removing SecuROM if you updated with the patch.

And we'll have to wait for a new hax0red no-cd patched .exe, right?


Ste

Well for me it wasn't a problem.
I downloaded and installed the patch, which over wrote my no-cd hack
so I reapplied the no-cd patch
And I'm playing  the game as I type.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 10, 21:55:53
Well for me it wasn't a problem.
I downloaded and installed the patch, which over wrote my no-cd hack
so I reapplied the no-cd patch
And I'm playing  the game as I type.

Are you seeing any performance improvements?  I'd think that overwriting the new .exe would bollux up at least some of the fixes in the Maxis patch, though if some of the changes were to objects.package or other files then you might still get some benefit with an "unholy hybrid" configuration.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 10, 23:33:01
Bad advice..

If you use a patch that patches the exe file and then overwrite that exe file with a nocd crack that was made based on an earlier exe build, you're most likely going to limit some of the fixes the patch brought to the table.  On top of that, some hacks have to be re-done when a patch is released.  Those hacks may have an issue since the nocd crack will show that the game is an earlier build and not the newer build.  And there is a possiblity no new nocd crack will be made.  I'm pretty sure they never made a new one when Seasons was patched, they just made an image file you can use daemon and yasu with. 

Ubisoft, Eidos, EA Games, Konami, and Rockstar are just a few of the publishers who use securom and who will be using the newer version.  Ubi is going to be releasing some pretty fun games in the next few months.  So if you're a gamer, I'd just get used to securom because even you get a nocd crack, chances are they'll patch the game and you'll need the patch.  And since there's never a guarantee of a new nocd crack being made for a patched exe, you'd be stuck using the image file or the cd and need securom.

Securom is about as bright as the drm shit sony made for wma files.  But the publishers are so paranoid about piracy that they're just ignoring the fact that software like securom and starforce are crap.  Starforce was by far worse than securom but Ubi and a few others finally dropped it, thankfully. 



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: veilchen on 2007 October 10, 23:46:19
I'm not a rigid person, never was, but I do have principles. I will not allow anyone to install something on my computer that has the potential power to override my set-ups/instructions/whathaveyou. I rather go without those fun games than do that. I go back to console before I do that, or re-discover older, also fun games that don't mess with my computer and my sole authority over it.

Maybe, if enough people get pissed off enough, this will open the door for smaller companies that have until now never had a chance. If they are smart, they'll use protection ware that is not malicious, a rootkit, or spyware. I for one would gladly switch to them.

I will not get used to it, not now, not ever. That's what they're banking on, but I'm not biting. I might be just one person, but I will not go against my firm beliefs or my principles - ever. No game ever invented will be able to do that.

Ahem... Battleship anyone? I'll supply paper and pencil.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: FourCats on 2007 October 10, 23:48:18
Well for me it wasn't a problem.
I downloaded and installed the patch, which over wrote my no-cd hack
so I reapplied the no-cd patch
And I'm playing  the game as I type.

Are you seeing any performance improvements?  I'd think that overwriting the new .exe would bollux up at least some of the fixes in the Maxis patch, though if some of the changes were to objects.package or other files then you might still get some benefit with an "unholy hybrid" configuration.

not yet.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: prattle on 2007 October 10, 23:56:11
Bad advice..

If you use a patch that patches the exe file and then overwrite that exe file with a nocd crack that was made based on an earlier exe build, you're most likely going to limit some of the fixes the patch brought to the table.  On top of that, some hacks have to be re-done when a patch is released.  Those hacks may have an issue since the nocd crack will show that the game is an earlier build and not the newer build.  And there is a possiblity no new nocd crack will be made.  I'm pretty sure they never made a new one when Seasons was patched, they just made an image file you can use daemon and yasu with. 

Ubisoft, Eidos, EA Games, Konami, and Rockstar are just a few of the publishers who use securom and who will be using the newer version.  Ubi is going to be releasing some pretty fun games in the next few months.  So if you're a gamer, I'd just get used to securom because even you get a nocd crack, chances are they'll patch the game and you'll need the patch.  And since there's never a guarantee of a new nocd crack being made for a patched exe, you'd be stuck using the image file or the cd and need securom.

Securom is about as bright as the drm shit sony made for wma files.  But the publishers are so paranoid about piracy that they're just ignoring the fact that software like securom and starforce are crap.  Starforce was by far worse than securom but Ubi and a few others finally dropped it, thankfully. 


And there's a better alternative? I'm not the kind of person who would normally get into warez at all, but right now it looks like the better alternative to invasive copy protection is either pirating games or buying a console and swearing off PC gaming. Is either good for EA or the gaming industry as a whole?
I'm reluctant to remove SecuROM because I'm worried about Civilization 4: Beyond the Sword not working (thank you, 2K Games!) but then again, Bioshock broke people's Beyond The Sword game with incompatibility between games running different versions of SecuROM 7. I realize it's probably a corporate decision by EA to include SecuROM 7 on all their games and Sims players are just getting caught in it, but what else can we do?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 11, 00:36:30
Going the the booty route doesn't necessarily mean you'll be avoiding securom.  A few of the scenes are pirating the games but using image files instead of nocd cracks to allow the player to just mount the image with daemon, use yasu to hide daemon from securom and then play the game.  But securom is still active at that point.  A few of the other scenes are still releasing games with nocd cracks, however they're not updating those nocd cracks everytime there's a patch.  I mean some games have 3-4 patches before everything is taken care of, can't expect the scenes to keep up with that.  But it depends on the popularity of the game, not how many are playing but who.  The sims seems to be loved by many but hated by those who are more into the pirating thing.  Every time a sims game is pirated a ton of guys bitch about how the game is for women, or they'll download it and swear to everyone they're downloading it for their girlfriend.  Which is fitting since in theory, their hand is their girlfriend and it also controls the mouse so it isn't an all out lie.

I'm avoiding Bioshock regardless of the fact there are two pirated versions.  One goes the image route the other is a nocd crack.  The problem of course is that bioshock will without a doubt be patched a few times to resolve some of the issues, that means if I use the nocd crack, I'll have to replace it with the original exe to patch it.. and then wait on a new nocd crack if it ever gets released.  It's just to much of a headache. 

If you're using Xp.. what you can do is create a new user account.. install the sims on that account.  Set it to where it isn't accessible to other users.  That way when you go into your other user account, securom shouldn't be present..

I think that would work..  I mean in theory it'll still be on the hard drive.. but if I remember right.. securom installs in c:\documents and settings\username\blah blah..  If it does that, that would mean the other user account wouldn't have to worry about it..



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: veilchen on 2007 October 11, 00:44:29
I believe I asked that before, but I don't think I got any kind of answer.

If you install the game on a peripheral hard drive (one you plug in via usb port) will SecuRom still infest your main drive? Your partition advise reminded me of that. If that's possible, then installing on a plug-in drive should do the same. Yes? No? Maybe? Do I not know what I'm talking about? I'm not at all tech savvy, and I've learned a lot the last couple of days. So please enlighten me.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2007 October 11, 00:56:51
I actually did that. I installed it on my peripheral hard drive. However, I installed it while running my main hard drive; that is, the peripheral hard drive was connected, and I instructed the installer to put it on there. SecuRom still managed it's way into my registry.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: veilchen on 2007 October 11, 01:04:07
Bleh, there goes that easy solution. But just like some other easy outs, it sounded too good to be true anyway.
Thanks Kutto.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lovesimsKL on 2007 October 11, 01:14:57
I have been waiting to see if anyone asked this and I have read the whole thread but I can't find the answer.

I stupidly downloaded H&M and BV from EA Link. Do I need to worry about SecuROM with H&M or can I deal with it by removing it and getting the nocd crack for BV? Secondly since I do not have a "cd" do I still use the nocd crack for BV?

I'm sorry if these are n00b questions  :-\.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: moonsgal on 2007 October 11, 01:24:30
Securom runs/installs in the .exe application. H&M really didn't use securom, only safe disc cause it was only seasons.exe was required to load the game, but thats changed with bv. It would only be necessarily to run a no cdcrack for bon voyage.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lovesimsKL on 2007 October 11, 01:35:00
Thanks :) That's what I thought I just wanted to make sure.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: baaaflatfit on 2007 October 11, 01:54:38
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H&M really didn't use securom, only safe disc


Nope.  H&M used SecuRom, and did install it -- especially for those who 1) downloaded it from EA, and/or 2) have limited Windows accounts (non-admin).

Max


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2007 October 11, 02:02:33
I think maybe we're all overlooking the point that with sims games prior to BV, it didn't really matter if the no-cd.exe was updated, since you could apply the patch and still run it with an image -- Safedisc didn't care. However, with all these newer games going to SecuROM, perhaps the no-cd makers will continue updating the .exes to keep SecuROM off their systems.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 11, 02:36:47
Maxis began using Securom on every sims release since April of 2007. 

I don't do the stuff discs.. so I'm not sure whats on those.  But I read on the Maxis board that the H&M did have securom.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 11, 04:16:47
Going the the booty route doesn't necessarily mean you'll be avoiding securom.  A few of the scenes are pirating the games but using image files instead of nocd cracks to allow the player to just mount the image with daemon, use yasu to hide daemon from securom and then play the game.  But securom is still active at that point.  A few of the other scenes are still releasing games with nocd cracks, however they're not updating those nocd cracks everytime there's a patch.  I mean some games have 3-4 patches before everything is taken care of, can't expect the scenes to keep up with that.  But it depends on the popularity of the game, not how many are playing but who.  The sims seems to be loved by many but hated by those who are more into the pirating thing.  Every time a sims game is pirated a ton of guys bitch about how the game is for women, or they'll download it and swear to everyone they're downloading it for their girlfriend.  Which is fitting since in theory, their hand is their girlfriend and it also controls the mouse so it isn't an all out lie.
Deviancy, we're talking about SecuRom as it pertains to playing the Sims2 here, not any other game that someone may get at some other point and choose or not choose to patch. No one here is saying that you must get rid of SecuRom, just if you want to...this is how. The no-CD crack I mention does not contain SecuRom.

Some don't like having SecuRom because they don't like that the EAxis of EAvil installed it on their system without prior notification...not even stating that there was 3rd party software included. I'm one of those. Some don't like having SecuRom on their system because it has caused problems with making other software not work, or CD drives not work, or antivirus programs not work. I'm also one of those.

EAxis patches are notoriously crap which breaks just as much as it fixes. Most of us here go to this site for our "patches" because they work better and don't contain the same bloated twisted twine-code that caused the problems in the first place.

It's not bad advice. It's a solution that you can choose to use. If you fuck it up later by installing something else with SecuRom on it, well, that's your fault. And guess what? You can follow the same directions again and get it off your system.

*gets back in her rocking chair and mumbles about know-it-all kids these days*

Oh, and what kind of stupid guy has to lie and say he got the Sims for his girlfriend? Sounds like someone has adequacy issues. Or someone else is talking out of their ass.  ::)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: shanpooter on 2007 October 11, 05:14:31
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"C:\regdelnull HKEY_USERS\<Computer specific key>\Software\SecuROM -s" where "<Computer specific key>" can be determined by searching the registry for the "Securom" directory key. This "<Computer specific key>" typically has a form like "S-1-5-21-2052111302-1757341266-724545543-500".

I performed this step and upon restarting my computer, my display settings have returned to the defaults.  My desktop wallpaper, the color of my taskbar, the stupid language bar was back, etc.  My computer otherwise seems to be running fine, but have I done something terribly wrong here?  I know it was this step because prior to doing it I had restarted windows, and restarted again after.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: torawashi on 2007 October 11, 05:59:00
For the people who can't find uaservice7.exe, I had the same problem. I simply ignored the step that called for stopping the process/deleting the file, and the removal worked just fine. I was able to run the game with the no-CD crack, and there's no sign of SecuRom.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Azrael on 2007 October 11, 06:06:38
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Oh, and what kind of stupid guy has to lie and say he got the Sims for his girlfriend? Sounds like someone has adequacy issues.

I'll admit that I told a few of my friends this very thing. But then, those few particular friends of mine aren't exactly open-minded, so.... I mean let's face it - although it's pretty hard to just come out and assume these things without polling people, but I'd be willing to put money down and say that mostly girls play The Sims. My main reasoning (and I'll admit as well that it's kinda flimsy..) being that it's awfully hard to find a comparable selection of male skins and hair to the female ones... just look over at MTS2... You don't even have to actually LOOK at all of them (though I'm pretty sure most of the male hairdos were designed by girls..) - just the number of pages. Pretty steep difference, really..

Alright, I've talked out my ass enough. Bring on your worst!  ;D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Nimmie on 2007 October 11, 07:10:26
Nevermind. I fixed.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: muridae on 2007 October 11, 12:46:16
For the people who can't find uaservice7.exe, I had the same problem. I simply ignored the step that called for stopping the process/deleting the file, and the removal worked just fine.

When you say that you ignored the step because that service (uaservice7.exe) didn't exist, did you still do the rest of the step and unregister cmdlineext.dll?

As I understand it, you only get the uaservice7.exe service installed if you're running Bon Voyage under a limited (non-Adminstrator) account. SecuROM needs that service to give it administrator-like privilege in an account that shouldn't have that, which to me is one of the more worrying low-level activities it gets up to on your computer.

cmdlineext.dll seems to get installed no matter what kind of account you're running the game under, so you need to look for it even if you don't find uaservice7.exe. If it's there in C:\Windows\system32, run "regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll" to unregister it, reboot, and then delete the file.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 11, 14:49:52
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Oh, and what kind of stupid guy has to lie and say he got the Sims for his girlfriend? Sounds like someone has adequacy issues.

I'll admit that I told a few of my friends this very thing. But then, those few particular friends of mine aren't exactly open-minded, so.... I mean let's face it - although it's pretty hard to just come out and assume these things without polling people, but I'd be willing to put money down and say that mostly girls play The Sims. My main reasoning (and I'll admit as well that it's kinda flimsy..) being that it's awfully hard to find a comparable selection of male skins and hair to the female ones... just look over at MTS2... You don't even have to actually LOOK at all of them (though I'm pretty sure most of the male hairdos were designed by girls..) - just the number of pages. Pretty steep difference, really..

Alright, I've talked out my ass enough. Bring on your worst!  ;D
Oh, my friends think I'm a total dork because I talk about my simmies to them...and they don't play computer games (even the guys) at all, much less the Sims. But that's their loss.

As for the custom content issue with males/females, I kind of think it's because in life, there's not as much variety in male hairstyles and clothing. Plus, women are prettier.  :P


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JennyJenny on 2007 October 11, 17:41:58
Okay, so I ran the regdelnull hkcu -s and the regdelnull hku-s and the first found the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SecuROM\ CAUTION NEVER DELETE and deleted it but the 2nd didn't find anything. It scanned, and told me the scan was complete. In my registry I still have one marked BinData and another called SecData1. Are these the keys I am supposed to delete manually?
ETA: Wait maybe this wasn't clear enough.

In My SecuROM folder there are 3 sub-folders, Keys (contains 1 subfolder, named 399fe07, which, in turn, contains  a folder called 0001 and holds the things I mentioned before called BinData and SecData 1), User Data (which appears to be empty) and a folder called WL( which has a subfolder called 0002, which contains 3 files called CK, DATA, and VER)


Crap I am so confused. Here is a screen cap of what I am talking about: http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q131/PollyNo9/Capture.jpg?t=1192126886 (http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q131/PollyNo9/Capture.jpg?t=1192126886)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dano on 2007 October 11, 17:54:12

Thanks to Zazazu for this info.   I was really ticked off when I learned about the securom spyware crap & logged onto MATY because I knew there would be info here.

FYI, ever since I started using this fix, my graphics problems have apparently gone away.  I have a fairly recent Nvidia video card (7600GS) & ever since I installed BV I've been having crashes.  The whole screen would freeze & then get corrupted (like random pixels were shifted right or left).   My computer would either reboot by itself, or I'd have to do a hard reboot myself.  I kept updating my drivers to the most recent beta drivers from Nvidia, but it never helped.

After I did these steps, I haven't had this happen.  I even tried to cause it, by setting all my graphics options to high and going to the CAS screen.    Not sure why this fix would have that effect, but I'm glad it did.

dano


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: muridae on 2007 October 11, 18:30:05
Quote from: JennyJenny
Okay, so I ran the regdelnull hkcu -s and the regdelnull hku-s and the first found the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SecuROM\ CAUTION NEVER DELETE and deleted it but the 2nd didn't find anything. It scanned, and told me the scan was complete. In my registry I still have one marked BinData and another called SecData1. Are these the keys I am supposed to delete manually?

That's right. If you'd run both scans and said no to them it would have found a registry key in both places, but they seem to be different views of the same key so when you delete from hkcu the kcu key vanishes as well.

The other SecuROM keys in the registry don't have null characters in them to make them undeletable, so regdelnull won't report them. So yes, you have to delete those manually. Delete the entire SecuROM folder in the registry, and all the subkeys below it will go too.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JennyJenny on 2007 October 11, 18:32:31
So I should delete the folders under Keys and move on to the next step?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: muridae on 2007 October 11, 18:42:23
So I should delete the folders under Keys and move on to the next step?

You can delete the whole SecuROM folder from the registry. That'll take out the Keys, UserData and WL folders and everything underneath them.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JennyJenny on 2007 October 11, 18:45:25
Thanks. Now I move on to the next steps, correct?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: torawashi on 2007 October 11, 19:04:47
When you say that you ignored the step because that service (uaservice7.exe) didn't exist, did you still do the rest of the step and unregister cmdlineext.dll?

Correct. Cmdlineext.dll did exist, and needed to be unregistered.

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As I understand it, you only get the uaservice7.exe service installed if you're running Bon Voyage under a limited (non-Adminstrator) account. SecuROM needs that service to give it administrator-like privilege in an account that shouldn't have that, which to me is one of the more worrying low-level activities it gets up to on your computer.

Aha! I run everything from the admin account, so that would explain why it wasn't there.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Azrael on 2007 October 11, 19:56:29
(I apologize in advance for remaining off-topic..)

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Oh, my friends think I'm a total dork because I talk about my simmies to them...and they don't play computer games (even the guys) at all, much less the Sims. But that's their loss.

 ;D I hear you on that. Oh well. Different strokes for different folks, I always say.  ;D

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As for the custom content issue with males/females, I kind of think it's because in life, there's not as much variety in male hairstyles and clothing. Plus, women are prettier.  Tongue

True... but still, why make guys pretty too? I mean, surely the majority of males don't sport 'metro-ish' hairdos and clothes..


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JennyJenny on 2007 October 11, 20:12:53
Alright, in step 2 the "uaservice7" doesn't do anything, which makes sense since mine is an administrator account, but the "regsvr" command doesn't do anything either, except bring up an error that says

"The module cmd  rgsvr failed to load. please make sure the binary is stored at the specified path or debug it to check for problems with the binary or dependent .DLL files. The specified module could not be found".

This doesn't seem right. What now?



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: syberspunk on 2007 October 11, 20:57:01
The sims seems to be loved by many but hated by those who are more into the pirating thing.  Every time a sims game is pirated a ton of guys bitch about how the game is for women, or they'll download it and swear to everyone they're downloading it for their girlfriend.  Which is fitting since in theory, their hand is their girlfriend and it also controls the mouse so it isn't an all out lie.

I <3 you, tiny n00b.  You are the lulz!

/me stamps Ste's seal of approval on this post. :D


Deviancy, we're talking about SecuRom as it pertains to playing the Sims2 here, not any other game that someone may get at some other point and choose or not choose to patch. No one here is saying that you must get rid of SecuRom, just if you want to...this is how. The no-CD crack I mention does not contain SecuRom.


Some don't like having SecuRom because they don't like that the EAxis of EAvil installed it on their system without prior notification...not even stating that there was 3rd party software included.

<snip>

EAxis patches are notoriously crap which breaks just as much as it fixes.

<snip>

It's not bad advice. It's a solution that you can choose to use.

Zazazu, I love you like a fat kid lubs cake.  But me thinks you've misunderstood Deviancy.  I'm pretty sure Deviancy understands why people hate SecuROM and how the no-cd crack works.

As I understand it, and feel free, anyone, to correct me if I'm wrong, Deviancy is referring to the issue that, if we decide to use EAxis patches, it will 'break' the use of the no-cd crack, because, in many cases, the no-cd cracks aren't updated for patched games that aren't as very popular (inferring that TS2 may not be as popular as most games, enough for the people who made the original no-cd crack to go back and make another no-cd crack for the patched version.

So... Deviancy is not saying that using a no-cd crack to begin with is bad advice.  The 'bad advice' they are referring to, is trying to patch the game, then revert back to using the original no-cd crack  Both Deviancy and AmberDiceless caution that this could be 'bad' because you are basically reverting to an older version of the executeable.  And since the patch might 'fix' things in the executeable, you are basically going back to an older version, which creates an 'unholy hybrid' that could potentially cause problems with your game.

I would imagine then, that they (Deviancy) would actually agree and support the idea that you shouldn't patch at all, if you want to make sure that you can remove SecuROM and keep it removed.

If you read the rest of their posts, Deviancy clearly is not fond of SecuROM, pretty much calling it a piece of shit.  So yeah, I'm sure they are fully aware and would agree with how many of us feel about it.  Hehe. :D


Anyhew,  due to this whole fiasco, I will most likely also not support the BV patch.  Unless someone actually manages to get a patched object.package posted somewheres.  I will not install the BV patch myself, and therefore I will not update my hacks for the BV patch.  Stupid SecuROM. >:(


Ste


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 11, 21:13:51

So... Deviancy is not saying that using a no-cd crack to begin with is bad advice.  The 'bad advice' they are referring to, is trying to patch the game, then revert back to using the original no-cd crack  Both Deviancy and AmberDiceless caution that this could be 'bad' because you are basically reverting to an older version of the executeable.  And since the patch might 'fix' things in the executeable, you are basically going back to an older version, which creates an 'unholy hybrid' that could potentially cause problems with your game.


Just to clarify, I'm not so much cautioning against it as just calling attention to the fact that this is, in fact, what you'd be doing and people should be aware of this fact.

I seem to recall that a number of people did this with Pets at one point (or was it OFB?), foregoing the .exe fixes but still getting the benefit of the object.package and neighborhood file fixes.  As far as I heard it caused no major issues, but of course there's no guarantee it will work this time around (or if it does, that there'll be enough benefits from the patch to make it worth the time.)  As always, it's up to the brave or reckless to back everything up, try it out and report back...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: muridae on 2007 October 11, 21:18:38
Alright, in step 2 the "uaservice7" doesn't do anything, which makes sense since mine is an administrator account, but the "regsvr" command doesn't do anything either, except bring up an error that says

"The module cmd  rgsvr failed to load. please make sure the binary is stored at the specified path or debug it to check for problems with the binary or dependent .DLL files. The specified module could not be found".

This doesn't seem right. What now?

The next step is to see if the file actually exists, I guess. :)

Open Windows Explorer and go to C:\Windows\system32 (or, depending on your version of Windows, it might be C:\WINNT\system32). Look for a file called "CmdLineExt.dll" in that folder. If it doesn't exist, you don't have a problem with it, and can move on to the next step. If it does, check spelling, open a fresh command window, and try "regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll" (without the quotes) one more time. You can copy the command from this thread and then do right click -> paste in the command window if you want to be absolutely certain that the command is correct.

Might you perhaps have deleted the file before you tried to unregister it? That would give you a "The specified module could not be found" message.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Noukie on 2007 October 11, 21:37:43
Use this program to delete undeletable files, this way you can skip one of the steps in admin mode: http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 11, 21:51:33
Zazazu, I love you like a fat kid lubs cake.  But me thinks you've misunderstood Deviancy.  I'm pretty sure Deviancy understands why people hate SecuROM and how the no-cd crack works.
It was the glaring "Bad Advice" header in their earlier post that set me off. I got that Deviancy doesn't like SecuRom either, and agree that installing other games with it will put it right back on your system...as well as applying patches and not still running from the then-outdated crack. Just after days/weeks of people trying to figure out how to get it off their systems, multiple people posting the instructions, them getting losted, etc. etc. to have someone say something that on a skim-read came off as ...for lack of a better word...assholey... got me. I've slept since then, and my current cold-killing fever has me feeling all warm and fuzzy and sleepy.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 11, 22:22:49
Well in theory it is bad advice..

You're using instructions that were meant for people who uninstalled bioshock and have no intention of running bioshock again or any other securom release.  The kids here still want to play the Sims.. they want Bon Voyage to work.  Maxis may release another patch after this one that does address more issues, but this will force them right back to securom because as I said, the chances of a new nocd crack for newer Bon Voyage executables is very, very unlikely.  Then someone goes on about using the old nocd crack and using it to re-write the newer patched executable, not bright.  I don't mean to be offensive but that's like having a crappy pinto.. buying a new civic to replace that crappy pinto.. and then pulling the pintos transmission and putting it in the civic.

Any update done on that executabe is now gone because the nocd crack is the cracked old executable..

And yes, securom has issues.. and yes.. Maxis is naughty for using it. 

But if you plan on patching the Sims..  or buying any of the newer cool games like Crysis, Far Cry 2 or Hellgate: London.. don't use these instructions..

If you don't plan on updating the Sims.. or playing any of those new games..

Follow the instructions..

That's all I'm saying..


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 11, 23:11:54
Maxis may release another patch after this one that does address more issues, but this will force them right back to securom because as I said, the chances of a new nocd crack for newer Bon Voyage executables is very, very unlikely.  Then someone goes on about using the old nocd crack and using it to re-write the newer patched executable, not bright.  I don't mean to be offensive but that's like having a crappy pinto.. buying a new civic to replace that crappy pinto.. and then pulling the pintos transmission and putting it in the civic.

Any update done on that executabe is now gone because the nocd crack is the cracked old executable..

And as someone else pointed out, the likelihood of a new non-CD crack is higher now that the need for it is greater than with previous expansions.  (In fact, if I'm not mistaken there are programmers frequenting this very board who could produce one if they put their minds to it.)  Also, as I noted above, there is a precedent from an earlier Sims 2 expansion for using a combination of an old .exe with new versions of other files, which resulted in partial improvements for those who tried it, so it may--I emphasize may--be a useful strategy with Bon Voyage for those who wish to make the attempt.  We don't know yet, because only one person has reported trying it and has not provided any detailed information about the results.

Please bear in mind that you are posting on a fairly advanced modding site here, not the BBS.  Anyone who chooses to participate is expected to read carefully, heed whatever warnings they see, and take full informed responsibility for anything they do to their own computers.  Kids who don't know what they're doing--or anyone who lacks a reasonable degree of common sense and computer savvy--are actively discouraged from hanging around here.

It's entirely appropriate to point out the potential downsides and risks of anything that's suggested.  But writing off a possible course of action as bad advice before anybody has had a chance to thoroughly test it and discover just how useful or not it actually is, is not appreciated--especially when your rationale is basically "Some kid might try it and mess up his game(s)."


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 11, 23:22:01
Basically, it's assumed that the ones who want to remove Securom 7.x and then still play Bon Voyage either know how to do this, or at least deserve not to play it because they did not Lurk, instructions are everywhere. The use of the nocd key is the only way to play without secuRom reinstalling. If they are that determined to not play with SecuRom on their system, then using a few hacks to fix what the patch fixes instead of the, possibly also broken, patch should really not be an issue. It's a trade off, a working pc without SecuRom with a playable game or potentially the following issues, A 30 coaster, the possibility of viruses because your virus scan isn't working, a borked cd-burner and the feeling of being violated. The BioShock players who removed it but wanted to keep playing their game are also using no-cd keys right now. I had looked into it because of all these issues and I had planned on getting the game in the future.

If someone can't seem to accept that a trade off maybe needed in these circumstances, then why are they bothering trying to get rid of it? Although the patch and a no-cd is a questionable method, I have not seemed to have had any problem with it in the past, some people will do what they will do, regardless of what is advisable or not. All you can do is state the possible issues and let them have at it.

Currently I will not be purchasing any game with SecuRom on it or if I do, I will be torrenting a copy as well and installing that one. If someone wants those games in the wholly legal way then they will just have to deal and that is that. The rest of us have other methods.

note: AmberDiceless posted it while I was writing and said it much better then I ever could manage.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 11, 23:51:50
To be fair, securom 7 isn't brand new and the issue with burners only seems to be affecting a small percentage of people.  So it really shouldn't even be mentioned because all it will do is make the paranoid more paranoid.  The known issues are that it does cause virtual drives to have an issue at times and it is known to have a memory leak.  Those are two big enough issues to where personally I think people should just boycott the publishers, but they won't.  Tomb Raider Anniversay shipped with securom 7 I believe, I'd have to re-check, but their bbs isn't filled with people claiming their burners don't work anymore.  So sometimes the issues are somewhat pebkac related.

It is an invasion of privacy..

But the point you two keep missing is that trends are changing and I see the torrent sites putting up more and more image based torrents rather than actual cracked torrents.  I also see far less updates being done on games in regards to new nocd cracks after a patch.  Sure, with the Sims it doesnt matter, they usually break more with a patch then fix anything.  But what I continue to say is that it is bad advice to those who want to play a lot of the newer games coming out and who want to patch them if patches are needed.  It is NOT bad advice to those like you who are happy playing with a non patched version of the game and who believe that every new game will be updated with a new nocd crack everytime the game is patched.

As for BV, I'm going to go the nocd route again eventually but only because their patches tend to screw up more than they fix.  But that's rare.. usually patches actually do fix the games that have issues.



 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 11, 23:53:45
especially when your rationale is basically "Some kid might try it and mess up his game(s)."
especially since "our" reaction to some kid doing that would be to point and laugh.

I haven't decided yet on torrenting/buying in the future. I would have used a crack from day one with BV, but I believe Fairlight's wasn't out yet and then I had a dumb-butt moment. For the whole EP...well. It depends on how EAxis behaves itself in dealing with this and their general attitude towards Customer Service. Isn't looking good.

Mid-posting edit: Ok, now you really are pissing me off, Deviancy. This isn't the fucking BBS. We don't get paranoid just because someone says the sky is falling, we look up and decide for ourselves.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 12, 00:02:38
You seem to be assuming that this is the only game we play. I will play with an unpatched version of any game if it means that the game in question only supplies me with the files that it needs to play. That is the trade off. No patch but no other possible issues and no extra things on my computer.
It seems that there is actualy a pretty good sized number of simmers with cd burner issues. Not so much other gammers but simmers yes, it seems like every time I talk to one, their cd burner is suffering. Its the major complaint at the moment, most haven't even noticed the virus scanners not working because they know jack so they probably don't run it like they should and most others don't even know what the hell a memory leak is. You have to actually know what you are talking about for the memory leak and all those complaints on the bbs by different people with their drivers and software malfunctioning are certainly making it a major issue. I really don't see how it can be called a few, its more then a few, it's just not all.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 00:59:37
First off, I don't mean to be pissing anyone off...

But there are things some of you are not letting lurkers know about bypassing securom, such as using a nocd crack may actually open the door to other bugs.  There's no guarantee a nocd crack is going to not create its own issue, such as the original Sims 2 nocd crack that locked out the building options.  You're also not letting the lurkers know that some hacks are patch specific such as inteeniator, which I bet will not work on the fairlight crack, at least properly.. hoping I'm wrong though.  I also hope there is a new nocd crack made with the patch in mind, I'm just not holding my breath because I know most of the demand right now is going to be on Bioshock since it's the big machismo game to play right now.

And it's hard to tell a newbie what a memory leak is and how it affects things.  You can sit there on the phone with a customer for hours trying to help them troubleshoot a situation and they'll do the total opposite.  "open the registry and delete the securom key".. 'Ok.. I deleted the soulseek key".

So again.. it's important for big gamers to know that bypassing securom isn't the answer..

Boycotting the publishers is the answer..

But people are lazy :D







Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 12, 01:19:21
The building options being blocked out is caused by a badly made no-cd. Get a different one is the answer. Actually all the info that you mention that lurkers may need is either on this site, on the site of the ones who make the very involved hacks, or can be googled. It is not up to us to do someone else's research. Inteeninator supplies that info for themselves, besides that it is not supported here and you will get hassled if you ask about it here. If the people can not read where that version of the hack says that it needs this patch or another then the problem is their own. If they can't read that, then they are certainly going to have bigger issues with such an involved mod. If they discover that there is some issue with the no-cd method then they can simply remove it and name their original exe back to the original name. Game is back to what passes as "normal". The information listed in this forum was not really intended for the "average" user, it was intended for someone who could actually use their cognitive functions enough to follow directions and use a search.

We are not arguing that the bigger issue is that it is there at all. We are merely suppling a work around for those who want to enjoy the game that they have purchased while waiting for their letters to get to EA. There are many here who have taken such measures and have used this method. You seem to believe that they are using this method instead. No one here has ever called it a solution, it's only a quick fix for now.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 01:37:12
I understand where you're coming from, really, I do.

But I feel it is important to inform even the lurker of known problems they'll have if they use the available workaround.  It isn't my job nor am I required to do so, but I feel it's the nice thing to do.  I mean I know I personally have better things to do then hop on a dozen sims sites in order to find out if one hack will conflict with another hack.  I'd rather have had the person who posted the hack inform me of the possible issues their hack will cause.  So that's all I'm doing here, I'm advising those lurkers or those possible newbies that if they use this workaround they may run into future issues with hacks such as the inteeniator. Which is an excellent hack btw.. I love the abort the fetus part.. wickedly fun.  And they may have games that won't run anymore because they never put a nocd crack on those and those games were also relying on those securom files.

In order to inform people of certain issues, it may at times make those who are more experienced feel as if they're being talked down to, but I feel it's worth that sacrifice in order to inform those who are less experienced. 

I miss the days when a game was on four floppies and the protection usually was just a serial number..

The good ol days..

Interesting walkthrough though.. I had all of those files on my system except for.. "uaservice7.exe".  I checked for it a number of ways, it just didn't exist.  I wonder if its because I use yasu to hide my drives and virtual drives from Securom. 
 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 12, 02:34:03
I understand where you're coming from, really, I do.
But I feel it is important to inform even the lurker of known problems they'll have if they use the available workaround.  It isn't my job nor am I required to do so, but I feel it's the nice thing to do. 

Yes, because that is exactly what a majority of the people are here ...nice. *sarcasm* People here expect you to take responsibility yourself. This is not a sims exclusive work around. If something like this was exclusive to the sims 2 then there would be more info on it here, but since this works for any game (the no-cd bit) then someone can find that for themselves. It's been said before on the bbs for one, and on the original site that the instructions come from, that if you remove SecuRom then any game with it will not run. We just metion that it will if you don't use the original exe.
If you are going to use a file then you had better learn about it, do you want us to give a class on what a no-cd key is and what it does? That is information that could be found anywhere.


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I mean I know I personally have better things to do then hop on a dozen sims sites in order to find out if one hack will conflict with another hack.  I'd rather have had the person who posted the hack inform me of the possible issues their hack will cause.
Yeah but you still have to hop on the site of one creator and the site of the second one. Sometimes even they don't know, sometimes one mod predates the other, other times one mod is bigger and they have no idea about this other random mod, they themselves don't even know to list it. This isn't about hacks, hacks are exclusive to the sims 2. That is information that is pretty exclusive about where you get it, things in this thread certainly are not.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 02:51:23
That's exactly why before I download a hack I read the thread and see if anyone has posted things about it causing an issue.  I never entirely trust the person who created the hack, people tend to leave important things out because they're lazy, then they're like, they could have done the research themselves.  This is just an excuse to be lazy.  If you're go to provide help provide the advantages as well as the disadvantages, don't assume that downloader is going to go and investigate, because chances are they're lazy to.  And as always, when offering any pc help always assume each and every person reading the walkthrough are novices, because most online are.  It beats getting a ton of posts later from people who need more help because the walkthrough wasn't as simplistic as it could have been.

I think the walkthrough snagged from Toms was pretty damn good, it just left out a few minor things which I covered..

And yes, I will post about what exactly a nocd key does and how it works. 

But I'm a good person and I'm going to the happy place when I die ;).. *sarcasm*



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 12, 03:59:10
It would be one thing if someone here made the no cd-key, then there would be all this information that you are referring to, but we didn't. If someone is too lazy to find it themselves, when it is easily found then they will get picked on and laughed at here. That seems to be one point you are missing. No one sits around here waiting to be helpful and spoon feed people information that they could have easily located, that is not the MATY way at all. Anything posted here is not going to assume that anyone reading is a novice, that is something I mentioned before, this was for people who already had an idea of what they were doing. The instructions used to be in another thread but that one became too involved and the instructions were beginning to be hard to find for those who wanted it. The people posting here, for the most part, are semi to extremely computer literate. Those instructions were moved here for those people, anyone else was on their own.

Feel free to be as nice as you want, but don't expect other people here to be just as nice. They reserve the right to be as nasty as they want and aren't going to go out of their way if they don't want to.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 04:21:36
Oh I don't expect people to be nice, I was merely explaining to you why I posted the words "bad advice". 

This is how you offer help..

http://www.deviancy.ookiespookie.com/doom/ (http://www.deviancy.ookiespookie.com/doom/)

Same thing really.. just has a small disclaimer..

And we'll see about the extremely experienced literate thing..

I'm still new on this lovely board, so we'll see about that.  So far I just see a lot of simmers who know their way around the game.  That isn't exactly a pc guru, it's just a sim addict.  But it would be nice to finally find a Sims community where the members didn't come off like they were formerly on ABC's the View or born with autism.  So I'm feeling somewhat optimistic :).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 12, 05:04:46
And we'll see about the extremely experienced literate thing..

I'm still new on this lovely board, so we'll see about that.  So far I just see a lot of simmers who know their way around the game.  That isn't exactly a pc guru, it's just a sim addict.  But it would be nice to finally find a Sims community where the members didn't come off like they were formerly on ABC's the View or born with autism.  So I'm feeling somewhat optimistic :).

/me eyeballs Deviancy.

Can't speak for anybody else, but I've been up to my elbows in Intel machines since 20 MB was a spacious hard drive, Windows was a curiosity and a full meg of addressible RAM was a luxury.  I could list my mad computer skillz for you, but I don't know how you define "computer literate" and Pescado would point and laugh at me for being so pathetic compared to him, so I'll just say that I am not intimidated by PC's and Microsoft is not the boss of me.  I think it's fair to say I'm not atypical of MATY users in general (not counting the full-time denizens of Retardo Land, which is called that for a reason.)

If you want to see REALLY computer literate, though, check out the subforum called the Bowels of Trogdor.  Just don't expect to be allowed to post there unless you can prove you're as tall as Pescado's beefy arm.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 05:22:00
Was that you in Wargames? 

Cool.. I always wanted to know.. why did you marry Sarah Jessica Parker?  I mean that chicks got a nose on her.. I mean christ... I think skate off that thing.

I think anyone who even remembers windows 3.1 is literate in my book.  But with the being said, you of all people should know that this wonderful world that Al Gore created... is loaded with newbs who still think shutting off their monitor is the same thing as rebooting.  It has only gotten worse since Myspace, Myspace has really pulled the newbs into world of the net.  I cater to them only because a lot of them are cute ;).  Ok, seriously.. I care.. sniff.. not sure why but I do.  So I like to lay things out as very basic as possible regardless if they can google and find the info somewhere else.  I like making things easy for people, well not to easy unless they're really cute..  but that's besides the point.

So Pescado is the resident geek? 

Curious.. I'll have to check out this Bowels thing..

Yup.. total geek.  Anyone who can sit there and pick apart every issue with Simpe is a geek. 

Maybe that's why there's not a new one yet, maybe Pescado made them cry.

Anywho, not only have you proved your literacy.. hoorah.. hoorah.. you got a few years on me.  I was an apple boy because the school only had apples at that point and my parents figured home computers would be obsolete in a few years.  So when I finally got my pc, they were up to a whopping 300 megs and windows 3.1.  I stuck to dos primarily because I was into bbs's and Telemate was my favorite program. 

So whys an old fart like you playing the Sims?  My excuse is that I'm troubled and have a lot of inner demons that prevent from being well.. normal.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kyna on 2007 October 12, 05:52:08
Windows 3.1 *sniff*  Newcomer.  Many of us probably still remember MS-DOS 3.3 - I know I do.

As for the demographic on MATY, our resident surveyer, B, asks for that kind of info in his surveys.  You can find the results of one of his surveys here (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,9242.0.html).  As you can see the majority of MATYites who chose to respond to this particular survey are 30+.

Many of us were playing the Sims 1 when it had no EPs, and some of us played SimCity before that, so we're older than 16* 12.  There is an impression that the Sims is a teen/young adult game, and sadly EA markets at this age group, but a big part of the reason the Sims is so successful is because it appeals to a wider range of players than the average game.  I've heard it said that the Sims is one of the few games that appeals to 24+ females.

*If you're confused about ages on MATY, please read the FAQ.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 12, 05:57:07

It amuses my nostalgic side to hear about 20mb hard drives and the days when cdroms didn't even exist.  But I was spoiled compared to you.  My first pc had 300megs.. huge mutherfucker.. and it had that rip roaring 2400baud modem.  I miss the days when it took a half an hour to download a nudie pic. 

So what is the age range for the Sims?  I was under the impression it was the typical 16-25 bracket.. but there's no way you're 25.. and if the others here know more than you.. hrmm..


EA's target audience for the game is teens and young adults.  As Kyna says, we here are not necessarily the target audience.  I'm 36, a fair few of the other regulars are my age or older, and Pescado (the computer guru who runs the joint, but not the only resident geek--you really should check out the FAQ (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,7437.0.html)) is old and has a long beard. 

ETA:

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So whys an old fart like you playing the Sims?  My excuse is that I'm troubled and have a lot of inner demons that prevent from being well.. normal.

Who you calling old, Junior?  :p  I use it as a creative outlet, making custom content and simple mods more than I actually play the game.  I also like that it's a computer thing that I can tinker with and get immediate, attractive and entertaining results.  Plus it's just cool to be able to build characters and stuff from the assorted fandoms I'm into and watch them actually walk around and do things.  XD


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 06:02:46
Well I'm glad to see others here who are 30+.

Now I know I'm not the only social retard ;)..

I got into the Sims for all the wrong reasons..

I went to go buy Alice I think and my girlfriend at the time saw the Sims on the shelf.  She had to have it and well, I encourage girls to be gamers.. there's nothing hotter than a cute girl who loves games.  So eventually I got into it myself.. not that I'm a hot gaming chick, but maybe one day.. well probably not.. I like my boy bits.

I never played Sim City though, I watched someone play once.  I was to into fighting games a that point.

So ok, judging by this age thing, I see why there's no kiddie gloves being used on this board.

So ok.. nothing is taken to seriously here and quite a few are older..

Good.. good.. very good..

Oh and I'm 34..

And I'll check out the faq..


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mitchellcjs on 2007 October 12, 06:06:25
MS DOS?  Anyone remember Apple IIE?  The Commodore 64?  Programming in BASIC, "Hello World", backing things up on real cassette tapes, the innovation of the "hard" floppy, now THOSE were the days.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 12, 06:13:37
MS DOS?  Anyone remember Apple IIE?  The Commodore 64?  Programming in BASIC, "Hello World", backing things up on real cassette tapes, the innovation of the "hard" floppy, now THOSE were the days.

Well if you count non-Intel machines, the first personal computer I ever had was an Atari 400 (basically a crude game console with a keyboard tacked on and a few optional peripherals, including, yes, a cassette tape drive, and a version of BASIC hardwired into it.)  I wasn't cool enough for a Commodore 64.  :p  I did use those and Apple IIE's in a class at school, though.

/me wonders how long it'll be before Venusy splits or locks the thread for veering entirely off-topic.  Sorry all. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 06:20:14
I had this old tandy thing, I won't call it a computer even though Radio Shack called it one.

It was like a keyboard that hooked up to the tv and I could write programs on but in order to back anything up, I had to use casstte tapes.  So I got the hookups for my cassette recorder, supposedly that's all I needed and this tandy thing supposedly stored the data on tapes.  Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't.  I also had one game cartidge for it, some mud like game.. sigh..

I don't miss that thing..

But at the very least it was what helped me learn how to type.

Apple IIE was what I played Oregon's Trail on when I was in 5th grade I think.. I swore it was IIC, there was a IIC right?

Oregon's Trail.. that was one fine ass game...

Oh the topic.. hrmm..

I see why Securom 7 is an issue for sim addicts and not those who play Tomb Raiders newest release..

Anniversary uses an earlier version of 7, I don't believe the earlier version installed uaservice7.exe, if it did I'd have that on my system and I don't. I think the newer version came out around time bioshock did, and 2k went all out to try and prevent that game from being pirated. 

So unless you lil addicts can really put maxis on the defensive, the next Sims expansion which is due out in Febuary will be hell since Securom most likely will step things up, I just have a bad feeling they're following in Starforces footsteps.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tabbs on 2007 October 12, 06:37:55
I don't think I have SecuRom on my computer. I ran the checks for it under the start--->run--> regedit and the other one suggested and didn't see anything for it, so does that mean I don't have it or could it mean that it is hiding? Does everyone have it that installed BV or is it just some folks? I just want to make sure I'm understanding this right.

Also sorry if that was a stupid question.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 06:47:34
If you downloaded Bon Voyage from a torrent site and followed the torrent instructions, chances are you don't have securom on your system.  If you downloaded Bon Voyage from EA, I believe they use a different form of protection, but don't quote me on that.  However, if you bought the game from the store and installed it, and played it from the cd.. you should have securom on your system. 

I'm trying to create a faq about securom 7, how it affects the game.. and the newer securom 7.

I went over to a few other sims sites.. far to many are downloading the patch..

Not good..


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Invisigoth on 2007 October 12, 07:05:24
You're also not letting the lurkers know that some hacks are patch specific such as inteeniator, which I bet will not work on the fairlight crack, at least properly..

Actually, (according to Jase (http://box156.bluehost.com/~aestudi1/forums/inteenimater/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=540&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30#p2804)) inteen doesn't need an update for this patch. As for the part about it not working properly with cracked executables can you show me a source? I can't find any sort of reference to that in the inteen documentation or anywhere on their site.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 07:33:09
I have no idea where I read that at, I just remember reading something about not supporting nocd cracks since they're not legit.

But it's good to know Inteeniator won't need the patch.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kyna on 2007 October 12, 07:56:17
If you downloaded Bon Voyage from a torrent site and followed the torrent instructions, chances are you don't have securom on your system.

It depends on whether you downloaded an image of the CD or a cracked exe.  If the image uses the original exe then secuROM will be installed the first time you run it.  If you only ever run the game from a cracked exe (such as the Fairlight one), then you should be ok.

BTW, inteen is spelled inteenimater, not inteeniator.  But on MATY it's better known as the kitten killer.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 08:04:17
I spell it like 5 different ways, I have no idea why, I just do.

And the kitten killer?

My mind is making me think that's because it either kills the pets in the game or has some kind of deviant meaning..

And someone, maybe you, earlier said it was made fun of here.  Why is it made fun of?  I always found it to be a rather complex hack that does quite a bit.  For one, it adds a very nice level of realism to the game.  And it's the best solution that I know of to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy in the game.  The old days, I used to use the tombstone to speed up the pregnancy, then I aged the sim.. then I killed the sim.  But with Inteen.. "abort.. abort"..


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 October 12, 08:10:41
(http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/cats/kittenkiller.jpg)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Deviancy on 2007 October 12, 08:13:09
Haha.. so in other words.. Jase loves you guys?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 12, 12:30:55
Haha.. so in other words.. Jase loves you guys?

Jase wears his non-awesomeness like a badge of honor.  XD  The InTeen is apparently a bit of a monster from a programmer's POV (and even Jase admits this,) suffering from a lot of unnecessary file bloat and badly in need of a rebuild.  It's not really his fault--he's still limping along on code he wrote in the early days of Sims 2 modding when a lot of things weren't yet well understood, and it's now got six expansions worth of new features and fixes he's tacked on as best he could.  But it also makes so many fundamental changes to the game that a lot of other mods aren't compatible with it, which makes things difficult for the other modders because they'll get bug reports about their own work that turn out to be caused by InTeen incompatibility.

The InSIMenator has also been referred to as "the Puppy Killer" for similar reasons, though Pes seems to have less of an allergy to it...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tabbs on 2007 October 12, 14:05:13
Ok I installed the game from the CD version, and sadly I also patched it. Man I hope I'm not screwed..

Now I need to really search for this.

I haven't seen any changes on my computer thus far, though I'm still on XP and not Vista but I still don't want it on my system.

And I'm guessing that you can still play the game without it on your system?

Edit to add:

I finally found it. Now because I installed the patch, is it still safe to remove? or am I going to have to re-install all together?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 12, 14:20:42
Ok I installed the game from the CD version, and sadly I also patched it. Man I hope I'm not screwed..

Now I need to really search for this.

I haven't seen any changes on my computer thus far, though I'm still on XP and not Vista but I still don't want it on my system.

And I'm guessing that you can still play the game without it on your system?
If you installed it from the CD, you have it. Period.

Here's a better way to check: Open up "My Computer". Navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR NAME HERE. On the window's menu bar, hit Tools, then Folder Options. Click the View tab. Under "Hidden files and folders" make sure to click on the "Show hidden files and folders" radial button. (Insert beef about Windows hiding crap from computer owners for no valid reason here). Click OK. Now click on the new light-colored folder called Application Data. See a folder called SecuRom? You have it.

I'd suggest having someone a bit more computer savvy carry out the instructions for you. Nothing personal, we all have our levels of comfort with different things.

As for Windows 3.1 being the mark of respect, that's funny. I was programming in BASIC on my Commodore 64 when I was 8 6. I remember seeing the Tandy, but never actually got to play with one. My parents have never been computer-savvy, so I always got to play with the new ones and figure them out so I could teach them.

For general issues of concerns with other hacks, it's really upon the user to go to the site that deals with said hack. Unless all hacks are at one place, you can't expect people to be able to advise you, or to feel the responsibility to. Whining that the kitten killer is screwing up your game here generally gets you laughed at, and gives Pescado an excuse to post the domokuns.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2007 October 12, 14:28:20
MS DOS?  Anyone remember Apple IIE?  The Commodore 64?  Programming in BASIC, "Hello World", backing things up on real cassette tapes, the innovation of the "hard" floppy, now THOSE were the days.

Heh -- remember Logo?  I first started programming in that on an Apple II in the local library when I was killing time waiting for my then-wife to pick me up after work.  My first computer was a Franklin Ace 1200, which was Apple II compatible and also had a CPM board in it so I could run Wordstar and SuperCalc. I remember when I bought it that the salesman swore to me that 64k RAM was more than anyone would need for the foreseeable future. :)


Anniversary uses an earlier version of 7, I don't believe the earlier version installed uaservice7.exe, if it did I'd have that on my system and I don't.

uaservice7.exe is only installed if you install/run a game with a user account that doesn't have admin privileges. It's used by SecuROM to bypass the restrictions on a regular account, and give itself admin privileges. Which is one reason why most of us don't like it -- nothing should go behind our backs and give admin rights to a program when we specifically created an account without those rights. And frankly, a program that gives itself admin privileges in an account that shouldn't have them pretty well fits the definition of malware.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tabbs on 2007 October 12, 15:11:50
I did find it. And I'm going to remove it, although it doesn't look it from my previous post - I do know how to do things on my pc, I'm not as dumb as I sound (read). Anyway I just woke up and this SecuROM thing is very new to me.

While I like BV I'm going to uninstall it all together, but first remove the SecuROM and start new. (Without installing BV I don't like it enough to go through the crack thing. But I might change my mind later, who knows.)

I'm just glad that MATY is here, you guys are the best. /kissass


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Quinctia on 2007 October 13, 01:33:01
You don't have to be that old to remember IIe's and Commodores.  I'm 24 and used those the first few years of grade school.  I could do very basic programming in BASIC (har har).  I remember being amazed at the IIgs's in the lab...with a MOUSE and COLOR.  My mom, however, brought home the largest floppy disk I have ever seen the other day.  It was bigger than my head and stored an amount that seems ridiculously small now.  It was from some programming/accounting class she took somewhere around the time when I was born, I think.

I wouldn't worry too hard about NoCD.exe's and patches, either.  Recently, I installed Roller Coaster Tycoon 3, and the NoCD explicitly said to download the patch(es) first, and I'm about to switch out my Knights of the Old Republic for a NoCD, and I believe that one's a post-patch as well.  (I hate hearing CDs whiz around in the drive when there's no need.)

You might have to wait a little bit to benefit from the patch, but it's not like the scene doesn't make new .exe's.  It may be that it's not a general practice for Sims games, but it doesn't seem like a problem elsewhere, so I doubt it will be, especially now that there's added incentive to use a NoCD.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 13, 03:28:07
This is the only thread that search returns for "SecuROM," so I'll ask here. What the hell is it, or rather why is it so evil?

I was posting a list of problems on Insim in the General Help area, and I got the response that because I have Deluxe (Base+NL), I have the evil SecuROM and that is the likely culprit. I really don't understand how copy protection software can cause the errors I was experiencing, but because I have no knowledge about this particular program, I obviously can't be 100% certain of that fact.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sluggo on 2007 October 13, 05:15:40
This is the only thread that search returns for "SecuROM," so I'll ask here. What the hell is it, or rather why is it so evil?

I was posting a list of problems on Insim in the General Help area, and I got the response that because I have Deluxe (Base+NL), I have the evil SecuROM and that is the likely culprit. I really don't understand how copy protection software can cause the errors I was experiencing, but because I have no knowledge about this particular program, I obviously can't be 100% certain of that fact.
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Oooh.. Do I get to make a  LURK MOAR POST?
  Had you actually read through, You'd have seen it's mentioned a few hundred times what it is, where to find more information on it, yadda. yadda, yadda. Scroll up just a few posts, and read. I know it's hard, and it makes the brain hurt, but it may help with your problem

<edit>: oops.. quoted the wrong post


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 13, 06:24:31
I installed with a torrented copy even though I legally bought the game. I nearly always do if only so i can leave by cd in the box and I only need open the box for the cd key. Anyway, It did still install some Securom files onto my computer, just apparently not all. My actual SecuRom file was empty, but I still found one file in my Windows 32 folder and the keys in my registry. They wouldn't have even been there but I installed the game the day it came out and I had not been able to locate a no-cd crack.

But anyway Deviancy, about the kitten killer, have you never heard the saying, "Every time you masturbate, God kills a kitten"? That is pretty much what the kitten killer phrase is a spin off of, unless I am sadly mistaken on this. Anyway, the others have told you the rest, it changes so much code that it wrecks hell on other peoples mods and hacks. I happen to like it, not that I use it's features all that often, I just like the option that I could if I wanted to. Anyone posting an error log on this site that then turns out that the problem is that hack then they are not given help and their help thread is locked. We do not support it here, and if someone is silly enough to have not removed such an involved hack and then testing before asking for help then they can do it the hard way with the fifty fifty method, actually, they should have used that method already before asking for help. You have said it, there are no kid gloves here. Don't use the Retardo land area as a judge, seems like most here are 20's-40s or more, those primarily in Retardo land ...well it's a little hard to tell, sometimes kids get lost.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 13, 13:37:49
Oooh.. Do I get to make a  LURK MOAR POST?
  Had you actually read through, You'd have seen it's mentioned a few hundred times what it is, where to find more information on it, yadda. yadda, yadda. Scroll up just a few posts, and read. I know it's hard, and it makes the brain hurt, but it may help with your problem

<edit>: oops.. quoted the wrong post

Had you actually read through, you'd have seen it's not mentioned "a few hundred times," smartass - in fact, it's hardly mentioned at all. The best I can gather - which is the same [useless] information I gathered from searching other websites, googling it, etc. (so thanks again for another ASSumption) - is that it can cause some problems with some CD burners and virus protection software. Well, in my book, "cause some problems" isn't exactly an answer, and isn't very threatening. In fact, if I go solely off of what I've researched, it's really not that big of deal, and I tend to agree with Deviancy (hmm, how could I do that if I hadn't actually read through?). Then again, the *real* problem with it seems to simply be a matter of installing 3rd party software without consent; that receives more press than any actual problems that may occur/exist. Yeah, sure, it pisses me off to learn that this was passed on to us without our awareness or consent, but this is hardly the first piece of software to do that, nor will it be the last. Game companies - most companies in general these days - couldn't give two squats what we think. They do whatever they want to do that they feel is in their best interest, or just because they felt like doing it regardless of interest. Who knows, maybe it's a conspiracy and they are in cahoots with Sony so that we at least have to buy Sony burners if we want to keep burning stuff (since Sony can't seem to make a computer worth buying). [I figure I better mention that I'm being sarcastic here.]

As for "where to find more information on it" - I didn't ask where I can find out more about the NOCD hacks, which *are* locations mentioned in the posts. I wanted to know why SecuROM is supposedly so bad that I need to remove it. Again I agree with Deviancy - with the information I've been presented, I don't think it's really that big of a deal, but threads like could unnecessarily panic someone, or encourage people - especially newbs - to: 1) do something they may not need to do; 2) do something they have no idea how to do properly; and/or 3) do something they don't fully understand the consequences of. That is, of course, unless they actually try to learn something more about the problem, like I was attempting to do. Do you do all of your college research and then never ask you professor any questions, assuming everything you read is both correct and consummate? Simply because someone researches everything they can doesn't mean they've found all the answers they need.

As for my reading skills - for your information, although I could really care less if you know or not, I've spent about 30 hours of the last two days reading hundreds of threads on this site looking for mods, suggestions, fixes, et cetera. I never post a question unless I am absolutely 100% certain it either: 1) wasn't already answered; or 2) wasn't answered thoroughly enough for me, or at least didn't actually answer my specific question. To do otherwise is a major pet peeve of mine, as there is no excuse to post a question just because it wasn't answered on the first page of a multi-page thread. I hate that, and don't particularly care for anyone insinuating that I've done such a thing. Of course another pet peeve pertains to people that take the time to post, but only post derogatory comments, instead of using those few minutes to be helpful. Thumper's mother had some good advice along these lines, I believe. It should be a staple of Internet etiquette.

Hypocrites are my third pet peeve. So thanks for playing, try again soon. You'd better pick a different target next time if you actually want to score.

:D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2007 October 13, 14:26:26
Check the 'BV with no CD' thread -- I believe there's more discussions about why SecuROM is bad there.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 13, 15:06:49
For some reason that thread didn't get returned by the Search feature, and I probably would've overlooked the title because I don't have Bon Voyage, and thus don't care about playing it without the CD. LOL. I never would've though it could include something pertinent to my questions. I'll check it out now.

Thanks, Joe!

Oh, and I finally managed to (successfully) respond to your post in the Wants & Fears Sanity thread. LOL. Be forewarned: I talk a lot.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sluggo on 2007 October 13, 15:49:26

Had you actually read through, you'd have seen it's not mentioned "a few hundred times," smartass

Hmmm.. Not even going to bother pointing to them, cause anyone can simply read the first freaking page which clearly shows how to remove said maulware and also points to a few spots suggesting what said program can do to your system what other people have experienced. Of course, you want to be spoon-fed and to top it off praddle on in your follow-up post when someone calls you on your non-clear-ity of your first post.

<edit>: Goggle is your friend, too!
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM

Result 1 of about 735,000 for securom.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 13, 16:20:29
Oh for God's sake. You obviously didn't even bother to READ my post, let alone anything else. I never, EVER asked "how to remove said maulware." I also still do not see a link to any location of *what* SecuROM can do to your system, but there are plenty of links to how to get rid of it, as well as to sites for things like Daemon Tools, NOCD cracks, YASU, and whatnot. As for your last sentence - I'm not even going to bother. You'll just respond with more witty remarks for lack of anything better to do (such as, say, oh I don't know... helping someone by giving them information instead of infantile insults?). If you wanted to clarify yourself, why wouldn't you "bother pointing to them"? Or is it simply because you can't be bothered to actually read through everything? And as far as research goes (which you are so fond of telling me I should do), it wasn't even my first post, which you can find out easily from this site's very own tools.

And now to someone who actually IS interested in being helpful, thanks again, Joe. There was definitely some interesting information in that thread, but nobody can really seem to agree on any one method of removing SecuROM, other than it involving a crack. Of course, I still didn't see very much about *why* SecuROM is so bad. Venusy did makes some interesting points, but most of them were identical to what I've already seen on other sites while doing my research (self-spoon-fed, I guess). It can cause problems with certain burners and certain virus protection programs. That leads me to believe that not everybody really needs to remove SecuROM.

That said, Venusy did mention one other thing that did stand out - that it was a potential security threat. However, I am wary of that statement. Let me clarify that I am not claiming Venusy's statement is incorrect; I am by no means an expert (but I'm also by no means an ignoramus, as some here would like to think). The problem is that I can find almost nothing to substantiate it. What proof has anyone discovered of this? Have there been any examples of security breaches known to be related to SecuROM?

I guess what I'm saying is that experience has shown that panic ensues anytime something happens to a person's computer - often a very personal and important thing in our lives - that they didn't authorize or were unaware of (yeah, I know, I ended my sentence with a preposition - unless you count the part in parentheses :)). These days it's not surprising that some people would jump to the conclusion that such an underhanded method of installation must surely insinuate a shady purpose. One such purpose being? Oh, spyware. I did see mention of spyware in one of B's posts, but it pertained only to the new Maxis launcher (which troubles me, but isn't a worry for me as I don't have that EP, yet).

Obviously, the inexperienced user could read that thread and see all of these different methods and bits of information (security risk, registry files, spyware, etc.) and think, "Oh my God, SecuROM is from the devil [MicroSoft] and my computer's going to explode in 5 seconds!" Fortunately, I know a bit more about computers, so I'm not panicking. Instead, I am trying to learn more about the "devil." So I guess the reason I was asking about SecuROM is because I'm wondering if I'm missing something obvious, because right now I just don't understand why SecuROM is so bad. In the other thread, one of the members actually *likes* SecuROM (at least for the purpose of making backup copies). I don't have a burner/VP problem, so that's out. I can't find any information that actually states what security threat it could pose, if any, so I feel safe there (not to mention there are plenty of other safeguards you can enable to minimize that risk either way). And my game seems to run fine (or the only problems I encounter can be linked to bad mods or known Maxis bugs).

That's all I really wanted to know. As it stands, I could care less about SecuROM (but I'm still pissed at EA). Unless of course somebody edumacates me otherwise. Sans insults.

EDIT:
<edit>: Goggle is your friend, too!
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM

Result 1 of about 735,000 for securom.

You know, I love a good back-and-forth. Debate is a great way to test your knowledge against others, as well as to learn other viewpoints. But it's really no fun at all when all the other person can do is come up with immature one-liners like, "Google is your friend." You keep accusing me of not reading, then instead of actually reading my replies to find out that's not true, you accuse me of "praddling." That's called hypocrisy (aka: double standards). So the question is: Are we going to keep going with this childish Inquisition, or can we simply agree that neither one of has all the answers, no matter how much research we may or may not do, that insulting each other about it accomplishes nil, and that if we let people that do need help ask their questions and those with the answers provide the answers, we can all be happy?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tabbs on 2007 October 13, 16:38:31
I would like to see someone reply to JCspencer as well, I don't know that much about SecuROM (and I read quite a bit as well.)

I just assumed I wanted it off of there because I just got a new PC and didn't want anything to get messed up, I work hard to keep things off my system that I don't want on there or didn't put on there.

So on a 50/50 chance that it might mess up my burner, or disable some of my programs... Lets say it gets back on there, what could I do to limit it, so it doesn't have full rein over my PC?

Also I realized that if I buy other PC games it's most likely going to have some sort of protection on it and even possibly SecuROM, which will be on my pc anyways (unless I play with cracks, which I might do.)


(I already uninstalled SecuROM from my machine but since I patched my game I'm seriously thinking about just uninstalling BV, and reinstalling it the way that was suggested in the first post.)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 13, 16:43:03
I can at least answer part of your question. In order to limit the appearance of, return of, or initial installation of SecuROM, I advise you to read the thread Joe directed me to, here: BV and no CD? (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,9559.0.html)

While the primary purpose was too discuss BV in particular, most of the other problem expansions are also covered, and there are plenty of methods to choose from. Some may work for you, some may not. But the thread is definitely very informative.

EDIT: Oh, and make sure you read all of the posts, because different configurations are discussed on later pages. Some people had different approaches depending on whether they had XP or Vista, and some of the solutions were easier (but theoretically only short term), while others were much more advanced (but theoretically long term). The only part I found confusing was that some people say to remove registry files, others say not to touch them - that it either isn't necessary, or could cause instability.

That's one reason I would like to see if there is more substantial evidence regarding the "badness"of SecuROM before I bother messing with stuff. After all, the old saying goes, "If ain't broke, don't fix it." I'm perfectly fine running with SecuROM on my system (it came with Deluxe, which I have atm); no problems to report.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sluggo on 2007 October 13, 17:15:42
Oh for God's sake. You obviously didn't even bother to READ my post, let alone anything else. I never, EVER asked "how to remove said maulware."


Well, Obviously *you* didn't read, because this thread clearly states "How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW," and I was clearly stating your origional post :

This is the only thread that search returns for "SecuROM," so I'll ask here. What the hell is it, or rather why is it so evil?

I was posting a list of problems on Insim in the General Help area, and I got the response that because I have Deluxe (Base+NL), I have the evil SecuROM and that is the likely culprit. I really don't understand how copy protection software can cause the errors I was experiencing, but because I have no knowledge about this particular program, I obviously can't be 100% certain of that fact.

 was vague and unacceptable and would normally be responded on this board with the reply that I threw.

 As your later posts elaborated on the subject, they would have been more acceptable, and you would have happily been pointed to the correct thread, which also tells you that not everyone is experiencing problems, only those of us that have programs/configurations that Sony has decided they don't like.

 And, as this is wandering off the subject, I'm going to drop it here.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 13, 17:41:43
JCSpencer, you may have just been searching for results in this thread (the big blank text box). It's best to run a search from within "Advanced search". I got 2 pages of results for SecuRom.

First, few here are panicing about SecuRom. We aren't that alarmist. The BBS...well. That's another story, and the big NOW was a badly-aimed mocking at the pitchfork-raising going on over there. And "we" (and especially I) am not saying that you must remove it...it's your computer. It's your choice. But if you are having issues, or feel violated by it, here in this thread we have instructions that have been reported to work with both XP and the evil Vista.

Issues that can be caused by SecuRom:
1. Causes some CD-burning programs not to work. Known targets: Nero, Sonic, Alcohol 120.
2. Causes some anti-virus programs to stall during a scan, not start a scan, or report subscriptions as expired. Known targets: Norton, McAfee.
3. Causes issues with running the game from CD on initial install or on reinstall. This is especially bad since EAxis' solution to everything is to tell us to reinstall the game. Users get the message to enter the original game CD instead of a backup, even though they are using the original game CD.
4. Rumored to actually break CD readers. While this is technically not possible, one user did report that they had been trying to burn a CD right before bed and when they woke up, Nero was still stalled and the CD writer had misaligned. Unnecessary wear-and-tear, if you will.
5. Possible security risk through rootkit set-up. This one is beyond me, perhaps someone more awesome can explain. (hint hint)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 13, 18:29:36
Hmm, not sure how I made such a silly error, but I was puzzled by why the "BV no CD" article never showed up in my search results when it clearly talked a lot about SecuROM. Now I know. Thanks!

And I hope you didn't take offense to anything I said. I didn't mean to infer that you or anyone else was causing unnecessary panic; I did notice some of the posts in related threads did reflect a more panicky response (usually from the people that were only following the advice but didn't really understand what they were doing it or why they were doing it). I simply like to be kept abreast of things, and I really just didn't understand what was so bad. Contrary to what my friend above thinks, I did quite a bit of research, but most of the sites keep talking about how to remove it, or about the CD-burner/VP problems. Not even the Wiki or hack sites really gave much info. They just mainly focused on the here-and-now: I don't want it, how do I get rid of it.

Oddly, I do have Sonic, but I haven't noticed any problems that I know of. Well, I get the occasional "failed to make a copy" thing, but I've been getting those forever. 1 out of every 15-20 discs or so. I attribute it to trying to do too much other stuff while burning. Or just a bad disc now and again (which is a pretty common error, but has been incorrectly attributed to the wrong sources).

No problems for me on #2 and 3, but #4 can actually be caused by almost any copy-protection software, especially when it is called needlessly and incessantly. Can't recall which of my games was doing that, but I know the community was pretty ticked off about it. It's actually bad for the entire system, especially laptops, because of the extra heat and vibrations. But to be honest, I haven't noticed excessive spinning of my drives; but since I know I acquired SecuROM through Deluxe, and I currently have installed up to OFB, that means I am playing with the OFB disc, which in turn means I'm not susceptible to constant CP checks caused by SecuROM - right? At least until (or if) I have installed BV. Let me know if I'm wrong with that line of thinking.

Unless I misunderstood #5, SecuRom itslef isn't actually a rootkit. You can find out everything you ever wanted to know about (and how to find) rootkits here: RootkitRevealer v1.71 (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/RootkitRevealer.mspx) (yeah, I know, I'm linking the scriptures of Satan). Anyway, SecuRom is just a service, and can be disabled/deleted; of course that doesn't mean it couldn't be a potential threat (XPSP1 proved that). However, the problem is that it gets reinstalled and reinitiated every time you load a standard disk. That alone could make this "magically" reappearing program look malicious, but I still haven't found any real cases of security risks. And the only real downside to having SecuRom running is that it can cause intermittent spikes in resource usage. Not that Sims doesn't already handle resources in an incredibly inefficient manner.

I could be way off base here, I suppose. Just what I can find on the subject thus far. There are a gazillion tuts out there for removing SecuRom, but hardly anything discussing what the problems are. I think people may be associating the evils of the Sony Music DRM to Sims, but that doesn't apply because there's no such protection granted to Sims discs. I think I'm even more confused. I can just delete the service after each game session; only takes a few seconds, and I'm never connected while playing (assuming there is a security hole and nobody's found it yet).

Anyway, thanks for taking the time out to educate me, Zazazu. I may be new here, but I've spent countless hours reading threads lately, and have seen enough of your replies in other posts to respect you and your opinion. So again, apologies if my wording was offensive in anyway. I merely came seeking information. I had preconceived notions about the issue, but I was wondering if I may have been wrong.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 13, 18:43:44
Hmm, not sure how I made such a silly error, but I was puzzled by why the "BV no CD" article never showed up in my search results when it clearly talked a lot about SecuROM. Now I know. Thanks!

The search function in this forum is the cause of much wailing and gnashing of teeth even among forum regulars, so don't feel bad.  :)

I just wanted to add that I've heard some people report that Bon Voyage refused to install if it detected the presence of certain programs (such as Daemon Tools) on their computers.  Others have been unable to run the game at all without a no-CD crack due to Zazuzu's issue #3.

I personally dislike the thing because it irritates me no end to have to haul the CD out every time I want to run the game, and unlike the copy protection on earlier EP's, SecuROM won't let me start it up using GameJackal (a perfectly legal program that requires the original CD for initial setup) instead.

Also, I just have a strong philosophical objection to anything being on my computer that won't delete when I hit 'Delete,' especially if I was not accorded the courtesy of being told about it beforehand.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 13, 19:26:50
It sounds like Maxis (EA, whatever) is screwing this up more and more. If this were a restaurant, we'd get free (better) replacements, an apology and a coupon. Personally, I love OFB and I love UNI (although I seem to be in the minority on the latter), but from everything I read, I think I may just stop here while I'm still happy with the game overall (for the most part).

I definitely echo your sentiments regarding things being installed without consent or at least being made aware, and certainly being restricted from ultimate control of your PC is enough to make me throw mice and fruitsnacks. But I guess in my old age, and pessimistic view of life, I've come to realize that most companies don't really give a damn about courtesy anymore. Although I am still puzzled as to why they think we'll never notice. We always do.

Honestly, I'm trying to avoid dealing with all this other nonsense if I can, which was the main reason I was hoping to learn as much as I could about the threats that SecuRom might have posed (if any). If running from the disc doesn't turn my comp into a BFBVFS, I'm happy. But if I have to start downloading cracks and special tools just to play a game I paid US$50 for, plus hundreds of extra dollars for all the EPs and SPs, just because it was virtually unplayable from the box or risked my computer, then EA can go to hell. I've got a lot of other fun games from less devious companies with which I can divert my attention if one of them becomes more hassle than fun.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2007 October 13, 19:47:13
Honestly, I'm trying to avoid dealing with all this other nonsense if I can, which was the main reason I was hoping to learn as much as I could about the threats that SecuRom might have posed (if any). If running from the disc doesn't turn my comp into a BFBVFS, I'm happy. But if I have to start downloading cracks and special tools just to play a game I paid US$50 for, plus hundreds of extra dollars for all the EPs and SPs, just because it was virtually unplayable from the box or risked my computer, then EA can go to hell. I've got a lot of other fun games from less devious companies with which I can divert my attention if one of them becomes more hassle than fun.

At this point I think whether or not I continue to pick up the EP's is going to depend on what the new EP's contain and how much of an issue it will be to upgrade.  I can live with having to keep downloading cracks and stripping out the SecuROM with each EP and/or patch, if necessary.  But if, as Deviancy predicts, new cracks are not forthcoming...well, there's tons of custom content and mods out there to keep my game fresh, and the more difficult and annoying EA makes it for us to keep adding expansions, the more motivated creators will be to learn to come up with fun new stuff themselves.  Or at least I hope so.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 13, 20:41:25
...well, there's tons of custom content and mods out there to keep my game fresh, and the more difficult and annoying EA makes it for us to keep adding expansions, the more motivated creators will be to learn to come up with fun new stuff themselves.  Or at least I hope so.

Honestly, that's why I have yet to buy any of the stuff packs. I can't envision paying US$20 for a handful of new items, most of which I don't even care about, when I can pick and choose exactly what I want, for free, and frequently at much higher levels of quality from websites like this. Which brings up something else - the only reason MATY is even around is because JM is doing for free what Maxis should have paid its people to do the first time around. As much as I appreciate JM and the MATY crew, this shouldn't be necessary. I swear, I really think some of these companies are releasing games in the states that they are because they know somebody in their respective communities is going to fix it for them and it won't cost them a dime (actually we are *paying* for their borked crap and then fixing it for free; what's the definition of a sucker?). "Yeah, it's done enough, ship it out and let them fix it. Start the next EP!" I've never seen this in any other industry, at least not to this degree. What if Ford BMW made their cars half-ass and required customers to fix it at their own time and expense? Or what if you got an oil change, but they secretly slipped something else in there without permission or notification that could screw up other parts of the car? There'd be hell to pay. And we're not talking about simple fixes here, at least not for the layman. How many Sims players do you really think can grasp this SecuRom tutorial. I'm not trying to insult here, but a high computer literacy isn't required for most games - and it shouldn't be. Apparently EA doesn't agree with me.

Okay, I better stop. I just totally derailed this thread. Feel free to move my posts to a relevant whiny section if you like. Or burninate them. Or rip off my lips. Or both.


EDIT: Good God, this is beyond disgraceful. I hope I didn't belittle anyone and their problems with any of the previous statements. I just spent a while reading the BBS with Maxoid Sam (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=4f90725217b358753515d34b6a607873&directoryID=211&startRow=1&openItemID=item.211,root.1,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23#b751cea4d0687bbe54f7ddbd16e79da6) (where I notice some MATY members have posted); I had no idea the problems were so extensive. But what I find odd is why this information isnt being better spread to the internet. This needs to get out there (even if only to boycott EA). My mind is made up - screw giving them any more of my hard earned money. I hope JM makes a real world burninator so we can turn EAxis into a BFFBVFFS (extra Fs added for dramatic effect and censored cussing).

EDIT #2: I just found this online. Sounds a little too easy, but it also makes sense logically. Posting it here to see what any of you might think.

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The easiest way to remove it without using additional software, is to go and delete it from the \windows\system32\ folder (I think the filename is UAService7.exe).

Then make a text file with the same name, in the same directory, and then right click the file, and make it "Hidden" and "Read Only". Then go into Control Panel/Admin/Services and disable/stop the SecuROM service. It will never load OR install ever again, and you are forever ridden of SecuROM but can still play all SecuROM games.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2007 October 14, 00:47:26
As someone noted here or in one of the other BV threads, the Slashdot web site has noticed the uproar, and they're one of the big gamer news sites.  So the word is getting out there beyond the Sims community.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 14, 01:49:04
Yeah, I discovered if I try a bunch of different keyword strings, I can bring up a better selection of specific articles, but you have to know what the keywords are before you can really search. Kinda hard if you don't know anything about it initially. LOL.


Title: Re: Bah.
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 14, 05:23:59
Ah, cassette tape drives - when volume control could screw up your entire save process.

LOL! Ah I miss my old TI.

You know, I actually can't help but wonder if the CD burner problems I've been experiencing have really been related to this SecuROM crap. I wrote it off as normal misbehavior, but now I'm not so sure. It didn't give me too much trouble until about 4 or 5 months ago. I thought maybe I had just overused it. But it just so happens I installed The Sims 2 then. Before that, I was using my friend's copy, but when she took it back I had to buy my own. And guess what? I bought Deluxe, one of the SecuROM carriers. Unwittingly.

Now I also wondered, "If Deluxe had SecuROM, why is it only now becoming a problem?" That thought contributed to my suspicion that most of the people (not all) were misdiagnosing their problems. But then it occurred to me that not many people had bought Sims 2 Deluxe, but Bon Voyage, the first non-repeated EP to be released with SecuROM - the majority of the players grabbed that one. Thus, it suddenly seems to appear, even though it's technically been floating around for over a year.

And my writing this off as normal wear and tear makes me wonder something else. How many people out there are doing the same thing? Writing off SecuROM problems as something else? EA claims it can't be SecuROM based mostly on the fact they've received few actual complaints (they say 41 phone calls and around 1000 BBS posters, as of a few days ago). They call that few, but they also say they've sold 100,000 copies. That's a 1:100 problem ratio, which should be unacceptable to most companies -  sure would be in the car industry (however, I argue that the numbers their using are inaccurately evaluated; I think it's closer to 1:30 and that's probably too high as well).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 October 14, 06:09:46
Deluxe not exhibiting problems would simply be because if you have a more advanced expansion pack, its executables are used instead of the more primitive ones. Therefore, it never becomes a factor. Same reason why H&M and Celebrations(?) which had it, also didn't become issues, because their executables are not used.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: muridae on 2007 October 14, 11:48:58
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You know, I actually can't help but wonder if the CD burner problems I've been experiencing have really been related to this SecuROM crap. I wrote it off as normal misbehavior, but now I'm not so sure.

My laptop's DVD burner started playing up round about Christmas last year, at which point it was about 8 months old and hadn't been heavily used. I wrote it off to crappy hardware at the time, but the problems all started at around the time I installed Neverwinter Nights 2. So I've now checked, and yes, there are SecuROM services and registry entries, and the datestamps match up to when I patched NWN2. And I use Nero to burn DVDs, which would also be a factor. So it's taken 9-10 months for me to start wondering whether there could be a connection between me installing a game and the DVD drive playing up.

To be fair, it could still just be crappy device drivers and nothing to do with NWN2's SecuROM. But when I can find time I'll do a complete rebuild of the machine and not put any games back on it. In the meantime I'm trying to keep my desktop machine clean, so that I can at least burn DVDs somewhere.

I do wonder how extensive a range of hardware it's been tested with. I have a SATA DVD burner in my desktop machine, and that's definitely caused me compatibility issues with a couple of pieces of software before they got patched, because they were expecting an IDE drive. It's a Lightscribe drive too; heaven only knows if that confuses the issue.

Quote from: JCSpencer
But then it occurred to me that not many people had bought Sims 2 Deluxe, but Bon Voyage, the first non-repeated EP to be released with SecuROM - the majority of the players grabbed that one. Thus, it suddenly seems to appear, even though it's technically been floating around for over a year.

There have also been other choices for latecomers to the game to buy, other than Deluxe. In the UK we've certainly had a Base Game + Pets bundle, and a "Festive Edition" which bundled the base game and the holiday stuff pack, and I still see them on the shelves from time to time. Deluxe was released 2 months later over here, so only came out 2 months before Bon Voyage. So those regional differences whittle down the numbers who might have got problems from it still further, even before you factor in combining it with later EPs and SPs.

Also, for some people, Bon Voyage displays quite noticeable lag problems just trying to load the game, with stuttering audio/video at the neighbourhood chooser and during the initial neighbourhood load. That's an immediate giveaway clue that there's something slightly wrong; if the earlier games with SecuROM on loaded smoothly their owners would have had no real reason to look deeply into what the game was doing on their PC.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 14, 16:21:35
Thanks for the clarification, JM. That didn't occur to me, but I guess it's why I my problems have been so small and intermittent. I acquired EPs pretty soon after Deluxe, so I stopped using that disc.

muridae, I have pretty much the same bizarre happenings as you denote. I also use Nero and Sonic, and further my system (laptop) is an HP, which I heard someone say was also causing conflicts (although I've heard several reports about peope having problems even with Sony equipment). But I'm also hard on my computers. I usually end up replacing them every 18 months or so, sometimes more frequently. Not from abuse mind you (that's reserved for my separate keyboard and mouse). I just overuse the hell out of them and they are almost never shutdown, other than for the few seconds before restarting them. So I'm used to things acting up over time; but the computer was still pretty new when I had the burner issues. However, after seeing stories like yours and mine, where it's easy to see how we can *think* it's something else, I wonder, if you have hundreds of people that are thinking "nah, it's not SecuROM, it's something else," then there seems to be an uncomfortable pattern. Some are doing this just because they don't want to jump on the bandwagon out of ignorance and point the finger at EA, but how many of us are there going to be (people with SecuROM-type problems, but that are looking for other reasons) before we realize - there are way too many coincidences to ignore. That's a rhetorical question, lol, not directing it at you specifically. And what the point of that diatribe was, well... I'm still in the middle of my first cup of coffee?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 14, 16:47:59
I wonder if the references to rootkits and security concerns are related to the Sony fiasco some time back.  They had decided on a DRM scheme that installed a rootkit on your computer, without your knowledge or consent.  And this was music, not even a program. 

Rootkits, for those who don't know,  are cloaking technologies that hide files, Registry keys, and other system objects from diagnostic.  It's like the cloaking devices in Star Trek.  It makes you invisible and almost undetectable.

The Sony rootkit was designed to hide any files, registry keys and processes starting with the string $sys$,, IIRC.  You can see right away the potential for any hacker to exploit this to run a virus or malware and stay hidden from detection.  A fact that escaped no one.  In fact it was quickly taken up by some enterprising fellows in an online game who used it to hide cheating software from the scanners installed by the game to detect this type of thing.

To make matter worse, after Sony was called on it, and the controversy grew, this what happened :

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Sony BMG released a software utility to remove the rootkit component of XCP from affected Microsoft Windows computers, but this removal utility was soon analyzed by Russinovich again in his November 5, 2005, blog and revealed as only exacerbating the privacy and security concerns.[12]

In fact, the Sony BMG removal program merely unmasked the hidden files installed by the rootkit, but did not actually remove the rootkit. In addition, this program was reported to install additional software that cannot be uninstalled. In order to download the uninstaller, it is necessary to provide an e-mail address (which the Sony BMG Privacy Policy implies to be added to various bulk e-mail lists), and to install an ActiveX control containing backdoor methods (marked as "safe for scripting", and thus prone to exploits).

So from bad to worse.  You can read the story on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal and from Russinovich's blog : http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/search.aspx?q=rootkit&p=1 You shoud read the blog.   It was like a watching a train wreck.  It was funny at the time, but only because I wasn't actually on that train.

That was a FUBAR of monumental proportion and let to several lawsuits. It also set a bad precedent for the software industry.

So, not that I want defend EA, but this is nowhere near as bad as the Sony case.  The changes are not hidden, for one.  But the Sony case might be why people are mumbling about security issues.  It's just a guess on my part.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lorelei on 2007 October 14, 17:05:32
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maulware

(ROFFLE!)

I like that word. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 14, 18:26:30
The Sony rootkit was designed to hide any files, registry keys and processes starting with the string $sys$,, IIRC.  You can see right away the potential for any hacker to exploit this to run a virus or malware and stay hidden from detection.  A fact that escaped no one.  In fact it was quickly taken up by some enterprising fellows in an online game who used it to hide cheating software from the scanners installed by the game to detect this type of thing.

Not to mention all the other trojans, malware, spyware and adware, and who knows what else, that also took advantage of Sony's free umbrella.

So, not that I want defend EA, but this is nowhere near as bad as the Sony case.  The changes are not hidden, for one.  But the Sony case might be why people are mumbling about security issues.  It's just a guess on my part.

I wouldn't defend EA, in fact *because* of this they should be smacked silly. It's not like it was a secret, isolated little incident. It's all over the big news, music and gaming boards. Everyone knew what Sony had done, so EA was just plain stupid for getting involved (not to mention aligning yourself with a company that has been getting worse and worse PR lately, with statements such as the one declaring "copying a song from a CD you own is stealing.")

I think the real reason EA kept us in the dark about the new "copy protection" was not because they didn't feel like making a new EULA, but because they knew most informed customers would never have bought the affected games had they told us up front that SecuROM was on it - it's already got a bad track record, and there would have been warning posts put up on every major gaming and Sims-related website. Maybe that's a little conspiracy-theory-ish, but ...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 14, 19:44:30
I think part of the damn problem with all of this having happened to begin with is how corporations promote new members of their team. They bring in people from outside the company who know about business in general but not about the specific business that they are in. One example of this is my manager and I reading a transcript from the head GameStop office. "We welcome out new VIP who comes to us after being an executive of Tacobell". Not an exact quote as my memory is horrible but you get the gist. What the fuck does Tacobell have to do with selling games? The guy must know business, but what does he know about this business?
It's horrible business practices like this, putting a person who knows nothing about the particular business, in charge of making decisions that effect the more base and supporting levels of the business. So maybe the guys who wanted the almighty dollar actually had no idea about the Sony fiasco because they are so far at the top, it didn't effect them, they never knew about it, same thing with what everyone is saying all over the gaming sites about it, what could they know about it? They probably have nothing to do with games other then raking in the cash, why would they be on a gaming site? Which just points to them doing horrible research about a company before they make a deal with it, Sony is still one of the big boys, that's what most people see, unless you look in the right places you wouldn't see how big of a deal the incidents that surround them are. How many of the average joes on the street know about this incident or the other one?

Now the Sims 2 team is having to back peddle through enough sludge and shit to make Katrina proud. Part of the reason why there is the big cry of Rootkit with all of this, other then the previous DRM scheme, is the fact that SecuRom shows up with the rootkit revealer. If you see RootKit on your computer and there is this connection to a similar situation that had a real rootkit then yeah, you are going to get a little loud about it. That's one thing I want to know, why exactly does SecuRom show as a rootkit if it isn't one, what in it screams Rootkit to the programs meant to find these things?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 14, 20:33:15
From what I've read, it's identified as a rootkit because it's behaviors are virtually identical to (and thus fit the definition of) rootkit. Such as the manner in which it installs itself, the manner in which it runs, the manner in which it attempts to mask both its presence and its functions, the location where it is installed, and the fact that it does provide administrative-level access (or the potential for other programs to have it) on systems (which was the original purpose of rootkits on Unix systems, I believe). The people screaming that SecuROM is malicious are not really on the right track. With the DRM fiasco, Sony's program was not malicious in and of itself; it was the fact that it allowed a nice hiding place for other malicious programs, which is what Sony got sued for. And according to FTC Chairwoman Deborah Platt Majoras: "Installations of secret software that create security risks are intrusive and unlawful." Yet this is exactly what SecuROM is doing - it is a secret program (or attempts to be) that creates a security risk. It certainly was secret in the manner in which it was distributed to us.

And still EA hasn't answered this question: If they claim and truly believe that since SecuROM is a copy protection program - meaning they didn't feel it was necessary to disclose which CP they were using - then why can't it be uninstalled with the game, especially when they claim that SecuROM is integral to Bon Voyage? If it is going to leave the software on our computers even after the game is installed, then it is not integral; instead BV is dependent on it. There's a huge difference, especially since the latter requires not only EA to inform us of the install, but to inform us that SecuROM is part of the software's operational requirements. They were allowed to say that SecuROM was included, but they broke the law by hiding everything from us and allowing the installation of software the FTC labels as illegal. And that's another important point to get across to all the naysayers on the EA BBS claiming that SecuROM isn't damaging systems: Whether or not systems have been damaged because of SecuROM is not the point - EA broke the damn law! That's all that matters, and THAT affected everyone who purchased and installed any of the SecuROM-inclusive titles.

As for what you said, morriganrant, I agree with you mostly, except the higher ups weren't the ones programming the game. You'd think at some point someone in the company would've said, "Um, sir? Is this really a good idea?" You'd think someone that actually mattered in that company would've heard about SecuROM's previous woes. PR, legal, marketing, programming... someone. I dunno. I still think EA is more to blame than Sony. Sure, they made the product, but EA made the choice to give it to us without warning, and now is unwilling to make a sincere effort to apologize and help us fix this. They must have mighty big rugs in EA headquarters, that's all I can say.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 15, 03:15:08
Has anyone had success using these steps on a VISTA machine?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JCSpencer on 2007 October 15, 04:36:03
I can only suggest checking page 2 of this thread. Some users with Vista discussed using this method with success, although a couple of things seemed different, such as where registries are located, and possibly requires you to download a DLL that Vista no longer maintains by default. Wish I could be more help.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: miramis on 2007 October 15, 11:22:30
Has anyone had success using these steps on a VISTA machine?

Yes, it worked like a charm too.  In my own case a couple of steps weren't necessary because the files were apparently not installed, possibly because I have read-only dvd and cd drives.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celesta on 2007 October 15, 15:52:26
From what I've read, it's identified as a rootkit because it's behaviors are virtually identical to (and thus fit the definition of) rootkit. Such as the manner in which it installs itself, the manner in which it runs, the manner in which it attempts to mask both its presence and its functions, the location where it is installed, and the fact that it does provide administrative-level access (or the potential for other programs to have it) on systems (which was the original purpose of rootkits on Unix systems, I believe). The people screaming that SecuROM is malicious are not really on the right track. With the DRM fiasco, Sony's program was not malicious in and of itself; it was the fact that it allowed a nice hiding place for other malicious programs, which is what Sony got sued for. And according to FTC Chairwoman Deborah Platt Majoras: "Installations of secret software that create security risks are intrusive and unlawful." Yet this is exactly what SecuROM is doing - it is a secret program (or attempts to be) that creates a security risk. It certainly was secret in the manner in which it was distributed to us.

And still EA hasn't answered this question: If they claim and truly believe that since SecuROM is a copy protection program - meaning they didn't feel it was necessary to disclose which CP they were using - then why can't it be uninstalled with the game, especially when they claim that SecuROM is integral to Bon Voyage? If it is going to leave the software on our computers even after the game is installed, then it is not integral; instead BV is dependent on it. There's a huge difference, especially since the latter requires not only EA to inform us of the install, but to inform us that SecuROM is part of the software's operational requirements. They were allowed to say that SecuROM was included, but they broke the law by hiding everything from us and allowing the installation of software the FTC labels as illegal. And that's another important point to get across to all the naysayers on the EA BBS claiming that SecuROM isn't damaging systems: Whether or not systems have been damaged because of SecuROM is not the point - EA broke the damn law! That's all that matters, and THAT affected everyone who purchased and installed any of the SecuROM-inclusive titles.

As for what you said, morriganrant, I agree with you mostly, except the higher ups weren't the ones programming the game. You'd think at some point someone in the company would've said, "Um, sir? Is this really a good idea?" You'd think someone that actually mattered in that company would've heard about SecuROM's previous woes. PR, legal, marketing, programming... someone. I dunno. I still think EA is more to blame than Sony. Sure, they made the product, but EA made the choice to give it to us without warning, and now is unwilling to make a sincere effort to apologize and help us fix this. They must have mighty big rugs in EA headquarters, that's all I can say.

The main reason I say SecuROM is malicious is the fact that it shuts off firewalls without our knowledge.  This leaves machines vulnerable to malware. 

The rootkit in SecuROM fits the definition of an application level rootkit.  It's my contention that we have an IT professional's compiracy that seeks to change the definition or separate other types rootkits of what has been traditionally known as rootkits to take the teeth out of other forms of rootkits given that Sony's kernal level rootkit has a very bad reputation and has come to everyone's attention. They probably got together at some IT convention think tank meeting and decided to take this approach as many software companies desire to use DRM technology for copy protection and don't want the other types of rootkits associated with the very nasty kernal rootkit.

I expect some time in the future we will be receiving a little post card in the mail informing us of our eligibility in a class action suit against EA/Sony over this matter and whether or not we want to take part in it.   I am beginning to see the second wave of complaints at the bbs as so many had forgone installing BV until that patch was released.  And then there is all those offline customers who haven't even purchased it yet since it's only been released for a month.  The nerve of EA not to remove their defective game off the shelves, if not for the sake of it's customers, at the very least to save their own behinds.   So EA has more complaints coming down the pike.  It's not over until its over.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 15, 18:13:58
It is EA though and not just The Sims 2 branch. SecuRom 7.x is on many EA games now, they've started to put it on all of them. Would The Sims 2 branch have been able to stop it from being put everywhere? I doubt it, this is a big financial deal for them. We may have a chance if enough of us complain, that does not mean that they'll switch back all EA games but they may just switch back to SafeDisc for The Sims to get us all to shut up, I don't see how it would be financially beneficial for them that way though, it would probably cost less to only pay one company for their piracy protection services. How many are in on the big deals before they happen? In most cases everyone else just has to flow with it after it happens. I'm not saying EA is not a fault, they most certainly are, if only for being completely blind when it came to Sonys past mishaps, I am saying that The Sims 2 branch may not have had that pull and maybe if they did, how many of these people still play games and visit gaming sites in their spare time? For some, the hobby dwindles, you don't spend the time on it that you once did. Someone is at fault, they did not use their heads and did not do sufficient research, otherwise they would have seen it for the horrible idea that it was, unless the focus on the money was just too much for them. They probably had a deal, EA already puts games on Sony systems, I'm thinking there was some sort of "let's make a deal" situation and all sense was lost in money grubbing. When you get that high up, you loose sight of what exactly is holding you up, in this case a whole lot of angry gamers, hopefully their tower is shuddering enough for them to take notice that their foundation is crumbling.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 October 15, 18:38:16
We may have a chance if enough of us complain, that does not mean that they'll switch back all EA games but they may just switch back to SafeDisc for The Sims to get us all to shut up, I don't see how it would be financially beneficial for them that way though, it would probably cost less to only pay one company for their piracy protection services.

Yeah, well, that would make sense if the solution they chose actually did what was intended - stop piracy of the games.  In the case of TS2, far from discouraging "arrr!" versions, it has positively encouraged even those of us who own legit CD/DVD copies to download torrent versions and no-CD cracks, just to avoid having screw-u-ROM on our systems.  It is therefore doing the opposite of what EA contracted Sony to provide.  It costs them more to have the privacy protection than not have it, because they are now paying Sony for the "benefit" of having their former customers arrrr! the program.

Conclusion: their entire policy/strategy regarding protection is counterintuitive and made of FAIL.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 16, 11:35:57
The main reason I say SecuROM is malicious is the fact that it shuts off firewalls without our knowledge.  This leaves machines vulnerable to malware. 

In my experience, this is not fact, at least with respect to the way that Sims 2 is using SecuROM.
I have directly investigated this claim with no success in verifying it.  Although, I am an IT professional, so I might be part of the compiracy.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 16, 13:50:20
Tell that to my Norton Anti-Virus caught in a continual uninstall/reinstall loop.  ::)  If I was more awesome, I'd already have the Securom off my computer. When I do, if I have the same problem, I'll stop blaming SecuRom. Yes, I have contacted Norton and tried all their fixes. At first they were helpful, but now they've taken to repeating the same instructions over and over. I guess they're taking a page from EA's customer support manual.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 16, 15:49:18
The main reason I say SecuROM is malicious is the fact that it shuts off firewalls without our knowledge.  This leaves machines vulnerable to malware. 

In my experience, this is not fact, at least with respect to the way that Sims 2 is using SecuROM.
I have directly investigated this claim with no success in verifying it.  Although, I am an IT professional, so I might be part of the compiracy.

Conspiracy!!!!!

Considering that I personally had issues with McAfee saying my sub was up, and others have had issues with Norton Antivirus doing the same or stalling/erroring during scans, it's not a huge leap that some firewalls might be seen as The Evil by SecuROM. The thing displays no logic whatsoever. I've seen several people here and on the BBS post that their firewall was turned off or had increased events. Too many to be coincidence.

I also had an obscene amount of blocked events (I'm at tight security level), but more suspect a coincidence in my case. I don't see how the two could be linked. And yes, since SecuROM was removed I've had no--count 'em--no events, but I also banned a whole bunch of EPs at the same time. Can't be sure.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 16, 17:06:49
Yes Ritcher I agree.  The list of the evils of SecuRom is getting a little too long to be believable.  I would imagine that maybe just maybe, some antivirus wouldn't deal with the software well when it attempts to scan some protected data.  It's like running two Antivirus programs on the same machine.  It's usually a bad idea, because they conflict with each other.

Turning off firewalls? I seriously doubt it. I just think that because SecuRom is so very close to being malware, that it's considered to be  one and the same and gets blamed for typical malware activities, like turning off your antivirus and firewall and establishing multiple connections to unknown ip addresses.  It is malware, but the difference between Securom and the stuff in the wild is that it's malware used by legitimate companies.  So they have to show some restraint, unless they want to be the target of multiple lawsuits.

I think we are just seeing a reaction where people are blaming everything weird that happens on their computer to Securom.  There is a logic to what this program does. It's main objective is to prevent the running of illegal copies.  So it messes with DVD drivers.  It attempts to detect the running of software that circumvents copy protection.  It does a bad job and produces false positives.  It attempts to hide itself and so triggers programs that are designed to detect behavior like that (Antivirus). It's annoying and undesirable but it makes sense. within the scope of what it is trying to do.   

I had a user the other day call me because she thought she had a virus on her computer because she opened a JPG and mysteriously her background was changed.   It was a perfectly innocent little JPG attached to a perfectly innocent little email.  I can always tell a viruse email just by looking,  but I scanned it to be sure). When she opened the JPG she must have clicked on the option to make it a desktop background.  But since viruses are mysterious evil programs that do mysterious things, and something mysterious occured, ergo, it must be a virus.  (To be fair, I know that some malware do change backgrounds, however, not usually to a bunch of pumpkins).

So I think this is the phenomenon that is at work here.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2007 October 16, 17:25:35
Turning off firewalls? I seriously doubt it. I just think that because SecuRom is so very close to being malware, that it's considered to be  one and the same and gets blamed for typical malware activities, like turning off your antivirus and firewall and establishing multiple connections to unknown ip addresses.  It is malware, but the difference between Securom and the stuff in the wild is that it's malware used by legitimate companies.  So they have to show some restraint, unless they want to be the target of multiple lawsuits.


And you say this in spite of what experienced computer users, many of them professionals in the field, have said here and elsewhere about SecuROM preventing their McAfee and Norton internet suites (which include firewalls) from working? And also seeing multiple attempts to 'call home' while the game is running, and ONLY while the game is running?  On what basis do you make your claims that people are just getting hysterical and blowing this out of proportion?  Do you, perhaps, work for EAxis, or Sony?

(And that's not even considering the installation of a service that bypasses the user's security on the system and installs itself with administrator rights if you install the game under a user account that doesn't have admin rights.  That's one of the definitions of malware.)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 October 16, 17:33:55
It is malware, but the difference between Securom and the stuff in the wild is that it's malware used by legitimate companies.  So they have to show some restraint, unless they want to be the target of multiple lawsuits.

My understanding is that Sony has already been the target of at least one lawsuit related to SecuROM, precisely because of the malware characteristics of this sort of copy protection.  Your argument PHAILS!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Quinctia on 2007 October 16, 18:08:41
I have one of the audio CD's with the copy protection they got sued over.  It's not restrained.  I really only lucked out in the fact that I was running a 98SE system at the time, and the installation was limited to a .dll.  I still could only delete it from the command line, however.  The rootkit was installed on XP machines.

It's really a shame, because I love the band whose album I bought, and they really deserved a lot of support, but I held off on suggesting people buy their music until it was available in digital formats, like on iTunes, because of the horrid junk on the CD.

You say it's unbelievable that SecuRom could mess with a firewall.  You would think it'd be unbelievable that an audio CD would contain a rootkit that disabled functions on a computer, just because someone wanted to, say, listen to the CD on their computer or rip copies of it to use in their portable music players.  But Sony already did that--it's not really a stretch.  Also, keep in mind that messing with a firewall doesn't necessarily mean that SecuRom intentionally messes with firewalls; sometimes corporate incompetance has the same results as corporate maliciousness.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 16, 18:58:35
It is malware, but the difference between Securom and the stuff in the wild is that it's malware used by legitimate companies.  So they have to show some restraint, unless they want to be the target of multiple lawsuits.

My understanding is that Sony has already been the target of at least one lawsuit related to SecuROM, precisely because of the malware characteristics of this sort of copy protection.  Your argument PHAILS!

tut tut.  My argument did not PHAILS.  Since I said that if they don't show restraint they will be the target of lawsuits and they were.  And that Sony fiasco was far from showing restraint.  That was a train wreck of gigantic proportions. They deserve all the lawsuits they are getting.

However, unless there is another incident that I am not aware of, at that point they were installing a rootkit on people's computer.  That all of itself was pretty damn rotten to begin with.  But to make matter worse, their rootkit worked by hiding any process, file or registry key that started with $sys$, IIRC.  Holy security vulnerability Batman.  I would think, hope, expect, that after being sued, lambasted, publicly humiliated, drawn and quartered (maybe not that yet), they have learned SOME lesson.  Maybe not quite enough, but anyway.  They didn't get sued for Securom but for something called XCP.  Unless they got sued again and I don't know about it.

And no, I don't work for Sony, Ea, Securom or anyone remotely related to them.  It's just that, when everyone is forwarding to "all the people they know" dire warnings about aid infected needles in cinema seats, I'm the person who is on the net, checking the story out.

I don't panic easily.  I don't like hearsay.  As JM calls it "lies and propaganda". I want explanations and information that make sense, before I am convinced of anything.   And so far, I am not convinced.  I've googled it.  I've seen many people complain that their antivirus, especially AVG, and and securom don't like each other (which isn't really surprising).  I've seen lots of people wonder if it's a rootkit.  I've seen many other say no, it's not.  ( I don't think so either....that XCP WAS a rootkit, no doubts about it).  No mention of firewalls. 

I think there is no doubt that it's a really crappy piece of software and a really bad idea on EA's part to implement it.  They should have kept on using whatever the heck they used before.  I hope's someone ass on the line for this stupid decision.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 16, 19:14:52
Quinctia,  I remember that incident clearly.  I was following it at the time.  That was unbelievable.  And that stuff was naaaaasty.  Almost impossible to remove without making your system unstable.  It was a nasty piece of business.  Then after the uproar, they finally, reluctantly agreed to provide a means to remove it.   But you had to send them a request and they would email you back some kind of key that was only good for that one computer.  And to make use of the key you had to install an activex component that introduced another security vulnerability.  What a shambles that was.

Read about XCP here.  It's enough to make your hair stand on your head, to know that this was somehow done by a big corporation.  Although they probably had no idea just what it was they bought.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCP



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dano on 2007 October 16, 19:29:24
...
FYI, ever since I started using this fix, my graphics problems have apparently gone away.  I have a fairly recent Nvidia video card (7600GS) & ever since I installed BV I've been having crashes.  The whole screen would freeze & then get corrupted (like random pixels were shifted right or left).   My computer would either reboot by itself, or I'd have to do a hard reboot myself.  I kept updating my drivers to the most recent beta drivers from Nvidia, but it never helped.

After I did these steps, I haven't had this happen.  I even tried to cause it, by setting all my graphics options to high and going to the CAS screen.    Not sure why this fix would have that effect, but I'm glad it did.

Whoopsie, spoke too soon.  :-[  This is still happening occasionally, although with much less regularity than before.   Never mind...

dano


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 16, 20:12:18
Conspiracy!!!!!

Considering that I personally had issues with McAfee saying my sub was up, and others have had issues with Norton Antivirus doing the same or stalling/erroring during scans

My mistake.  The OP said "firewall" not "anti-virus".  Anti-virus software is not firewall software, even if they are bundled together.  It is not unusual for there to be conflicts with AV software, unfortunately.

SecuROM, as installed by Sims 2 patch 1 on my sandbox PC, does not interfere with my firewall and does not bypass the firewall to access the network.  It also does not phone home, as measured by the log on my separate LAN monitoring platform.

I don't use Norton Internet Security because I don't trust the Norton firewall software.

I don't work for EA or Sony or any company related to SecuROM or Sims 2, either.







Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2007 October 16, 20:27:51
I don't use Norton because it's a resource hog. I don't like to share my playing area with pigs.

I use PCillian.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lemonfresh on 2007 October 16, 20:36:22
The main reason I say SecuROM is malicious is the fact that it shuts off firewalls without our knowledge.  This leaves machines vulnerable to malware. 

In my experience, this is not fact, at least with respect to the way that Sims 2 is using SecuROM.
I have directly investigated this claim with no success in verifying it.  Although, I am an IT professional, so I might be part of the compiracy.

Conspiracy!!!!!

Considering that I personally had issues with McAfee saying my sub was up, and others have had issues with Norton Antivirus doing the same or stalling/erroring during scans, it's not a huge leap that some firewalls might be seen as The Evil by SecuROM. The thing displays no logic whatsoever. I've seen several people here and on the BBS post that their firewall was turned off or had increased events. Too many to be coincidence.

I also had an obscene amount of blocked events (I'm at tight security level), but more suspect a coincidence in my case. I don't see how the two could be linked. And yes, since SecuROM was removed I've had no--count 'em--no events, but I also banned a whole bunch of EPs at the same time. Can't be sure.

Add me to the list of people who've had their AV software and firewall screwed up because of SecuRom. I just spent the last couple of hours attempting to repair the damage and eventually just doing a complete remove/re-install. I know for a fact that it was SecuRom that did it because I've not installed anything since BV. And both were working perfectly prior to BV. Thankfully I haven't installed anything since BV, as I've had my AV and firewall turned off in an attempt to get BV to actually run! Of course, I removed the garbage as soon as I found out it'd infected my PC, but apparently I was too late to avoid the hassles. I'm so pissed about this SecuRom thing I could spit nails. It'll be a long time before I consider buying any sort of PC game ever again and only after checking that it's not connected with Sony and it's Malware.  >:(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 16, 20:38:42
A question from yet another non-awesome person. This is what I get when I run the RegDelNull commands

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/jmtmom/ScreenShot030.jpg)

No options to delete anything, no results in the scan (if I'm reading it right)

Yet in my registry, I see the accursed files:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/jmtmom/ScreenShot031b.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/jmtmom/ScreenShot031a.jpg)


Any words of advice? I did perhaps screw it up by deleting whatever I could before running the scan, several folders of crap in the SecuRom folder.  ???


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: muridae on 2007 October 16, 20:50:50
A question from yet another non-awesome person. This is what I get when I run the RegDelNull commands (...)
Any words of advice? I did perhaps screw it up by deleting whatever I could before running the scan, several folders of crap in the SecuRom folder.  ???

Try running the scans again, but put a space between "hkcu" and the "-s". The "-s" is the instruction that tells regdelnull to do the scan, and "hkcu" (or "hku") is the part of the registry that it's actually scanning. Without the space, it's looking for something that doesn't exist.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 16, 21:01:00
Got rid of the "DO NOT DELETE" with your advice muridae.  ;D   I'll keep trying on the other one.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 16, 21:51:52
It is malware, but the difference between Securom and the stuff in the wild is that it's malware used by legitimate companies.  So they have to show some restraint, unless they want to be the target of multiple lawsuits.

My understanding is that Sony has already been the target of at least one lawsuit related to SecuROM, precisely because of the malware characteristics of this sort of copy protection.  Your argument PHAILS!

tut tut.  My argument did not PHAILS.  Since I said that if they don't show restraint they will be the target of lawsuits and they were.  And that Sony fiasco was far from showing restraint.  That was a train wreck of gigantic proportions. They deserve all the lawsuits they are getting.
Your statement was correct Angelyne. However, they, as the company that got in bed with SecuROM, phail if they try to use this as a justification.

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However, unless there is another incident that I am not aware of, at that point they were installing a rootkit on people's computer.  That all of itself was pretty damn rotten to begin with.  But to make matter worse, their rootkit worked by hiding any process, file or registry key that started with $sys$, IIRC.  Holy security vulnerability Batman.  I would think, hope, expect, that after being sued, lambasted, publicly humiliated, drawn and quartered (maybe not that yet), they have learned SOME lesson.  <...truncated...> I've seen lots of people wonder if it's a rootkit.  I've seen many other say no, it's not.  ( I don't think so either....that XCP WAS a rootkit, no doubts about it). 
SecuROM does hide its files. Not only by making them garden-variety hidden, but by making the file names malformed so that they cannot be removed without additional utilities.  Now as for the rest of the rootkit definitition bits, I'm not sure. At best, it's a gray area.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 16, 22:07:38
Yes, it can provide a backdoor for others to have access to my computer systems. Herein lies the meat of my question.  If I can manage to totally lock down all incoming and outgoing communications for the game executable, the launcher and the uaservice files, does this effectively muzzle securom?

What I am hoping to do is to just stop it from communicating.

My investigation shows that during normal operation, SecuROM is not making a habit of communicating outside of the PC after installed by Sim 2 BV gold or patch 1.  I do not know about the stuff pack because I don't own it, nor am I testing other SecuROM installations that may have come from other games.  I have recorded no instances of communications by SecuROM after installation.  I have not checked DURING installation yet.

The Sims 2 program at BV level does not need to communicate with the outside world.  Mine does not from the start of the game to the neighborhood menu.  I do not use the launcher, I start the Sims directly.

I do not have McAfee, but my experiments with Symantec Anti Virus 9 shows that it SecuROM is not messing with it and it is working and updating fine.

SecuROM does not disable my firewall sofware, either.

I should note that SecuROM is not causing any problems on my sandbox system, as of yet.  The DVD and CD writers both are working normally.  The only symptom I have is that Process Explorer is detected by SecuROM, but that is easily countered.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 16, 22:55:15
My logs were showing many attempts by Sims2ep6.exe to access the net at start up and during play. I firewalled it and my vanilla, BV game, lag stopped. Eh, I have no idea why it's connecting for some but not for others but it was defiantly showing activity on my machine. I had Norton firewall at the time, I've since ditched it and I am now using windows firewall. Norton seemed to have no problem with letting it through and my free subscription expired a while back so I was in the market for a new one anyway.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 16, 23:23:44

I do not have McAfee, but my experiments with Symantec Anti Virus 9 shows that it SecuROM is not messing with it and it is working and updating fine.

SecuROM does not disable my firewall sofware, either.


Well my Paid Norton is not working at all. I believe it's SecuRom but I haven't been able to completely get it off my system, that's the only thing that will tell me for sure. I've uninstalled and reinstalled Norton multiple times and followed the instructions they gave me to no avail.

I'm tearing my hair out trying to follow the SecuRom removal instructions posted here. I may give up and reformat, it would be easier and I don't have much to lose on this computer.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 17, 00:48:07
My logs were showing many attempts by Sims2ep6.exe to access the net at start up and during play.

I think that is Sims 2 behavior, not SecuROM.  Sims 2 does have the ability to check for patches and connect to the Exchange.  I turn that off.

I am continuing to watch this machine as I just use Sims 2 BV normally.  Sims 2 and SecuROM have free run of the computer to do as they please.  Nothing says they have to phone home every day, if they are so inclined to phone home at all.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 17, 01:10:39
My game has never been set to auto login, I'm aware of the game options. I don't need them to inform me of a patch, I can check that myself. Besides, it's unlikely that I would bother installing an EAxis patch at the moment they announce it, anyway. It would have been one thing if it was just the one attempt, but it was several, over and over.

My guess why, would be that I had installed using a torrented copy. I do have a legal copy but use isos for convenience. I share this computer, it's just easier to have images and no-cd cracks then trusting my significant other to place the cd back in it's box or at least in a place where it will not get damaged.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 17, 01:36:42

 
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SecuROM does hide its files. Not only by making them garden-variety hidden, but by making the file names malformed so that they cannot be removed without additional utilities.  Now as for the rest of the rootkit definitition bits, I'm not sure. At best, it's a gray area.

I don't think that's considered to be a rootkit.  If you use rootkit revealer (from Microsoft) and do a scan, you might find a couple of instances of keys with imbedded nulls, and they are actually legitimate.  One of them hides passwords information, IIRC.  A real rootkit hides better that that.  A rootkit is invisible from normal detection means. You need a special tool like the rootkit revealer.  From reading the Tom's Hardware article Securom makes itself difficult to remove and plays a couple of rather unkosher tricks, but it's not truly hidden, or especially difficult to remove. 

But the thing with the process explorer that is just rude!  Process explorer is a legitimate application (from Microsoft no less) and no two bit "security" software with delusions of grandeur should interfere with that!.

Again, not that I am defending that stupid piece of crap software, and the even more stupid decision to implement it.  Just that I am hearing a lot of terms being bandied about that seems to come from a big muddle combining the Securom mess, the Sony XCP fiasco and malware in general.  The XCP WAS a backdoor (the size of a freaking barn), and it WAS a rootkit and it WAS spyware (it phoned home). And you know what else?  On top of civil lawsuits, there was even discussion of criminal charges, and homeland security looked into the case.  a FUBAR of truly gigantic proportions.   Sony was in deep deep doodoo.  Would they be so incredibly stupid as to do the exact same thing again?? I know human stupidity knows no bounds but that's a bit much, even for Sony execs.. Unless the lass bunch have all committed hara-kiri.  Anyway. The thing is so far, I haven't heard any concrete evidence that Securom is a rootkit, even if it exhibits some rootkit like behavior, I've seen nothing to indicate it's a backdoor, and I've seen nothing to indicate it's spyware.  Although it fully fits the definition of malware.

Why does this bug me, and why does it look like I'm defending Securom?  I'm not.  I don't give a rat's ass about it.  It's crap and the sooner it's off your system the better.  But there is a lot of misinformation out there on the subject and it's making people panic.  And panicked people do panicky things like reformat their drives.  And then they come here and complain about loosing everything in the big securom crash of '07.  Blah.  I don't want to hear that.    But seriously.  It's probably because I work in tech support, it goes against the grain to see people freak out about their computers and my professional reflexes kick in.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 17, 01:47:49

I do not have McAfee, but my experiments with Symantec Anti Virus 9 shows that it SecuROM is not messing with it and it is working and updating fine.

SecuROM does not disable my firewall sofware, either.


Well my Paid Norton is not working at all. I believe it's SecuRom but I haven't been able to completely get it off my system, that's the only thing that will tell me for sure. I've uninstalled and reinstalled Norton multiple times and followed the instructions they gave me to no avail.

I'm tearing my hair out trying to follow the SecuRom removal instructions posted here. I may give up and reformat, it would be easier and I don't have much to lose on this computer.

What part of the removal process are you having problems with?  And what is Norton doing ?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 17, 03:27:08

What part of the removal process are you having problems with?

I was able to take out the "CAUTION!! NEVER DELETE" key using the DOS command "regdelnull hkcu -s" after quite a bit of stumbling. It hasn't yet worked for the "regdelnull hku -s" command. It says it's scanning, but doesn't show anything. I still have the miles long key/folder in my HKEY_USERS and cannot delete it. I have not been able to get the "uaservice7/remove" command to work either. It's rather ballsy or stupid of me to attempt it as I knew nothing about DOS commands when I began.

And what is Norton doing ?

My Norton suddenly shut off completely and instructed me to uninstall/reinstall. It gets as far as configuring, then prompts to uninstall/reinstall  over and over. I got some instructions from Norton Support, but I found myself unable to access all the files even with an Administrator account. I've used their removal tool, downloaded a fresh copy several times. I think one reason I'm even trying to remove the SecuRom rather than reformatting is to prove to myself that it is the cause of my problems. I am pretty close to giving up though and doing just that.

If it matters, I have a VISTA Ultimate 64 bit system on a 4 month old laptop.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2007 October 17, 04:57:47
Try this:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2006050909471013

I just got Norton cleaned off someone's laptop with this tool.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 17, 12:53:42
Try this:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2006050909471013

I just got Norton cleaned off someone's laptop with this tool.

Thanks Witch, but I already used this tool at Norton's instructions. It didn't resolve the issue. If I can manage to get the SecuRom off my computer, I'll know if it is the culprit or not.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 17, 14:22:56
well, first let's establish something basic.  Do you actually have the uaservice7 service on your computer?


Go to Start>Run and type "Services.msc" (without quotes) and press Enter.

Scan your list for Securom User access, if you find it  double click on it, click Stop and then set it to Disabled.

It's now got its teeth pulled.

We'll see about removing it if you can confirm it's actually there and running

PS.  Maybe Ritcher could confirm the exact name of the service.  My information might be out of date.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 17, 14:38:24
well, first let's establish something basic.  Do you actually have the uaservice7 service on your computer?


Go to Start>Run and type "Services.msc" (without quotes) and press Enter.

Scan your list for Securom User access, if you find it  double click on it, click Stop and then set it to Disabled.

It's now got its teeth pulled.

We'll see about removing it if you can confirm it's actually there and running


Actually, I didn't find it. I also searched for the specific file under windows/system32 and didn't find it. Perhaps I don't have it? Another VISTA user said they didn't. I did install BV under my Administrative account.

I still have the miles long key under HKEY_USERS though. I haven't been able to get that out yet. Probably because I am still struggling with mastering DOS commands. I was successful in deleting the "CAUTION_NEVER_DELETE" key though.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 17, 15:25:31
That's what I figured.  It was the same for me.  I had the registry key but not the service.  And only the DO NOT DELETE user registry key, which I deleted.

So I think Securom is not an issue and your Norton is just misbehaving, as antivirus are wont to do.

Maybe try uninstalling Norton from safe mode, if it will allow you.  Sometimes uninstallation in safe mode are better, because you have less issues with locked files.

Antivirus are tricky sometimes, because they are so much like malware themselves (by necessity).  They protect their files and processes in order not to be easily defeated by malware.  It makes uninstalling the thing sometimes difficult and the process can go awry to such a point that it's easier to simply restore.

However, just before you are ready to give up and go for a reformat, try one last thing.  Go to Accessories, System Tools, System restore.  Go back to a restore point that before all your issues started.  This should not affect your data (although back them just in case), but it will set the clock back if you want and undo all the system changes that were done, including installations of software.  Anything installed will be gone, all registry changes undone (including the Securom changes you did, which you will have to redo).



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 17, 16:29:17
That's what I figured.  It was the same for me.  I had the registry key but not the service.  And only the DO NOT DELETE user registry key, which I deleted.

So I think Securom is not an issue and your Norton is just misbehaving, as antivirus are wont to do.

Maybe try uninstalling Norton from safe mode, if it will allow you.  Sometimes uninstallation in safe mode are better, because you have less issues with locked files.

Antivirus are tricky sometimes, because they are so much like malware themselves (by necessity).  They protect their files and processes in order not to be easily defeated by malware.  It makes uninstalling the thing sometimes difficult and the process can go awry to such a point that it's easier to simply restore.

However, just before you are ready to give up and go for a reformat, try one last thing.  Go to Accessories, System Tools, System restore.  Go back to a restore point that before all your issues started.  This should not affect your data (although back them just in case), but it will set the clock back if you want and undo all the system changes that were done, including installations of software.  Anything installed will be gone, all registry changes undone (including the Securom changes you did, which you will have to redo).



Sadly, I do not have such a restore point. I don't know if it was my general un-awesomeness or some sinister behavior by SecuRom, but when I checked (hoping to avoid having to do all the tedious/terrifying mucking about in my registry) there were none. My earliest one is after Norton started acting up.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Alex on 2007 October 17, 16:45:14
I'm curious to know if anyone has noticed an increase in computer or even game performance since removing SecuROM?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mitchellcjs on 2007 October 17, 17:50:16
My game performance has altered little, but my DVD Burner software now works.  Before I payed closer attention, I actually went out and bought new (yucky) software for it that was "SecuROM Compatible".  With a No-CD executable and SecuROM removed, my old software functions properly again.  Also, no random hits on my firewall.  I don't know if everyone sees this, but my computer kept trying to contact someone or something about every 15 minutes before I removed SecuROM.  Now it doesn't do it at all unless I tell it to.  Again.  Finally.  The gods of sand that were compressed into chips to make my computer are happy again.  Techno-Shaman rule.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lemonfresh on 2007 October 17, 18:03:27
I'm curious to know if anyone has noticed an increase in computer or even game performance since removing SecuROM?

It's already been established that I need moar rams and graphics for my game to run 100%, but I have noticed a slight improvement since getting the malware off my computer. And my computer certainly runs better now that I've repaired all the software issues SecuRom caused. I think YMMV according to how many problems it's gifted you with. If you've not had the unfortunate experience of all it's many "gifts", you'll likely not notice too much difference. That being said, it's still a good idea to remove it, in case those "gifts", or perhaps a better word would be "features", decide to show up later.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: DJKID on 2007 October 17, 18:17:41
OK, so after reading topics/posts on this issue for 4 days now, I'm gonna ask(probably stupid questions) to re-re-recheck I'm doing this right.
Yes, I'm very paranoid about my computer.

First, is it safe to install BV from the disc or should I use a torrent instead? If I understand things correctly, I can use the disc so long as I avoid the original .exe.
I've been using CureSecuROM to scan for SecuROM on my computer. This WILL get the job done, right? Even if I do just use the disc to install, running the scanner will have it off immediately, right?
Second, using Invisigoth's advice in the beginning of the "BV and no CD?" thread will keep me safe and running smoothly, so far as intelligence goes.

And has anyone found a way around the conflicts between nVidia and BV? I tried updating my drivers and no go.(I have an 8600 GT)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 17, 18:19:43
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Sadly, I do not have such a restore point. I don't know if it was my general un-awesomeness or some sinister behavior by SecuRom, but when I checked (hoping to avoid having to do all the tedious/terrifying mucking about in my registry) there were none. My earliest one is after Norton started acting up.

Lol.  If Securom was a person, I'd feel sorry for him.  He would probably be blamed for the war in Iraq.   

I had the same situation as you.  Some registry entries and files, but no service running.  My restore points are all there.   So dunno what happened.  To clear your restore points, you need to turn off system restore, and then turn it back on.  Have you done that in the past?

The removal tool has a linkie "what if it didn't work"  http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2006100312110513?Open&docid=2006050909471013&nsf=sharedtech.nsf&view=docid&pid=2006050909471013&pkb=sharedtech
did you try the instruction there?  And also try their removal tool in safe mode if that doesn't work.

After that I'm out of ideas. 



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lemonfresh on 2007 October 17, 18:29:05
OK, so after reading topics/posts on this issue for 4 days now, I'm gonna ask(probably stupid questions) to re-re-recheck I'm doing this right.
Yes, I'm very paranoid about my computer.

First, is it safe to install BV from the disc or should I use a torrent instead? If I understand things correctly, I can use the disc so long as I avoid the original .exe.
I've been using CureSecuROM to scan for SecuROM on my computer. This WILL get the job done, right? Even if I do just use the disc to install, running the scanner will have it off immediately, right?
Second, using Invisigoth's advice in the beginning of the "BV and no CD?" thread will keep me safe and running smoothly, so far as intelligence goes.

And has anyone found a way around the conflicts between nVidia and BV? I tried updating my drivers and no go.(I have an 8600 GT)

It's ok to install from the disk. Do not run the game after you install. Before you run the game you must replace the game exe with the no-cd game exe. Make sure you change your desktop shortcut for the Sims so that it points to the Sims2Ep6.exe and not the Launcher.exe (or whatever it's called).

I can't answer your question about CureSecuRom because I've never used it. If you've only run the game with a no-cd, you shouldn't get SecuRom.

nVidia has notorious issues with Sims2, switch to ATI. ;)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 17, 18:41:22
Thanks for the help, Angelyne, your patience is duly noted, no more ideas are expected. I did use the Norton Removal Tool and the Safe Mode. Never have cleared my restore points, I've made some now, but that's just closing the barn door after the cow's gone.  ::)

After my last Windows update, things are even worse: I can't update my drivers, my temp file gives me error messages... >:(  I may do another system restore and see what that does.

I'm not surprised that SecuRom gets blamed for everything. The whole sneaky way EA put it in our systems, the fact that you need a LOT of knowledge or balls ovaries to get it off your system, the whole "I am not a rootkit, I just look like one" business. If SecuRom were a person, it would be the fat, uninvited uncle that stays in your house for weeks. Of course when you find the silver missing and the toilet seat broken, he's the one you suspect.  :P


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: DJKID on 2007 October 17, 18:55:02

It's ok to install from the disk. Do not run the game after you install. Before you run the game you must replace the game exe with the no-cd game exe. Make sure you change your desktop shortcut for the Sims so that it points to the Sims2Ep6.exe and not the Launcher.exe (or whatever it's called).

I can't answer your question about CureSecuRom because I've never used it. If you've only run the game with a no-cd, you shouldn't get SecuRom.

nVidia has notorious issues with Sims2, switch to ATI. ;)

Thank you!

And switching out video cards is easier said than done.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lemonfresh on 2007 October 17, 19:05:21

Thank you!

And switching out video cards is easier said than done.

As I recall, there was a prior issue with nVidia cards causing blue-screen and it was fixed eventually. It has since returned. I have no business giving advise on this subject because I'm running ATI. IIRC, there's a thread about this somewhere. Pescado has said before though, the solution might not always be to "upgrade" your drivers, you might try rolling back to one you know works.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: DJKID on 2007 October 17, 19:10:44
As I recall, there was a prior issue with nVidia cards causing blue-screen and it was fixed eventually. It has since returned. I have no business giving advise on this subject because I'm running ATI. IIRC, there's a thread about this somewhere. Pescado has said before though, the solution might not always be to "upgrade" your drivers, you might try rolling back to one you know works.

Yes, I've heard that advice too. However, I found a more recent post that suggested upgrading, so I thought I'd try that before I started rolling back.

And yes, there has always been a nVidia issue. I've used nVidia since the beginning so I dealt with the BSOD until they finally fixed the issue... THEN REBROKE IT. UGH.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 17, 19:36:23
I'm not surprised that SecuRom gets blamed for everything. The whole sneaky way EA put it in our systems, the fact that you need a LOT of knowledge or balls ovaries to get it off your system, the whole "I am not a rootkit, I just look like one" business. If SecuRom were a person, it would be the fat, uninvited uncle that stays in your house for weeks. Of course when you find the silver missing and the toilet seat broken, he's the one you suspect.  :P

Oh you mean a fat obstreperous jerk ? :D

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It's ok to install from the disk. Do not run the game after you install. Before you run the game you must replace the game exe with the no-cd game exe. Make sure you change your desktop shortcut for the Sims so that it points to the Sims2Ep6.exe and not the Launcher.exe (or whatever it's called).

I'm weird.  I actually like the launcher.  It happens too often that I click on the sims and go...Damn, forgot to transfer something to my download folder <smack head>.  Then I have to kill the program or wait till it finishes loading.  The launcher is easier.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Leticron on 2007 October 18, 18:11:52
Just in case:
The Link  to Mark Russinovich's Tool RegDelNull in the first post is shorted and thus broken  (you can't just copy and paste such abbreviated links and expect them to work ;)
Mind the [...]
The complete Link  is http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Miscellaneous/RegDelNull.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Miscellaneous/RegDelNull.mspx)
Now it works on Firefox and Opera as well.

-le


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sluggo on 2007 October 18, 18:33:53
Just in case:
The Link  to Mark Russinovich's Tool RegDelNull in the first post is shorted and thus broken  (you can't just copy and paste such abbreviated links and expect them to work ;)
Mind the [...]
The complete Link  is http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Miscellaneous/RegDelNull.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Miscellaneous/RegDelNull.mspx)
Now it works on Firefox and Opera as well.

-le

Then, again, if you follow the first link:

Ok, kids. The instructions are in bits and pieces in the EA official admission/excuse thread, but it's getting long and understandably hard to find. These instructions have worked for several posters, myself included:

1. Follow the guidelines below ripped from http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/98241-13-remove-securom-malware-uninstalling-bioshock-demo:

not only will you get the link to RegDelNul, but the full instructions on how to remove the maulware SecuRom

Silly how that works, huh..?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 18, 18:39:33
Meh, my point in quoting that page was so that people wouldn't have to tab back and forth. No idea how that link became malformed. Fixed now.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 18, 19:22:15
I had copied and pasted the same instructions on my LJ, it became malformed there too. The link apparently does not like to be copied and pasted with the surrounding text but seems fine if you copy the individual link and paste it on it's own.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sugar on 2007 October 18, 19:49:35
I am very interested in stopping the madness when it comes to SecuROM.  I would very much like to give this method a try:

EDIT #2: I just found this online. Sounds a little too easy, but it also makes sense logically. Posting it here to see what any of you might think.

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The easiest way to remove it without using additional software, is to go and delete it from the \windows\system32\ folder (I think the filename is UAService7.exe).

Then make a text file with the same name, in the same directory, and then right click the file, and make it "Hidden" and "Read Only". Then go into Control Panel/Admin/Services and disable/stop the SecuROM service. It will never load OR install ever again, and you are forever ridden of SecuROM but can still play all SecuROM games.

My problem is that since I only have one user account on my computer, and it has administrative privileges, I don't have an executable file -- I have the cmdlineext.dll file instead.  Does anyone know if there is a way that I can still make this "turn off" method work?




Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 October 18, 21:14:48
How can I be sure it's gone? I think I got it all, but I would love to have a complete list of everything to search for to be sure. I've already checked for "uaservice7" and "SecuRom" followed Li'l Brudder's steps... Being entirely un-awesome and having mucked about in my registry with no smoke spewing out of my machine, I'm wondering if I missed something. I still have a folder in my registry:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/jmtmom/AfterRemoval.jpg)

It did have a SecuRom folder under Software which I deleted. It also looks differently (with all the essential folders under it) than others I've seen . It's possible that i f***ed it up and did something more un-awesome than usual.

If in fact it is gone, my Norton still fails. I have some more complicated steps to follow from Norton Tech help. We'll see if that works.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 18, 22:09:58
I am very interested in stopping the madness when it comes to SecuROM.

My problem is that since I only have one user account on my computer, and it has administrative privileges, I don't have an executable file -- I have the cmdlineext.dll file instead.  Does anyone know if there is a way that I can still make this "turn off" method work?

As near as I can tell, the file cmdlineext.dll is not needed if you are running as Administrator.  It is a registered DLL, so you can't just delete the file and hope it goes away (Windows keeps a copy around for just such an occasion).

You have to open a Command Prompt, change directory (cd) to the Windows\System32 directory, then run this command: regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll

Once you do that, it can be deleted.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 18, 22:38:34
You have to open a Command Prompt, change directory (cd) to the Windows\System32 directory, then run this command: regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll

Once you do that, it can be deleted.

Yes, but would that allow her to keep SecuRom on her system in a dormant state? She wants to leave secuRom on her system but shut it off completely, that way she can play games as per-usual even if they have SecuRom and not bother with the no-cd key method.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 18, 22:48:22
If using a SecuROM free version of Sims 2, yes.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 18, 22:55:59
That's the thing, the method she's referring to turns securom off leaving in on the computer in a way but keeping it from turning itself back on or replacing the file you've modified. She wants to be able to play BV and other SecuRom games, those are not securom free, she does not want to use any kind of nocd method.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 18, 23:07:51
If she wants to play games protected by SecuROM and not use a no-CD crack, then she needs to forget that SecuROM is installed and simply play the game.

If she is having no technical problems due to SecuROM, there is really no need to worry about it.   If she is having problems, she needs to determine whether she wants to play games protected by SecuROM.

In Sims 2, SecuROM is in Sims2EP6.exe.  The stuff placed on the hard drive seems to be mostly temporary files.   Sims2EP6.exe will generate whatever temporary files it needs when it runs, no matter what you have done to remove traces of SecuROM from the hard drive.  EDIT: If it cannot, it throws up an error box and quits

It occurred to me that CmdLineExt.dll wouldn't be installed if it was not needed, and Sim 2 runs fine without it, so I went back and looked at my logs.  Sims 2 has built into it a program called "CmdLineExtInstallerExe.exe" that it places in a temporary directory and runs when it cannot find CmdLineExt.dll or the version of CmdLineExt.dll does not match what is expected.  CmdLineExtInstallerExe.exe will create a new copy of CmdLineExt.dll in the temporary directory.  The 'hidden' SecuROM registry entry is used to point to it. 

So, even if you delete the one in \Windows\System32, next time you fire up Sims2EP6.exe, it will create one in \Document and Settings\(user)\Local Settings\Temp.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sugar on 2007 October 18, 23:20:48
lordrichter, I just want to make sure that I understand what is being said.  In JCSpencer's post that I quoted, it says that when you turn SecuROM off using the method of replacing the .exe file, that SecuROM will never load or install again.  I assumed that this was because when it checked or touched the file, the file was turned off and therefore there was nothing for the .exe file to do (i.e. load, mess with the computer, etc.).  Are you saying that this is incorrect? 

BTW, I am definitely having problems with SecuROM and that is why I need it stopped.  I would like to try this method first (if possible) before I resort to messing with the registry.  The truth of the matter is, I'm lazy.  If this will turn SecuROM off and I never have to deal with it again, then I'm all for that.  I'm just not sure that I'm going to remember to check files and mess with stuff later on when I patch or install new games.  I don't like to mess with things unless I absolutely have to.   :-\  See what I mean -- I'm lazy.   ;D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 18, 23:34:33
The only way to stop SecuROM from being run is to replace Sims2EP6.exe with a no-CD version that disables SecuROM.

In every other situation, Sims 2 either repairs SecuROM so that it functions normally or it quits running and displays an error.

I've been poking a bit at SecuROM this evening watching the self-repair mechanism built into it.  It is very robust.

Edit: Want to add that on my system here, a no-CD version would probably be more of a problem than SecuROM, so I haven't tried any no-CD versions and don't have them.   I have verified on my system that SecuROM has no detectable adverse effects, so far.  The main point in what I am doing is to verify or refute what EAxis says about SecuROM without depending on anecdotal statements.
SecuROM is very touchy about being watched, and there is a legal limit to how far I will go in watching it, but most of what I am interested in is how the computer behaves when Sims 2 is not running.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Venusy on 2007 October 19, 06:48:51
UAService7 only installs itself if you run the game as a limited user. It won't install itself if the only user account is an admin account.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sugar on 2007 October 19, 12:11:06
UAService7 only installs itself if you run the game as a limited user. It won't install itself if the only user account is an admin account.

Yeah, I figured that out too late -- just as I figured out that SecuROM was installed on my computer too late.   :P 

I'm still trying to find a way to use the "turn off" method.  I know I should just give up and delete the keys from the registry and use the removal method, but there have been people who have said that removing SecuROM caused other problems with their computers that then forced them to reformat.  Reformatting is sort of a no-no with our computer situation (long story), so I'd like to try the least invasive method first before I am forced to move to the harsher remedies. 

If anyone knows how I can make the "turn off" method work, or has an idea about how it might be possible, I'd love to hear from you.  I know there are a lot of computer geniuses out there that are so awesome that they can come up with a way to make it work.   ;D ;D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lemonfresh on 2007 October 19, 15:21:59
If anyone knows how I can make the "turn off" method work, or has an idea about how it might be possible, I'd love to hear from you.  I know there are a lot of computer geniuses out there that are so awesome that they can come up with a way to make it work. 

Didn't we just go over this whole general idea the other day re: messing with permissions in the registry? The answer is "No". Someone brings out the bunny with the pancake on it's head, malformed idea continues to be brought up, answer doesn't change. Lather, rinse, repeat...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 19, 16:12:44
Lordrichter, have you determined what are changes Securom makes to a system?  After the uproar, I got curious, but there but is actually zero information out there on the changes it makes.  Just a lot of misinformation and suppostions.  Not a peep from the malware people, which tells me a lot.  When the Sony rootkit came along, there was a lot of interest from the professionals and people analyzed it to death. 

So far, have you determined any permanent changes that stay even after the game is shut down?  And when you say the program is touchy about being observed, what did you mean.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 October 19, 16:16:51
I'm still trying to find a way to use the "turn off" method.  I know I should just give up and delete the keys from the registry and use the removal method...

If anyone knows how I can make the "turn off" method work, or has an idea about how it might be possible, I'd love to hear from you. 

Sugar (and I feel funny calling you that, I admit), if you are referring to a discussion of this on another MATY thread, I recommend reading to the end of the thread.  The "turn off" method is not recommended for several reasons.  It leaves the offending software/malware in place rather than taking out the trash.  Consequently there may be consequences associated with it's continued presence in the registry.  There are many people here who can not afford to "lose" the data on their computers, but who have found the secuROM removal process successful.  Naturally, backup of your system is recommended before doing anything that might affect it.

Disabling things in the registry and leaving them there is potentially dangerous to the health of your system and would be a way to potentially cause you to have to reformat, rather than prevent such an occurrence.  It's also a sloppy way to address the problem.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sugar on 2007 October 19, 16:47:29
Jolrei, here is the original information that I quoted back to:

EDIT #2: I just found this online. Sounds a little too easy, but it also makes sense logically. Posting it here to see what any of you might think.

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The easiest way to remove it without using additional software, is to go and delete it from the \windows\system32\ folder (I think the filename is UAService7.exe).

Then make a text file with the same name, in the same directory, and then right click the file, and make it "Hidden" and "Read Only". Then go into Control Panel/Admin/Services and disable/stop the SecuROM service. It will never load OR install ever again, and you are forever ridden of SecuROM but can still play all SecuROM games.

I found the information in this thread on page 6. 

As you can see, the method doesn't turn things off in the registry or mess with the registry.  It turns SecuROM off in the Services panel.  Since I don't have the executable file necessary to do the swap out of files (I have the cmdlineext.exe file), I was hoping that someone could tell me how to complete this method some other way. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowlwoman on 2007 October 19, 17:49:25
I finally got SecuCRAP off both my desktop and laptop (I had Pet Stories on the laptop and therefore SecuCRAP).  I did notice that after I went through all the steps, my screen saver/power settings were changed on both the laptop and desktop.  Instead of going to a screen saver like I had it set up to do, the power settings made the computer shut down/hibernate after 5-10 min of inactivity.  Not that it's a big deal to change the settings back to "never," but I thought it was interesting to note at least.

Speaking of Pet Stories, does anyone know where I can get a good, reliable, no-cd crack sans SecuCRAP?  I went to gamecopyworld and there was a no-cd crack listed, but I don't do much ARR-ing and I'm not sure if the file is reliable or not.  Anyone have a good source for one?  I went ahead and uninstalled PS from my laptop, but if I could find a good SecuCRAP work-around I might go ahead and re-install it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2007 October 19, 18:03:58
Speaking of Pet Stories, does anyone know where I can get a good, reliable, no-cd crack sans SecuCRAP?  I went to gamecopyworld and there was a no-cd crack listed, but I don't do much ARR-ing and I'm not sure if the file is reliable or not.  Anyone have a good source for one?  I went ahead and uninstalled PS from my laptop, but if I could find a good SecuCRAP work-around I might go ahead and re-install it.
I somehow prefer gameburnworld to gamecopyworld. Try that site, it's way better and reliable in my opinion. I hadn't go there in a long time though, haven't need to...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Soylent Sim on 2007 October 19, 18:32:42
Sugar, if you really want to guinea-pig that method of defanging SecuROM, mightn't it be easiest to delete it the official way here, and then simply create a backup account for simming and other infected games?  It'd be a little extra work, but might be the safest way to get it all done.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2007 October 19, 18:36:15
Speaking of Pet Stories, does anyone know where I can get a good, reliable, no-cd crack sans SecuCRAP?  I went to gamecopyworld and there was a no-cd crack listed, but I don't do much ARR-ing and I'm not sure if the file is reliable or not.  Anyone have a good source for one?  I went ahead and uninstalled PS from my laptop, but if I could find a good SecuCRAP work-around I might go ahead and re-install it.
I somehow prefer gameburnworld to gamecopyworld. Try that site, it's way better and reliable in my opinion. I hadn't go there in a long time though, haven't need to...
The Vitality crack for Pet Stories hosted on GameCopyWorld is the only one available and a reliable one.

Personally, I find GameBurnWorld less reliable than GCW, as GBW don't list the release group name and release date clearly. Looks cleaner though, as they don't put up as many ads as GCW.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2007 October 19, 19:24:15
The Vitality crack for Pet Stories hosted on GameCopyWorld is the only one available and a reliable one.

Personally, I find GameBurnWorld less reliable than GCW, as GBW don't list the release group name and release date clearly. Looks cleaner though, as they don't put up as many ads as GCW.
Yep, might be the looks that got me... GCW sure looks like a mess :(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 19, 19:24:55
Sugar, if you really want to guinea-pig that method of defanging SecuROM, mightn't it be easiest to delete it the official way here, and then simply create a backup account for simming and other infected games?  It'd be a little extra work, but might be the safest way to get it all done.

Unless this backup account is on a different computer, there are no real way of segregating changes so they only affect only one account.  So this is not safer in anyway.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Soylent Sim on 2007 October 19, 20:11:57
I said guinea-pig for a reason.  I'm happiest just running BV-less, but if she really wants to try questionable SecuROM controls more power to her.  If she finds out something useful it'll be good for the rest of us, and if her computer blows up she might learn to listen to people who know what they're talking about.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sugar on 2007 October 20, 12:24:18
I really appreciate how helpful everyone is trying to be.  I know that I sound a little paranoid, but I'm an infant when it comes to computer stuff (I know just enough to get me in trouble -- I'm not awesome at all), so I always check everything out several times before I actually make a decision.  That caution has paid off many times.  I just wish I had been that cautious when I decided to install BV.   :'(

The "turn off" method is appealing to me because it has been possible to turn off things in the services menu for quite a while, so I feel that this method is tried and true.  It doesn't feel like an experimental attempt at all.  My only problem is that I don't have the .exe file needed to turn the program off and I need to figure out how to do it with the files I have.  I guess that could be considered the experimental part.   :-\

I know that many people have deleted the keys from their registry and installed the no-cd crack without problems.  However, I have read some posts where this HAS caused problems for people.  Since I have the "unholy hybrid" (the game plus the patch), I worry that I will be one of those at risk.  And, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I'm not allowed to reformat my computer, so I need to make sure that whatever I do doesn't cause a disasterous problem. 

People here have been telling everyone to read up on the SecuROM issue because the net is full of information about it.  Well, I have been reading and something that gave me pause about using the regular removal method discussed here is something I read over at wrongplanet.net.  The poster worked in security.  He doesn't like SecuROM, but warns people about cracks in general:  "I let my cert expire a while ago, so I won't recommend against buying one copy and downloading another. Just go over your downloaded one with 3 or 4 different AV/anti-trojan scanners before you use it, because half of the cracked stuff I've seen has had non-Sony rootkits in it, and those are even less fun than SecuRom. Stuff in RAR format seems to be especially bad, since few AV packages know how to see through the compression like they do with ZIPs, etc."

As I mentioned earlier, If possible, I would like to try the least harmful method first, and then move on to methods that might be more likely to hurt my computer.  But no matter what, I do want to get SecuROM off my computer.  If for no other reason, I need to see if that is what is causing the problems I've been having. 

So, although I know that many of you want to just tell me to shut up and use the delete/crack method, I would really appreciate it if anyone that might have the knowledge to help me with the "turn off" method would speak up and let me know their thoughts.   Thanks again to everyone.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sluggo on 2007 October 20, 17:51:17
..., I would really appreciate it if anyone that might have the knowledge to help me with the "turn off" method would speak up and let me know their thoughts.   Thanks again to everyone.



  The problem is, it's not the .exe that causes the problems, but the actual registry entries. "Turning off" the .exe will only disallow it to do  more harm, If you're not presently having problems and are too unsure about deleting the registry entries, and are using the NOCD, go ahead and take a leap of faith (I would still go ahead and disable the cmdlineext.exe file). If you're planning on "turning off" and expecting to go ahead and use the original TS2-.exe to start the game, I really don't think that would work as people have reported the original TS2-.exe is what allows it to "phone home" and/or re-establish the reg entries. Disabling the cmdlineext.exe file here may throw errors.
  Btu then again, I'm totally not awesome, and I'm just talkin' shit here.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Quinctia on 2007 October 20, 18:18:54
Of course some cracks out there can have bad software in them, pirate junk isn't exactly regulated.  However, when people on a savvy site are pointing you towards a trusted source for a crack, it should help ease your mind.  If a good site suddenly had a malicious link up, there'd already be warnings to stay away from that version, and go elsewhere.

And you don't have an unholy hybrid.  That reference is to someone patching the game and then using a cracked .exe, which, at this point, is only available for the original .exe.  The patch changed the executable file, so some of the benefits of the patch might not be present if you switch out your .exe.  If you're worried about the patch situation, uninstall/reinstall and don't patch the game.  It's not a recommended course of action around here anyway, and any issues with the game have fixes here for them.

Finally, leaving registry keys in the registry that are potentially damaging, or just plain not in use anymore is potentially a very bad thing.  Here's my anecdotal evidence:

I don't like reformatting.  If I have to reformat and reinstall the OS, I view it as a loss in my battle of domination over my computer.  Anyway, I had an HP with a failing HD, as many HPs from 99/00 were wont to do.  So, I format my new HD, get everything all ready to go, install it as a slave, and copy over every single file from the old HD onto the new one.  Make new HD the master HD, boot up the computer, and everything seems fine.  Until I try to open anything with HTML, then the OS crashes.  Browser?  CRASH.  Help?  CRASH.  (Help files are full of html goodness.)

At the time, I was at college with a 24/7 Tech helpdesk, so I called them up, they were baffled.  I set up an appointment for later in the week, but I figure they'll just tell me I need a fresh install on the new HD, so I get back to work.

A couple hours later, I found my problem.  Guess what it was?

Leftover registry keys from a Microsoft language pack I had installed to display asian characters.  I had gotten sick of looking at boxes.  It seemed to slow my computer down a bit, though, so I had uninstalled it.  That uninstall process had left keys in the registry, though, and that was enough to screw up my computer later.  Since then, I've made it a practice to keep my registry as clean as possible.  So the SecuROM thing would definitely piss me off, even if there were no compatibility issues currently.

I'd suggest deleting all of the keys, and any attempt to kinda avoid it is something silly and time-wasting that will really only benefit you in that it might make you feel better.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: FlareStorm on 2007 October 20, 18:32:24
I've been running patched BV with the original cracked exe from the BV no CD thread. No problems.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 20, 19:28:45
My advice would be leave securom there, unless you know it's causing you a problem.  I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion.  I don't agree with EA.  Making changes to people's systems that cannot be undone by uninstalling the game is wrong.  Installing stuff that prevents other software from running is damn wrong.  They have no business preventing programs like Daemon tools and Alcohol 120 from running. I think that's a big part of the uproar.  People are pissed off, and rightly so.  However, since it's installed on your system the harm is done.  If it's not actually causing any problems, and you aren't computer savvy, you might do more harm than good tinkering around.  Leave it be. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: IAmTheRad on 2007 October 21, 07:22:01
SecuRom wasn't even EA's business to switch with. I bet they got tired of people stealing their games which will still occur. I bet they'll keep on trying to get rid of pirates, but that will never happen. No matter what the protection, somebody WILL find a way around it. The only thing they might change is their customer base. Securom does cause problems, but not as many problems as Starforce does (and it's why some companys have gone away from starforce, like ubisoft because they knew people would not buy games that use starforce)

SecuRom, right, or wrong? Wrong, since the ONLY legitimate way to remove is to uninstall The Sims 2. Not a viable option. I'd rather never have it installed in the first place. It has removed my ability to use daemon tools for some programs that I just don't want to dig out my CD for (BF2142, BF2. Digging out the CD is too much of a hassle)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 October 21, 07:49:33
Uninstalling does not remove SecuROM. There is no "simple" method of removing it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 21, 16:12:25
Uninstalling does not remove SecuROM. There is no "simple" method of removing it.

Uninstalling does not remove all traces of SecuROM and there is no simple way to do that.

Uninstalling appears to remove the active portion of SecuROM, which seems to be in Sims2EP6.exe.

However, what is left after uninstalling Sims 2 BV appears to be benign.

More than anything, SecuROM's reputation appears to exceed reality, at least with respect to how BV is using it.  In a way, it is sort of disappointing.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2007 October 21, 17:09:34
Benign or not, it still has no valid reason to stay there. If it's not doing anything, then I want it off my comptuer. No matter how small, wasted space is never a good thing.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 21, 18:06:14
Benign or not, it still has no valid reason to stay there. If it's not doing anything, then I want it off my comptuer. No matter how small, wasted space is never a good thing.

If you have the skill and means to remove it, yeah.  If not, well, I wish you well in your quest to remove all things that don't belong there.

If you don't have Vista, you will want to remove the Vista specific stuff that EAxis is installing on your system, too.  ;)  It's not doing anything and has no valid reason to stay there. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2007 October 21, 18:53:26
Actually, I have already removed it. I was merely speaking on principle.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Quinctia on 2007 October 21, 23:10:26
Stuff that appears benign can cause problems later.  That's why my philosophy has been if I know something is still on the computer AND is unnecessary for anything I use, I get rid of it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 22, 23:15:14
I dunno about a consensus.  I think that most people who have the know-how to remove it have done so, just on principles. I know I have.  But I think that if removing it means messing with things you aren't comfortable messing with, you might as well leave it there.  LordRitcher has tested it and it doesn't seem to cause any problems, to his system anyway.  Your millage may vary, but  I'll trust a real life test over hysteria anytime.

And you are absolutely right.  Copy protection encourages piracy.  I've seen it in games, I've seen it with music CD. When customers suddenly find they can no longer use the product they paid for, or not use it in the way they want (like running the game without a CD, or moving music you bought to a new device), they go searching for answers.  And the answers are not hard to find.  And that opens a whole pandora's box.

My guess is that game companies consider that a reasonable risk.  They figure this will stop more casual piracy than it will cause customers to embrace the "dark side".  Although I have my doubts.   Getting a pirated copy is absolutely trivial.  Usually downloading a new expansion pack is faster than waiting for the game to hit your local stores.  Would there really be more piracy if the games were left unprotected?  Who is this copy protection stopping now exactly.  Maybe the kiddie crowd, whose internet usage is closely monitored by parents. 

One thing for sure they made a big mistake switching to Securom.  They thought the change would be transparent.  It wasn't.  That's lack of proper testing.  Like applying an untested patch system-wide in your corporate environment.  As as you pointed out, the uproar caused a lot of people to discover the wonders of cracked exe's.  Not good for EA.  Good for the customer.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 October 23, 12:14:08
I am very interested in stopping the madness when it comes to SecuROM.  I would very much like to give this method a try:

EDIT #2: I just found this online. Sounds a little too easy, but it also makes sense logically. Posting it here to see what any of you might think.

Quote
The easiest way to remove it without using additional software, is to go and delete it from the \windows\system32\ folder (I think the filename is UAService7.exe).

Then make a text file with the same name, in the same directory, and then right click the file, and make it "Hidden" and "Read Only". Then go into Control Panel/Admin/Services and disable/stop the SecuROM service. It will never load OR install ever again, and you are forever ridden of SecuROM but can still play all SecuROM games.

My problem is that since I only have one user account on my computer, and it has administrative privileges, I don't have an executable file -- I have the cmdlineext.dll file instead.  Does anyone know if there is a way that I can still make this "turn off" method work?




I have heard that you can change the name of the cmdlineext file, and create a dummie file to turn it off.  But the thing is that file I believe is only for creating the analysis file.   The file that is activating SecuROM is the sims2ep6.exe which is communicating with the NEVER Delete key in the registry.   In a user account the exe can not perform that action because of the limited priviledges it has.  The UAService7.exe enables the sims2ep6.exe to communicate with the registry key in the user account.  This is why people using an admin account use a no cd executible to replace the original, because SecuROM is removed from it and will not install or activate SecuROM and all together bypasses it.  I can vouch that the no cd cracks at GameBurnWorld.com are safe.  I have been using them since the Pets expansion and they have never caused me any problems.  If you put the crack in before starting the copy protected game up, SecuROM doesn't install at all.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sugar on 2007 October 23, 13:13:58

I have heard that you can change the name of the cmdlineext file, and create a dummie file to turn it off.  But the thing is that file I believe is only for creating the analysis file.   The file that is activating SecuROM is the sims2ep6.exe which is communicating with the NEVER Delete key in the registry.   In a user account the exe can not perform that action because of the limited priviledges it has.  The UAService7.exe enables the sims2ep6.exe to communicate with the registry key in the user account.  This is why people using an admin account use a no cd executible to replace the original, because SecuROM is removed from it and will not install or activate SecuROM and all together bypasses it.  I can vouch that the no cd cracks at GameBurnWorld.com are safe.  I have been using them since the Pets expansion and they have never caused me any problems.  If you put the crack in before starting the copy protected game up, SecuROM doesn't install at all.

Celesta, thanks for trying to explain this to me.  I finally called in a favor from a computer geek friend of mine.   :-\  He's going through my computer with a fine-toothed comb to see if all my problems (BV tries to launch but sits on the same screen forever, anti-virus/spyware programs stop in the middle of a scan, computer lags, internet connection lags, etc.) is caused by SecuROM or something else.  He says that there is definitely something funny going on with the system, but he's not sure if it's a trojan or other malware let in by SecuROM or if it might be SecuROM itself.   Neither one of us wants to guess what's wrong, we want to know for sure so that when we fix it, we make sure it's fixed for good.  So, I'm going about this the slow, methodical way.   ;D  I will keep checking the info here to see if anyone has any other info that might be useful to us in our quest.   

Edited: for clarity.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 October 23, 14:33:27

I have heard that you can change the name of the cmdlineext file, and create a dummie file to turn it off.  But the thing is that file I believe is only for creating the analysis file.   The file that is activating SecuROM is the sims2ep6.exe which is communicating with the NEVER Delete key in the registry.   In a user account the exe can not perform that action because of the limited priviledges it has.  The UAService7.exe enables the sims2ep6.exe to communicate with the registry key in the user account.  This is why people using an admin account use a no cd executible to replace the original, because SecuROM is removed from it and will not install or activate SecuROM and all together bypasses it.  I can vouch that the no cd cracks at GameBurnWorld.com are safe.  I have been using them since the Pets expansion and they have never caused me any problems.  If you put the crack in before starting the copy protected game up, SecuROM doesn't install at all.

Celesta, thanks for trying to explain this to me.  I finally called in a favor from a computer geek friend of mine.   :-\  He's going through my computer with a fine-toothed comb to see if all my problems (BV tries to launch but sits on the same screen forever, anti-virus/spyware programs stop in the middle of a scan, computer lags, internet connection lags, etc.) is caused by SecuROM or something else.  He says that there is definitely something funny going on with the system, but he's not sure if it's a trojan or other malware let in by SecuROM or if it might be SecuROM itself.   Neither one of us wants to guess what's wrong, we want to know for sure so that when we fix it, we make sure it's fixed for good.  So, I'm going about this the slow, methodical way.   ;D  I will keep checking the info here to see if anyone has any other info that might be useful to us in our quest.   

Edited: for clarity.


I believe I can explain why your scans stop.  It's my understanding that SecuROM performs some type of activity to remove itself from scan lists during the scanning process.  In some anti spyware and anti virus programs this causes an interuption of the scanning process and it becomes stuck.  The scans are actually picking up the SecuROM files as potentially harmful, therefore SecuROM was programed to remove itself from these scans.  It's another attempt to hide itself and prevent removal.  If the scans were permited to list the SecuROM files then you would be able to remove them.  Also after running these programs it is necessary to restart your computer before attempting to start up the game, or SecuROM will refuse to let the game start up because it thinks you were attempting to remove or bypass the SecuROM protection.

Also there has been others who have reported general or overall decreases in system performance after installing SecuROM.  If you removed SecuROM and these problems cleared up, then you would know whether it's SecuROM or something else.  A number of individuals have done so and reported that all the problems went away once SecuROM was removed completely. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sugar on 2007 October 23, 18:53:56
I believe I can explain why your scans stop.  It's my understanding that SecuROM performs some type of activity to remove itself from scan lists during the scanning process.  In some anti spyware and anti virus programs this causes an interuption of the scanning process and it becomes stuck.  The scans are actually picking up the SecuROM files as potentially harmful, therefore SecuROM was programed to remove itself from these scans.  It's another attempt to hide itself and prevent removal.  If the scans were permited to list the SecuROM files then you would be able to remove them.  Also after running these programs it is necessary to restart your computer before attempting to start up the game, or SecuROM will refuse to let the game start up because it thinks you were attempting to remove or bypass the SecuROM protection.

Also there has been others who have reported general or overall decreases in system performance after installing SecuROM.  If you removed SecuROM and these problems cleared up, then you would know whether it's SecuROM or something else.  A number of individuals have done so and reported that all the problems went away once SecuROM was removed completely. 

Celesta, you are full of wonderful and useful information.  Thank you so much.

It certainly does look more and more like I have a SecuROM problem.  However, since so many people seem to think that this is impossible (I mean, SecuROM is only a harmless copyright protection program, right), my tech guy and I want to make absolutely sure that it can't be anything else before we attempt removal of SecuROM.  That way, when everything immediately gets better afterward, no one can say that it was because of something else we did.   ;D  I especially want to be able to list everything I did when I send a nice little e-mail to EA support.   :P

I really thank you (and everyone else) for all the support and help.   

BTW, does anyone know of any anti-virus/spyware programs that will run all the way through with SecuROM on the computer?  I currently have Defender Pro, AVG, Ad-Aware and SUPERAnti-Spyware.  Some of them will run when you do the quick scan, but none of them want to complete a full scan -- even in safe mode.  I'd prefer it if I can get some free software since my computer fund is all tapped out with all the problems I've been having.   Thanks again!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 23, 19:00:38
BTW, does anyone know of any anti-virus/spyware programs that will run all the way through with SecuROM on the computer?  I currently have Defender Pro, AVG, Ad-Aware and SUPERAnti-Spyware.  Some of them will run when you do the quick scan, but none of them want to complete a full scan -- even in safe mode.  I'd prefer it if I can get some free software since my computer fund is all tapped out with all the problems I've been having.   Thanks again!

Windows Defender worked for me. Ad-Aware did as well. Hard to say really, as a good deal of the problems cropped up because of the vast differences in software on peoples computers. One persons Norton had been working fine but the next person couldn't run their Norton, their mp3 player, or their burn software. It all seemed kind of dependent on what the total objectionable software had been. Bit odd.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 October 23, 19:54:37
Windows Defender worked for me. Ad-Aware did as well. Hard to say really, as a good deal of the problems cropped up because of the vast differences in software on peoples computers. One persons Norton had been working fine but the next person couldn't run their Norton, their mp3 player, or their burn software. It all seemed kind of dependent on what the total objectionable software had been. Bit odd.

The whole thing is more than odd, edging into irritating.  I can run Norton and Ad-Aware just fine.  I have no load/lag problems, and my game has never crashed.  I know others here who have (on paper) better specs than my rig, who have endless problems, possibly due to screw-u-ROM interaction issues with some other bits of software, drivers, etc., and/or basic game incompatibility with drivers, video cards, etc. that EA never told us about and still does not acknowledge (although to be fair, they probably don't know - they should, but they don't).  This leads to inconsistent experiences. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2007 October 24, 01:04:18
BTW, does anyone know of any anti-virus/spyware programs that will run all the way through with SecuROM on the computer?  I currently have Defender Pro, AVG, Ad-Aware and SUPERAnti-Spyware.  Some of them will run when you do the quick scan, but none of them want to complete a full scan -- even in safe mode.  I'd prefer it if I can get some free software since my computer fund is all tapped out with all the problems I've been having.   Thanks again!

NOD32 works fine with SecuROM installed. At least on my experience it does, and it's my personal favorite :D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: virgol on 2007 October 24, 19:30:02
 After reading the whole 10 pages of this post 3 times over (I like clarification!) I followed the instructions and have removed SecuRom from my laptop. Have now got a no cd crack and BV runs fine. However, when I rebooted after removing SecuRom windows acted like it was running for the first time, desktop was reset, windows walkthru video wanted to run etc.  As if that wasnt irritating enough when I connected to the internet IE had also been reset and needed initial setup! my homepage was back to msn etc.  As IE was the first thing I noticed any strange behavior in while SecuRom was present I am sure that it has been affected by it in some way but have not seen anyone mention it here so am I wrong?  My laptop is definately running faster again now.  Also my keyboard is now confused, @ and " have changed places which is a total pain when typing my email address...is there any way to put this right?

Thank you for covering this subject, I knew something was on my machine that shouldnt be there as it was not behaving quite right and running slowly, but had not even heard of SecuRom before. I am a sims2 addict but will never buy another expansion if SecuRom is used.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: angelyne on 2007 October 24, 23:56:57
Sounds like you might have deleted something by mistake in the registry.   You appear to have lost your settings.  Like you said no big deal.   Your keyboard was reset to the wrong language or to a default language of some description.  Go to the control panel and locate the Regional and options applet.  Select the middle tab: Languages and click on details. If the default input language is not the one you expected, change it.  Make sure that the keyboard you want is listed on top in the installed services list.  That's the one the system will use by default.  Remove the ones you'll never use, if there are any more.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 25, 00:02:38
I just want to make some SecuROM stuff clear.

Quote
The easiest way to remove it without using additional software, is to go and delete it from the \windows\system32\ folder (I think the filename is UAService7.exe).

Then make a text file with the same name, in the same directory, and then right click the file, and make it "Hidden" and "Read Only". Then go into Control Panel/Admin/Services and disable/stop the SecuROM service. It will never load OR install ever again, and you are forever ridden of SecuROM but can still play all SecuROM games.

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I have heard that you can change the name of the cmdlineext file, and create a dummie file to turn it off.

Both of these statements are false.  SecuROM is much more clever than that.   Edit: removed some rattling of the mouth...









Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: virgol on 2007 October 25, 17:44:20
Sounds like you might have deleted something by mistake in the registry.   You appear to have lost your settings.  Like you said no big deal.   Your keyboard was reset to the wrong language or to a default language of some description.  Go to the control panel and locate the Regional and options applet.  Select the middle tab: Languages and click on details. If the default input language is not the one you expected, change it.  Make sure that the keyboard you want is listed on top in the installed services list.  That's the one the system will use by default.  Remove the ones you'll never use, if there are any more.

Thanks Angelyne
I should have known how to do this, was looking in the wrong place!! Like many people I should spend more time exploring windows instead of waiting until I need to find something.   :-[


Title: Check this out!
Post by: Tina G on 2007 October 26, 02:35:35
I followed the steps to rid my system of Suc-u-rom. It worked beautifully! It was NOWHERE to be found. I was happily playing my game with all the expansions until something totally un-related got borked and I decided that a total re-install was neccessary. After the game was completely gone, I checked the registry to make sure it was gone from there too and guess what I found? 

Apparently the damned game installed Securom during the UN-installation process. Now THAT is what I call ridiculous!  >:(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Li'l Brudder on 2007 October 26, 03:00:44
Lemme guess.

IT'S TRUE!  YOU SAW IT ON THE NEWS!!!!1


Title: Re: Check this out!
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 26, 11:52:47
Apparently the damned game installed Securom during the UN-installation process. Now THAT is what I call ridiculous!  >:(

Hee Hee Hee.  :)  SecuROM is not installed while uninstalling. You never actually removed the SecuROM program, so next time you ran Sims 2 BV, it recreated all the stuff you removed.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tina G on 2007 October 26, 13:07:04
No. It was gone. I checked several times just for the hell of it on several occasions. I was using the recommended no cd crack to play the game. Also while uninstalling, I noticed that strange black box that someone else mention somewhere, pop up for a brief second. I know it was reinstalled during the uninstallation process.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lordrichter on 2007 October 26, 17:21:06
No. It was gone. I checked several times just for the hell of it on several occasions. I was using the recommended no cd crack to play the game. Also while uninstalling, I noticed that strange black box that someone else mention somewhere, pop up for a brief second. I know it was reinstalled during the uninstallation process.

Well, I have uninstalled BV several times and I have yet to observe this, so even if it happened to you, it will not necessarily happen to everyone.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 26, 21:57:46
No. It was gone. I checked several times just for the hell of it on several occasions. I was using the recommended no cd crack to play the game. Also while uninstalling, I noticed that strange black box that someone else mention somewhere, pop up for a brief second. I know it was reinstalled during the uninstallation process.
Were you on a non-administrator account?

Just spit-balling.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tina G on 2007 October 26, 23:32:41
lordrichter: Did you see anywhere that I said it would happen to everyone? It DID happen to me. I just thought I would post it here to let anyone else it may happen to know that it has not just happened to them. I beg your pardon it that does not happen to be okay with you. Mmmm 'k?  :P

Zazazu: No. I have only ever had one account on this computer as I am the only one who uses it. All I know is that it was really strange. I saw that little black dialog box pop up both while uninstalling H&M junk AND BV. *shrugs* Maybe it was just a freak thing that somehow happened. If it's possible for something freaky to happen; it will likely happen to me...lol.

I'm not worried about it thiough. I got rid of it once. Now I've gotten rid of it again.  :D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: keirra on 2007 October 29, 07:43:26

Here's a better way to check: Open up "My Computer". Navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR NAME HERE. On the window's menu bar, hit Tools, then Folder Options. Click the View tab. Under "Hidden files and folders" make sure to click on the "Show hidden files and folders" radial button. (Insert beef about Windows hiding crap from computer owners for no valid reason here). Click OK. Now click on the new light-colored folder called Application Data. See a folder called SecuRom? You have it.

This may be a stupid question, but, I want to be sure. I did the steps above and I have a SecuRom folder but it is empty. Can I delete it?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 October 29, 12:36:14

Here's a better way to check: Open up "My Computer". Navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR NAME HERE. On the window's menu bar, hit Tools, then Folder Options. Click the View tab. Under "Hidden files and folders" make sure to click on the "Show hidden files and folders" radial button. (Insert beef about Windows hiding crap from computer owners for no valid reason here). Click OK. Now click on the new light-colored folder called Application Data. See a folder called SecuRom? You have it.

This may be a stupid question, but, I want to be sure. I did the steps above and I have a SecuRom folder but it is empty. Can I delete it?

Yes you can delete that.  But if you still have BV installed and you start it up that folder will return.  Also, that doesn't completely remove SecuROM.  There is also files in the registry.  You open the registry and use the find feature to search out all the files in there.  Search for both SecuROM and cmdlineext files to be deleted in the registry.  If you search Safedisc in both the registry and System 32 drivers folder you can also rid yourself of the SafeDisc files (though no prolbems have ever been reported with these, but they are DRM technology as well). The file that says NEVER Delete requires a special removal tool.  I used trashreg to remove that one.  All the others can be removed by simply right clicking on them and deleting.   There is a file or two in the System 32 labeled cmdlineext.dll  Those can be deleted easily as well.  I deleted all of these with no consequences to my system.  The only way to keep SecuROM off your system and still play BV or other SecuROM protected games is to use a no cd hack.  I purchase all my games legally, and I see nothing against using a no cd patch and ridding myself of having to deal with copy protection. I don't believe this is illegal as they have never procecuted legal purchasers of games for it and probably never will.  I believe if you paid for your games the fair use laws make it perfectly legal to circumvent copy protection to preserve the integrity of games disks and to protect your property and privacy.  Otherwise just don't install or play SecuROM or other copy protected games which most of them have it these days.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 29, 17:11:43
Most likely you will not be able to delete the folder without using the full instructions. There are two files with malformed names that do not show, regardless, and if you try to delete the folder without running a program such as the one I linked to, you'll just get an error message that some file with a string of unintelligible characters can't be deleted because it can't be found. Annoying, as well as completely illogical.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: unregister on 2007 October 29, 18:39:38
I tried following the instructions, but I didn't have anything with uaservices.7, it doesn't exist on my pc.  I looked through task manager, and it also showed no uaservices.7.  The instructions weren't working for me, why I don't know. Anyway, I enabled all hidden files.  I created a search for all securom, also in hidden files.  When searched finished, I created desktop short cuts to each one, there were 2, one in user applications, another in program files.  I uninstalled bon voyage, I used the desktop short cuts to ship me to the folders/files. I deleted each of those found.  Next I used the "cureSecuromEng".  I used trashreg and the "do not delete" was gone.  I also ran my RegCure.  I created another search for sony and securom and it was clear.

I had at one point in time made a back up of my registry keys.  When I examined the back up, it really details all information as to what each registry key is, and did a compare with my current registry, as there was only one key that was suspicious.  I was able to confirm this suspicious key was actually a microsoft key and not to delete it.

Did I remove it all?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: unregister on 2007 October 29, 22:14:23
I just wanted to add to my above post.  I made a backup copy in my registry keys as the are now.  Now it appears is a different story.  With looking at the backup, i right clicked and picked edit and all this info appeared. I selected "find" and typed securom.

I was suprised to see "securom" under the uaservice7.exe.  Securom was 008, but there were others listed under the key.  There was "backweb" "webex document loader" "catylist control, dir/A, conspawn.exe, thumbs data base folder, shell32remote assistance.  I dont understand why these are all together in this one same registry key, If I delete this key, will all the others in this group also delete?  I dont understand why uaservice7.exe was not showing anywhere for me.  Just wanted to add this added information. Any Suggestions?  I have called Sony, and made contact with a person said he would try and get some information I requested.  What to do?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sluggo on 2007 October 30, 13:18:28
Well.. what I usually do when I find something I don't recognize in my registry (re: OCD), I'll google it.. and not just check out the first hit on google. That usually lets you know what you've found in your registry .

I tried following the instructions, but I didn't have anything with uaservices.7,

Hopefully you typo-ed and meant "uaservice7.exe" If not, search for it again and get rid of it as noted. Remember,  it won't be there if you installed on your Master/Administrater account.

Another note: the "backweb." Find a safe way to get rid of it. Regardless of what anyone has ever told you about it, it is Evil, Forced Maulware. My HP machine had it so that HP could upload updates at their leisure. well.. it seamed to always be connecting to HP's site and using "downtime" on my access to put their bullshit on my computer. Get rid of it, it's evil. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2007 October 30, 13:23:24
Proprietary pre-installed spyware is exactly why you want to ALWAYS reformat a preloaded computer. Plus they tend to partition the drives funky.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 October 30, 14:33:02
...and give you 40 versions of AOL and MSN you'll never use.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 30, 20:12:52
Yeah well, aparently they caught on to people reformatting as soon as they took their machine home. They no longer supply you with a disk of your OS. They instead force you to make a system restore cd. That way, in the event that something goes wonky you reset your system to they way they packaged it for you, with thousands of programs you don't need.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 October 30, 20:21:38
Yeah well, aparently they caught on to people reformatting as soon as they took their machine home. They no longer supply you with a disk of your OS. They instead force you to make a system restore cd. That way, in the event that something goes wonky you reset your system to they way they packaged it for you, with thousands of programs you don't need. 

Yeah, my wife's laptop was like that.  Yet another reason to build your own rig, if you can.  Fortunately, with Vista out, copies of XP become "trailing edge" and therefore cheaper.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: claudiasharon on 2007 October 31, 10:50:55
Just wanted to thank you for this post. I hadn't even heard about this until I was looking at something else here and saw a link to this post mention. Then my 10 page reading day began...and then my "...I miss everything, don't I?" and then finally said goodbye to SecuRom (it was sad to see me go).

Then I go to sleep, and the next thing I know, I'm waking up to a nightmare about SecuRom taking over my computer. Go figure.  :D

But yay and thanks for giving me an...interesting read...and for telling me how to get rid of it (really not that hard, at least it was easy for me). Because without this helpful post, I'd have probably not even heard anything about it and my Sims would've kept acting wonky. They were fine, I install BV and then they were mean. I figured it was because...I had too much sims crap or something. Or I just spent too many hours simming. But then after I read all this and got rid of SecuRom...suddenly my Sims went to how they used to be (since nothing else I have on my laptop is SecuRom, I made sure to check on that).

Thanks, thanks again and you are definitely more awesome than me (since I only did all this stuff yesterday and thought I'd share today).

*goes back to lurkdom*


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sluggo on 2007 October 31, 12:54:36
Yeah well, aparently they caught on to people reformatting as soon as they took their machine home. They no longer supply you with a disk of your OS. They instead force you to make a system restore cd. That way, in the event that something goes wonky you reset your system to they way they packaged it for you, with thousands of programs you don't need.

 Just so you know, here in Michigan, US, they *have* to supply a disc. If not, they have to send you one *free of charge.* This I know, because I receive a "notice of settlement" and a restore disc 3 years (!) after I replaced the HP with a computer that actually worked.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 October 31, 16:04:45
Just so you know, here in Michigan, US, they *have* to supply a disc. If not, they have to send you one *free of charge.* This I know, because I receive a "notice of settlement" and a restore disc 3 years (!) after I replaced the HP with a computer that actually worked.

Well, here in Louisiana, that doesn't do me much good. When my family purchased a computer for me a few years back I realized there were some pretty major disks missing from the package. I have my family call them up to see if it had been just some kind of mistake, alas, no. They just walk you though making your own restore disk, the bastards. That was a few years ago. This practice continues today. On my currant pre-built, I at least got a deal, it was their last display. It would have cost me more to build one and I had a very small budget. Still pissed I couldn't reformat it, I'm still finding random useless programs, and then there's programs that I'm not even sure I need currently, gah. this thing is a mess.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 October 31, 16:11:03
I used to get pissed off with computer shops that did that.  I got to the point where I would tell them that either they provided me with disks for all software, drivers, and extras they were loading, or they could do without my business.  Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't - well, if you consider that I only bought from people who supplied disks, then it worked every time ;D , but some stores did not get visited again.  Fortunately, Ottawa is (in addition to being a government town) a high tech centre of the Empire, so there's a lot of choice of vendors.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: unregister on 2007 November 03, 20:11:19
Well.. what I usually do when I find something I don't recognize in my registry (re: OCD), I'll google it.. and not just check out the first hit on google. That usually lets you know what you've found in your registry .

I tried following the instructions, but I didn't have anything with uaservices.7,

Hopefully you typo-ed and meant "uaservice7.exe" If not, search for it again and get rid of it as noted. Remember,  it won't be there if you installed on your Master/Administrater account.

Another note: the "backweb." Find a safe way to get rid of it. Regardless of what anyone has ever told you about it, it is Evil, Forced Maulware. My HP machine had it so that HP could upload updates at their leisure. well.. it seamed to always be connecting to HP's site and using "downtime" on my access to put their bullshit on my computer. Get rid of it, it's evil. 

Hi Sluggo,
Thank you for your response.  Yes that was a typo.  Yes again, as I did install on my Administrator account, so that does explain why I couldnt find it.  I was able to finally remove the "backweb".  That is one nasty sucker.  It seemed to have been everywhere on my pc.  It does appear I have it completely removed.  I also used the Window Washer and did a complete search to see if anymore places remained. I believe I can claim success.  Thank you again!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: FourCats on 2007 November 10, 15:02:43
I just ran regedit.  There is so much in there.  Is there a program (either free or cheap) that you recommend to use, to clean that up; so that only what I really need is in there?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 November 12, 15:08:35
This method of removing SecuROM is different than the original post in that you won't need to use command prompt.

The best and more thorough way to remove SecuROM is manually.  You could use the find feature in regedit to locate all the SecuROM files. 

Step by step:

To open regedit.  Go to Strat, Run, type regedit and press OK.  Go up to the Edit menu and use the find feature.

Search for SecuROM, NEVER DELETE, and cmdlineext (some will have cmdlineext menu in the name, delete everything with cmdlineext in the name. 

In the system32 folder go into the drivers folder and remove cmdlineext.dll and anything else that looks like that.

There is a hidden folder in this directory: C:\Users\YOURACCOUNT\AppData\Roaming

In my set up I don't have the UAService file since I don't have user accounts.  If you have user accounts you will need to search the user account folders for that file. 

Just right click and delete everything.  It's not as harmful as they say it is.  It's actually the best thing for your computer to get rid of the SecuTRASH.  If anything is stubborn and won't delete, then start up in safe mode and that ought to do it.

As an alternative to manual uninstall, you can try this program, not sure how good it works because I removed everything manually.

http://unidownload.com/filedownload-CureRom_548.html

This one does get rid of the NEVER DELETE key. 

http://www.databack4u.com/snc/rtkf_eng.html

I did use this one, and it works like a charm.   It's the only file that can't be right clicked and deleted.  When Trashreg wouldn't work on my son's computer, it was because of a missing file: msvbvm50.dll.  We were able to google and find a copy of it to download, slipped it into the system32 folder and then we were able to use trashreg.  When you run trashreg, it will tell you if a file is missing, just google the missing file and find a copy of it, move it into the System32 folder.

http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msvbvm50

Instructions for using Trashreg:
Save the archive to your desktop
make a new folder on your desktop
open the archive
extract the contents of the archive to the new folder
open the new folder
click on the trashreg.exe
The program will open in a little window
Go up to file, choose find embedded nulls
The NEVER DELETE folder will appear
highlight it and press your delete key

If by chance this doesn't get rid of the NEVER DELETE key, then you might have to take it to a repair shop to get it out.  I believe there is a way to remove it via command prompt, but that is very technical.  Personally I have yet to find any resource on the Internet that explains how to remove that with command prompt.  If you can't afford to pay a repair shop, then reformating maybe your last or only resort. 

No-CD install information: If you want to be able to still play Bon Voyage download this

http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2bonvoyage.shtml
or
http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_the_sims_2_bv.shtml

Go into C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 Bon Voyage\TSBin

Change Sims2EP6.exe  to Sims2EP6ORG.exe

Then slip the no-cd exe Sims2EP6.exe into the folder.

When you want to patch your game, change the no cd exe to Sims2EP6NOCD.exe, and change Sims2EP6ORG.exe back to Sims2EP6.exe.

Patch the game as usual.  When finished label and swap the file names again and you will be good to go.  ;D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 November 12, 16:06:53
Um. Yeah. that was all in the first post.

FourCats, I'm assuming that you are talking about all the other registry entries in your computer, not those to do with SecuROM. As a general rule, if it's not causing you problems, don't mess with anything in your registry.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 November 12, 16:27:11
Um. Yeah. that was all in the first post.

FourCats, I'm assuming that you are talking about all the other registry entries in your computer, not those to do with SecuROM. As a general rule, if it's not causing you problems, don't mess with anything in your registry.

Please be open minded. I believe the method I have outlined is much easier then the first post.  That RegDelNull registry editing utility thing is too hard to use, and frankly it did not work for me at all.  A lot of people have been saying the first post is too hard to understand.  Plus this provides some additional resources.  I think we are learning a lot more about SecuROM removal than we did starting out.   ;)

Also that Trashreg file is an all purpose registry cleaner.  It will get rid of all the "other" entries.  I use it all the time.  With it you can even delete entries for free trials and use a free trial software again once you've deleted those.  ;D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 November 12, 16:46:01
I'm open-minded, I just found it redundant upon skimming. Alternate programs for the same thing, then the same directions over again. Possible I missed something, though.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2007 November 19, 20:46:22
Call me stupid (I prefer technologically challenged), but If you get the securom off the computer how are you supposed to put that link in place of another?  Is this download to install it all over again?
Obviously I'm having trouble with this. I am not real confident about doing it myself yet, but am working myself up enuff courage to do so. I have disabled the permissions part of it, as someone had told me to do (in the registry), does this help?
thanks,
Skye


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 November 23, 23:35:31
Call me stupid (I prefer technologically challenged), but If you get the securom off the computer how are you supposed to put that link in place of another?  Is this download to install it all over again?

I am not sure what link you are refering to.

Obviously I'm having trouble with this. I am not real confident about doing it myself yet, but am working myself up enuff courage to do so. I have disabled the permissions part of it, as someone had told me to do (in the registry), does this help?
thanks,
Skye

No, disabling permissions in the registry does nothing.  You have to get SecuROM off your computer completely to be safe from it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2007 November 25, 16:38:53
The no cd crack, I mean. Sorry.

I got totally lost in the directions. Maybe I ought to find a tech to explain it to me?  Would there be a "walk through" for 'unawesome' ones like me--ones who aren't so tech smart, but who would really like to get this off? I'm almost broke (paying for these ep's and sp's), and want a cheap way to do it.
Thanks
Skye


My heart goes out to all these people who think all they have to do is uninstall the game to get the securom out. I read that in the bbs teen style stuff area.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tessieroo on 2007 November 25, 17:25:28
Skye - *waving* I've seen your postings at the BBS, welcome to the dark side.  :D



What exactly are you asking? Have you removed all traces of SecuROM from your PC? Do you need help with that? Or do you need help using the no-cd crack?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2007 November 25, 19:50:11
muahahahaha, thanks tessie, I'm the nasty one over there, and thank you for the warm welcome here.

I want the securom out of my system, but I want to play like no one's business. I just found out I have that daemon thing too. Do you think they will actually come up with a fix for this, or do you think they'll continue to hide from us?

I was wondering, do you get rid of the whole game, then get rid of the securom, then reinstall it and before you launch the play button, put that no cd crack in there?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 November 25, 21:06:04
The no cd crack, I mean. Sorry.

I got totally lost in the directions. Maybe I ought to find a tech to explain it to me?  Would there be a "walk through" for 'unawesome' ones like me--ones who aren't so tech smart, but who would really like to get this off? I'm almost broke (paying for these ep's and sp's), and want a cheap way to do it.
Thanks
Skye


My heart goes out to all these people who think all they have to do is uninstall the game to get the securom out. I read that in the bbs teen style stuff area.

Which directions did you follow, the one in the original post or mine? 

Try mine, I think it's easier, just follow it one step at a time:
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,9929.msg281293.html#msg281293


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 November 25, 21:12:32
muahahahaha, thanks tessie, I'm the nasty one over there, and thank you for the warm welcome here.

I want the securom out of my system, but I want to play like no one's business. I just found out I have that daemon thing too. Do you think they will actually come up with a fix for this, or do you think they'll continue to hide from us?

No I don't think they will ever fix it.  The only way to fix it is to get it off the game completely.  They possibily could change to another copy protection some day, but that's not going to be for a long time.

I was wondering, do you get rid of the whole game, then get rid of the securom, then reinstall it and before you launch the play button, put that no cd crack in there?

You do not have to uninstall the game at all.  Just uninstall SecuROM, then before you start the game up again, put the no cd crack in.    The crack will bypass the launcher all together.  You will start up from a short cut of the crack on your desktop.  You will no longer need to keep the disk in the drive to start up the game. 



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: KinwatsaZ on 2007 November 26, 03:18:13
Hi, I too have had lots of computer weirdness since the spring, and it kept getting worse.  My tech said he suspected a rootkit, and then I found out about this Securom stuff.   Well, long story short,   I am now waiting for service on the machine because my USB's are malfunctioning.   Once I get either restored USB function or a new computer, I am setting up the game system to "stand alone"...no internet connection.   
For the first time I have downloaded a noCD crack from the link http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2bonvoyage.shtml
but I have read enough of these threads to be confused.   The first entry from Pescado was clear enough.  When i reinstall my game and EPs etc, before the first time I start it, put the noCD crack in place of the .exe ... got that.  But there is stuff about torrent and Yasu and Daemon and I don't know how that all applies ... Is the noCD all I need, will I still have the CD in the drive?   And the link above has two files,   I wasn't sure, so I picked the second, is that for the BV patched game?  I never in my life expected to go and get a noCD for anything, but I have been through HELL since April,  if anyone is interested I can list 8 very weird things I experienced that convinced me someone had unauthorized access into my home network.  Any advice vis a vis the noCD and which one I need would be very appreciated.  K


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 November 26, 03:39:35
You have legal copies of the game, you have no need for deamon or yasu, that was for those of us who installed using a torrented copy.
You're doing fine so far, just install your games under an admin privileged account on your system and before you ever run it, drop the no cd in place. You will no longer need the cd. Make sure you drop it in the right place, some people have not and just put securom back on their system all over again when they used the shortcut and it was in fact the original one. Make a back up of the original exe, then drop in the no-cd. I don't have much experience getting things from gameburnworld, I prefer gamecopyworld. You can not patch with a no-cd in, you have to replace it with the original exe if you want to patch and then put the no-cd crack back (and have an unholy hybrid that may cause problems later) or find a patched no-cd to take the place of the old crack.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2007 November 26, 04:15:47
http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2bonvoyage.shtml
And the link above has two files,   I wasn't sure, so I picked the second, is that for the BV patched game?
Yes, the patched BV version is v1.10.0.122.
Like morriganrant, I prefer GameCopyWorld (http://www.gamecopyworld.com) to GameBurnWorld. Unlike GBW, GCW clearly lists the release date of NoCD and the name of release group who made the crack. The group name info can come in handy when multiple versions of NoCD are floating around.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tessieroo on 2007 November 26, 14:31:59
Sky - if you're having trouble following those removal instructions, lemme know. PM me or something. (have you ever messed with your registry files before?) It can be pretty daunting if you haven't but it works, trust everyone here!  ;D

As for the no-cd patch, once you open that .rar or .zip file, you'll fine a new Sims2EP6.exe file. That goes under this: Click My Computer, Click whatever hard-drive you have you game on, Click program files, Click EA games, Click Bon Voyage, Click TS bin and copy the new .exe file there. (Make sure you backup the other one in case.) Then just close all those folders and click on your BV icon on the desktop. This allows you to play without the CD (which means no SecuROM!  :D )

Kinwa -
That's exactly what happened to me! (besides not being able to read CD/DVD anymore) My USB SanDisk mini-cruzer wouldn't read either......it showed emtpy, even though I know I had tons of stuff backed up on it.  >:( Once I removed SecuROM, everything was fine.  :D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: KinwatsaZ on 2007 November 27, 13:53:31
Uh folks.  I feel like such a n00b....Never used a cracked exe before.    There is a 3kb file with the Fairlight file,  that is named fltdox.  Does that go somewhere?    I still don't have a standalone set up for the game...awaiting my tech at the moment to see if he can recover my USB capabilities.   I got a lot of tips from BleepingComputer.com,  seems I did have an invasion.   But since the computer has been wiped, unless it is connected to the Internet, I probably won't have those scarey weirdnesses (death to all nesses)   anymore.  They suspect I may have caught something "in the wild" and gave me a routine to find it...if it ever happened again.   So far, this eight year old Win2000 system is looking secure. 
BTW guys, thanks for all your help and kindnesses (that one we can keep) ... What a great site!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tessieroo on 2007 November 27, 14:55:52
Don't worry about it, I was a noob to the whole no-cd thing too when I came here. Never thought I'd resort to something like that but there ya go............ :D

Here's the patched no-cd file for BV:
http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2bonvoyage.shtml

It's version 1.10.0.122 (14.5MB - it's the only file you need) and read my post above on where to place it. (I'll post those again below) I've started using those no matter what, it's just easier? Plus saves wear/tear on the CD. Those guys at Bleeping Computer are great, I've been there before too.  ;D

Instruction for no-cd crack:
That goes under this: Click My Computer, Click whatever hard-drive you have you game on, Click program files, Click EA games, Click Bon Voyage, Click TS bin and copy the new .exe file there. (Make sure you backup the other one in case.) Then just close all those folders and click on your BV icon on the desktop. This allows you to play without the CD (which means no SecuROM!)



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2007 November 28, 23:08:04
Well, apparently I've been banned from the bbs. I can't get in there. I knew it was only a matter of time before they got attitude on me. Oh well, at least I don't have to deal with those two ninnies for however long. I had told this one simmer to come here to get the securom out. That must have done it.  I didn't even hint about how to cheat on any of it, just the info on the securom removal.

I have been trying to remove the securom bits, am having trouble finding the do not delete one, and the others too. I clicked regedit, and found the area, then clicked the find, and nothing came up.  I saw the securom still in there, though.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2007 November 29, 07:52:58
boy im really glad kazsims got back in to the bbs because i dont think i could have coped with the stream of consciousness and the long run on sentences for another few paragraphs i was starting to get kind of seasick and dizzy because i couldnt remember wher my place was and im glad i didnt have to do anything about the request because i found it almost imcomprehensible. Phew.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 November 29, 13:42:27
Well, apparently I've been banned from the bbs. I can't get in there. I knew it was only a matter of time before they got attitude on me. Oh well, at least I don't have to deal with those two ninnies for however long. I had told this one simmer to come here to get the securom out. That must have done it.  I didn't even hint about how to cheat on any of it, just the info on the securom removal.

I have been trying to remove the securom bits, am having trouble finding the do not delete one, and the others too. I clicked regedit, and found the area, then clicked the find, and nothing came up.  I saw the securom still in there, though.

skye, I don't think you're banned.  No one was able to get on the website.  It's been down a lot.  ;)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: veilchen on 2007 November 29, 15:18:02
boy im really glad kazsims got back in to the bbs because i dont think i could have coped with the stream of consciousness and the long run on sentences for another few paragraphs i was starting to get kind of seasick and dizzy because i couldnt remember wher my place was and im glad i didnt have to do anything about the request because i found it almost imcomprehensible. Phew.


/me cracks up



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tessieroo on 2007 November 29, 16:12:07
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I saw the securom still in there, though.

Where did you see it? So you're not sure if you've removed it completely?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 November 29, 16:30:03
boy im really glad kazsims got back in to the bbs because i dont think i could have coped with the stream of consciousness and the long run on sentences for another few paragraphs i was starting to get kind of seasick and dizzy because i couldnt remember wher my place was and im glad i didnt have to do anything about the request because i found it almost imcomprehensible. Phew.

/me cracks up

Damn - coffee on the monitor.  now i'm going to have to clean this up because even if it's a sad statement about my day this was probably the funniest thing i've seen all morning don't ask really and then imagining veilchen laughing made it like more funny you know so now i have to clean this all up and i still have a bunch of stuff i have to do before lunch i mean besides being here and i realize that i'm running on a bit here but i thought you should know, k?

Hey, typing like that is harder than it looks at first glance.  I almost got lost in my own paragraph.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Emma on 2007 November 29, 16:50:04
It is really hard to type BBS-style! Ages ago, witch and me had a thread where we were typing like that. It hurt my head in the end :D I'll have to try to find that thread 'cos it was really funny! Do you remember it witch?

PS, it isn't fun to wipe coffee from your screen is it jolrei? Now you know how I feel when you keep making me laugh :P


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 November 29, 19:47:55
 8)
Sorry?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Venusy on 2007 November 29, 20:39:16
Notes on removal from Vista: running cmd as root like the first post no longer works. Instead, enter the following:

schtasks /sc Once /ST (current time + 1 minute) /TR cmd /TN cmd /IT

EDIT: Wait a minute, why did I get SecuROM 7.02 when the version on BV is apparently 7.20? And why did I even get it given that I haven't started the legit executable up?

NEVERMIND: It was apparently installed by GTA: San Andreas. The cmd command is still useful though.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: KinwatsaZ on 2007 November 29, 22:19:46
Hi Again,  On with the saga.  Have a new Vista machine en route,  no Sims goin' on that one darnit!    Set up the broken machine with the disabled USB's as a standalone just for Sims and ripping my music.  Sneakernet is a PITA,   but better safe than sorry.   Thanks to all you intrepid folks, for all the comfort and support.   No SecuRom.  Followed the instructions (once i understood them) and all is well.   Not that it probably matters at all now since the damage was already done to my USBs and that borked machine is going no more online. Thank goodness my hubby is all love and understanding!  The minute it looked like a mobo failure he said buy a new one,  and then when it wasn't he said buy a new system.  He is such a love.   That is my reward for not crabbing about his hunting trips.  Heh heh heh.   More Sim time for me, right?   My sympathies to all the kiddoes that will have (and have) problems and no money or support. K


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2007 November 30, 08:52:08
It is really hard to type BBS-style! Ages ago, witch and me had a thread where we were typing like that. It hurt my head in the end :D I'll have to try to find that thread 'cos it was really funny! Do you remember it witch?

Yeah i remeber cos u wer mean 2 me and mad me cry


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 December 04, 18:21:26
EDIT: Wait a minute, why did I get SecuROM 7.02 when the version on BV is apparently 7.20? And why did I even get it given that I haven't started the legit executable up?

NEVERMIND: It was apparently installed by GTA: San Andreas. The cmd command is still useful though.
Yeah, I have 7.02 from NeverWinter Nights 2. It doesn't screw with my system like 7.20 does, so I'm letting it live. That and there isn't a crack for the current NWN2 patch.

Kikilove, Go ahead and install BV. Don't start it up. Go to the official site and apply the patch. Go to the link by tessiroo for the patched version of the crack (http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2bonvoyage.shtml). Download it. Open up the compressed file and take the file named Sims2EP6.exe and follow just step 4.
4. To not get it again, you need to start loading from a no-CD crack. I recommend the Fairlight version from http://www.gamecopyworld.com/. Go to "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 Bon Voyage\TSBin" and change the name of the current Sims2EP6.exe to Sims2EP6.bak. Then place the crack in the same folder. Make a shortcut to this on your desktop, and run the game from this new shortcut.
I'll add the link to the patched .exe to the first post.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 December 04, 19:20:31
Hey everyone! i am new here and i just found out about securom two days ago. Luckly i still dont have BV or H&M. I am planning to install BV this friday and i am really scared of securom since i am getting a brand new perfect desktop.So...can anyone please walk me through the process of installing BV and the patch and then replasing the exe. file. I am completely lost! Do i deletete the old exe file, when do i install the patch and how to actually get the no-cd thinng.
 ??? ??? ???

Possibly time to redirect people back to the very top of the thread.  This provides a pretty good walkthrough/tutorial, courtesy of Zazazu, I believe.  With regard to the .exe file specifically,  Do NOT delete it.  Move it somewhere safe or rename it when you put in the no-cd .exe file.  You might need the original again if you need to patch or update something.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 December 04, 19:46:28
Umm another quil question. So what if i put in the BV cd and the game loads by itself ( after i replaced the exe file)? will securom install? should i not use the cd at all?
* bare with me her- not too computer savy*

If you load the no-cd hack, no, you should not be using the CD at all.

Incidentally, you may wish to watch your spelling - "bear with me" is, I believe what you wish to say.  I don't think you know anyone here well enough yet to suggest that they "bare" with you.  :D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2007 December 04, 20:28:05
Lol OOPS!  ;D
So when i install BV traces of Securom still appear on the computer, right? Should i delete them...how? Or is it ok to leave them as long as they are not activated?
You are soooo much help!

Ah, well, this is where my own helplessness rears its ugly head.  I can not explain this better than Zazazu's tutorial starting on page 1 of this thread.  It will give you a step by step guide on how to eliminate secuROM and install your no-cd crack.  I would suggest there is not much point in doing all this if you are simply going to leave secuROM on your machine.

You may want to print the tutorial to better follow the steps.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tessieroo on 2007 December 04, 23:28:58
Kiki -

To completely remove all traces of SecuROM on your PC (as it may mess with other things, no one really knows) follow the instructions in the very first post on the first page of this thread. If you have problems, PM me & I'll walk you thru it. Did you download the patched version of the no-cd crack already? If so, you don't need to get the official patch from the offical site, it's already included in the new no-cd patch. Go back a couple pages here to see the instructions on WHERE to place the new no-cd .exe file. NO, do not delete the old one but back it up someplace safe on your PC.   ;)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dizzy on 2007 December 04, 23:40:39
The patch does not just change the exe. You still need the patch for changing other things like the objects.package file and such.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 December 05, 05:56:02
So if i actually leave it, but never activate it- will it affect the computer ( like lag, and disavled DvD..)
Kiki. You've never run BV from the CD, have you? Are you using the administrator (main) account on your computer? If you can answer yes to both questions, you do not have SecuRom on your computer. It only gets added on an administrator account after you've loaded the game using the default executable (not the crack we've linked to).

If you installed it under any account other than the administrator (like if you are using Mom & Dad's computer and they set up a restricted account for you) then yes, it does install without you ever running the game from the CD. Then you need to follow all the instructions in the first post.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sluggo on 2007 December 07, 16:26:01
Hi Sluggo: I was not aware that Michigan did that I just bought  anew HP Laptop in a Bestbuy here in Michigan guess what no Restore CD's.. ummm

  The catch is, they don't have to tell you they have to supply the back-up disc. I can't find the letter I received that informed me that I ha the right to the back-up, therefore, no case number. I'll try to do some research adn get back to you on how to contact HP and insist on the back-up they "forgot to supply," But I do know you have to contact them with some secret code words or something silly like that. Then again, as trends have gone for Best Buy to sell you a back-up, they're not gonna tell you freely that you have the right to a free one.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2007 December 07, 16:56:46
Yeah, so how do you find out if they're required to give you a disc? Is it nationwide or only for certain states?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 December 07, 17:11:39
Has anyone noticed  that couff couff > me sure if saying EA the sims site is a bad word or not..lol  ..But they have issued a SecuROM uninstall tool available. 

Has anyone checked this out yet. Will this uninstall the entire game?

Thanks

Apparently, it only works for the SecuRom specific to BV. It doesn't work for the infestation due to Deluxe, H&M or Pet Stories. You also have to have the BV disc, so anyone who took up EA on their refund offer is out of luck. EA seems determined to fuck this up every possible way it can.  ::)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mamainred on 2007 December 08, 07:05:26
Has anyone noticed  that couff couff > me sure if saying EA the sims site is a bad word or not..lol  ..But they have issued a SecuROM uninstall tool available. 

Has anyone checked this out yet. Will this uninstall the entire game?

Thanks

Apparently, it only works for the SecuRom specific to BV. It doesn't work for the infestation due to Deluxe, H&M or Pet Stories. You also have to have the BV disc, so anyone who took up EA on their refund offer is out of luck. EA seems determined to fuck this up every possible way it can.  ::)

They now have SecuROM removal tools for Deluxe, H & M, Teen Style Stuff,  Bon Voyage & said they are working on one pet stories  too.   I did try them they removed all of SecuROM it very quickly.
It does not un-install your games.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 December 08, 13:43:17
I saw the additional tools. Does anyone know if they work on Vista?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sluggo on 2007 December 08, 15:49:59
Yeah, so how do you find out if they're required to give you a disc? Is it nationwide or only for certain states?

 Now I'm starting to believe they changed the law after that class action was won, because I can not find any information about it. Curiouser and curiouser. I'll go through my paperwork this week and see if I can find the letter informing me of the back-up disc.

Edit: I may have been talking though my ass, because all I could find on line was:
  http://www.shrapnelcommunity.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=365052&Main=356463
 Which is a copy of an Email someone received. It seems the reason the disc I received was due to the fact HP provided back up on the hard drive. I'll do more research, because I'm pretty sure the notice I received noted I had the right to request a back-up disc free of charge for any computer.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sleepycat on 2007 December 10, 23:15:12
I tried the new suckRot removal tools (for BV, H&M, TS), they didn't remove the registry keys (the don't delete one and the userdata one). maybe because I didn't uninstall BV or the others... 

anyway, I put in the no-cd exe, game works but I still get those annoying random 5 second freezes.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 December 11, 05:56:15
I tried the new suckRot removal tools (for BV, H&M, TS), they didn't remove the registry keys (the don't delete one and the userdata one). maybe because I didn't uninstall BV or the others... 
You're surprised? I doubt it's because you didn't uninstall BV. It's prolly because the Maxis-supported tools don't actually remove SecuROM. Yet another placebo thrown to the masses.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sleepycat on 2007 December 11, 07:39:51
You're surprised?


nope, wasn't surprised at all. I wouldn't have bothered to check if I had actually trusted them to do it right.

Oh, there was also another registry key under Local Machine that got left behind.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2007 December 11, 17:16:58
It didn't remove for me either, and good ol' maxoidsam told me that I was the only one it didn't remove for.  I wondered, then, if it could be the music I had checked out at the library, or music I'd bought for my daughter that had securom in it.

How come all the others are able to get it off their computers?  I know it isn't the windows media 11, cos that program is on two different computers--one that has issues, and one that doesn't. 

And why is it so hard for the darn company of EA/Mazis to put out a stupid game that doesn't have the darn securom anyways? They told us there are only a few of us that have issues. Well, why don't they offer those "few" the game without the securom?  And why the heck are they continuing with the next eps-to have securom in those games as well?

frustrated, I'm still trying to get rid of the securom in my computer....trying to use the tutes you guys put up. I did figure out one thing....I'm a tard! I can't understand it all....I am trying though.

REally Frustrated,
Skye


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 December 11, 17:20:13
How come all the others are able to get it off their computers?  I know it isn't the windows media 11, cos that program is on two different computers--one that has issues, and one that doesn't. 

Possibly, because many people are sheep and believe what they are told. Most don't know where to look for the traces either. A folder that was there, no longer being there, "Woo! It's gone!". Many are nervous about looking in the registry and wouldn't know what to look for in the first place.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2007 December 11, 17:26:30
There are so many in there who are so "grumpy" (yep, I'm censoring m'self) that you're almost afraid to give your opinion about anything. I've been getting nasty letters in my guest book even.

They are indeed sheep, who don't want to believe their beloved company would do that to them. Surprise?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2007 December 11, 18:59:05
Their machines are probably also riddled with spyware/malware, have a zillion toolbars in IE - because of course they still use that - take 10 minutes to boot and load 15 non-needed services in the system tray. The majority have probably completely failed to notice their machines are running crappily because for them that is the status quo.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 December 12, 17:52:24
Huh? You mean, like, someone coming over to your house and doing it? Do you like getting axe-murdered? We don't really do that here. Prison's a bitch.

No offense meant, but take it if you feel it...you come off as very young. Perhaps it's best to get a parent to follow the instructions for you. If you closely follow them, you aren't going to touch any non-SecuROM registry keys.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mamainred on 2007 December 12, 22:35:26
How come all the others are able to get it off their computers?  I know it isn't the windows media 11, cos that program is on two different computers--one that has issues, and one that doesn't. 

Possibly, because many people are sheep and believe what they are told. Most don't know where to look for the traces either. A folder that was there, no longer being there, "Woo! It's gone!". Many are nervous about looking in the registry and wouldn't know what to look for in the first place.

I did get the tools to remove all SecuROM off my PC.  This is what I did, I ran the tools with the game installed, rebooted.  Than un-installed the games (with SecuROm), ran the tools again, rebooted.   I checked all the files in the registry where it ad been before & found Zero, not even empty files.    I am not a BBS  sheep, I believe nothing unless I have tested it for myself.  This one worked for me. But, I am reading where it has not for others.  Maybe for the same reason SecuROM affects some of our PC's & not others ?

I did get rid of Windows Media players since the game first came out. Only because I never used it & there was some reports on the BBS of possible issues.  I had a lot of trouble with SecuRom, so I removed it too see if it might help.  I also changed my anti virus program & dumped Norton.  I don't know why I can play BV now glitch free (thanks to hacks from this site).

I do not have any tool bars installed & keep my PC clean. 

As for the OP about Skye, she may be young at heart, but she is a grandmother, not a child.  She came here as many of us do to see if someone more awesome than ourself has answers.   Often
we do not need to ask the question, the answers are already here.  She has been trying hard to get answers on the BBS. Those willing to help, do not have answers for her. 

Perhaps now  her only answer it to go to the agrrrr sites now & enjoy her games again.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 December 13, 05:38:01
As for the OP about Skye, she may be young at heart, but she is a grandmother, not a child.  She came here as many of us do to see if someone more awesome than ourself has answers.   Often
we do not need to ask the question, the answers are already here.  She has been trying hard to get answers on the BBS. Those willing to help, do not have answers for her. 
Or they can't without getting banned. If you've been around the BBS (sounds like you have) you've seen that in spades.

I wasn't talking to Skye, by the way. She seems just fine. I was talking to imasimming, who appeared to want someone to step him/her through it in person, and was using quite a few leet-ish mannerisms that lead me to believe they are very young and perhaps not taking the time to read things over and understand. We all have different backgrounds, and some things don't come as easily as others, but that one doesn't seem to get it or be empowered.

I can't answer personally as to what the removal tool does. I don't have the EA version of SecuROM (I have NWN2's and no way to play the patched version with a crack, but NWN2's seems to get along just fine with my system) and am not going to purposefully infect myself again to test it. I've just heard here and at PMBD that it hasn't removed registry keys. If it removed yours - great! Suffice it to say, though, that I'm far past the point where I had any trust in EAxis. They either are stumbling about in the dark and truly don't know what they contracted into (idiots) or they are deliberately misleading their fans in an attempt to make themselves look trustworthy (backfired).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: vcline on 2007 December 14, 00:41:56
Sorry to be clueless, but even if you use the Maxis tool to remove SecureRom, won't it just install itself the next time you play using the CD?  I haven't been to the EA site, but are they recommending you use a no-CD crack?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 December 14, 00:48:25
Sorry to be clueless, but even if you use the Maxis tool to remove SecureRom, won't it just install itself the next time you play using the CD?  I haven't been to the EA site, but are they recommending you use a no-CD crack?

Yes it will install next time you use the cd. EA is recommending that you use nothing at all and keep your SecuRom infected computer the way it is, or use the removal tool and get rid of your eps that have securom.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 December 14, 14:05:11
As for the removal tool from EAxis people seem to be getting mixed results.  I experimented and it worked fine for me.  I think you have to use it in a certain way for it to be effective.  You have to have the protected game installed, have the game disk in the drive when you run the tool.  Of course this is not going to help people who's drives aren't working.  Where people seem to be having complications is when they've uninstalled the game and left SecuROM on the computer.   It won't work unless the game is installed, of course, but also it appears when they reinstall the game, they must still start up the game first to reactivate SecuROM (which is risky to their computer), and then use the removal tool.    The risk to reactivating it is they could risk having problems with their drive not recognising the disk, and then they've got SecuROM reactivated and no way remove it again.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2007 December 15, 22:23:40
Yes, malware, spyware, et cetera. It mainly fucks with CD/DVD drives, anti-virus programs, and emulation software, but I wouldn't be surprised if it messed with the internet. The biggest problem, however, is the fact that EA wants to put something on your computer without telling you.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2007 December 16, 00:51:58
It can cause a problem in USB devices as well.

The reason MaxoidFucktardSam claims that only about 150 customers contacted EAxis with SecuRom issue is, most average users don't ever imagine their legitimately bought game can fuck up the system in such a malware-like fashion. If their burning software no longer works, they'll go to local repair shop, or contact the manufacturer of DVD burner. Why would they contact the game company? People assume malwares come only from shady source like porn sites. They don't expect to be infected by malwares just by playing Celine Dion CD from computer. (http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2005/11/are-you-infected-sony-bmgs-rootkit)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 December 16, 02:15:44
actually im stuck on teh frist step, because I am unable to locate the Computer Key.
Try the second option for that step:
Quote
Download regdelnull.exe and place it in C:\
Go to "Run" and type in "cmd", then type the following:

cd C:\
regdelnull hkcu -s
regdelnull hku -s
 
The two regdelnull calls above will scan the whole of HKEY_CURRENT_USER (abbreviated to HKCU) and HKEY_USERS (abbreviated to HKU). It's possible you may find other null registry keys during the scans, since you're not targeting *just* the SecuROM keys doing it this way. regdelnull will prompt you with the full pathname of every key it finds though, which will contain the name "SecuROM" if it's one of the ones you're after, so you can check names and only respond "y" to delete those two.
It's a lot easier than searching.

Might want to do a basic scan on your computer, too. I'm not saying that SecuROM couldn't mess with your getting into Hotmail as I don't have it and don't know how they handle their portal. But it's not something I've heard of before. I personally use McAfee but then also scan with Panda ActiveScan  (http://www.pandasecurity.com/usa/)as it seems to find more. Only problem with the free version of Panda is that it only ID's, it doesn't remove. You have to search out removal instructions.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 December 17, 14:25:12

Hi
I'm back finished fighting with trying to back up my system.  I have an external so I have been loading it up an moving it to another pc laptop for now.
My drives were so messed up and my USB stick memories to transfer got messed up. Lots of error messages. I also read that the SecuRom will mess things up if your PC has the Media Center on it which mine does. Most people had removed it. Geesh to think I pay for this on my machine and now ... gggrrr ok won't  go there....

Sorry about ima's last post i had my daughter type in a call for help and I see what she had typed, I was trying to figure things out and was  not making myself clear to her.

This is what I have done so far...

 I used the EA Tools.. uuuggghh more Frustration.
I then removed H&M and BV games and used maxis tool.  I would like to reinstall and manually remove SecuRom. Once I do this will I be able to use the NOCD and play BV?
I figure I am at this point might as well experiment with it. I am willing to reformat so what do I have to lose. Suggestions would be appreciated.

Thank you again for your understanding and any help

Yes, once you get everything fixed, you could if you want play BV with a no cd patch.  Just be careful not to start up the game until after you put the crack in, or SecuROM will get installed again.  Oh and don't forget to patch BV before you put the no cd crack in.  That way you won't be dealing with the NPC spawning/programming error.  Just don't start anything up until the crack is in.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 December 17, 19:17:23
Yes, once you get everything fixed, you could if you want play BV with a no cd patch.  Just be careful not to start up the game until after you put the crack in, or SecuROM will get installed again.  Oh and don't forget to patch BV before you put the no cd crack in.  That way you won't be dealing with the NPC spawning/programming error.  Just don't start anything up until the crack is in.

You always forget to tell them that they have to install to an admin account. If you install the game to an account that does not have admin privileges then Securom 7.x will install with the game.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2007 December 17, 22:20:12
I just had to add this, for those of us who know our securom problem. Bruno has made a funny along with beautiful gowns---check out the magazine cover!  http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=263180
merry christmas,
Skye

(still working on making those programs work.. I think in using the registry cleaner that I got rid of some of the stuff I needed to help get rid of the securom)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 December 17, 22:35:30
check out the magazine cover!  http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=263180


That's pretty cute, and a very well done cover at that.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2007 December 18, 00:14:41
I just had to add this, for those of us who know our securom problem. Bruno has made a funny along with beautiful gowns---check out the magazine cover!  http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=263180

The EAxis of Evil... classic. ;D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 December 18, 02:56:48
:P I've been saying that for ages. But I'm sure I wasn't the first. I love, love, love that Bruno was using a Liana Sims mesh as she's now with TSR and was a pay/donation site before.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MutantBunny on 2007 December 18, 03:08:49
Easist way to hunt for the Securomkey: Open your regiestry (run . regecit)

Make sure that Computer, the top entry/key is selected

Go to Edit in the Menu > FIND  and type in Securom

This will find the Securom key if it's there. (Hitting Find Again (or F3) finds the same entry again (duh))

Now go back to the instructions here to get rid of the little bastard kety if you found one.:)

Thjis is a handy dandy search function and works just the same as any Find function in any, for instance, word processor software. Learn it, use it. it's great and easy.




Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 December 18, 13:07:59
Easist way to hunt for the Securomkey: Open your regiestry (run . regecit)

Make sure that Computer, the top entry/key is elected

Go to Edit in the Menu > FIND  and type in Securom

This will find the Securom key if it's there. (Hitting Find Again (or F3) finds the same entry again (duh))

Now go back to the instructions here to get rid of the little bastard kety if you found one.:)

Thjis is a handy dandy search function and works just the same as any Find function in any, for instance, word processor software. Learn it, use it. it's great and easy.


You can also search for the cmdlineext keys with this same method.  I believe the manual method is the best because you can be sure they are all getting removed.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simerette on 2007 December 19, 15:12:49
Hi all

     Fresh start I have all my Sims EP's and SP's I also installed H&M did not run it, installed. I then installed my BV. But did not start it up.  I just want to make sure I have this right. 
I have some questions:

Do I down load the patch from EA before I install the NOCD or skip the EA update?

Just making sure here and again please how is the NoCD installed ... never done this one before?

Will Matys hack work with this NoCd?

An my last question is will I have to go in to the registerys and or try to remove items?

If I perchance receive a Teen Stuff Pack what steps would I have to take then?

thank you for allowing me to post here...   


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 December 19, 15:44:15
1. Did you install on an admin account? If you did not, you have securom.

Do I down load the patch from EA before I install the NOCD or skip the EA update?
You can patch if you like. Do it before installing the no-cd. I beleive the Nocd at Gamecopy world is a patched one.

Just making sure here and again please how is the NoCD installed ... never done this one before?
Get the no-cd from game copy world.
Install BV. Right click on the shortcut on your desktop. Click properties. Click find target. Change the name of Sims2ep6 to Sims2ep6backup (or anything really). Now drop the no cd into this folder.

If you want to bypass the launcher, you will go back to the shortcut on your desktop. Click properties. Change the end of the target from The Sims 2 Bon Voyage\TSBin\Sims2launcher.exe" To The Sims 2 Bon Voyage\TSBin\Sims2EP6.exe". No more launcher.
Feel free to start the game from the desktop shortcut.

Will Matys hack work with this NoCd?
Yes maty hacks will work.

An my last question is will I have to go in to the registerys and or try to remove items?
Not unless you already have had all the securom infected material installed and ran it without a no-cd. Or if you have installed on an account other then an admin privileged one.

If I perchance receive a Teen Stuff Pack what steps would I have to take then?
Just install it. On an admin account. You will keep running from the BV no-cd.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simerette on 2007 December 19, 17:22:46
Ok I went to Gamecopy world and I am totally confused on where to find theirs... lol   Directions please or a link would be helpful  ppplease... ty


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 December 19, 21:12:03
The link in the first post is a direct link.
 ::)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simerette on 2007 December 20, 00:47:09
Thank you all for being patient with me. I finally got it up and running I checked my registerys in the find SecuRom I found nothing so it worked. I will be loading my CC and I also was wondering where I might find the Maty Hacks for the muti NPC and so on...

Thank you again ... Your all great


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2007 December 20, 00:52:41
MATY hacks are found in the numerous sub-fori underneath Retardo Land. Newer hacks are in The Firing Range. For quick access to all the hacks in one download, try the Director's Cut in The Armory. For more information, check the MATY FAQ.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: moonoverparadise on 2007 December 20, 16:23:41
Can anyone tell me how to get the no cd patch from fairlane to work on a admin account of a vista computer? I think I have tried every which way to get it to work but alas cannot. I even used mor's above instruction and still all I get when I try to run it is the little white box with a red x that lets me know it won't be running the program. :( any other suggestions would be helpful.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MutantBunny on 2007 December 20, 16:55:02
It works fine for me, no problem at all, no special settings, on Vista Home 64bit.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lyra on 2007 December 20, 16:57:08
I bet you've put it in the wrong directory.

Don't worry, everyone on the site where I got it from did that too.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2007 December 20, 17:03:10
Works fine for me, with vista ultimate 32bit. Are you sure you put it in the right folder? It should asks permission to replace, if it didn't ask, then it's a wrong folder


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: moonoverparadise on 2007 December 20, 17:09:23
Because I renamed the original exe file to a bak file, it would not ask me to replace it. So therefore, I believe I have the correct directory. C:/Program Files/EA Games/The Sims 2/ The Sims 2 Bon Voyage/TSBin

If this is not the correct folder I do need to know the correct one.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2007 December 20, 17:32:53
Because I renamed the original exe file to a bak file, it would not ask me to replace it. So therefore, I believe I have the correct directory. C:/Program Files/EA Games/The Sims 2/ The Sims 2 Bon Voyage/TSBin

If this is not the correct folder I do need to know the correct one.

Oh yeah, silly me. I didn't back up the original exe because I can always get it from the original cd. Anyway, it should be the right directory. I don't know what could cause the error. Have you tried to run it in compatibilty mode?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: moonoverparadise on 2007 December 20, 17:43:09
Uggghhhhh! I had thought of that but didn't pursue the idea. Now that you suggested it, I did try it and no, even in compatiblity mode it will not work.  I remember now that this is why I quit using no cd patches. I could never get them to run. Sigh, I suppose I'm stuck with securom......


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2007 December 20, 17:46:46
I remembered reading somewhere about somebody having the same problem as you. Can't remember how they resolved it though, maybe try to run as administrator?  :-\


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: moonoverparadise on 2007 December 20, 17:51:26
Although I can change tic the box to run as an administrator, apply it, it doesn't hold. Tried to do that several times last night and it just wouldn't work.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simerette on 2007 December 21, 11:44:22
Good Morning All
     
  I ran my game twice so far with the nocd.  I reformated my PC and I never ran the game with a cd. So I know I did the steps correctly. I really havent played much because the NPC problems. I want to go with the wait and see thing.  So as I was thinking about playing today i thought i would take a peek at my registerys. So I went to find and put in Securom. This is what I found.

HKEY_Current_User /software/Microsoft/Internet Explorer/Low Registry/Extensions/cmd mapping

Should I be worried about this and should I remove this?  Is this even part of the game or Microsoft? I am going to go back and re read the directions to see if I can find any more.

Thank you for allowing me to post...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2007 December 21, 16:26:50
HKEY_Current_User /software/Microsoft/Internet Explorer/Low Registry/Extensions/cmd mapping
Should I be worried about this and should I remove this?  Is this even part of the game or Microsoft? I am going to go back and re read the directions to see if I can find any more.

Hun. Google should be your new friend.
http://www.safer-networking.com/removeCashToolbar.php
That is a toolbar for IE. Why are you still using IE as a browser? Cash Toolbar has normal search functions, but may generate ads as well.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jmtmom on 2007 December 22, 16:21:27
EA has merged the SecuRom forum into the Technical Help forum.

http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=b063b8844056800bf5bc9501dc6175df&directoryID=21&startRow=1&openItemID=item.21,root.1,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23 (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=b063b8844056800bf5bc9501dc6175df&directoryID=21&startRow=1&openItemID=item.21,root.1,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23)

They say it's because the traffic has slowed in the SecuRom forum. They're probably hoping that it will get lost in all the stupid questions over there.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MutantBunny on 2007 December 22, 17:27:40
I noticed MaxassSam was over here a few days ago. Probably checking the climate on people's attitudes--see if the Securom debacle is dying down.

I'lll never ever spend another dime on EA products or any software that has securom or starforce or any other crap they come up with stronger than SafeDisc. I'll pirate it and get a noCD.exe if I want it that badly which is what they--those in the gaming industry--deserve for putting that crap on our machines and then ignoring our problems.

I had a friend that said 'why wish a fucking on them? why not wish on them something unpleasant, like an audit?' So: Audit them!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 December 23, 15:45:37
EA has merged the SecuRom forum into the Technical Help forum.

http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=b063b8844056800bf5bc9501dc6175df&directoryID=21&startRow=1&openItemID=item.21,root.1,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23 (http://bbs.thesims2.ea.com/community/bbs/messages.php?threadID=b063b8844056800bf5bc9501dc6175df&directoryID=21&startRow=1&openItemID=item.21,root.1,item.61,item.104,item.41,item.127,item.23)

They say it's because the traffic has slowed in the SecuRom forum. They're probably hoping that it will get lost in all the stupid questions over there.

Sure, now that they've banned and censored everyone the traffic has slowed. The problems have gone under ground, or over here where they can learn how to pirate the game.  ;D  In the tech area simmers are being lied to.   I suppose if I post to set the record straight I will be threatened with another ban.  :-\


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Celestard on 2007 December 23, 15:50:20
I noticed MaxassSam was over here a few days ago. Probably checking the climate on people's attitudes--see if the Securom debacle is dying down.

I'lll never ever spend another dime on EA products or any software that has securom or starforce or any other crap they come up with stronger than SafeDisc. I'll pirate it and get a noCD.exe if I want it that badly which is what they--those in the gaming industry--deserve for putting that crap on our machines and then ignoring our problems.

I had a friend that said 'why wish a fucking on them? why not wish on them something unpleasant, like an audit?' So: Audit them!

All eyes are going to be on the tech section at that bbs when Free Time comes out with all new programming errors, bugs, glitches, and SecuROM damages.  :o


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Hegelian on 2007 December 24, 20:39:00

I first started programming in that on an Apple II in the local library when I was killing time waiting for my then-wife to pick me up after work.  My first computer was a Franklin Ace 1200, which was Apple II compatible and also had a CPM board in it so I could run Wordstar and SuperCalc. I remember when I bought it that the salesman swore to me that 64k RAM was more than anyone would need for the foreseeable future. :)

Heh--I had one of those too. Didn't need a CP/M board, but I had a Hercules display adapter so I could see italics and such in PieWriter. When I was no longer doing that work, I had to sell it to pay my income taxes (self-employed), but it and my Star Micronics dot-matrix printer remained in service for years afterward, printing product and tracking labels for a company that made cardiac catheters, using absurdly primitive BASIC routines I wrote for printing the labels.

My first programming experience was in a CS course coding Fortran IV on punch cards to run on a Burroughs 6800 (I sucked at it).   :P

Their machines are probably also riddled with spyware/malware, have a zillion toolbars in IE - because of course they still use that - take 10 minutes to boot and load 15 non-needed services in the system tray. The majority have probably completely failed to notice their machines are running crappily because for them that is the status quo.

Okay, wait. My PC takes several minutes to boot, and I don't have all that stuff—I actually know what I'm doing. But, um, my XP install does date from December 2003. . . .    :D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: cwykes on 2007 December 31, 11:50:32
The stupid thing about this whole thing from my perspective is that people who have always thought that no-cd cracks were an illegal, VBT only used by teens and techies are downloading their first ever no-CD crack to avoid Securom.  Will they stop with one?  Not likely.  So putting Securom on the Sims BV  in a move against piracy etc etc has been entirely counter productive.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2007 December 31, 20:04:53
The no-CD crack use to avoid issues with it really isn't the biggest problem. It's the fact that many of us now can't bring ourselves to support the francise, but still want the game. And we will get it, even if it doesn't involve money changing hands.  :-\


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Spicey on 2008 January 09, 21:43:26
The no-CD crack use to avoid issues with it really isn't the biggest problem. It's the fact that many of us now can't bring ourselves to support the francise, but still want the game. And we will get it, even if it doesn't involve money changing hands.  :-\


's'truth.

 :(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Berney on 2008 January 11, 17:25:28
If you own the game, using a no-CD crack isn't illegal. It's only illegal if you didn't buy the game, but downloaded it or borrowed someone else's CD to install it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 January 11, 20:55:16
Duh.

But Maxis is trying to claim that using a No-CD crack at all is illegal, regardless of whether or not you own a legal copy.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 January 11, 23:36:02
I tried looking it all up when all this started. It'd damn difficult to find anything related to copy protection measures and the users rights. Never did find anything that gave all that much information or what I did find didn't seem to be able to back it up with anything official.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Venusy on 2008 January 12, 01:23:46
General SecuROM question: all versions of SecuROM are bad, but are some (e.g. the ones included with BV/the BV patch/TSS) worse than others? Because something seems to have installed SecuROM v7.01 on my PC without me noticing it, but all the games I have on this PC are running fine even with DAEMON Tools running.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 January 12, 01:29:19
I thought that anything past Securom6 was bad. I haven't seen any reports of nasty behavior from anything before that. Although my Google-fu may be made of fail.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2008 January 20, 22:23:31
I wrote to the better business burea, and turned in the problem.  I had been one of those who they were trying to censor in all this.  Trolled many many times over it. Just because some don't have the problems doesn't mean we all were that lucky. They take great delight in putting us down over there. Anyways, here's the info for you to read:

On January 09, 2008, the business provided the following information:
Greetings,

If you have are not satisfied with the game play for the games you have purchased. You will be able to use our warranty information located in the back of the manual. If you no longer have the manual for the game you will be able to use the following link to locate the same information on the internet. Please click on the following link to http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=8947

Now for your specific issue, if you do not wish to communicate with our technical support team to with solve your issue. If your game is within 90 days of purchase and you have your receipt of purchase. You will be able to send your game to our Warranty group in exchange for a sealed copy of the game. This sealed copy of the game will be accompanied by a note from us asking the store to refund your purchase. If you do decide to use this method of return please include a note explaining what you would like to have happen. If you wish you can also reference this correspondence and my name. I am located at the same facility where your claim will be processed. So if issues do arise on this end I will be able to solve them for you.

Mailing Address:
Electronic Arts Customer Warranty
209 Redwood Shores Pkwy
Redwood City, CA 94065

Thanks!
Jeff
Electronic Arts
Not acceptible because the warranty has now run out on both games while waiting for an answer. What do I do with it once warranty has run out?
Technical support is not an option without the game in my machine, I was told. I turned in all my information before when I had the game in, and they lost my letter.
I would like to request, again, the game with another anti-piracy program in it. Just replace the disks, as I am fixing the computer myself.
EA wanted us to put the game back in so we could see what their patches do. My computer is out of commission right now.
I would also like EA to publicly tell us what is going on.
They are still continuing with this securom program, even though it is messing up even more computers. Many of us don't have a place to complain to that will listen. We are cut off now, not supposed to discuss it with each other now in the bbs area.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lorelei on 2008 January 21, 02:31:52
Better Business Bureau is a crock, alas. Try Bad Business Report online.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 January 21, 06:40:16
Good god, the Engrish in that reply letter is appalling.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: spursgirl on 2008 January 22, 16:23:08
Quick question... I'm installing Deluxe and the EP's (including BV) on a new machine.  If I just installl everything consecutively without running the game and then get a no-CD EXE for Bon Voyage, will that still ensure that I won't get SecuRom from Deluxe?  I swear I'll shoot fireballs at someone if I get it on my shiny new system.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 January 22, 16:31:21
Si. If you install both and then run just after installing BV, you'll only be running from the BV executable. The Deluxe .exe could be coded to tell your computer to explode, and it wouldn't care because it only looks at the latest .exe (the one you double-click to run the game).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: spursgirl on 2008 January 22, 16:34:31
Thank you Zazazu. :)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SarahKjrsten on 2008 January 29, 03:51:39
I am not awesome.

I followed the directions and removed SecuRom from my computer (Vista), however, I have no idea what to do with a no cd crack. I went to the link in the first post, downloaded it and unpacked the rar file to my desktop, followed the directions in the first post to place it in C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 Bon Voyage\TSBin after renaming the original file to have .bak extension. I double clicked on the new .exe for BV (I had previously moved the original .exe to my 'Unused Desktop Icons' folder so I wouldn't use it accidentally) and nothing happened. I tried double clicking it again and nothing happened. I brought up the task manager to see if it showed up, and when I double click, it shows up for 3-4 seconds and then vanishes and the game won't load.

What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 January 29, 04:50:29
Delete your Groups.cache? Try that and come back and report. If you don't know how to do that then go here. (http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?title=Game_Help:Delete_Cache_Files)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SarahKjrsten on 2008 January 29, 05:11:05
Delete your Groups.cache? Try that and come back and report. If you don't know how to do that then go here. (http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?title=Game_Help:Delete_Cache_Files)


That did it! Thanks very much for your help!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 January 29, 22:51:16
That's very nice hun, have you read the FAQs?  (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,7437.0.htm)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 January 30, 12:02:35
See, Venusy? Your tactic doesn't work. Now we can't even blame people for not reading it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 January 30, 16:17:33
Can we blame them for not being pervy enough? I'm disappointed in you, KiganMatsuei.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SarahKjrsten on 2008 February 08, 00:43:10
I'm not 100% sure that this is a SecuROM issue, but I'm fairly certain it is.

As you can see by my above post, I managed to get rid of it and use a no-cd crack for BV to work. And BV worked perfectly until today. I purchased and installed Castaway on Tuesday, and today for the first time since installing Castaway, I went to play the Sims--and the game won't load. I'm starting it from the no-cd short cut, and it simply won't start. The really odd thing about it though, is that if I look at my task manager, it shows the game as running.

What can I do to fix what I've broken?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2008 February 08, 00:49:05
Delete groups.cache?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: PaganKitten on 2008 February 08, 10:24:01
I just got BV today.  I went through my Downloads folder and removed all my hacks, and stupidly started installing BEFORE I came here.  While waiting for the install, I started downloading all the BV-compatible versions of the hacks I use, and stumbled across an article with numerous comments complaining about SecuROM.  So I Googled 'SecuROM "ea games" ' and found a link to this thread (as well as a couple to now-locked BBS threads that complained of the usual Suck-u-ROM ills).

By the time I had found out about all the potential problems Suck-u-ROM can cause, I'd already run BV (without the no-CD patch) to see if it would work on my somewhat outdated PC (which is a different on than the one I use to access the intarwebs).  After reading this thread (and the ones on the BBS), I exited the game, ran Norton AV (no problems there), ran AdAware and Spybot S&D (no problems there), then started up BV again. It seems to be running fine, except that it paused for less than a second, about every five to ten seconds, during the loading screens.   But that could just be because I'm running Sims 2 on a 2 1/2 year old eMachine with a 3 year old NVidia card.

Apparently, I'm one of those lucky people whose system didn't get FUBARed in some way by Suck-u-ROM.  Does this mean I won't get rid of it?

Hell, no.  The fact that it has been installed on my PC without my permission pisses me off.  The fact that Sony has designed it to hide itself and make it difficult to remove makes it even MORE desirable for me to remove it.  I resent Sony and EAxis putting that kind of thing on my PC without even giving me the chance to refuse it.  Sure, I could have not installed BV in the first place, but I didn't know about this embedded software until it was too late.  Now, it's going to go the same way as any other malware that attempts to insinuate itself onto my computer.

And it's going to make me think twice about buying anything else from EA Games.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 08, 14:59:40
Just so you know, Securom is on the H&M and Teen Style Stuff Packs as well.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: PaganKitten on 2008 February 08, 18:40:32
I never bought H&M, as I couldn't really see the point.  I *had* considered Teen Style, when I bought BV, but only because I wanted the Goth/emo stuff.  But not badly enough to pay $20 for it.  I have plenty of custom goth stuff that I downloaded for free.

I'm sure the "Free Time" EP will have Suck-u-ROM on it, too, but so far it looks like an EP I can live without.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 February 08, 19:24:46
Just so you know, Securom is on the H&M and Teen Style Stuff Packs as well.
As do the "stories" games and the Deluxe addition.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 February 08, 19:56:09
I'm sure the "Free Time" EP will have Suck-u-ROM on it, too, but so far it looks like an EP I can live without.
I'm absolutely sure that everything else with "Sims2" on it will now. But now we know how to avoid it... torrent the games. Quite sad for EA really, but they made their own bed. It's not like they didn't see the color of the sheets before they tucked in.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 February 09, 17:02:03
...even if those sheets happen to be Eau de Brynne colored.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 February 14, 16:51:31
And get infected by SecuROM? No, thanks.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 February 14, 22:56:49
DRM in general has no point, because game manufacturers refuse to realize that sharing/copying disks is the least popular form of piracy.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 February 15, 15:15:53
DRM in general has no point, because game manufacturers refuse to realize that sharing/copying disks is the least popular form of piracy.
Not only is it unpopular as a method, but it is also the method most likely to actually generate sales! The "casual" disk sharer is most likely to buy his own at some point. The veteran e-pirate is not only unlikely to do so, but strongly discouraged from doing so by the superiority of the counterfeit product that he clearly knows how to acquire. A short-sighted move like this forces customers that run into problems to learn the ways of the pirate, and pretty soon they join the Dark Side in frustration. By taking that sale now, the company costs itself future sales, an incredibly short-sighted move. Better to lose a sale in the present for sales in the future than to permanently alienate customers  while simultaneously teaching them to be pirates to make what they have bought work!

Consider: A user who borrows a disk from a friend, with no CD check, probably won't buy the game NOW...but he might in the future, when he has to reinstall it, or buy the expansion pack now that he has the game, and is no better equipped to be a pirate later than he was before. A customer pissed off by the game NOT WORKING that has to go find a crack has now learned some dangerous knowledge and has a hostile disposition. It is not a customer that is pleased with your product and likely to buy future products.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simerette on 2008 February 20, 12:57:32
Hi

   Im back...lol any who I got the Teen Stuff will I have to remove the nocd set up and return it to the Original or because its just a stuff pack I can install over the NOCd patch?

Thank you
Simerette


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 February 20, 13:36:27
More context. If you're installing JUST a stuff pack, it's advisable to restore the original executable, but you can go back to using the crack again after the install.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 20, 16:18:49
Because the game will check for it when it "checking to make sure your game is up to date." After that, you're cool to use the crack again, because stuff packs run off the most recent EP's executable.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tabbs on 2008 February 21, 06:40:07
Because the game will check for it when it "checking to make sure your game is up to date." After that, you're cool to use the crack again, because stuff packs run off the most recent EP's executable.

How would I go about getting the original boot up if I deleted it? Also since they have new patches out - should I install those and then try and find the no-cd crack which will work with it?
I haven't installed any patches because I'm afraid I'll get the wrong version of no-cd crack.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 February 21, 13:29:25
It looks like the no-cd crack for the new patch is already up at Game Copy World: http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_the_sims_2_bv.shtml


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 21, 17:39:45
You'd have to reinstall the Arred copy I think. Unless someone else knows.  :-X


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 February 22, 02:31:53
You'd have to reinstall the Arred copy I think. Unless someone else knows.  :-X

Couldn't you open the iso copy like a normal cd and take it out of there? I have before.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2008 February 23, 15:46:38
It looks like the no-cd crack for the new patch is already up at Game Copy World: http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_the_sims_2_bv.shtml


You might want to give this link to zazz, so can have that link in first post as update. They'd appreciate that, I think.

I am having a terrible time, here. I tried going through the tutorials, but when I bring up the regdelnull thing, it does not show anything in there!  I don't know why! Gads, I'm retarded here! I am still working with it though. Will keep trying it....Tessiroo? Help? haha
hugs,
Skye


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Soylent Sim on 2008 February 23, 22:31:40
The command runs the regdelnull program, which if you're like most users has been placed in somewhere other than the base C: directory.  Find where you actually put it, and go to My Computer/C:  Drop a copy of regdelnull in there, and the command should work from the command prompt then.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2008 February 24, 23:31:54
When I type all that in it tells me 'regdelnull is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh239/Skye61/Secucrap.jpg)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 February 26, 15:57:21
Uh-huh. Did you make sure to download the program, and place it directly in your C:\ drive (not in a subfolder)?

Also, make sure you are spelling things correctly. I noticed you are typing \Softward\


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: nekonoai on 2008 February 26, 16:08:30
Hey, could suckyourom have something to do with my dvd burner not being able to read burned discs?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 February 26, 16:28:06
Hey, could suckyourom have something to do with my dvd burner not being able to read burned discs?

Yes, it could.  This is apparently one of the possible side effects of SecuROM.  Lucky you.  Removing securom may solve the problem.  However, this solution may be temporary, at best, if you play CDs or DVDs in your DVD burner regularly (especially from any Sony Entertainment company) as many of these now also come with a version of Securom.  Securom = disc transmitted disease for your compy.  Abstaining from Sony may be the best policy.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: nekonoai on 2008 February 26, 17:22:26
Very interesting. Well, I do have another computer I can still access these discs from, as well as my dvd player, so it's not like I'm hurtin or anything. Still, it's really inappropriate for people to be utilizing software like this.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 26, 17:46:04
SecuROM would show up on the add/remove programs list, correct?

I thought I had gotten some securom free arr's, but my hubby has had trouble getting the CD Drive to read legitmate game discs. (It took him several tries to install some games last night) is this securom crap or is it that my CD drive is wearing itself out?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 February 26, 17:55:38
SecuROM would show up on the add/remove programs list, correct?

It is at this point that one should probably go back a few pages (17 or so) to the top of the thread and look at the steps required for actual removal.  I'm not sure it actually does show up on the add/remove programs list.  It does not on mine, and I have not removed it as yet because 1) I am too lazy, and 2) it has not noticeably caused problems for me.  Securom installs itself in your registry, as well as in hidden files/folders in your directory.  The removal techniques clean all this out.  Note that playing the game from the disk without a no-cd crack will result in the game simply re-installing it the next time you play.  Also, using the computer to play Sony Music or other CDs or DVDs with securom will also re-install it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 February 26, 18:02:03
No, showing up on add/remove would defeat the purpose. It tries to be all sneaky.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 26, 18:32:51
Hmm. I must've had another version on my PC then, because before I reformatted I checked the add/remove and SecuROM was showing up there. Mayhaps I should check my registry then.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 26, 18:58:27
hi all!!!!!!!
I have a huuuuuuuuge problem! I had securom as well on mypc and I follwed the steps mentioned and eventually deletet that shit! But actually, I'm still not able to run ANY Sims-game! dumb as i am I deleted them all cause I thought that then it'd be possible to run it - that was before I found out everything about securom on your page! Little did I know that I was not going to be able to reinstall ANY Sims-Game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know why, but I can't run any of em, It doesn't start, nor does it react when i click Autorun.exe or Setup.exe!
So my problem is:
1) I aint got SecuROM
2) I can't reinstall Sims-Basic version, nor any expansion, of course!

HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 26, 19:07:21
Quote
Greetings everyone,

I seem to have a problem. I had Securom on my PC and I followed the steps and managed to delete it. However, I'm still not able to run Sims games. Dumb as I am, I uninstalled them all because I thought that then it'd be possible to run it without having it installed. Ths was before I read everything about SecuROM in this thread. I am not able to reinstall my Sims games for an unknown reason. Perhaps I am a mongoltard and forgot how to insert the CD? I don't know why, but I can't run any of them, it doesn't start, nor does it react when i click Autorun.exe or Setup.exe.
So my problem is:
1) I don't have got SecuROM
2) I can't reinstall Sims-Basic version, nor any expansion, of course!

Can you help me?

Fixed.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: gynarchy on 2008 February 26, 19:18:25
Quote
Dumb as I am, I uninstalled them all because I thought that then it'd be possible to run it without having it installed.

Uninstalled or just deleted? What exactly does "them all" mean? Hang on, let me translate back...

UNINSTAL3D OR JUST DELATED?!??!?!?? OMG WTF LOL WUT 3XACTLEY DOES TH3M AL M3AN?!?!!!?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 February 26, 19:19:17
hi all!!!!!!!
I have a huuuuuuuuge problem! I had securom as well on mypc and I follwed the steps mentioned and eventually deletet that shit! But actually, I'm still not able to run ANY Sims-game! dumb as i am I deleted them all cause I thought that then it'd be possible to run it - that was before I found out everything about securom on your page! Little did I know that I was not going to be able to reinstall ANY Sims-Game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know why, but I can't run any of em, It doesn't start, nor does it react when i click Autorun.exe or Setup.exe!
So my problem is:
1) I aint got SecuROM
2) I can't reinstall Sims-Basic version, nor any expansion, of course!

HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this is today's record folks - less than 7 minutes from registering to total error.  Adonis, you are appearing less than completely godlike.  Think things that eat mud.  Read our FAQ and the other stickies in the Podium section on how to post, or more pertinently, how not to post and come across as a complete pratt.

That said, it sounds like you not only got rid of your securom, but also deleted your sims games and all EPs as well, yes?  If you want to play them, you will need to reinstall them.  If you have borked your registry, or you have made an error uninstalling the game and EPs, that might explain why the install process is failing.  We will, in any case, need more information to help you.  

Can you tell us in reasonable English, without too many exclamation points, how you "deleted" your game (did you uninstall or just delete stuff from directories), what happens when you put your install disk for the base game in the drive (error messages, nothing, blue screen of death, etc?).  I'm assuming your drive is at least working since you seem to be able to see the autorun and setup commands on it.  



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 February 26, 19:21:17
Jolrei has infinite patience.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 26, 19:35:55
ok, so I'm gonna have to explain it once again: First I uninstalled all my sims 2 ep, sims2 basic inlcuded, because I had no clue about SecuRom and thought that would help me to run the game - course it didn't. then I made some system restores (damn, I don't know whether that was good) and finally I came accross this forum and followed the instructions. actually, I managed to delete securom completely from my pc. however, no sims package was installed when I deleted securom and now, it is impossible to reinstall any. help me please!!!

btw: sry for my first comment, but I'm a nervous wreck, I have on that for many days and I'm frustraded cause the lteast ep has just been released in europe and I'd like to buy it, but I wont if I am not even able to lapy the normal game!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MegAnne on 2008 February 26, 19:56:44
However, this solution may be temporary, at best, if you play CDs or DVDs in your DVD burner regularly (especially from any Sony Entertainment company) as many of these now also come with a version of Securom.  Securom = disc transmitted disease for your compy.  Abstaining from Sony may be the best policy.
I already got rid three times of Securom. It keeps showing up on the computer that I share with my daughter, probably because she plays CD/DVDs in the burner. Any suggestion on preventive measures that she couldn't circumvent? (Other than to tie my daughter's hands)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 February 26, 20:29:53
ok, so I'm gonna have to explain it once again: First I uninstalled all my sims 2 ep, sims2 basic inlcuded, because I had no clue about SecuRom and thought that would help me to run the game - course it didn't. then I made some system restores (damn, I don't know whether that was good) and finally I came accross this forum and followed the instructions. actually, I managed to delete securom completely from my pc. however, no sims package was installed when I deleted securom and now, it is impossible to reinstall any. help me please!!!

Why restore the system after you uninstall? Do you have any EA Games or Sims folders left on your system?  Is the stuff all gone?  Might system restore have reloaded some stuff that you just uninstalled?

You may want to try 1) getting a torrent version of the base game and seeing if that installs.  Get one without securom and a no-cd crack for best/easiest results.  2) reformat your drive and start over if there really is something seriously messed up.

Can you install anything at all from your drive (other programs?).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 26, 20:32:09
Why doesn't it reinstall itself when you put the CDs in? Did you actually go through all the uninstallation process or did you start deleting things?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 26, 20:52:13
ok, so I'm gonna have to explain it once again: First I uninstalled all my sims 2 ep, sims2 basic inlcuded, because I had no clue about SecuRom and thought that would help me to run the game - course it didn't. then I made some system restores (damn, I don't know whether that was good) and finally I came accross this forum and followed the instructions. actually, I managed to delete securom completely from my pc. however, no sims package was installed when I deleted securom and now, it is impossible to reinstall any. help me please!!!

Why restore the system after you uninstall? Do you have any EA Games or Sims folders left on your system?  Is the stuff all gone?  Might system restore have reloaded some stuff that you just uninstalled?

You may want to try 1) getting a torrent version of the base game and seeing if that installs.  Get one without securom and a no-cd crack for best/easiest results.  2) reformat your drive and start over if there really is something seriously messed up.

Can you install anything at all from your drive (other programs?).

yes, i can, without any problems. I have deleted every remaining folder. what do u mean by "get one without securom..."? is securom also on the basic sims2-cd? hmmm..... reformat my drive just for theSims??? well, maybe I'll find another solution


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 26, 20:53:33
Why doesn't it reinstall itself when you put the CDs in? Did you actually go through all the uninstallation process or did you start deleting things?
do u mean securom or the sims? well, if u mean the sims, that's why I'm wondering , too!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 26, 20:56:56
*head desk*

Did you run uninstall when you "deletet" your Sims games? Or did you just start deleting things willy nilly?


Is the question that complicated?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 26, 21:07:17
I uninstalled them via (damn, that is hard for me in english!) Start/ program access and standards (I don't know if these are the correct enlgish words!). and after that I deleted every remaining folder and registry key from theSims cause it didn't work after I had deleted securom and sims. so I tied to get rid of the rest -> I thought it would work after everything had been deleted.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 26, 21:13:26


Okay, now: Are you getting any error messages when you try to install the game again? Or does it sit in your CD drive and do nothing?

Another thing: be sure to check your registries again for broken any Sims registry. I don't know if all the system restores may have messed something up on this end.

Also, which version of "The Sims Basic" do you have? Only the special editions have Securom on it. So if you have the original CD version or the DVD version, you don't have to worry about Securom getting installed on your PC. BUT if you have the Special Editions that include Nightlife (cars) or Seasons (weather) or Bon Voyage (vacations) then yes, they will have securom on them and you should follow the instructions in the first post about getting a nocd crack to run the game without getting Securom installed on your system.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 27, 14:07:00
It just sits in my cd-rom drive and does nothing.
acutally, i'm not sure if i have ever had the same problem as you all... My problem was, that couldn't instal any further EP and I always had to start TheSims via Start\Programs\EA Games... Is that the common SecuROM problem? What could it be if it is not? I first realized the problem when I tried to install Teen Stuff, cause nothing happened when I put the CD into my drive and when I tried to start AutoRun manually (that seems ironic to me - I try to start a program called "AutoRun" manually!!!)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 27, 16:15:25
Weird. It's kinda similiar to my problem, but it happened when my hubby tried to install LOTR: Battle for Middle Earth and Star Wars: Empires at War.

Are you sure it's just Sims games that your cd drive is ignoring?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 27, 17:53:56
NO! After having read your comment I tried it with several games! Every game worked, but SimCity 4! what's going on there? Sim City does work, but without AutoRun, I have to start it via Start! Any ideas why???


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 27, 17:57:07
Hmm. Well, try this, this is what my husband did to fix ours:

Without a CD in the drive, go to my computer and select your CD Drive. Double click it. It should bring up an empty window, place the CD in the drive. It should automatically load the info into the window you had open. Select setup or install or whichever.

See if that works. Barring that, do you have another PC (friends, relatives, whatever) to test the Sims CDs to see if they're busted?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 27, 17:58:01
and itz the same with battle for middleearth!!!!!! so it is something with EA games? but thatz weird, why is that so?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 27, 18:03:41
omg, red alert 2 doesn't work either! itz the same with all ea games! but where does that come from?????


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 27, 18:04:24
Maybe we're discovering why you're not supposed to uninstall SecuROM. *laughs*

If you're not scared of torrenting, maybe you should try to torrent the game instead. I mean, you already have legal copies of the game. So it's not like it's a big deal.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 27, 18:08:38
oh, red alert works. but battle for middle-earth, sim city and sims don't. I can't really get download versions of all of these games, just becuase all of a sudden the can't be installed!!! I have been playing them for years and have often installed, uninstalled and reinstalled them and suddenly I got these probs! i just want a solution, but I'm afraid EA is just uncapable! ufff.....


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 27, 18:10:46
Did you try the method I mentioned above? That's how my hubby managed to get the Battle for Middle Earth to install.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 27, 18:14:59
no, that method neither works with ballte for middle earth nor sims.... surprisingly, I can install the directX included on battle for middle earth...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 27, 18:17:29
Mmkay. Then I am stumped. It's obviously not a hardware problem, because you can use other games. So... I dunno. Unless this is a new symptom of Suck-u-rom and it wasn't properly deleteted.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 27, 18:21:35
maybe u're right... but there is nothing remaining in neither the registry nor anywhere else on the computer... at least nothing visible! I'm gonna ask a friend if he can help me, and maybe I'll write another email to EA... I mean, they must be interested in someone who invested nearly half of his pocket money in their games, no? XD
anyway, thx for ya help!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 February 27, 18:29:03
I'm not convinced it is specifically a securom-based problem.  If you followed the steps to remove as provided in the thread, that part should be OK.  However, I can see that there may be problems arising from deleting the game incorrectly and then system restoring which may have left residual things on the system or in registry.  As this would be EA code, it might explain why EA games are the ones affected.  I should note that I am speculating at this point and am not 100% sure.

I have never heard of this particular problem so it is difficult to identify the specific cause or where to look to repair or remove the offending file, code, registry entry, or whatever.  I would agree that it does not sound like a hardware problem or a problem associated with just the Sims discs.

That being said, if it was me (and since it is a drastic step, I can not "advise" you to do this) I would likely back up my data, saved games, hoods, documents, bookmarks, address book, etc. and then reformat the drive and start over.  At least I would be sure that everything was cleared.  It does mean having to reload your whole system (all programs, games, etc.).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Adonis on 2008 February 27, 18:45:29
well, I'm afraid u're right.... but that aint good... i don't wanna do this... thx , anyway


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 27, 18:48:50
I believe, that if there are things that you want to save, a good PC repair shop can save them for you when you do the reformat. You just have to tell them first, and I am pretty sure, have them all in one location.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: gynarchy on 2008 February 28, 22:09:56
Google is your friend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kuronue on 2008 February 29, 15:10:09
...how far back was your restore point?

Maybe I have it out of order, but if you
a) uninstall the games
b) uninstall Securom
c) go back to a restore point before uninstalling the games

wouldn't you have Securerom back, at least in some partial vestige? And thus be having issues playing various CDs?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: speedreader on 2008 February 29, 17:51:03
I have a couple of questions.

I never bought Pets so BV was the first EP I had to worry about Securom.  I had read this thread before loading the game so have been running from a no CD hack.  Now I have purchased FreeTime and realize I need to make the game right before I load, but I'm not sure how to do that.  Do I change the Sims2EP6.bak back to Sims2EP6.exe and remove the crack from the TSBin folder?  Then after loading the new EP change the Sims2EP7.exe to .bak, right and load the new hack? 

Second question - I went to gameburnworld to get a No CD hack and picked up a No DVD hack.  Will this work if I bought the game on CD?  Somehow this seems like a simple question, but I really don't know the answer.

Thanks for your help. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 29, 20:47:10
When I installed FT, I did NOT need to remove my crack for BV.

Also CD Cracks for CD-rom version DVD cracks for DVD versions. Must match.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: speedreader on 2008 February 29, 21:12:18
Thanks for helping!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lauriej on 2008 February 29, 21:49:56
as far as i can tell freetime only comes on cd at least everyone i know who bought it says it is a cd not dvd, yet the no-dvd is the only one available for freetime.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 February 29, 22:01:03
The international version (which has been on the market longer) is on DVD.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 March 01, 02:46:09
Are you sure it must match? I think the exe for the DVD and CD version is the same. The autorun.exe and compressed.zip most likely are different, but the actual Sims2EPX.exe usually identical.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 March 01, 04:05:48
And in both cases all the real .exe does is check for the SecuROM signature on the disk, which would be the same for a CD or a DVD.  So there should be no difference in the .exe at all (and it would surprise me if there were).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 01, 05:43:45
Eh, I've tried using the dvd version of cracks before and they didn't work. My experience doesn't count for anything, because I can't tell you Why they didn't work. I haven't tried with this game though. Oh, and there is a no-cd in my sig ...for whoever wants it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: speedreader on 2008 March 01, 14:29:34
I wound up using the No DVD hack for my game (purchased on CDs) and it is working.  I couldn't find a CD version that I had what I would consider a trustworthy recommendation and was worried about errors caused by a bad hack.  Having it plain old not work was preferable.  (No offense Morriganrant, this was before you posted.)

Anyway, thanks for all your help.  I don't post much, mostly just keep up with what's going on and download the DC regularly.  I honestly don't know what I would do without this site.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 March 03, 06:37:07
NoCD/NoDVD are the same thing. The entire point is to REMOVE the desire to check for a disk, thus rendering the system identical, since nothing needs to be in the drive.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 March 03, 17:55:06
The no-DvD/CD also works for copies purchased through EALink (or whatever they've renamed it to now).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 March 03, 17:58:16
The no-DvD/CD also works for copies purchased through EALink (or whatever they've renamed it to now).

Really? Interesting. I've never purchased a game through EALink, in what form do you actually download the game? Is it an iso or one huge executable, or...? ???


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 March 04, 01:05:16
It installs itself. I never paid attention. I wouldn't recommend it now, because it involves EA putting even more unsolicited crap on your computer.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 07, 04:11:55
Do you have to completly uninstall the Sims 2 Freetime to get rid of securom?? If so when I reinstall it, even with a no cd crack won't securom just get reinstalled? Also, if I reinstall and put in my back up folder but use the no-cd crack will that put securom on my pc again? I have not been able to use Nero to burn discs anymore and I'm really peeved. ??? >:(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 07, 04:22:17
Do you have to completly uninstall the Sims 2 Freetime to get rid of securom?? If so when I reinstall it, even with a no cd crack won't securom just get reinstalled? Also, if I reinstall and put in my back up folder but use the no-cd crack will that put securom on my pc again? I have not been able to use Nero to burn discs anymore and I'm really peeved. ??? >:(

Did you read any of this thread?
Even if you uninstall FT, securom will still be there. Once you remove securom, the use of a no-cd will keep it from coming back. You game files have nothing to do with securom. Go back to the beginning of this thread and follow those directions for the removal of securom. if you installed on a non-admin account instead on an admin account, then the securom files that were placed on your computer are a little different, that information is also in this thread.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 07, 04:44:24
Thanks for your oh so polite response. I know that uninstalling FT won't get rid of  securom, sorry if that was misleading as I'm a bit tired. What I meant was.....If I uninstall the sims 2 untill say BV and then remove securom, would securom just be reinstalled upon my reinstalling the sims eps, even with the no/cd crack? But I have the answer now. Thanks again,  :-\


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 07, 04:51:45
Thanks for your oh so polite response. I know that uninstalling FT won't get rid of  securom, sorry if that was misleading as I'm a bit tired. What I meant was.....If I uninstall the sims 2 untill say BV and then remove securom, would securom just be reinstalled upon my reinstalling the sims eps, even with the no/cd crack? But I have the answer now. Thanks again,  :-\
Well for one thing, BV has securom too, as does TSS, H&M, Deluxe and the Stories series, so does every EA game made now. You could remove all securom infected games and use the securom removal tool that EA has provided, I am unsure how well that works though. Once securom is removed, you can install securom infected games (on admin account) and replace the exe with a no-cd. So long as you never play from the original exe you, are fine. I can not endorse the securom removal tool as I have not used it and can not tell you if it gets everything when it's run. Following the instructions at the beginning of this page is probably the best method of removal.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 07, 15:38:41
I uninstalled every ep and stuff pack back to pets. I just hope I can remember what order to reinstall in  :D I followed the directions and I'm pretty sure I have suckurom off my pc now!!! for yay. The true test will be when I try and burn a DVD, which I will be doing shortly. Now if I can figure out the whole no cd crack thing for Free Time... ya I've never used one of these before so I feel like a tard. Thanks again for all the help. Much less frustrating than the BBS.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 March 07, 15:42:45
You can reinstall them in any order. It doesn't matter. About the crack thing, it's very simple. The only thing you have to do is copy the crack and paste it to the TSBin folder, and you're set.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 07, 16:39:02
I uninstalled every ep and stuff pack back to pets. I just hope I can remember what order to reinstall in  :D I followed the directions and I'm pretty sure I have suckurom off my pc now!!! for yay. The true test will be when I try and burn a DVD, which I will be doing shortly. Now if I can figure out the whole no cd crack thing for Free Time... ya I've never used one of these before so I feel like a tard. Thanks again for all the help. Much less frustrating than the BBS.

You didn't have to uninstall the games to remove securom with the instructions on the first page. It was only needed if you were using the securom removal tool that EA gave us.

You can reinstall them in any order. It doesn't matter. About the crack thing, it's very simple. The only thing you have to do is copy the crack and paste it to the TSBin folder, and you're set.
Only after renaming the original. If you have trouble figuring out where the no-cd goes then right click on the FT icon on your desktop. Click properties. Click find target. Rename the Sim2ep7.exe that you find there to something like Sims2ep7.bak or Sims2ep7origanal.exe. Then drop in the no-cd. If you ever need to patch then you will need to delete the no-cd, rename the origanal back to the right name, patch and find a patched no-cd , then use these instructions again, rename, drop in no-cd.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 07, 18:20:27
Quote
You didn't have to uninstall the games to remove securom with the instructions on the first page. It was only needed if you were using the securom removal tool that EA gave us.
DOH! Well thanks again for your help. It is much appreciated. ;)
Oh oh I have another question. Which is the correct link for the FT no cd crack? http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_the_sims_2_freetime.shtml
I think it would be the EXE one but the fixed image one says it's in English so I'm a tad confused.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 March 07, 20:06:06
Morriganrant has a link to a no-cd crack for FT in her signature. Use that one.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 07, 20:15:53
oooh, k thanks. I just tried to burn a DVD again and it still didn't work. This is the error I get:" Burning did not complete successfully! However all of the output files were successfully encoded, and they are ready for burning with the appropriate burning software.":
I have Nero 7. I have never had this problem sense before FT. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, Securom didn't appear in my reg after following the steps, so I'm really confused and pissed. I'm either stupid or screwed or both. About to throw this computer out the window.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 March 07, 20:30:38
Why do you want to burn one anyways? You don't really need it with a no cd crack.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 07, 20:33:20
Im not trying to burn the game, i'm trying to burn a dvd. The point is I can't burn any dvd's or cd's now. Which is very very frustrating.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 March 07, 20:36:20
Oh. My reading comprehenshiun. Let me show you my lack of it.

Are you sure you don't have securom then? My only other advice would be to check Nero for updates. Are you trying to burn a DVD on the proper type of DVD? (I learned the hard way about the difference between -DVD R and +DVD R.)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 07, 20:39:51
I'm using the same stack of DVD's that I was when I was successfully burning....I don't know


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 March 07, 20:43:59
Mmm. Sorry then. I don't know. I was just trying to throw out some random stuff.  :P


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sigmund on 2008 March 07, 23:08:37
Im not trying to burn the game, i'm trying to burn a dvd. The point is I can't burn any dvd's or cd's now. Which is very very frustrating.

Have you tried burning a CD or DVD with any programs other than Nero? I know my laptop came with a couple of different programs capable of burning CDs/DVDs when I bought it. If you haven't tried that yet, you might want to, since it's a possibility that it's just Nero.

Also, go into C:/Documents and Settings/(insert user name here)/Application Data and make sure there isn't a Securom file there. (You're going to need to have "show hidden files and folders" enabled under folder options if you don't already). If there is, it might explain why your burner isn't working correctly.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 08, 16:01:11
Nero is the only burning software I have. Just seems odd I never has this problem before I installed FT. I went to the directory and there is no Securom folder, but when I was trying to remove it following these instructions, I kept getting "invalid blah blah" or this file does not exist when entering commands in the CMD. There was one specific file that could not be unregistered/deleted no matter how many times I tried (the long one without classes at the end). I have contacted Nero support, hopefully they will be of some help.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 March 08, 17:48:22
Have you tried burning using Windows? Windows can burn CDs without any 3rd party software by default. Try that.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MutantBunny on 2008 March 08, 18:23:59
Sariah, been there, :) done that.

I had to re-install Nero which meant I also had to first remove Nero, which turned into a huge task because it would not remove--had to do it manually. I learned a lot about my registry that time.

So try that, remove Nero, and hopefully you won't have to do it manually like I did, then reinstall it.

I am still pissed off at EA for putting that crap on my pc unannounced and then for their very bad response on it. I will never buy another product of theirs, not that I want the crap anyway. But I do want to finish out the Sims2 Eps which means I wil  ARR it. The money they lose to me I will consider repayment for my drive and labor. :)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 08, 18:43:01
Ok I put in the no cd crack in my tsbin folder and renamed the olther one .bak. The game wont start, I just get a gray box with an x


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 08, 19:00:15
Have you tried burning using Windows? Windows can burn CDs without any 3rd party software by default. Try that.
Thanks for the advice, you would think that that would work but I have a Sony PC (ya never going that route again) and My particular version of XP doesn't let me burn DVD without other software. Like I can't just put a dvd in one drive and burn directly to my other drive, it simply will not do it. I have also tried putting blank DVD in the burner and adding files to burn, it never works. Yet another attempt by sony to make it difficult to make DVD. I could always burn CD's with or without Nero. Now sense securom I can't. I was told that the reason I can't burn like most can is my version of XP, which was why I had to buy Nero.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 08, 21:51:50
Ok I put in the no cd crack in my tsbin folder and renamed the olther one .bak. The game wont start, I just get a gray box with an x

Delete your groups.cache found in your sims 2 folder in My Documents. Then report back if that doesn't fix it.
*Snort* So you have a sony drive too? I remember that a lot of people were pissed because Securom attacked their sony drives as well.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 08, 21:56:28
ya real wonderful. I getting my next pc built from Micron (I live in Idaho) OK I tried the groups cache, still didn't work. Just get a gray box with a red X


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simaddict on 2008 March 10, 05:28:37
I don't have BV or Freetime yet, but I was wondering as long as I got the no cd crack for when I play the game, would it be safe to go to the store, buy the game & install it with the original discs, or does just installing it put SecuRom on the computer?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2008 March 10, 15:44:04
I bought the FT and installed it, then did the 'no cd crack' thing (to avoid more issues with securom). I then made a shortcut from that, cut that shortcut from the tsbin, and pasted it on my desktop.  I have been playing it very well.

I'm still too 'un-awesome' to figure out the securom removal, but this way I don't do more damage to my machine.

hope I helped
Skye

Oh yeah, funny thing here. In looking at my machines? I have been running these games on an NVidia GeForce 4200 without any problems on the good one! Not sure if that helped anyone, but hey, it's information for future reference.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 10, 16:57:48
ya real wonderful. I getting my next pc built from Micron (I live in Idaho) OK I tried the groups cache, still didn't work. Just get a gray box with a red X
Did you try the Wiki? http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?title=Game_Help:Game_Problem

You put your No-cd, here? C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime\TSBin ?
Where did you get your no-cd? You may want to try another, maybe the file is bad or the download went wrong.

I don't have BV or Freetime yet, but I was wondering as long as I got the no cd crack for when I play the game, would it be safe to go to the store, buy the game & install it with the original discs, or does just installing it put SecuRom on the computer?
Yes, you can buy the game and install with that. Install on a admin account, drop in the no-cd before you even try to open the game.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2008 March 10, 21:51:16
buy the game

It's much easier and cheaper to take another route. There are instructions for said route on this very site.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 10, 22:12:28
Amazingly enough, I now have a problem.
I torrented Sim City Societies and it installed just fine. I did not try to play it yet. I, like a dumb ass, patched with the 3rd Societies patch without checking to see if it's protection changed with the patch, before I installed said patch. I then spend an hour or so tring to get the game to run with A:Deamon B: Deamon+YASU, C: No-cd, D:Mini Image. It never started. In some cases, it would give me a "confliction with emulation software" message, others would get "insert correct cd in drive E" ignoring Deamon completely as drive K. OR it would show up in my processes and never start, it's mem usage would stay at one set amount. I learn on Deamon forum that in Societies 3rd patch it blacklists deamon tools.  I get pissed, uninstall Sim City Societies, and reinstall it, no patch. Still more of the same. So ...did I just royally screw my FreeTime over and update the Securom that sits in my system? As now it will not open with it's no-cd either. I'm only asking to make sure that I'm not missing something totally stupid. Sure, I did not have the recommended space for Societies but The Sim2 with all expansions and stuff packs was running and now, even with Societies uninstalled, thus freeing it back up to the same amount of space as before. It will not run.

I am going to try and remove Securom once more regardless, I was just hopping to put it off longer, and I'm having trouble with RegdelNull for some reason. I can't seem to direct it to my C drive. This is a brain fog day, I'm going to go google that issue or else call my personal tech support and feel like an idiot.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 March 10, 23:44:48
Have you tried Mini image+YASU combo?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 11, 04:13:10
Have you tried Mini image+YASU combo?

For Societies, yes. Daemon is completely blacklisted. I wasn't using Daemon for Freetime anymore, I was using a no-cd. I tried a no-cd for Societies as well, it never started, now Freetime is doing the same when previously, it was working fine.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 March 11, 08:12:59
What version is your daemon? Maybe you should try a newer version that isn't blacklisted by SecuROM.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 11, 13:22:34
ya real wonderful. I getting my next pc built from Micron (I live in Idaho) OK I tried the groups cache, still didn't work. Just get a gray box with a red X
Did you try the Wiki? http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?title=Game_Help:Game_Problem

You put your No-cd, here? C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime\TSBin ?
Where did you get your no-cd? You may want to try another, maybe the file is bad or the download went wrong.

I got the no cd crack from your siggy. I also tried the one from gamecopyworld. I get the same thing. My path looks like this C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2. Free Time is installed: D:\The Sims 2 Free Time. The short cut pointed to this particular folder, so I put the crack in D:\The Sims 2 Free Time\TS Bin. I get nothing. Honestly I think when I was following the steps to remove Securom I did something wrong. I followed it closely but I must have done something wonky to the registry because now I can't even uninstall/reinstall FT without my pc freezing. I am really regretting buying this game.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 11, 16:07:02
What version is your daemon? Maybe you should try a newer version that isn't blacklisted by SecuROM.

My Deamon is the newest. I had 4.0 went I started this. I have 4.12 now. Go read the deamon forums, I'm not the only one. One person had a way around it and that was to use 4.0, which is what I used in the first place that didn't work. Anyway, now my Freetime with a crack will not work, getting something to work with deamon is the least of my worries. Boyfriend decides he wants the computer last night so I didn't get a chance to try to remove securom to see if that works.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 12, 04:23:42
Good News! The no cd patch worked this time, I'm at a loss as to why, but it works now. Yay, now i'm just down to the problem of not being able to burn discs. I did notice an error saying something about calibration...I don't know how to go about fixing that.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 12, 05:59:55
Good News! The no cd patch worked this time, I'm at a loss as to why, but it works now. Yay, now i'm just down to the problem of not being able to burn discs. I did notice an error saying something about calibration...I don't know how to go about fixing that.

Calibration? I assume it means your cd drive. Sometimes lasers mess up a bit and loose the "sweet spot". I do not know how to reset them. Google is your friend. Another cause is just bad software, Nero will pull up a "Power Calibration" error some times, I don't know the cause, I don't burn discs like I used to. Google "Power Calibration Nero" and see what you get, you may find something useful.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 18, 02:29:22
I have the no cd patch now for FT. It loads properly, but it is so weird. The butterflies are boxes in the yard (you know when sims "catch" them) I am missing several Maxis objects. Some have a square in the buy catalog but say "no image". All of my BV seem to be affected by this. Also the seasons icons in the UI are just black boxes.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 18, 16:04:47
Reinstall the eps, that's not a no-cd problem, thats corrupt core files, and maybe a graphics issue.
Did you ever mark your seasons files (or any other eps core files) as read only?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 18, 16:25:06
no I never marked them read only. That stinks. Thanks again Mor, you are awesome. I was hoping to not have to reinstall but oh well.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 18, 18:33:16
Which no-cd did you use? The one in my sig is fine. A no-cd wouldn't cause those problems though. With a bad no-cd you generally get missing features like a missing build and buy mode. I would have said that it was possibly a  graphics card issue only, but you said there were missing maxis objects as well with the no-image icon. That sounds like some files had a problem on install or corrupted, with more then BV if it effects seasons stuff.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 March 18, 22:41:33
Ok FT will not uninstall. I need to do it manually but I don't know the registry entries. Anyone know? Thanks


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragonarts on 2008 March 19, 01:38:08
Yay! Thank you to all who helped with instructions and links in this thread. I am now Securom free. Eaxis has no one but themselves to blame for it either because all I really wanted to do was play from an image of my own disk instead of using the CD, and it wouldn't play nice. (Freetime) Now I'm using the no-crack because I couldn't get it to load from the image. It kept whining about the original disk needing to be in drive F, even though I installed the game from the image (virtual drive G)

So there, Securom. You're toast. By the way, I found the instructions at the beginning of the thread quite easy to follow.


Also, (quite off topic so you're welcome to poke me with sticks ;P) I read with interest the discussion of age and who remembers which dinosaur computers. Who remembers the Radio Shack 2k thingy? That was the first one I ever tried to use. It was concurrent with the first Apple computer, I believe. No one misses it. The first one I actually owned was a Commodore 64, which I poked around on. It didn't actually make me computer literate, unfortunately. I am NOT a programmer by nature. It was fun though.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dotty on 2008 March 28, 15:59:07
Hi! I just got BV (a bit late I know) today. I installed and patched it, and then remembered about the whole securom-thing. Ouch! I havn't actually started the game yet though, does that mean I'm still securom-free?

I thought I'd jump right to Zazazu's step 4, but I'm a complete no-cd noob and there are 3 versions to dl at the place where the link leads to. Is it the v1.10.0.130 I should go for?

(Oh, and I did a search before I asked, I just wasn't sure how up-to-date the info I got was, since it was mostly from back when BV came out.)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 March 28, 16:08:54
You are still securom free if you installed the game from an administrator account. For the crack, look for the game version. If you installed the latest patch, then yes the 1.10.0.130 is the right one.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dotty on 2008 March 28, 16:25:04
Yes, I just dl:ed the patch today. For future reference though, where do I find out what game version I have?

Well, I guess I'll try it out then, and see how it works... Thanks!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 March 28, 16:56:41
For future reference though, where do I find out what game version I have?


Turn on the testing cheats -- the version number will appear in the upper right corner, at least on the neighborhood screen (and maybe everywhere -- I don't really notice it anymore :) ).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2008 March 31, 23:01:38
Okay, so when they come out with the patches, what do you do to insert those? Do you temporarily remove the no cd patch, then put in the patch, then put the no cd patch back in?

I have bought the games. I just refused to allow any more securom in my pcs!  I also gave my pc guru a link to your site so he can figure out how to remove the stupid securom outta my machine!  LOL
Thanks for all your help in this! You folks ROCK!!!
hugs,
Skye


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 March 31, 23:02:56
Yes, remove the no-cd, patch and then find an updated no-cd for the updated game.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2008 March 31, 23:09:51
There is a patch for freetime on this site http://www.diesims2.de/files.list.asp?id=583  and on our ea site there is one for bon voyage here http://thesims2.ea.com/update/

Thank you for the help!!!
 ;D
Skye

Update: Uh....what if they don't have an update for the no cd crack yet? Do I just use the one I have already?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kyna on 2008 April 01, 02:30:27
If there isn't a NoCD crack for the patched version, then don't patch.  I didn't patch BV until half an hour before I installed FT, as I couldn't be bothered to download a crack for the patched version.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragonarts on 2008 April 02, 00:31:41
This is probably a stupid question so you are welcome to poke me with sticks as you like, but I still want an answer. When a no-CD crack for FT with the patch is released, will there be an announcement in this thread? Will there possibly also be a link?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 April 02, 09:04:45
Why don't you just bookmark gamecopyworld.com and check for yourself everyday? :P


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2008 April 05, 04:28:34
Surprise surprise, the bbs announced that the newest FT patch has some bugs in it, so they have pulled the patch. To be fixed and updated next week. Something about making clothing with the sewing machine and the skin.....wonderful. After I just got everything patched! I guess will have to uninstall and scoop up the former patch again. What a bummer! But now you all know the score!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 April 10, 02:49:30
No, you shouldn't have to re-install -- if the patch installed for you ok, just keep playing the game.  Just avoid having your sims make custom clothing on a sewing machine until they get the next version of the patch out.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jemina on 2008 April 12, 20:48:17
It's malware. I don't like rootkits on my computer so I removed it when I realized it had been installed on my system (to which I never agreed, another thing that makes me dislike it intensely).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Gus Smedstad on 2008 April 12, 20:57:24
The side effects of SecurRom can be pretty severe, such as preventing you from using you from using your CD/DVD burner for perfectly legitimate purposes.  It depends on your setup.

 - Gus


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ElfPuddle on 2008 April 13, 20:42:43
 ::) japinard, did you even skim the first part of this thread?  ::)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 April 17, 20:53:57
Patch and then use a patched no-cd for the latest ep, which would be FT.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: pamysue on 2008 April 19, 16:35:18
I usually don't install a SP until the next EP comes out, but I want to use the K&B stuff before the fall.  I d/l'd the no CD for K&B.  Put my original EXE for FT back in the Program Files where it belonged.  Installed K&B.

Unzipped what I d/l'd.  The 5.48Mb exe file is Sims2SP7.  What do I replace with this?

Replacing the exe in the FT folder does not seem to work and replacing the one in the K&B folder does not seem to work either.  Or am I just being punished for installing a SP before the next EP.  Dammit.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 April 19, 16:52:36
You should replace the file with the exact same file name. Sims2SP7.exe, which means it's K&B executable.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: pamysue on 2008 April 19, 17:00:57
You should replace the file with the exact same file name. Sims2SP7.exe, which means it's K&B executable.

OK, then do I start the game off of the original FT exe?  Or put in the no cd FT exe again?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 April 19, 17:10:57
Put the FT crack back in, otherwise you'll get infected by SecuRom


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: pamysue on 2008 April 19, 17:33:54
Excellent!  Thank you, crystalclear, for making that... well, crystal clear.   ;)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 April 19, 21:09:24
You didn't even need a no-cd for K&B as it never runs from it's exe you only needed to put the FT one back.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 April 19, 23:41:14
You didn't even need a no-cd for K&B as it never runs from it's exe you only needed to put the FT one back.

Oddly, I found I did need the bathroom crack, even though I was running from the FT crack. Maybe it checks something?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: FourCats on 2008 April 26, 03:18:39
You didn't even need a no-cd for K&B as it never runs from it's exe you only needed to put the FT one back.

Oddly, I found I did need the bathroom crack, even though I was running from the FT crack. Maybe it checks something?

I have torrent version of bathroom and freetime.  I am running from the ft crack.  I don't have the bathroom one unless it was already in the torrent.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 April 26, 03:20:50
I just reloaded my machine yesterday. I found I only needed the FT crack, didn't use the bathroom one at all. Maybe my machine was already going spazzy before.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SassyFrass on 2008 April 29, 05:27:57
Im confused as to whether I would need Daemon Lite or pro. I have never used it before so it seems very confusing to me. I have never used torrents before either, but I am having real bad luck with me discs not running ehem. Anywho trying to get K&B stuff, but maybe i'm too dumb to figure it out lol.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 April 30, 16:44:38
Im confused as to whether I would need Daemon Lite or pro. I have never used it before so it seems very confusing to me. I have never used torrents before either, but I am having real bad luck with me discs not running ehem. Anywho trying to get K&B stuff, but maybe i'm too dumb to figure it out lol.
If all you want to do is run a virtual copy of the game, then all you need is the lite version, pro does more then what you need, and considering that you seem to be just starting out, probably beyond you at the moment.

If your discs aren't working, when they probably should, go back to the first page of this thread and the first couple of pages, and check the instructions to know what to look for in regards to traces of securom.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: pieridae on 2008 May 01, 15:57:49
hi all!  thanks for the thread.  I just got bon Voyage and just heard about this SecureRom thing.  Grrr.

 I was reading at the Tom's hardware link that the offending game should be uninstalled before attempting to remove securom, but here some say no, you don't have to uninstall.  Can someone who REALLY understands computers please tell me which it is?



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 May 01, 16:16:24
hi all!  thanks for the thread.  I just got bon Voyage and just heard about this SecureRom thing.  Grrr.

 I was reading at the Tom's hardware link that the offending game should be uninstalled before attempting to remove securom, but here some say no, you don't have to uninstall.  Can someone who REALLY understands computers please tell me which it is?

I suspect that Tom's hardware is suggesting that the "offending" game should be uninstalled, because removing securom with the game still installed would result in securom being reinstalled the next time you played your game using the game disks.

The method for securom removal described by Zazazu on the first page of this thread DOES NOT require removal of the game.  Do not uninstall the game first.  Follow the steps as per the tutorial in this thread.  Get a no-cd crack for your latest EP (you only need a no-cd crack for the latest one).  Follow the steps for installing.  Running from the no-cd crack has the benefit of 1) making it so you never have to insert you disks before playing again; and 2) not reinstalling securom.

To recap:  For the method for securom removal described in this thread, Tom's hardware is wrong.  Do not uninstall your game first.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ElfPuddle on 2008 May 01, 16:19:34
...because if you do, and then install the game, you'll get SecuRom again. Which would suck.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 May 01, 16:22:45
To recap:  For the method for securom removal described in this thread, Tom's hardware is wrong.  Do not uninstall your game first.
That's why I started quoting from Step 2. The Tom's Hardware link was bibliographic. Only uninstall game if you don't want it anymore.
...because if you do, and then install the game, you'll get SecuRom again. Which would suck.
Not usually. If you are on an administrator account and put the crack in before running the game, SecuROM doesn't trigger as it would only trigger from the default executable. But if you aren't on an administrator account, yeah.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 May 01, 16:32:10
If you are on an administrator account and put the crack in before running the game, SecuROM doesn't trigger as it would only trigger from the default executable. But if you aren't on an administrator account, yeah.

I suspect this scenario does not apply to pieridae's situation.  Sounds like she's been running the game already, and so likely has securom on her system, administrator account or not.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: pieridae on 2008 May 01, 17:26:55
thank you jolrei and zazazu.  that's what i was thinking too, but y'all clearly know more about this stuff than i do, so it's nice to have the reassurance before i begin. 

pieridae


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 May 01, 21:59:24
* witch gives peridot a present

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/nz_witch/shiftkey_small.jpg)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 May 02, 15:45:44
It sounds a bit much for it to be Securom related, you said you removed signed of securom? If you did and they are still gone it is certainly not the problem. Have you run any programs like Adaware lately? Have you turned off things in your processes that are un-needed? Checked your fire wall logs for things that aren't supposed to be trying to connect?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 May 02, 15:58:46
I'd recommend the next step and going to someplace like http://www.geekstogo.com/. In their forums, they provide great support for removing tricky malware. They helped me with Vundo ages ago, as well as to track down a weird error I was getting a few months ago due to a faulty patch automatically applied to a program I don't even use. Your issues don't sound at all like SecuROM.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 May 03, 02:44:15
It's possible that you have securom too, as your inability to burn cds and your drive being unrecognizable do indeed sound like it.
Does the burner show up in My computer? Or whatever it's equivalent is for whatever OS you are using. Have you restarted your PC and gone into the BIOS to ensure that it is enabled there?

For future installs, the database  here (http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/gamedb.php) is useful to check, for Securom or the ever evil Starforce, before you install.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: VioletKitty on 2008 May 04, 17:40:33
Hi, thank you so much for this post.

Back in October, SecuROM immobilized my machine.  It would read only selected DVDs and CDs (the DVDrw was 6 months old at the time).  Just a bit of background, I didn't realize that "Insert the correct CD" was a SecuROM thing at the time.  I thought, into every simmer's life an uninstall/reinstall must fall.  I don't complain about those, I just do it now and then.  When my game starts running slowly, I've found that cleans it up.  That was the worst idea ever, because I could reinstall the base game, but none of the EPs and this meant I couldn't do much about it working with EA (grrrr)...  I ran a CureSecuROM file, and still nothing.

I tried everything I could think of and finally replaced my harddrive (it was something I was considering doing before the crap started anyway, so no big deal).  Well, it appears that SecuROM actually physically affected the DVDrw as the same CDs it would read before it read and likewise the ones it wouldn't it didn't read.  So I replaced my non-functioning DVDr that I had (yes, I had a DVDrw and a DVDr) with a new one.  My DVDr was 5 years old and needing replacing.  I do not blame SecuROM for that, but I do blame it for the DVDrw failure.  I installed up to Seasons like a dream!

Lilke a Good Simmer, I saved all my games before installing BV and I had saved them on an external drive before the hard-drive replacement, so I'm back to where I was before all this started.  I'm a mostly happy Simmer.  I am ready to install BV (and other SecuROM infested software) but before I do I have a couple questions:

1)  Will I need to add this cure (I've downloaded the newest link) to the TSBin of all the SPs that are infested or will just the TSBin of BV be enough?
2)  Similarly, should I rename all the exe's of the SPs to bak's?
3)  Can I add this to my Seasons TSBin and rename it to bak before installing BV so it's erradicated from the beginning?
4)  I'm awaiting FreeTime, will this be addressed for that as well?

Final note, I know you can't answer this but commiserate with me...what the heck was EA thinking?!?!?!

VK :-)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 May 04, 18:06:27
Violetkitty, I think you may be reading too far into what needs to be done in order to keep securom at bay in the first place. If it is not on your pc already it is as simple as using a no-cd crack.
Install your ep on an admin account only. Rename the exe in your latest EP's Tsbin folder. Drop in a no-cd crack. You do not need one in any other then the ep that you run from. When you install FT the process will be the same.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: VioletKitty on 2008 May 04, 18:28:05
I guess I wasn't clear about what I was asking, which was is there a way to stop it before installing.  If the only thing I can do is install and then put in the cure immediately, am I still at risk?  I'm extremely gunshy about this malware because it has literally taken me 6 months to erradicate it from my machine and it seriously disabled my machine.  ad

I've already downloaded the no-cd fixes for all EPs and SPs.  I know I don't need them for Seasons and before, but I have them just in case.  The Seasons fix was broken anyway as was the Teen Style Stuff.  However, wouldn't I need to add the fix in for any SP following BV because those are now the run disks?  (or at least the one that is the run disk?)  I have Kitchens and Baths so that should be the run disk.

Thanks for all your help :-)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 May 04, 19:01:15
Securom infests your machine the first time you run the non-cracked .exe.
So installing BV and FT will not install Securom.
Before you start it up, go get that BV crack and back up the Securom infested .exe. Make sure you do this on an Administrator account.

By the way, I've played for years *and never uninstalled and reinstalled ANYTHING.*
I'm either lucky, asinine, or extra careful. Or all of the above.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: VioletKitty on 2008 May 04, 19:25:18
Ah, gotcha, thanks :-)

As for the uninstall/reinstall, you're likely to actually notice an improvement if you do.  The game starts slowing down but it's imperceptible because you get used to waiting a little longer for lots to load, etc.  Not like to a standstill, just slower load times, etc.  I'm OCD about a clean system :-D At the time that I purchased this machine it was top of the line (purchased with TS2 in mind), but it's 5 years old almost.  My goal is to make it last for 2 more years.  Sadly, I hate Vista, and XP will no longer be supported after 2009.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 May 04, 19:36:12
Well, I have 5 gigs of *compressed* downloads (20,000 packages), and 3,000 packages in my Saved Sims folder, and it's 15 minutes from start to lot. Now, I wonder how long it would take me to uninstall all of those stuffit packs and expansion packs... probably not worth the time.

Glad to help, anyway. Use Ubuntu.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: VioletKitty on 2008 May 04, 23:03:08
LOL, you're prolly right about it not being worth the time.

[sigh] I just installed everything to the T...and the bak file shortcut would not start the game.  I found a reg system that was supposed to help, so I added it and that didn't help.  In fact after I cleaned the system, I couldn't uninstall BV so I had to restore.  After all that, I unintalled what I tried to install today (BV, H&M, Teen, Ki&B).  Then I had to of course put back my saved games.  I wonder if I'll EVER be able to play these! 

I have a good contact at EA but I don't wanna be her whining board.  Ack...and I won't whine here either!  I'll just figure something out...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 May 04, 23:21:57
No, no, no! You don't run the game from the backed up .exe! It's just there for when you need to patch your game, so the checksum comes out right. Run your game from a no-cd cracked Bon Voyage .exe!

Get one here (http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2bonvoyage.shtml)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: VioletKitty on 2008 May 04, 23:52:26
Okay, I'm missing something then...grrr...since I'm working with a fresh install, I only had to follow the 4th step:

4. To not get it again, you need to start loading from a no-CD crack. I recommend the Fairlight version from http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2bonvoyage.shtml. There is now a version for the patched game available as well. Go to "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 Bon Voyage\TSBin" and change the name of the current Sims2EP6.exe to Sims2EP6.bak. Then place the crack in the same folder. Make a shortcut to this on your desktop, and run the game from this new shortcut.

So I got the no-cd cracks and placed in the folder...Oh I think I just figured out what I did wrong.  I was supposed to rename the Sims2EP6.exe to Sims2EP6.bak (after I saved the .exe to another file) but I made a shortcut to the .bak, I was supposed to shortcut the added crack? 

Thank you for your patience and help.  I'm sorry I'm such a bother...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 May 04, 23:59:03
4. To not get it again, you need to start loading from a no-CD crack. I recommend the Fairlight version from http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2bonvoyage.shtml. There is now a version for the patched game available as well. Go to "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 Bon Voyage\TSBin" and change the name of the current Sims2EP6.exe to Sims2EP6.bak. Then place the crack in the same folder. Make a shortcut to the cracked .exe on your desktop, and run the game from this new shortcut.

Yes, the shortcut you make is to the cracked .exe. The .bak is there in case you need to patch the game in the future.
If you've done that, then you can play-- finally! <whew>


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 May 05, 00:00:38
Oh I think I just figured out what I did wrong.  I was supposed to rename the Sims2EP6.exe to Sims2EP6.bak (after I saved the .exe to another file) but I made a shortcut to the .bak, I was supposed to shortcut the added crack? 

Yes.

Back up the original Sims2EPx.exe (rename it "sims2EPx-exe.bak" or something else you will recognize) in case you need it again (i.e. when you load a new EP).

Install your no-cd crack - make sure it is named sims2EPx.exe  ("x" should be the number of your latest EP.  For example, if your latest EP is Freetime, it would be named Sims2EP7.exe)

Your shortcut should point to the no-cd crack file.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 May 10, 01:06:38
A better approach is to rename the crack rather than the main executable, and just repoint your shortcut to the cracked EXE, like I do. Then the original EXE remains in place and unrenamed.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 May 10, 07:51:20
So the game executable doesn't need to be the specific name, eg simsep7.exe or whatever?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 May 10, 18:08:29
So the game executable doesn't need to be the specific name, eg simsep7.exe or whatever?

No, that makes sense.  The filename of the .exe is simply an identifier.  It does not affect the functionality of the file.  You could name it "FTno-cd.exe" and it would still work, provided that your shortcut pointed to that instead of the "Sims2EP7.exe" file.

This would also make it simple for patching and loading new EPs, as you would not have to remember to rename your original ".exe" file for that.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 May 11, 18:43:49
And Pescado proves that he's smarter than us once again. Brat.  ;)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: talysman on 2008 May 11, 23:36:42
Of course he's smarter. The directions say to rename or move the original EXE because the directions are written for *dumb* people. People who would start the game from a shortcut that still pointed to the original, SecureROM-infected, EXE. Renaming the original EXE or moving it out of the folder and moving in the NoCD crack, keeping it the same name as the original EXE, is a safe-guard against stupidity.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 May 11, 23:52:25
I always renamed them so that I can actually remember to get another. You would think that this would be simple enough, alas, not for me.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: AnnaM on 2008 May 19, 08:05:21
Is this Securom thing a US concern only? I have all the EPs to Free Time installed (and none of the SPs), and I don't appear to have a Securom directory under Application data or the Securom files in the Windows\System32 directory. My games were bought in shops in Ireland. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Securom only applied in some countries.

Is this true? If so, would it be a good idea to explain it in the top post in this thread?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jemina on 2008 May 19, 11:27:23
It's definitely not a US problem, I had the thing from the German version of BV and FT. You can't normally see the Securom folders as they're hidden, you have to make them visible.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 May 19, 18:51:15
There are a random few countries that do not have them because Securom would be illegal there. There are however many many more countries where it hasn't been covered. Make all of your folders visible and look for the securom files, you will not see them otherwise.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: AnnaM on 2008 May 20, 07:47:44
My folders are all visible -- unless there is some arcane way of making folders visible beyond checking the "show hidden files" setting in Windows...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: AnnaM on 2008 May 20, 08:21:33
Curiouser and curiouser... I do have 2 Securom keys in the registry.

But I definitely do not have the Securom folder or the Securom files. I even searched the whole disk for them (with option to find hidden files/folder checked). Also no services running (which makes sense, since there are no files for them to run from...)

Also, why does this forum not let me edit my posts? I click the icon, edit the post, press the button, all seems well except my post isn't edited. Happened many times before, too, not just a fluke.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 May 20, 11:10:57
My folders are all visible -- unless there is some arcane way of making folders visible beyond checking the "show hidden files" setting in Windows...

Sometimes you also need to uncheck 'Hide protected operating system files'.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 May 20, 14:25:48
Also, why does this forum not let me edit my posts? I click the icon, edit the post, press the button, all seems well except my post isn't edited. Happened many times before, too, not just a fluke.

The icon is bugged (has been for a while) -- you have to use the 'Modify' button at the top of the post to edit it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 May 20, 14:44:40
That edit button is a LIE! Click the word "modify" and all will be well.

Also, go ahead and get rid of those Securom registry entries following instructions at the beginning of the thread. Burninate them just because you can-- and it's better to be safe than sorry.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jemina on 2008 May 25, 08:49:19
I followed the removal instructions a while ago and re-tried. I can use my burner again, so that's an improvement, but every time I use that drive (for reading as well as for writing) my computer almost freezes. And the drive is slllloowww.... (max. read at 6 times when it used to handle 30 x).
I'm pretty sure it's still related to SecuRom because it used to work properly before that pest came onto my computer. Any ideas what else I could do? I can't find any of the files on my hard drives but something seems to be there after all. :(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 May 25, 09:40:26
Maybe try to reinstall the driver?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 May 30, 12:42:13
As long as you don't run the game from the "official" .exe, you shouldn't get SecuRom on your machine.  So don't install the new patch until a new no-cd.exe is available.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: toad on 2008 May 31, 08:23:52
I followed all the steps at the beginning of the thread, but I'm stuck on this one:
Step 4: Removal of Securom files under "C:\Documents and Settings". I've unhidden hidden files, and I've unchecked 'Hide protected operating system files', but I still can't see a Securom folder.  I've successfully completed the preceding steps.  Does that mean that Securom is gone, or have I just not been able to find it?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jimbo on 2008 June 02, 22:55:57
I tried the new "no cd" crack and it doesn't work. I still get emulation detected. I replaced the exe. Do I have to do all that regedit things to get the no cd to work? The crack I got is found on gcw. But does not fix my problem after I installed the patch. Thought it removes the securom and lets me play but samething "emulation detected". I dont have anything like that besides nero and I removed it to check and samething. Any help please because I want to play freetime. The patch fixes some problems I have.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lauriej on 2008 June 03, 00:50:05
I tried the new "no cd" crack and it doesn't work. I still get emulation detected. I replaced the exe. Do I have to do all that regedit things to get the no cd to work? The crack I got is found on gcw. But does not fix my problem after I installed the patch. Thought it removes the securom and lets me play but samething "emulation detected". I dont have anything like that besides nero and I removed it to check and samething. Any help please because I want to play freetime. The patch fixes some problems I have.

you need to wait until they create a new no cd crack the one posted is for the last patch.  new version should be 1.2


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lullabelle on 2008 June 03, 05:01:25
 I followed the removal directions for SecuROM, and I can't seem to find any traces of Securom, anywhere. I'm sure I have it, but it's not showing itself to me. I even tried downloading a program to detect rootkits or something of that nature, the program wouldn't even run(maybe I did it wrong?) I've been searching online for 1 1/2 months, trying to find a way to play my Sims2FreeTime, but nothing seems to work. The weird thing is, it used to before any of the patches game out. I mean sure it had a few bugs, but nothing unlivable. Now my game crashes literally two minutes after I load any house! I t just says "This Application has crashed. The program will now terminate" I deleted all my CC, tried uninstalling and re-installing the game, tried both pacthes(old and new), I tried without patches, nothing works. My computer was just recently re-formatted(a week before loading Sims2) I thought that might get rid of SecuROM, but I don't know I did install the latest patch but my game crashed instantly after neighborhood pan around, so I unstalled all my EPs and SPs again. And now I'm trying to locate the new SecuROM that came with the patch, and FreeTimeEP. But It doesn't show up, when I followed the "REMOVE SECOROM" directions.??  Can anyone help??   
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Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lullabelle on 2008 June 03, 05:58:57
I followed all the steps at the beginning of the thread, but I'm stuck on this one:
Step 4: Removal of Securom files under "C:\Documents and Settings". I've unhidden hidden files, and I've unchecked 'Hide protected operating system files', but I still can't see a Securom folder.  I've successfully completed the preceding steps.  Does that mean that Securom is gone, or have I just not been able to find it?


I don't even know how to get to my hidden files, so "c:\Documents and Settings" says access denied.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ElfPuddle on 2008 June 03, 13:29:40
Am I correct in reading that you're playing with the newest FreeTime patch? Unless you have the no-cd crack for it, that just might be your issue.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tchan on 2008 June 03, 13:43:06
I've followed the instructions as well and it can't find a thing. I know I have SecuROM because I've got FT (even though I haven't installed either patch) and I've noticed it killing my programmes one-by-one (starting with Norton Antivirus, which is now dead as a doornail, and Nero is surely the next to go), but there's not a sign of it on the computer. I ran through cmd and it can't find any null keys at all, nor can I find a \Securom folder in Application Data (or, indeed, anywhere). This is really taxing! Any ideas?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 June 03, 13:54:56
To those not finding a trace of it, did you install FT while on the Admin account or on a secondary account? Aren't the files on the non-admin accounts labeled differently? It's somewhere within the first few pages of this thread. Can't look right now.
As for emulation software detected, that is a securom problem. If you installed the second patch, well good luck with that. You need an updated no-cd for it and we don't have one yet. Sim city societies gave me the same hell with the third patch. I had to uninstall then remove securom ...again. If that is just with installing FT and maybe the first patch, then you need to put in the no-cd and then remove securom from your pc.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tchan on 2008 June 03, 14:02:23
Admin account, I believe. It's the main one.
I went searching for the SecuROM folder in all my accounts. No cigar yet.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 June 03, 16:04:22
Admin account, I believe. It's the main one.
I went searching for the SecuROM folder in all my accounts. No cigar yet.

I believe that if you install the "infected" EPs on an Admin account, you often do not get a securom folder - I did not.  I only got the registry entries when I installed BV, for example.

If you can't find the Securom folders, but have removed the registry entries and followed all the steps, and then run from the proper no-cd, I would think your system is clean.

Mind you, if you have other games that have securom and you play them from the disks or original .exe files, you will keep reinstalling it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2008 June 03, 16:27:14
I believe that if you install the "infected" EPs on an Admin account, you often do not get a securom folder - I did not.  I only got the registry entries when I installed BV, for example.

Agreed, it was the same way for me when I installed BV patch the first time.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tchan on 2008 June 03, 20:05:44
I couldn't find the registry entries! I followed all the steps and it came up with nothing; no null registry keys and no sign of SecuROM anywhere, even though I KNOW I have it.

But at least that explains why there's no folder. Thank you. I did wonder.

(But it isn't getting rid of SecuROM. ;))


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 June 03, 21:05:52
Is it just possible that your system has some other difficulty.  If there are no securom entries in registry, and no folder, the likelihood is that there is no securom.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 June 03, 22:59:46
Are you all using the original .exe? If not, a malware/spyware program might have rooted them out for you-- that's all I can think. Bizarre  ???


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 June 04, 00:03:21
Securom is well known malware now. I wouldn't be surprised if some programs have defined it as such.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lullabelle on 2008 June 04, 08:28:47
To those not finding a trace of it, did you install FT while on the Admin account or on a secondary account? Aren't the files on the non-admin accounts labeled differently? It's somewhere within the first few pages of this thread. Can't look right now.
As for emulation software detected, that is a securom problem. If you installed the second patch, well good luck with that. You need an updated no-cd for it and we don't have one yet. Sim city societies gave me the same hell with the third patch. I had to uninstall then remove securom ...again. If that is just with installing FT and maybe the first patch, then you need to put in the no-cd and then remove securom from your pc.

I only have one account It's the admin account.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lullabelle on 2008 June 04, 08:34:51
Are you all using the original .exe? If not, a malware/spyware program might have rooted them out for you-- that's all I can think. Bizarre  ???

I used the original .exe and had the new patch installed, and I still couldn't find any traces of securom anywhere. I know I have it I have all eps and sps installed and the latest patch installed . . .er did I took them all off . But I couldn't find any traces of Securom. I have followed every direction for locating it, but I doesn't show up anywhere. Anyone have any suggestions?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 June 04, 09:50:03
I've just reformated my machine and I'm still searching for an anti-virus that suits. I thought I'd found it with Clamwin, because it only comes when called, but as it totally failed to update itself successfully in a fortnight, I've gone looking for others. I'm currently trying Bitdefender and AntiVir. Both of these tools enable me to search for rootkits, which is new to me in an antivirus program. I don't know whether they would work on SecROM, but both of them thought I was rootkit free.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 June 04, 13:55:21
I used the original .exe and had the new patch installed, and I still couldn't find any traces of securom anywhere. I know I have it I have all eps and sps installed and the latest patch installed . . .er did I took them all off . But I couldn't find any traces of Securom. I have followed every direction for locating it, but I doesn't show up anywhere. Anyone have any suggestions?

If you play the game with your modem disconnected, and if you load onto an adminstrator account, you will likely not get a securom folder on your drive.  If you do not have the securom keys in the registry, you may have followed the steps for removal correctly and they may simply be gone.  If you can't find it, it may not be there.  Load from a no-cd crack in any case to avoid getting it back.  Has the added benefit of not wearing out your disks.

And please do not double post.  Use the "modify" button to add to previous post.  Double posting is bad, m'kay?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tchan on 2008 June 04, 15:05:07
Is it just possible that your system has some other difficulty.  If there are no securom entries in registry, and no folder, the likelihood is that there is no securom.
Are you all using the original .exe? If not, a malware/spyware program might have rooted them out for you-- that's all I can think. Bizarre  ???

I'm using the original .exe and I don't have a malware/spyware program; only Norton Antivirus & Internet Security, which SOMETHING has killed, so that's not finding any bugs or spyware. I'm trying to use my internet as little as possible on the computer because of this. (I'm on my laptop now.)
Is it really possible to not have SecuROM on my PC (I bought Bon Voyage and FreeTime, and ARRed TSS), but to have contracted some sort of bug that killed Norton? If I haven't got SecuROM, excellent. I mean, I don't have to get rid of it if I don't have it.
(But that doesn't change the fact that something killed my PAID antivirus program, and is letting in lots of horrors, mostly "benign" tracker cookies. I rarely use my internet on the PC; only to download CC and songs through Limewire, which has never once given my a virus.)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: IAmTheRad on 2008 June 05, 00:10:05
Ehh, I'm using the 1.1 nocd crack with patch #2.

It's a temporary workaround until patch 2 is nocd'd


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tchan on 2008 June 05, 11:56:40
So that im not SO confused about everything. Is secuRom only from BV or any EP or SP after that? Im hearing all this stuff about it being on teen style stuff and pets and all this stuff. I've had that on my comp for a while but the only time i experienced installation issues was when i tried to install kitchen and bath. after that i couldnt install anything else. I tried uninstalling things and reinstalling not knowing the situation and now NOTHING works. Help.

It's not on Pets or Seasons. It's only from BV onwards, including stuff packs. TSS, K&B and H&MS all have it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lauriej on 2008 June 05, 14:09:58
Ehh, I'm using the 1.1 nocd crack with patch #2.

It's a temporary workaround until patch 2 is nocd'd

do you notice if the patch actually fixed anything?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 June 05, 14:44:01
Ehh, I'm using the 1.1 nocd crack with patch #2.

It's a temporary workaround until patch 2 is nocd'd

do you notice if the patch actually fixed anything?

Why yes, it did, including the worst problems with Freetime. This is currently the set-up that I (and many others) are using. You can still get it here. (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/patch/) Remember to download the corresponding 1.1 NO-CD crack.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 June 05, 15:33:19
The explination that was first given is probably very helpful. But seeing as how i have no idea what its talking about its of no help to me. I dont mean to sound dumb but i have no idea how to access my registry, i dont even know what a DOS is. I've never had a need to know any of these things before. If there is anyone that can help me and walk me through this to get my sims up and running again i'd really appreciate it.

Let me start by saying that I am not trying to be mean or unhelpful here, but I will be straightforward and perhaps somewhat blunt.  The explanation given in this thread is, in fact, helpful.  However, it presupposes that you have to know some basic things about your computer and how it runs.  It seems you do not know these things.  DOS, for example, is an older operating system, parts of which are still incorporated into current operating systems (i.e. XP).  It also means you need to know a basic bit about how command lines in DOS work and how to use them.  This appears to be tricky for you.  I would suggest you learn a bit about DOS before trying the steps in the first posts of the thread.  The first posts of the thread are quite detailed and if you follow them exactly they should work for you.  If you mess it up, and bork your registry, you could damage your computer's operation.  For this reason, I would suggest that you might just want to leave securom removal for now, or have a friend who knows more about computers help you out on this.

I tried uninstalling things and reinstalling not knowing the situation and now NOTHING works. Help.

Unfortunately, your system may not be completely clear of old versions of the game or perhaps some old registry entries, which could be why you can't reinstall.  You might want to search for "manually uninstalling game" or other such keywords, to find a tutorial on how to get rid of any residual stuff.  Then install your game again.  Again, since some of this might involve some more technical steps, you may want to have a computer savvy friend help you with this.

We can probably not provide you with more help than this at present, since you have not really told us exactly what problems your game was/is having - you say nothing works and imply you tried to uninstall.  You need to get your game reinstalled cleanly.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 June 05, 20:02:36
I would also suggest finding a friend or relative that knows a bit more about PCs then you are displaying. Those directions at the beginning of the thread is the exact walk through needed and tells you every step. Without basic knowledge on the more technical bits of your pc, you could easily mess something up poking around in your registry. Where as it is possible to back up the registry for use if you mess up, it is not recommended that you depend upon this because it is possible the muck up the registry so badly that you can not get the pc to open up to a point where you can use the back up.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lauriej on 2008 June 05, 22:21:28
Why yes, it did, including the worst problems with Freetime. This is currently the set-up that I (and many others) are using. You can still get it here. (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/patch/) Remember to download the corresponding 1.1 NO-CD crack.
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so you are using the old patch not the one that was just released may 22nd?  the version 1.1 no cd was made for that patch, and is the one i am currently using with the older patch.  i am waiting for the no cd crack for the patch released may 22nd


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tchan on 2008 June 06, 12:57:05
I wonder if I truly don't have SecuROM.
I bought both of the games online from Amazon.co.uk. I wonder if they don't sell games that come with SecuROM? Because we've fixed my Norton and I still can't find SecuROM, which makes me think maybe you're right and I really don't have it.
I think I should be pleased...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 June 06, 20:09:56
I guess I was a little hasty saying that SecuROM wasn't on my system. There I was cruising along waiting for the Sims 2 to load (no-cd crack mind you) and it froze. Not a big deal, I say to myself, I will just turn it off then re-start. Yeah it wouldn't re-start. I did a scan and found out that my ID hard drive is fried. I think, ok, get the data off then reformat (Dell said they would bring me a new hard drive on Monday. I try to load from the disk and end up finding out that my disk drive is also fucked. SecuROM? Who knows. All I know is one minute my computer seemed fine and the next two drives were fucked beyond repair.

 :'( This is really lame. I don't know what happened, but it could be that your power supply fried your drives. I would do some research and see if this is the case. But then again, it could be SecuRom-- I've learned not to say never.  :(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 June 07, 02:48:50
Thank you! That worked pretty smoothly.  Will it work for the newest version of SecuROM?\
If I install the Free Time patch, will the same steps remove SecuROM from my system again?

Sure! But you'll get it again-- EVERY TIME YOU PLAY. That's why such an emphasis is placed on a No-CD crack.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 June 07, 05:41:54
Go ahead. Install that latest patch. Knock yourself out.


Might I mention that every other post in this thread has been complaining about the lack of a new No-CD crack for said patch?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 June 07, 17:42:57
Might I mention that every other post in this thread has been complaining about the lack of a new No-CD crack for said patch?
Of course you can. It will save me the trouble of reading a 25-page thread.

Not 25 pages, just the last 3, not even, if you would have looked even a few posts before yours you would have seen people commenting about the lack of a no-cd for the new patch. Personally, I would have at least looked to see what the current topic was.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lullabelle on 2008 June 08, 02:45:07
Hey guys, I gotta question?
If I completely reformat my computer, will that remove SecuROM?
Because I reformatted my HP  back to it's original state, from the backup of vista home premium on my D drive. :-\ ???


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 June 08, 02:46:09
If you're formatting an HP back to its ORIGINAL state, you have far bigger spyware issues than SecuROM to deal with. Reformat CLEAN, destroying all previous state, WITHOUT using anything HP provided.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 June 08, 02:52:27
Dear, your PC in it's shipped state is filled with so much useless crap and programs that it's not even funny, or maybe it is funny, for the ones with the pointy sticks, but you certainly shouldn't find it funny.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lullabelle on 2008 June 08, 03:05:54
If you're formatting an HP back to its ORIGINAL state, you have far bigger spyware issues than SecuROM to deal with. Reformat CLEAN, destroying all previous state, WITHOUT using anything HP provided.

I had everything removed from it. all the "useless crap" as you say. it has just vista home premium, and windows media player, word, my computer, etc. but that's it I found no trace of SecuROM anywhere. so Is it safe to reinstall my sims2 games?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tsarina on 2008 June 08, 13:04:58
Okay, I have tried everything said in this thread, but I can't find SecuRom. Is there a remote chance that I have never had it? Someone mentioned that SecuRom wasn't on all versions of the game. Does anyone have a list of the versions that didn't have SecuRom?
I case I means anything, I use Vista.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 June 08, 13:13:02
All the games that released after April 2007 has SecuROM (H&M and newer)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ElfPuddle on 2008 June 08, 16:14:12
so Is it safe to reinstall my sims2 games?


Sure. And installing anything newer than Seasons will put SecuRom on your computer.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tsarina on 2008 June 08, 18:34:18
I was referring to this post:

There are a random few countries that do not have them because Securom would be illegal there. There are however many many more countries where it hasn't been covered. Make all of your folders visible and look for the securom files, you will not see them otherwise.

I wondered if anybody knew exactly in which countries SecuRom was not included in the game's .exe.
It could of course also be that I fail at finding hidden malware on my computer.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tchan on 2008 June 08, 19:53:49
Well, Tsarina, I don't appear to have it and I have BV & FT (ordered from Amazon Jersey), so I'd say that it's a possibility that buying anything from Amazon Jersey means you don't get SecuROM.
Shame you don't live in Jersey. XD


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tsarina on 2008 June 08, 19:57:45
Thank you. I will go and look for it again, and if I can't find it, I guess I don't have it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: PlayBoyRobbie on 2008 June 08, 21:57:59
Simprograms has posted a tool to remove everything SecuROM installs which came from SecuROM them self.
Its here towards the middle of the page-
http://www.simprograms.com/?page_id=39


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: xoferew on 2008 June 08, 22:04:03
I am guessing that if I buy a recently reprinted older ep such as uni, there may well be securom on it?  I suppose there's no way to tell from looking at the box.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: PlayBoyRobbie on 2008 June 08, 22:11:59
I am guessing that if I buy a recently reprinted older ep such as uni, there may well be securom on it?  I suppose there's no way to tell from looking at the box.
Thats a good question I wouldnt be surpsied if it did have it, and no were on the box does it tell you if it would be in there.
The game manuals dont even tell you its going to be installed


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 June 09, 12:41:57
Simprograms has posted a tool to remove everything SecuROM installs which came from SecuROM them self.
Its here towards the middle of the page-
http://www.simprograms.com/?page_id=39
I wonder if it's the same thing as the one Sam posted back then. ???


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sirnh on 2008 June 09, 14:08:38
Simprograms has posted a tool to remove everything SecuROM installs which came from SecuROM them self.
Its here towards the middle of the page-
http://www.simprograms.com/?page_id=39
I wonder if it's the same thing as the one Sam posted back then. ???

I don't think so since The above link has 1 remove tool to do all the work. EAgames has a tool for each single sims2 EP/SP...
(see: http://thesims2.ea.com/help/detail.php?help_id=341 (http://thesims2.ea.com/help/detail.php?help_id=341))
I Don't know what the difference could be, though....

EDIT: Am I blind or Is freetime not in that list?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 June 09, 15:02:13
Am I missing something or is taking longer than usual for a FixedEXE to appear fot the newly patched Freetime?

Not really "longer than usual', I don't think.  I remember one of the earlier no-cd.exes took a while to come out after the patch (I think it was the first BV patch) -- maybe 2-3 weeks.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Carrigon on 2008 June 09, 23:16:42
Simprograms has posted a tool to remove everything SecuROM installs which came from SecuROM them self.
Its here towards the middle of the page-
http://www.simprograms.com/?page_id=39

I tried this thing and it ate my soundcard's controls.  I ended up doing a System Restore because I didn't trust what else it ate.  It doesn't give a log of what it does.  If you use it, make sure you have a good System Restore in place first.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: saraswati on 2008 June 12, 10:15:06
I am guessing that if I buy a recently reprinted older ep such as uni, there may well be securom on it?  I suppose there's no way to tell from looking at the box.
Thats a good question I wouldnt be surpsied if it did have it, and no were on the box does it tell you if it would be in there.
The game manuals dont even tell you its going to be installed

This is a question we're trying to work out over at SAS at the moment, so if someone gets a definite answer, let me know...  However we reached the same conclusion because EA's own information says that they're using Securom for their copy protection and doesn't specify just new games, the conclusion we've reached is that if it's a newly printed game, it likely has Securom on it regardless of which Sims game it is.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tIIsuggas on 2008 June 12, 13:12:05
This is a question we're trying to work out over at SAS at the moment, so if someone gets a definite answer, let me know...  However we reached the same conclusion because EA's own information says that they're using Securom for their copy protection and doesn't specify just new games, the conclusion we've reached is that if it's a newly printed game, it likely has Securom on it regardless of which Sims game it is.

To add to this:

I have all EPs', SPs' up to an including FreeTime.
I have just replaced my base CD version with a DVD version, as disk two was scratched and wouldn't install.
I have just won a copy of Pets EP over at the official UK site.

My original base game and original Pets don't contain SecuROM.

My new base and Pets have the words 'Sony DADC' (very small printing) printed on the inner circle on the shiny side of the disks.  It's also printed on my Seasons disk.

Sony DADC are the makers of SecuROM and I can't see Sony implementing a competitors copy protection.  This is just my thought though.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: bowrain on 2008 June 12, 14:43:23
I guess that confirms the suspicion, then :P


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Tchan on 2008 June 12, 18:41:11
My new base and Pets have the words 'Sony DADC' (very small printing) printed on the inner circle on the shiny side of the disks.  It's also printed on my Seasons disk.

Sony DADC are the makers of SecuROM and I can't see Sony implementing a competitors copy protection.  This is just my thought though.

My disks say that, too, and I most definitely do not have SecuROM on my PC. Thank you for saying this, though; I'd never have thought to check there.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: saraswati on 2008 June 12, 20:51:13
Ok, this is the totally innocent, learning on my feet question.. Wouldn't your pc only contain Securom regardless of what you have installed IF you had tried to run your game without the nocd patch?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Vader on 2008 June 13, 04:41:34
So is there a no-CD crack yet for the newest version of Free-Time?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tIIsuggas on 2008 June 13, 06:49:52
Ok, this is the totally innocent, learning on my feet question.. Wouldn't your pc only contain Securom regardless of what you have installed IF you had tried to run your game without the nocd patch?

If I understand this question correctly, we only get SecuROM infection if we run the game from the .exe that comes with the game, if we put a no-cd in place before actually starting the game, we don't get SecuROM.

I installed mine, but quit after each installation, put in the no-cd then ran the game from my desktop shortcut I made using the fixed exec.  I don't have SecuROM.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 June 13, 06:58:35
As long as you are using an admin account, this is true. If not an admin account, then just installing the game will infect you.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Simsbaby on 2008 June 13, 07:06:58
Ack. I'm glad this is still around. I got SuckROM by installing Test Drive Unlimited, and I wasn't paying attention when starting it up. When I saw that spinning cd of doom, I knew I had fuxored up. Fell free to point and laugh.  ::) Anyway, my real point with posting this is, does anyone know where I can find a list of games and what copy protection they use? I want to try to stay away from this nasty thing as much as possible.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 June 13, 07:26:44
List of games and copy protections can be found here (http://www.nfohump.com/index.php).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Vader on 2008 June 13, 07:51:34
Ok but the problem is that I installed the latest patch for Free Time but I can't find the associated crack. I don't wanna get Suckrom again so does anyone know where to get the crack for the latest version of free time?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: toad on 2008 June 13, 08:22:16
Not yet.  There are other threads where people have posted complaining about it.  Stop asking, I'm sure someone will announce when they finally discover there's a new No-CD. 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2008 June 13, 09:09:48
Ok but the problem is that I installed the latest patch for Free Time but I can't find the associated crack. I don't wanna get Suckrom again so does anyone know where to get the crack for the latest version of free time?

Cracks for patched executables are announced in NFOrce PC Game DOX section (http://www.nfohump.com/index.php?switchto=nfos&menu=sections&sectionid=5). After the announcement, it takes a couple of days for them to appear in sites like GCW.

FYI, crack for first BV patch was released after 3 weeks. Check DOX section daily, no point in asking here or any other fora.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2008 June 16, 20:20:07
Ok, I have a question. I'm going to be replacing my motherboard and processor in a couple of weeks which means I'm going to have to reinstall Windows and all my programs including TS2. I'm installing Windows on a new hard drive that's bigger than my current one which is about filled up right now. Anyway, when I get my mobo/CPU swapped out and get XP installed, I'd really like to avoid installing SecuROM. So what I'm wondering is, is there a way of installing the game without also installing SecuROM that doesn't involve downloading the games or does it automatically install when the game is installed. Because the removal instructions are too complicated for me to understand and I don't want to be messing with the registry. I have all the EPs and SPs if that makes any difference. I thought I read that SecuROM doesn't install until you start the game, is that the case? If so, would I just need a no CD crack for Free Time?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 June 16, 20:39:10
...is there a way of installing the game without also installing SecuROM that doesn't involve downloading the games or does it automatically install when the game is installed. Because the removal instructions are too complicated for me to understand and I don't want to be messing with the registry.

Just install the base game and all EPs and any necessary patches that you have in the normal manner.  Install the no-cd crack for the latest EP (if you have FT, install the no-cd crack for that).  Run game from the no-cd crack (your desktop shortcut should point to the no-cd crack and NOT to the original .exe file - it can be called anything you like, such as "FTno-cd.exe").

Do not run the game until after you install the no-cd crack.  This will avoid loading securom (which loads and installs when you first run the game from the original .exe file)

Running the game from the no-cd crack avoids the step of installing securom.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2008 June 16, 21:03:44
Thanks. Care to point me in the direction of a working FT no CD crack? Also, does the no CD crack bypass the launcher? Sorry, I've never done this before, but I think it's needed since I don't want to lose another DVD burner or anything else. Oh, and I'm not planning on patching FT at all, so I don't know if that makes a difference in what version I'll need or not.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Cappuccino on 2008 June 16, 22:28:48
^ It sure does make a difference. No-cd cracks for unpatched (and for the 1st patch) games can be found here (http://www.gamecopyworld.com/). Can't give you a direct link but it's pretty easy to find.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2008 June 17, 02:00:13
Thanks. I found it. Version 1.0 is for the un-patched game, right?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 June 17, 02:25:45
Thanks. I found it. Version 1.0 is for the un-patched game, right?
Right, and if you want the first patch, you can search the podium for the link. It's hosted here somewhere.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: toad on 2008 June 17, 04:38:27
It's here: http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/patch/ (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/patch/), and the crack you'd use for that is 1.1.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2008 June 20, 18:19:22
Ok, one more question. I have the digital copies of Glamour Life and the Holiday packs. If I install EA Downloader to install those games, will that put SecuROM on my PC, or would I be ok since those games were before SecuROM and because I wouldn't be running the game through their exes?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Dea on 2008 June 20, 18:37:07
I downloaded Freetime No CD Crack Version 1.0 and when I put it in the TSBin it turns into a shortcut even if I put the original .exe on the desktop.  Where can I get a good no cd crack for Freetime unpatched?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: geekgirl on 2008 June 20, 18:46:06
rightclick your crack, select "cut" or "copy" and paste it into TSBin. then make a shortcut to the desktop.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: lauriej on 2008 June 20, 18:49:20
you have to move the crack file to the tsbin for it to work.  if you try to copy it copeis as a shortcut and wont work


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: geekgirl on 2008 June 20, 19:19:39
Mine didn't.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: twistingsims on 2008 June 20, 21:31:59
I have been trying to follow the directions in the first post of this topic.

I downloaded RegDelNull and clicked on the exe, I don't know where it installed to as it was very quick, but it looked like the dos mode?

When I run command or cmd from the run menu, it comes up C:\Documents and Settings\myname> or C:\Docume~1\myname>

When I type in regdelnull and the rest as per instructions, it tells me its not a recognizable command.  If I change directory "cd C:" it comes up with C:\> I type in the command and the message says the same thing.

Is there something I am missing? Or perhaps the program did not install in the right place?

Also, do I have to uninstall the game?

Thanks


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 June 20, 22:15:34
You're missing the knowledge you need to do things at the DOS prompt, which means you probably shouldn't muck around with your computer until you gain that knowledge. You could seriously farkle your registry if you don't know what you're doing, to the point where you'd have to reinstall windows to get your machine operating again.

Oh, and no, you don't have to uninstall the game.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Dea on 2008 June 21, 05:32:56
rightclick your crack, select "cut" or "copy" and paste it into TSBin. then make a shortcut to the desktop.

Thanks, that worked.  Moving it is what didn't work.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: twistingsims on 2008 June 21, 20:17:16
You're missing the knowledge you need to do things at the DOS prompt, which means you probably shouldn't muck around with your computer until you gain that knowledge. You could seriously farkle your registry if you don't know what you're doing, to the point where you'd have to reinstall windows to get your machine operating again.

Oh, and no, you don't have to uninstall the game.


I'm not completely computer illiterate and I feel that by asking and learning to do things myself is how I become less computer illiterate.  However, I should have read the entire thread as there was some great info on why this didn't work for me and I also found Li'l Brudder's steps very helpful.

Thanks  :)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 June 21, 22:23:32
There you go -- now you're starting to have the knowledge you need. :)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: cannavaroswife on 2008 June 21, 23:09:20
Long time lurker, first post anyway.

I am running my game with Sims2 + OFB + Seasons + BV (all patched)

I am thinking about to remove the secuROM. I had no problems with it (yet because my sims computer does not have web connection yet, but it will be soon) but I want to remove it. Please, I need some advices.
If I do the following my computer will safety get rid of SecuROM?
1- Remove SecuROM using Maxis Tool  (SimsBV_SU)
2- Download the NO-CD patch
3- rename my actual .exe (the one that came with Maxis CD) to .bak and use the NO-CD patch .exe to run the game.

I really plan to do it but I don't know if the NO-CD .exe will read my actual BV installation. I am confused if I will have to uninstall BV  or if the NO-CD patch is able to read my actual BV installation, needing just the .exe replacement ???
Also I'd like to know if Maxis Tool REALLY removes all SecuROM traces and files.

The explanation to Remove SecuROM manually is complete but as i don't have any knowledge on Registry Keys I prefer don't edit or remove anything on the registry. I really have afraid of it. That's why I am thinking about to remove SecuROM through Maxis uninstall tool. But I am so confused  :o

Please guys and gals, help me!  :-*
Thanks!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2008 June 24, 17:17:07
Ok, my last question got completely overlooked, so I figured I'd try again. Will EA Downloader put SecuROM on my computer when I install it? I have the Holiday mini packs and Glamour Life that I purchased digital copies of way back and I don't really want to have to buy new versions of.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Dea on 2008 June 24, 17:30:24
Never pay for digital copies! 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 June 24, 17:37:57
Ok, my last question got completely overlooked, so I figured I'd try again. Will EA Downloader put SecuROM on my computer when I install it? I have the Holiday mini packs and Glamour Life that I purchased digital copies of way back and I don't really want to have to buy new versions of.
I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect so. I believe the download program itself has SecuROM. It's a fuzzy memory, though. Uninstall the downloader. Remove SecuROM. You should be able to run your game from the executables and still have the stuffpacks active. If not, ARR! It's not like you haven't paid for it, so even if you care to financially support a company that doesn't respect your rights, you aren't doing anything wrong.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 June 24, 18:16:06
I don't believe that installing stuff through the downloader puts SecuROM on your machine, since SecuROM is designed to look for a particular digital key on a CD, and you don't HAVE a CD with downloaded EP/SPs.

OTOH, you will have to have an active internet connection if you launch the game with the EP/SP that you downloaded, so it can call home and verify you have a legitimate copy. This is of course not a problem if you're playing an EP/SP that's newer than the one you downloaded, since you'll be launching from the newer programs .EXE.




Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2008 June 24, 20:18:22
IIRC, the downloaded versions come with their own special version of SecuRom.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2008 June 24, 22:50:00
IIRC, the downloaded versions come with their own special version of SecuRom.

Even games that came out long before they used SecuROM? Because all I have is Glamour Life and the two Holiday packs. Basically, in two weeks, I'm getting a new motherboard and processor installed, so once that's done and Windows is installed on my new hard drive, that's when I'm going to be more careful of SecuROM. I have it now, but it's too much trouble to bother trying to remove it now. But I don't want SecuROM on my new hard drive, so if there's even a chance that my digital copies will include it, I'll just go ahead and download cracked copies. I could just avoid installing them, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work since I'm planning on backing up my main neighborhood and from what I've heard, it wouldn't work since I have those installed now.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2008 June 25, 00:11:00
I couldn't say if the older games have SecuRom, too. I just wouldn't touch the EA Downloader with a ten foot pole.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ShortyBoo on 2008 June 25, 17:59:34
I keep hearing about how the IKEA pack has the newer version of SecuROM that was included with the FT patch, but I thought that Stuff packs won't install SecuROM since you don't use the .exe from them to start the game. Or is that wrong?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 June 25, 18:21:10
No, you're right -- since you never run the IKEA .exe (so long as you have an EP newer than Pets), it never gets a chance to install SecuROM.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Cappuccino on 2008 June 28, 12:26:58
^ You can search for it yourself at gamecopyworld.com and stop bugging people here. If it *had* been released, be sure that there'd be people mentioning it here. To realise that though means that you'd have to read some posts too instead of just barging in and asking "oh, where's my no-cd crack?".

Short answer: there isn't one yet.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2008 June 30, 00:41:43
I downloaded bittorrent. with bittorrent i was able to download a program called the crack machine. it makes cracks for the patched version of bon voyage and free time that are not infested with Suck-U-Rom. i got the crack machine from http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4085797/Crack_Machine_BETA_v1.0_%5BFreeTime___Bon_Voyage%5D_SpyXenoX
The crack machine is very simple, download, go to the directory it was installed in. double-click on CrackMachine.exe. Select the EP you need cracked. Click the button.

Excuse me? A "Crack Machine" for the Sims? That sounds EXTREMELY dodgy to me. I would not touch it with a ten-foot barge pole. If it was that easy to produce new cracks out of thin air with a simple program, why talented crackers have not yet produced a NoCD for FreeTime second patch yet?
I bet this so-called "Crack Machine" is nothing more than just an auto-installer of existing cracks that were made by Scene release groups. People who are dumb enough not to be able to extract a NoCD from .rar would fall for it for sure. I would never trust some lame auto-installer to mess with my game setup. Most likely, this "Crack Machine" will produce Unholy Hybrid (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php/topic,12031.msg341639.html#msg341639) when used upon patched FreeTime, as there is no reliable NoCD for FreeTime second patch yet.

I was very weary of no-cd cracks because one awsome person posted that they can be infested with rootkits.

Excuse me again, rootkits in NoCDs? If that person spouted about such nonsense, then clearly he/she was not awesome. If you stick to reliable sources like GameCopyWorld (http://www.gamecopyworld.com) for NoCDs, you'll not get rootkits or other virus/malware. The Scene groups are serious in their competition to produce proper cracks first. If one group was dumb enough to retain rootkit in their NoCD, they'll be immediately gunned down by other groups.


I was weary of downloading a no-cd crack from a sight because I did not know a safe site to do so from and did not want to trade my Suck-U-Rom problems for rootkits. That is why I personally opted to use the Crack Machine method. My awsome friend Dani did this to get a no-cd crack. No Suck-U-Rom, no rootkits on her computer.

Seriously, get your fill of NoCDs from GameCopyWorld (http://www.gamecopyworld.com), instead of resorting to some lame dodgy auto-installer made by some nobody. You're much safer this way.


Title: SecuROM Struck Again, but how??
Post by: unregister on 2008 June 30, 08:17:01
After Bon Voyage and being contaminated with SecuRom, I went through all the steps, cleaned SecuRom completely out, used the no-cd, and my internet use returned to normal.

The unbought Free Time and Castaways are both used with no-cd's. Even so, I had ran 'CureSecuROM', checked my registry keys, searched my file folders, just to be sure that no part of SecuRom got into my computer. All came up clean.

Early to mid last month, I began having real problems with the internet again. It reminded me of what had happened before with SecuRom. But hey, my pc was clean so that couldn't be the problem. I was so wrong.

While trying to solve the internet problems, I came across the "Shell Extensions Manager" and ran it. There was SecuRom. It was called "SecuRom Context Menu for Explorer" version 1,1,222,0 in "C: Documents\Locals 1\temp\cmdLine", a 'cmdLine Context Menu Class. Made by the 'friends" in Austria.

The strangest thing is that it is dated 5/2/08. This is a date after Castaways install/use and before Free Time. The only thing that I can remember around this date is after doing a defrag, the no-cd went AWOL and I had to get a new one. Maybe it was a bad no-cd to begin with. Glad to say that the internet use is back to normal. I am just puzzled as to how this type of SecuROm got in.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: BastDawn on 2008 June 30, 08:23:25
Did you install any other games or demos?  SecuRom isn't just for the Sims.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: unregister on 2008 June 30, 08:37:03
No, only pc games I have is Sim games, no demos, nothing new since Castaways and Free Time.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2008 June 30, 11:18:26
Actually Darcy, I saw mention of rootkits in no-cd's in this thread.  Was within the first six pages. I read every one of those posts. after that I started skimming.

I couldn't find anyone claiming the existence of rootkits in NoCDs within the first six pages. There was a discussion about whether Securom itself is rootkit or not, but we already know that Securom is TEH EVIL. That's part of the reason why we should use NoCDs in the first place.

You're not avoiding NoCDs that you were wary of by using said "Crack Machine", as you should be aware by now. Because the so-called "Crack Machine" is nothing more than auto-installer of the same NoCD that you were wary of. It is always recommended to get NoCDs via the "ARRRofficial" route, instead of some dodgy source that is not approved in the (game cracking) Scene.


As for the 'unholy hybrid'. I did not patch BV before discovering Suck-U-Rom. I'm very laxidasical about patching my game. It runs fine without EA's 'fixes'. Mater of fact, I diden't patch anything until Petz -and then because of the bodyshop crap. At the time I figured since I was patching one might as well do all of them.

Pescado himself endorses patching, unless he declares a certain patch to be FUBAR state. So far, the only patch that was declared to be FUBAR was the first Pets patch, which is now replaced by the second one. If FOJ himself endorses it, it should be fine enough for me.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 June 30, 12:13:33
FTp1 has been approved and is on the site. The state of MATY FT hacks currently assume FTp1. FTp2 has no crack and therefore I have not installed it because SecuROM adds MASSIVELY to bootup times and therefore is not good for hacking work. I have no information either way about the matter, although the code changes appear to have no real impact on existing hacks, although some may be rendered obsolete (but it will not hurt you to leave them in).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 June 30, 17:48:47
Gamecopyworld is a pretty reliable source for nocds, they are quick to take any down that are not what they claim to be. Gameburnworld always seemed a little dodgy to me, no idea why.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: t r a c y on 2008 June 30, 17:56:54
I think what's irritating me more than EA thinking SecuROM was a good idea is that it can't even install its shit right in the first place.  Example: I'm on Step 3 in the Tom's Hardware instructions.  I type in the command to remove user access.  The file, uaservice7.exe?  Not there.  But sure enough, cmdlineext.dll is, and I get an error when I try to do the "regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll" command.  I'm assuming it's not working because of uaservice7.exe magically not existing, but you know...assumptions.  To add more fun to the mystery, my SecuROM folder in Application Data is empty as well.

So I ask: can I trash cmdlineext.dll safely even though the "regsvr32 /u" command doesn't seem to work, or am I utterly screwed?

this doesn't appear to have been addressed by anyone and i am i the same situation.  my game runs fine with a nocd, and i have no securom registry entries, and uaservice7.exe does not exist, but cmdlineext.dll is there and regsvr32 /u command also doesn't work for me so i can't get rid of it.  can i just ignore cmdlineext.dll since my game runs fine, and my cd & dvd drives run fine, or is it still a problem i need to solve?  am i just failing when it comes to that command, should it work, why doesn't it work, am i retarded?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 June 30, 18:37:12
Couldn't you try to run in safe mode and delete it?



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: t r a c y on 2008 June 30, 18:44:09
i've never had to do that before, so i'll figure out how to do that and give it a try, thanks.

oh, well, that was nice and easy!  thanks again  :)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 July 01, 04:49:26
...am i retarded?

Since you don't appear to be able to locate your shift key, I would have to say yes.

Here's what it looks like.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/nz_witch/shiftkey_small.jpg)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 July 02, 19:45:34
I have scanned the readme visually, but see no mention of the word SecuRom...maybe I'm missing it OR...maybe FEAR has it too...Is there a list somewhere of games that contain SecuRom, other than the Sims 2 Eps ?

Use this for your game protection hunting:
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/gamedb.php?letter=F
(I have kindly pointed you to the page you need for this question)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: WORF on 2008 July 03, 00:31:08
Ok...taking a risk here and hoping that this question hasn't been asked a dozen times already....(ps. I DID read a ton of the previous pages, but it becomes very overwhelming to someone that is NOT very computer savvy and wants help)

I have ALL of the expansions...I have zero Stuff Packs...I have installed the second Free time patch on my computer...

I have also determined that I HAVE SecuRom.   


So, the question is...

Does anyone know if the game F.E.A.R has SecuRom in it as well?  I performed a simple file search on my documents for securom, and I got a result from the readme file in my Program Files/Sierra/FEAR directory.

I have scanned the readme visually, but see no mention of the word SecuRom...maybe I'm missing it OR...maybe FEAR has it too...Is there a list somewhere of games that contain SecuRom, other than the Sims 2 Eps ?




You can also use a program called Protection ID where you scan the exe for the game and it tells you what protection is being used (if any) and some other tidbits.

http://pid.gamecopyworld.com/ProtectionID.html



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Mizz Rose Bud on 2008 July 03, 19:02:20
First of all ... BAAAH for making a spot where SecuROM is discussed in an intelligent and mature manner, it is really refreshing  ;)

I do not have had any, visible, issues with SecuROM yet, but I got curious about how all this remove-SecuROm-stuff works + I would like to start using a NOCD, to spare my DVD, so I went on with the instructions that Zazazu gave us in the first post. It appears that I´m in the same situation as Tchan, Tsarina, Lullabelle and TashaFaun ...

I get to this part of the instructions:
Quote
Download regdelnull.exe and place it in C:\
Go to "Run" and type in "cmd", then type the following:

cd C:\
regdelnull hkcu -s
regdelnull hku -s
 
The two regdelnull calls above will scan the whole of HKEY_CURRENT_USER (abbreviated to HKCU) and HKEY_USERS (abbreviated to HKU). It's possible you may find other null registry keys during the scans, since you're not targeting *just* the SecuROM keys doing it this way. regdelnull will prompt you with the full pathname of every key it finds though, which will contain the name "SecuROM" if it's one of the ones you're after, so you can check names and only respond "y" to delete those two.
but there isn´t any key that match that description.  ???

I have all EP´s and SP´s except for IKEA SP + I have downloaded the free SPORE trial and tested it out ... SecuROM should be there by now, right  ???

I have Norton Antivirus/Internet Security ... someone mentioned that that could have an affect, can´t find the post right now.

So ... can I sit back and relax or did I miss something ? I did try to read all the posts in this thread, but it is a long thread and if I may quote psikfreak
Quote
I'm computer literate enough to realize just how illiterate I am

If I do have SecuROM lurking somewhere and can´t get to it, can I install a NOCD crack anyway or will SecuROM protest and prevent me from playing ...

Rose


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: spambi on 2008 July 06, 14:46:05
I found a no-DVD crack for Free Time 1.13 on GameBurnWorld this morning. http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2freetime.shtml (http://www.gameburnworld.com/gp/gamefixes/sims2freetime.shtml)

Is 1.13 the version number of Free Time with the latest patch? Are the no-DVD and no-CD cracks interchangeable?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 July 06, 14:48:25
^ Yes. This is for the latest patch, and by that I mean, not patch number two. Er-- anyway, for your questions-- yes and yes.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Gelina on 2008 July 07, 02:56:07
I didn't see this posted anywhere in this thread (and yes, I did read it all before replying), so I'm going to ask.

I'm running Windows x64 and attempted to follow the removal instructions.  For most of the steps I could not find the files indicated.  I'm not sure if this means that SecuRom was not running on my computer or if I missed something.  Below are the steps I followed and the result:

1. Download regdelnull.exe and use it to delete regdelnull hkcu -s and regdelnull hku -s.   These scans did not find any files to delete.
2. Type "uaservice7 /remove" in "c:\windows\system32". This was not found.  I also actually scanned my entire computer for that service and did not find it anywhere.
3. Type "regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll" in "c:\windows\system32". This one I had to adjust a little bit.  I did the exact same thing, but with file CmdLineExt_x64.dll in C:\WINDOWS\SysWOW64 instead (after verifying that the file was a SecuRom file).
4. Reboot and then manually delete the files "uaservice7.exe" and "cmdlineext.dll" from "c:\windows\system32". Again, I couldn't find the uaservice7.exe, and I had to delete the CmdLineExt_x64.dll instead.
5. Removal of Securom files under "C:\Documents and Settings"  I couldn't find these files anywhere on my computer.
6. Check your registry files. Still see any keys under HKEY_CURRENT_USER---Software---Securom? Just delete the suckers. Did this.
7. You need to start loading from a no-CD crack. Did this.

In general, my game seems to be more stable (less crashes and actually launches when I tell it to), but I don't know if I actually had a problem with SecuRom to begin with.  It doesn't appear that the service was running on my PC.  Maybe the No-CD.exe fixed some other problem I had instead.  Any thoughts?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 July 07, 13:34:32
In general, my game seems to be more stable (less crashes and actually launches when I tell it to), but I don't know if I actually had a problem with SecuRom to begin with.  It doesn't appear that the service was running on my PC.  Maybe the No-CD.exe fixed some other problem I had instead.  Any thoughts?

If you loaded the game on an administrator account it is possible that the SecuROM entries in registry were not there, especially if you did not run the game while online.  In any case, if you searched and destroyed, as you described, you should be fine.  Kill what's there - if it isn't there, rejoice.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: catpaw on 2008 July 08, 14:57:04
I bought BV when it first came out, and had to remove it because of SecuROM - first my game stopped working when I tried to load it - "insert the original game disk" blah blah - then it started screwing with other games on my computer, and I had to reinstall another game after removing BV and SecuROM. I'm thinking about putting BV back on my computer and getting Freetime, but I don't want SecuROM fucking up my game. However, I'm apprehensive about downloading a no-CD crack. Not only is it completely illegal (even though I already paid for a legitimate copy), but I'm nervous about getting viruses and crap on my computer from downloading a crack. Can I install BV or FT from the CD, and remove SecuROM without having to uninstall the games? Or will this make my computer blow up? (Despite all the warnings about deleting SecuROM at the Tom's Hardware Forums link, I deleted SecuROM after removing BV and didn't have any problems; except I removed SecuROM after uninstalling BV, and didn't try to play BV without SecuROM).



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Milhouse Trixibelle Saltfucker III on 2008 July 08, 15:05:02
Running the BV .exe will just reinstall SecuROM. And it's always a good idea to have an antivirus program and scan your cracks for viruses before running them. And I'm a little intrigued by your statement that it is "completely illegal" - do they have levels of illegality now? - but that's another subject entirely.

Besides, installing a rootkit onto your computer without your consent is illegal, too. Fight fire with fire, eh?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 July 08, 16:41:50
It is not "completely illegal" to play a legitimately purchased copy of the game with a no-cd crack.  You have the disks and the license to use.  All the no-cd does is make it so that you don't have to insert your disks when you play, thus saving them from wear and tear.  It also does not stick you with securom, which has nothing to do with your legitimate license rights to use the software, but is likely an illegal intrusion on your privacy.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 July 08, 18:22:28
And I'm a little intrigued by your statement that it is "completely illegal" - do they have levels of illegality now? - but that's another subject entirely.


A bit illegal - speeding
Mostly illegal - robbery
Pretty much illegal - murder
Completely illegal - playing the sims with a no-cd exe.

:)

(BBS brainwashing at its finest...)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: catpaw on 2008 July 08, 22:36:27
Yeah, I realize that the "completely illegal" sounds dumb - I'm nitpicking, but I don't consider downloading a song or an old video game (one that isn't being sold commercially anymore) to be as bad as downloading the Sims 2.

I'll probably get the no-CD crack, but I'm crossing my fingers and hoping it doesn't screw up my computer...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 July 09, 13:48:31
I'll probably get the no-CD crack, but I'm crossing my fingers and hoping it doesn't screw up my computer...

Many of us here have been playing with no-cd exes for a long time; so long as you get it from a reliable source (i.e., gamecopyworld), it's highly unlikely it'll do anything to your computer.  In fact, you have better odds of SecuROM screwing up your computer than any no-cd exe that keeps it from being installed in the first place.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 July 09, 18:50:25
I don't consider downloading a song or an old video game (one that isn't being sold commercially anymore) to be as bad as downloading the Sims 2.

I'll probably get the no-CD crack, but I'm crossing my fingers and hoping it doesn't screw up my computer...

As to screwing up your computer, it is more likely that the "legit" purchased copy will bork your computer than a clean torrent version.  As this is the case, from a "protect your investment" perspective, buying new EPs would be bad.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 10, 19:03:52
Thank-god I was linked to this site. :D I have The Sims 2, Uni, Nightlife, OFB, Pets,Seasons, and the nightmare BonVoyage and NO stuff packs. Everything was working perfectly until I installed Bon Voyage then mysteriously my CD drives and Bonvoyage completely stopped working.I went to the net and found out about this Securom abomination. Damn EA. I used their Securom removal tool off their website and I think it was deleted(my drives starting working again so I guess it was), but if I installed BonVoyage again it would just come back so for the past 7 months I have not being playing the Sims at all. However, my sisters and I leave for college in August and we have been getting nostalgic about playing the Sims again before we leave so against my better judgment(I know the Securom b.s.is on it) I went and brought Fun-time two days ago. I have not installed it yet.I am uninstalling all my packs.I want to start fresh.BonVoyage will not be installed  back on my computer even if Securom gets permately deleted off. It was a boring waste of a pack anyway. Pets, even though it was Securom free, will not be installed back either it was another waste. I'm not computer savvy so bear with me. :-[

What is a no crack CD, and if it will permately not allow Securom on my computer where can I get it. Is it something to download or do have to buy it? There's so many instructions on how to remove Securom permately on the first page it made my head spin. So which one should I go with ? Do I install all the packs that don't have Securom on them first, then when I get ready to install Funtime, do I download this CD crack thing first and then install Funtime or vice versa? Will this CD crack recognize all the other packs? Should I make sure Securom is permately off my computer before I start reinstalling any of my packs? I have McAfee Internet Security Suite 2007,  Avast anti virus 4.8. and Rogue Malware Removal tool all running on my computer.Is this going to be a problem? I think this happened when I sent my computer in to get a new hard drive but for some reason when it came back a message popped up saying one of my  Nvidia SLI graphic cards has been removed. I've always had two graphics cards when playing the Sims now that I only have one  for some mysterious reason how will this effect game play since the Sims 2 and its expansions have always seemed to need the best of the best or near it to run properly?Thank-you. :)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Milhouse Trixibelle Saltfucker III on 2008 July 10, 21:43:38
I can answer these: No CD cracks are free, get them at gamecopyworld.com. Also, remove SecuROM before using, because it won't automatically remove it, just keep you from getting it again. TS2 shouldn't be affected terribly by having one less graphics card - I'm running it fine on a computer from around 2000 that is very very obsolete, and it's only a little laggy. And finally, having lots of virus/malware protection won't cause issues with removal, but SecuROM will probably try to kill them since they're trying to, y'know, protect you from malware like it.

On a side note: Why are so many people calling Freetime Funtime? Is it different in international versions or something?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 July 10, 22:08:31
On a side note: Why are so many people calling Freetime Funtime? Is it different in international versions or something?

Yes; some of the foreign language versions translate to 'Fun Time' in English. I think BV had a slightly different name in some languages, too.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 10, 22:48:42
LoL, That was mistake on my part.  I live in America and have the American version it 's just for some odd reason Funtime sounds better than Freetime to me and that's what I keep accidentally calling it. Anyway, so basically I uninstall all the packs first ,then do all the Securom removal stuff that's on the first page, then reinstall all the packs, then install Freetime but when it asks what folder to put it in doing installation I go to the CD crack website and follow the instructions from there. Am I right so far?

 EDit: Okay I went to gamecopyworld and I swear it's like I'm looking at a foreign language. Does it
matter which mirror(whatever that's supposed to mean) I go in? It's seven of them and  I went in the first one. Then In the search bar I put Sims 2 Freetime. It then gave me this list below. Which one do I choose? And what in the world is a game trainer and unlockers and should I even worry about that? Also, The instructions say first install the whole game. Um, but if I do that wouldn't Securom just install as well and I thought the whole purpose of doing this was so securom wouldn't install with the game? Also if  I decide not to uninstall any of my expansions that includes infected with securom bonvoyage would the cd crack for freetime overwrite the problems with bon voyage or do I just go on ahead and do a complete uninstall and if I do that and reinstall bon voyage do I use the cd crack for freetime since I'm installing that right after or do I use a a cd crack for bon voyage and a cd crack for free time? Also can I skip the step for the fun time crack about the official patch(the first one) I've never did patches for any of my games because I've never had a reason to and I doubt the first freetime patch is still available since EA has come out with the second one.

Game Fixes:

    * The Sims 2: Freetime v1.13.0.161 [MULTI16] No-DVD/Fixed EXE
    * The Sims 2: Freetime v1.1 [MULTI16] No-DVD/Fixed EXE
    * The Sims 2: Freetime [MULTI3] No-DVD/Fixed Image
    * The Sims 2: Freetime v1.0 [MULTI16] No-DVD/Fixed EXE

Game Trainers & Unlockers:

    * The Sims 2: Freetime v1.0 +3 TRAINER
list




Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2008 July 11, 00:28:25
I can help with part of this. You will only get the FT one because that is the latest one.
Securom is in the cd, but it will not be installed unless you launch from the play button. If you replace the exe file with the no cd one you will not be launching the game normally, and thus not installing the securom (you will save the old file with .bak at the end of it-just in case you have to go back to the original game)
I'm not sure right now which one is the original no cd crack. There have been others added, because of the patches added on the home site. If you don't have the patches, it would probably be the

* The Sims 2: Freetime v1.0 [MULTI16] No-DVD/Fixed EXE

I'm sure that's the one I have. I don't have the patches.  (I do have the fixes found in this site, though!)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Roux on 2008 July 11, 00:37:46
So many questions! Fortunately, I had couple glasses of wine with dinner, so I'm in the mood to help.

(snip) Anyway, so basically I uninstall all the packs first ,then do all the Securom removal stuff that's on the first page, then reinstall all the packs, then install Freetime but when it asks what folder to put it in doing installation I go to the CD crack website and follow the instructions from there. Am I right so far? 
Uninstallation/reinstallation is not required. Skip straight to removal of SecuROM, download CD crack, then run the game using the crack.

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EDit: Okay I went to gamecopyworld and I swear it's like I'm looking at a foreign language. Does it
matter which mirror(whatever that's supposed to mean) I go in? It's seven of them and  I went in the first one. Then In the search bar I put Sims 2 Freetime. It then gave me this list below. Which one do I choose? And what in the world is a game trainer and unlockers and should I even worry about that? Also, The instructions say first install the whole game. Um, but if I do that wouldn't Securom just install as well and I thought the whole purpose of doing this was so securom wouldn't install with the game?
Mirror does not matter. I just pick a random one, and it's fine.

SecuROM does not install until you RUN the game from the original executable file. The "install the game" note is just for the people that think that all they need to play the game is the cracked executable.

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Also if  I decide not to uninstall any of my expansions that includes infected with securom bonvoyage would the cd crack for freetime overwrite the problems with bon voyage or do I just go on ahead and do a complete uninstall and if I do that and reinstall bon voyage do I use the cd crack for freetime since I'm installing that right after or do I use a a cd crack for bon voyage and a cd crack for free time?
That has to be the longest question I've ever seen. But in short, you don't need to uninstall anything. If your most recent expansion is FreeTime, that's the crack you choose.

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Also can I skip the step for the fun time crack about the official patch(the first one) I've never did patches for any of my games because I've never had a reason to and I doubt the first freetime patch is still available since EA has come out with the second one.

Game Fixes:

    * The Sims 2: Freetime v1.13.0.161 [MULTI16] No-DVD/Fixed EXE
    * The Sims 2: Freetime v1.1 [MULTI16] No-DVD/Fixed EXE
    * The Sims 2: Freetime [MULTI3] No-DVD/Fixed Image
    * The Sims 2: Freetime v1.0 [MULTI16] No-DVD/Fixed EXE

Game Trainers & Unlockers:

    * The Sims 2: Freetime v1.0 +3 TRAINER
list

Ah, damn, skye already responded. But to reiterate skye's statement, since you have not applied any patches, use * The Sims 2: Freetime v1.0 [MULTI16] No-DVD/Fixed EXE


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 July 11, 04:03:05
SecuROM does not install until you RUN the game from the original executable file. The "install the game" note is just for the people that think that all they need to play the game is the cracked executable.
Not completely true. It does not install until you Run the game, on an Admin account. On an account without admin control, it will install upon game Install.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 11, 05:01:54
Okay I did this(below) and it said scan complete 2 times and there was not anything there for me to delete so I guess I don't have Securom anymore. Just to be on the safe side I downloaded this as well. DelinvFile from http://www.purgeie.com/delinv/dldelinv.htm This was an alternate step. Not one file said Securom anything on it. So does this mean that this worked? http://thesims2.ea.com/help/detail.php?help_id=341. I didn't uninstall bonvoyage but I used the Securom utility to get all the registry  keys off and I did not play bonvoyage anymore after that because their tool said by relaunching it, it will put securom back on. So if EA's utility tool, worked and it seems like it has, can I go on ahead and install Free time and then put the crack in.


Download regdelnull.exe and place it in C:\
Go to "Run" and type in "cmd", then type the following:

cd C:\
regdelnull hkcu -s
regdelnull hku -s


 




Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Roux on 2008 July 11, 14:39:57
SecuROM does not install until you RUN the game from the original executable file. The "install the game" note is just for the people that think that all they need to play the game is the cracked executable.
Not completely true. It does not install until you Run the game, on an Admin account. On an account without admin control, it will install upon game Install.

Oh, right... I always forget that part, since I play on an Admin account.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 11, 23:47:22
Okay, I did it or tried to anyway. If Securom is not off my computer after me going through a bunch of computer lingo I didn't understand for 2 days. So be it.I'm sleepy and frustrated and simply don't care anymore.If there was a way for me to sue EA for putting this BS on my computer without my consent I would. In any case Freetime is installed.I did not launch it so Securom should not be on my computer anymore right?I have downloaded the crack. It's waiting to be put in the right folder, however, that's the problem I can't find the folder.I went to MY Documents and the only thing that is there is the original Sims 2 folder and neither one of the folders in  it say Sims 2 Freetime/Ts Bin. So I can't change anything nor can I stick the crack in. In the My Computer folder there was an icon with the Sims 2 Freetime on in the devices with removable storage area. I clicked on it but it sounded like it was about to launch so I hurried up and ejected the CD before anything came up.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: WORF on 2008 July 12, 00:50:46
Okay, I did it or tried to anyway.  Iwent to MY Documents and the only thing that is there is the original Sims 2 folder and neither one of the folders in  it say Sims 2 Freetime/Ts Bin. So I can't change anything nor can I stick the crack in. In the My Computer folder there was an icon with the Sims 2 Freetime on in the devices with removable storage area. I clicked on it but it sounded like it was about to launch so I hurried up and ejected the CD before anything came up.

The correct location would be C:/Program Files/EA Games/The Sims 2 FreeTime/TSBin not in the Documents folder.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 12, 01:47:07
I clicked a lot of things until I found it. It was under Properties, but I am still loss. Under Properties the link says "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime\TSBin\Sims2Launcher.exe". I thought it was supposed to say Sims 2Ep7.exe. so I can change it to Sims 2Ep7.bak. and then install the crack. Also when I told the Properties bar to find target it took me to the TS bin,but I don't know which icon to drop the crack in.Also I took the disk out so I wouldn't accidentally launch it,but was I supposed to keep it in until  I installed the crack. I am so sorry for all these questions but being computer illiterate does that to a person,but thank-you. :D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MrMugg on 2008 July 12, 03:01:42
I clicked a lot of things until I found it. It was under Properties, but I am still loss. Under Properties the link says "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime\TSBin\Sims2Launcher.exe". I thought it was supposed to say Sims 2Ep7.exe. so I can change it to Sims 2Ep7.bak. and then install the crack. Also when I told the Properties bar to find target it took me to the TS bin,but I don't know which icon to drop the crack in.Also I took the disk out so I wouldn't accidentally launch it,but was I supposed to keep it in until  I installed the crack. I am so sorry for all these questions but being computer illiterate does that to a person,but thank-you. :D

You've got the right folder.  It's the TSBin folder.  Just place the cracked exe file there.  You don't need to drop it on any icons at all.  Just place the exe file in the TSBin folder.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 July 12, 03:39:37
I clicked a lot of things until I found it. It was under Properties, but I am still loss. Under Properties the link says "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime\TSBin\Sims2Launcher.exe". I thought it was supposed to say Sims 2Ep7.exe. so I can change it to Sims 2Ep7.bak. and then install the crack. Also when I told the Properties bar to find target it took me to the TS bin,but I don't know which icon to drop the crack in.Also I took the disk out so I wouldn't accidentally launch it,but was I supposed to keep it in until  I installed the crack. I am so sorry for all these questions but being computer illiterate does that to a person,but thank-you. :D

Wait, you changed the location under "properties"? As in, you right clicked on the BV icon and clicked "properties". That's not the right thing to do.
Change the location under properties in your shortcut menu to Sims2ep7.exe. Then click "find target" then change the file there(in the folder that clicking find target brought you to) that says sims2ep7.exe to Sims2ep7.bak and drop the cd crack into that folder.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 12, 05:35:07
I'm sorry, but I need complete layman's terms because I still don't quite understand.

Okay I right clicked the Freetime icon and went down to Properties. There's three tabs. General, Shortcut, and Compatibility. I clicked Shortcut. In that tab is
Target type: Application
Target Location: TS Bin
Target:C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime\TSBin\Sims2Launcher.exe
Start In:C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime
Shortcut Key : None
Run:Normal Window
Comment: Blank

Okay, Now clicking Find target with everything exactly like the above takes me to the TS Bin. In the Bin are 7 icons. The say GDF.ll, Sims2EP7, Sims 2 web,TS2UPD0,ijl15.dll, Sims 2 Launcher(I clicked this once and it took me to the Sims 2 website. It seems this icon makes it so you can play the game online but I don't want that.), and lastly TS2UPD. There are three boxes in this TSBin as well. They are called File and Folder Tasks, Other Places, and Details. Clicking a folder in the Other Places box called Sims 2 Freetime takes me to a place with 9 icons labeled. CS Bin, TS Bin( is now a folder icon) EA unistall,filelist Sims 2ep7unistall,Support,TS Data,EAunistall, Sims 2ep7.

Also for the crack itself I had to download something called a WinRar. After that I downloaded what I hope is the crack(vty0163.rar). Three things came from doing that. In this WinRar are the three things labled. ... and it has a folder icon by it. The second one is Sims 2 ep7.exe, and the third one says Vitality.nfo. I assume that the one labled Sims2ep7.exe is the crack correct? However if it is I do not know how to insert it in whatever it is suppose to go in(don't even know how to get to what it is supposed to go in as you can see from above). I am so sorry,but again thanks. Remember step by step Laymans terms. :-[ :-[


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mildlydisguised on 2008 July 12, 06:52:42
1.  In your current TSBin folder rename the Sims2EP7.exe to Sims2EP7.bak

2.  Take the Sims2EP7.exe from the crack folder and drag it to your TSBin folder (It will not override your previous Sims2EP7.exe as you have already renamed this to .bak).

3.  Right click on your desktop shortcut and chose properties, under the shortcut tab, replace whatever you have in the target line with "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime\TSBin\Sims2EP7.exe" -w (This will prevent the game from loading using the launcher which is bad)

Also the -w on the end of the shortcut will load your game in windowed mode so if you don't want that, leave it off.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 12, 07:14:03

God, I'm so sleepy. Anyway, thanks. :D Was there anything  special that was supposed to happen when I dragged the crack in to the TS bin? Also there was already an icon on my desktop for Free Time. It now says C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime\TSBin\Sims2EP7.exe. Is that where I load the game from to play, and can I play on guest like this since that's where I usually played the Sims from(I did all this crack stuff on administrator though.)?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mildlydisguised on 2008 July 12, 07:29:50
Nope nothing special should have happened, you were just basically moving a file.  The only reason we got you to rename the original Sims2EP7.exe was so the crack version you moved into the folder didn't override and replace it.

Provided there is a Sims2EP7.bak file in your TSBin folder along with the Sims2EP7.exe (crack version) on your Guest account.  And providing that the shortcut's target is pointing to the same "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 FreeTime\TSBin\Sims2EP7.exe" that your admin account does then you should be fine.  I always use my admin account so have no idea whether the changes that you've made will flow through to the guest account.  I would think that you will need to repeat the steps above on the guest account but I am not sure.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 12, 08:24:15
Thank-you all so much!! :D  I know I was a pain with all my newb questions. It worked!! It loaded perfectly, without the Securom infested CD!! If I hear of anybody having problems with Securom I will definitely be recommending this site. SCREW YOU EA!!!!!!! I'll have to check and see if it works in Guest in the morning. Right now my bed is calling my name...


One more newbish question though. I know the booklet says close all background task using task manager, and anti virus/malware software( I have 3 running on my computer) but does that really matter?I feel my computer is nude with my protection being off, and I'm scared of deleting anything from task manager and then I'll have to constantly keep enabling everything every time I stop playing the Sims and disabling everything when I want to play. Seems tedious. However, even though my gaming computer can take all the expansions, since Bon voyage I have noticed a slowness in the loading screen and just now when I launched FreeTime it was like a minute slow and black screened for a few seconds before going to the neighborhood. So if disabling everything will make it run a bit faster,if not...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mildlydisguised on 2008 July 12, 08:39:10
Well you may be able to free up a bit of RAM by closing background tasks but I can't imagine it would make much difference.  You might want to look into getting more RAM for your computer, if you are having a lot of problems with slow gameplay.

Personally I wouldn't advise turning off your virus protection in case you want to browse the internet whilst playing the game or in case you forget to turn it back on after playing.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 July 12, 22:00:29
It depends on your virus scan, your computer and the other programs running if closing them would help you any.
I close down anything I can get away with, including explorer.exe, but leave my virus scan on as well as my browser. Some virus scans are hogs though. Like Norton and it may help your game play to close that as well, but you should disconnect from the net before you do so and remember to turn it back on before you connect to the net again.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 July 13, 23:28:46
*witch bestows Reading Comprehension 101 on naravyn

You might find this handy if you wish to type like a grownup.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v730/nz_witch/shiftkey2.jpg)

Is it school holidays again? They seem to come round so fast.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lum on 2008 July 13, 23:53:02
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ok.. curious on something.. i have avoided buying any of the EPs/SPs with SecuRom on them so as to not get it on my comp, but if i am reading this post right, if i install the game but don't use the exe file that comes with it, securom won't get installed.. is that right? so basically, if i buy the games, get the no cd patch from the internet and use that instead from the very beginning, i won't have to deal with it. if its that easy, then i can begin to jump for joy and get more of my games. if not, please tell me.

Basically, that's it. Good summary of the whole situation, actually.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kyna on 2008 July 14, 01:27:58
As long as you're installing it on the administrator account on your PC.

If you install it using a non-admin account then the process is
- install from disc
- remove securom
- run from no-CD exe


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 14, 18:09:17
My praise for No CD cracks has dwindled some. I installed Freetime on my Admin. account, used the no CD crack and played for a few minutes to see if anything was working right. It was so I went to bed and haven't  been on for two days, but my sisters have. On Guest it crashes right at the load screen when it says Breaking Down Restorable Cars. I have tried 5 times and it always crashes at that exact moment. I wouldn't really care it's just that my sisters and I saved games are on Guest. We don't play on Admin. because we want all our Sims to meet each other and they can't do that on our different Admin. accounts. Secondly they tell me that not only does it crash on Guest but also  on their Admin accounts as well. So I made a new account just for Sims play with administrator access but not password protected so we can start from scratch. It worked find on there until you try to create a sim. You can stay on the create a sim screen for a few minutes then after that the whole thing crashes and I mean severely. Computer completely shuts down and I have to reboot. What is going on and how can I fix this? Also my sister's, well there's no other way of putting this, bootleg PC version of Final Fantasy 7 is messed up as well.  It's just like the no crack CD. She doesn't have to use a disk. She downloaded it from some website is all I know and it was working perfectly until I installed the no crack for Freetime. It now loads really small and when she tries to play the whole computer shuts down. Needless to say she's not that happy with me at the moment.  I want to free up some disk space by defraging but I'm worried it'll mess up the no crack(seems like the crack is messed up anyway but still...)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 July 14, 18:31:36
We don't play on Admin. because we want all our Sims to meet each other and they can't do that on our different Admin. accounts. Secondly they tell me that not only does it crash on Guest but also  on their Admin accounts as well.

So, what's going on here?  You all play from different admin accounts, but the 'hoods and saved stuff is stored on a different "guest" account?  Or are you transferring 'hoods between computers/accounts?  How do your sims all "meet" each other?  I'm assuming you are not transferring sims between neighbourhoods.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: fantasy on 2008 July 14, 19:11:31
We all have different Admin accounts to surf the net and save things that only we want to see and that's it. We play the Sims on Guest and always have. When I say our Sims can only meet on Guest that's exactly what I mean. I don't know any other way to put it. If we play on our different Admin accounts, and we did once when the base game first came out, we noticed that only the Sims we made where on it. Example if my sister made a Sim family on her Admin account they did not show up on mine or my other sister's, but when we make Sims on Guest we can see each other Sims and make our sims be friends with each other etc. I can't make it any clearer than that. Anyway that's not what I was asking. I just want to know why the no crack Is making my computer crash and how do I fix it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 July 14, 21:44:43
Sounds like you have a bad no-cd.exe.  Go to gamecopyworld, and download it again; make sure you get the right one for your EP and whatever patch level you're at.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Insanity Prelude on 2008 July 16, 05:11:26
Okay, did the regdelnull part and ran CureSecuROM. UAService7 doesn't exist, this being an admin account, and there's no "cmddlineext.dll" in the System32 folder either. Got the no-CD crack in (FT-patch 3 is 1.3somethingorother, right? It's working smoothly anyway.) Couldn't find a SecuROM folder anywhere in my documents (or, you know, anywhere, when running a search of the computer with hidden files viewable.) Am I done?

(Note: I'm on Vista. Not by choice, I assure you.)

Ugh. If I hadn't heard about false torrents and all this other crap, I'd seriously consider ARR-ing Apartment Life when it comes out. As it is, I may just ignore that EP entirely.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 July 16, 05:28:17
There isn't really a "False torrent" problem with high-profile items. That's just lies and propaganda sown by EAxis spies to scare people.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Solowren on 2008 July 16, 05:30:48
There isn't really a "False torrent" problem with high-profile items. That's just lies and propaganda sown by EAxis spies to scare people.

Exactly. Anything done by Vitality is safe to download- I think they've done pretty much every expansion pack.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Insanity Prelude on 2008 July 16, 05:54:02
Vitality. I'll keep that in mind.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 July 16, 06:06:59
Reloaded, is another name I've found reliable.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jungant on 2008 July 16, 07:39:36
In step 2, after I changed the directory to c:\windows\system32 using cd command and typed 'uaservice7/remove' I get a message saying 'uaservice7 is not recognized as an internal or external command, operatable program or batch file.' Did I do something wrong?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 July 16, 08:03:19
You probably just don't have that service. Different people have said they don't have all the bits listed. Probably depends on your setup. I'd just carry on with the rest of the instructions if I were you.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2008 July 16, 11:31:13
Anything done by Vitality is safe to download- I think they've done pretty much every expansion pack.
Not quite. Their Life Stories ISO and subsequent Repack got nuked. Eventually Reloaded released Proper.
Every major cracking group can drop the ball once in a while. Usually they release Repack, or other group will come up with Proper.

To be sure, you can always check whether any given release is Nuked (non-working, bad crack, etc.) or not at NFOHump (http://www.nfohump.com/index.php?switchto=nfos&menu=sections&sectionid=2). Hover over the nuke image to find out why it got Nuked.

Reloaded, is another name I've found reliable.
RZR DEV FLT. Ah good days.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: myskaal on 2008 July 16, 14:49:43
So I went through the steps in the topic post. At the end of it all I somehow lost my HAL.dll for windows.

Going through the steps to try to replace that now but as a heads up for less experienced users .. be careful what you're pressing and typing and if you're not sure find someone who's more experienced in deleting things through the command prompt.

I believe this problem occured when I went ahead with:
Quote
Issue the following command to show the two remaining hidden malformed files: "dir /A". To delete the two remaining hidden malformed files issue the following command: "del /F /AH *". Confirm "yes" for each of the two file deletions of the malformed files.

after not being able to find a SecuROM folder in my Documents and Settings subdirectories.

I only received one confirmation of a file to delete and simply following the instructions to confirm without actually looking at what it was I was confirming has created a massive mess I hope will not cause the loss of everything I had on my hard drive.


But thanks for this post. SecuROM is a nightmare and it's nice to have help around on getting rid of it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 July 16, 17:58:47
At the end of it all I somehow lost my HAL.dll for windows.
By chance had you recently installed Windows XP SP3?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: myskaal on 2008 July 16, 19:47:51
AFAIK, no. I will not say definately no. My computer did recently install some sort of windows update and reboot itself while I was at work. I only recall seeing the notice it had done so when I returned home and did not check to see what it had installed.

I've started a new topic in regards to my now totally borked computer on the Oops! board. After doing some research on the HAL.dll error I'm not sure if what's happened was caused by my removing SecuROM or if the messing around inside Windows' guts made the OS decide now was the best time to go tits up on me. (I've been waiting for it. I've gone a good 4 years on this install).
 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 July 19, 10:58:36
Not quite. Their Life Stories ISO and subsequent Repack got nuked. Eventually Reloaded released Proper.
Every major cracking group can drop the ball once in a while. Usually they release Repack, or other group will come up with Proper.
As a general rule, it doesn't really matter if it got nuked subsequently, that just means you need to go get the good crack which will probably be up on GCW. The ISO itself is still good.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zilla on 2008 July 20, 16:08:42
I've know this has been discussed, but I need to know for fact rather than hearsay.

After 3 weeks of endless problems with my rig that runs on Vista, I went out and bought a IMac. I have zero regrets making the switch, but when I bought the system I also bought a copy of IWorks, Photoshop Elements 6 and the Sims 2 base game.  I don't have any problems with IWork or Photoshop Elements but I have yet to install Sims 2 due to fear that it will mess with my new system.

I've done searches to see if Securom comes on the Mac version of the base game and have come up empty handed. All I can find is mention of the PC version. Are my concerns just in my head or is there a valid reason for my unwillingness to install it without knowing what I'll be loading into my system? If Securom is on it, will it act like a feral cat locked in a small room or will it behave itself?

I'm still trying to work through the issues on my Vista system. It's been a major pain in the ass with no answers to be found anywhere, but if I can atleast get answers to some of it's problems I can always keep my pixel people on that system and not bother loading it into this one.

















Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: seelindarun on 2008 July 21, 20:44:50
I don't have a definitive answer for you, but I have searched and asked all the macheads I know: the best information I have is that Aspyr has not used Securom on its ports of TS2.  The base game in particular has very little to no chance of having it, since even EA didn't use it until BV.  On mac versions just use your garden variety no-cd cracks on base game or any EPs.  No Suckrom exorcism necessary.  8)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Amairani on 2008 July 23, 11:24:55
Hi there,

I'm about to buy Bon Voyage, so I've been reading (and re-reading) all 31 page of this thread for the past few days but couldn't find a clear answer to this question:

the patch for BonVoyage is .exe file, so "to apply a patch" means to run this .exe file, but if it contains SecuRom, as I understood, won't it be installed on my PC once I click on it?

I'd greatly appreciate if someone could explain it to me, if I'm missing something.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2008 July 23, 11:36:23
the patch for BonVoyage is .exe file, so "to apply a patch" means to run this .exe file, but if it contains SecuRom, as I understood, won't it be installed on my PC once I click on it?

Securom is activated the first time you run game executable (Sims2EPx.exe), not patch executable. Installing a patch alone does not activate Securom. If you put the NoCD right after installing a patch, you should be fine.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Amairani on 2008 July 23, 12:31:29
the patch for BonVoyage is .exe file, so "to apply a patch" means to run this .exe file, but if it contains SecuRom, as I understood, won't it be installed on my PC once I click on it?

Securom is activated the first time you run game executable (Sims2EPx.exe), not patch executable. Installing a patch alone does not activate Securom. If you put the NoCD right after installing a patch, you should be fine.

Thank you for the prompt reply! :) Now I can safely install BonVoyage, apply the official patch v1.10.0.130, replace the original .exe file with the one from gamecopyworld and finally send my Sims to vacation  ;D

Thanks to all people contributing to this thread, you all are truly awesome.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Roux on 2008 July 23, 13:20:11
Amairani, as long as you're installing onto an Administrator account, you will be just fine. Also, make sure the cracked .exe is for the patched version of Bon Voyage.

If the account does not have Administrator permissions, SecuRom will be installed when the game is installed, i.e. before you even run the game. You'll have to remove Securom before applying the cracked .exe.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Amairani on 2008 July 23, 13:44:07
Amairani, as long as you're installing onto an Administrator account, you will be just fine. Also, make sure the cracked .exe is for the patched version of Bon Voyage.

If the account does not have Administrator permissions, SecuRom will be installed when the game is installed, i.e. before you even run the game. You'll have to remove Securom before applying the cracked .exe.

Hey Roux :)

Administrator account is the only account I have, I'm the only one using my PC, so no problems here. As for the cracked .exe, it's "The Sims 2: Bon Voyage v1.10.0.130 [MULTI16] No-CD/Fixed EXE" on gamecopyworld. This one should replace the original .exe after I patch the game with official patch from Sims2 site and then make sure the desktop's shortcut point to that cracked .exe.


Title: Re: A hello, and a couple of questions
Post by: Faizah on 2008 July 27, 00:47:32
You just need one no-CD exe, to replace the one you use to run the game. In this case, Free Time.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Kazzandra on 2008 July 27, 00:49:50
Bastdawn: I see what you did there. And it saved my pointy stick from needing another sharpening.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Craigbear on 2008 July 28, 09:28:34
I installed BV from disk and tried the no cd crack and keep comming up with this error i am a new poster on this site so please be nice. LOL anyway here is the error "failed to enumerate any directx9 graphics adapters on this system". Maybe i missed something im not sure.

Please help as i really liked playing with BV installed.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 July 28, 14:10:49
That happened with a bad crack, I think -- try getting a new version from gamecopyworld and see if that fixes the problem.  Also, make sure you start the game from the no-cd.exe, and not from the launcher.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Craigbear on 2008 July 28, 19:06:52
Ok tried what you said and it worked except a few odd things. There is something called flt-tsbv on my desktop kind of looks like a monitor and also on the start menu instead of the picture at the top that i chose there is a circle kind of looks like a pie menu with green,red,blue and yellow and a green checkmark. Can you tell me what that is?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: talysman on 2008 July 28, 19:31:24
That happened with a bad crack, I think -- try getting a new version from gamecopyworld and see if that fixes the problem.  Also, make sure you start the game from the no-cd.exe, and not from the launcher.

No, it's caused by the crack being in the wrong folder. It has to go in the TSBin folder, where the SecuROM-infected EXE is. I made the same mistake, but fortunately remembered another thread that mentioned the same error.

I have no idea what Craigbear's second comment is about, but it sounds like, somehow, the system video tools are linked to shortcuts on the desktop. Pictures mean nothing. Right-click on the icon, select "Properties", and tell us what it says, Craigbear.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Craigbear on 2008 July 28, 20:23:02
I fixed the problem thank you both for your help im just happy to ba able to play BV again.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 July 29, 13:11:08
You can add screen size on the command line (details in the readme that comes with the game), but it's easier (and permanent) to do it within the game.  Go to the graphics options and pick the size that's the same as your widescreen.  If that size doesn't exist, then you have to edit the graphicsrules.scr file in your games ...TSDATA/RES/CONFIG folder to add the proper settings.  Do a search on 'graphicrules.scr' here to find older messages with complete details on how to do this.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Rhaevyn on 2008 July 31, 22:08:03
I have SecuROM.  I am going to be getting rid of it.  It's just coming down to a choice of going through the lengthy instructions here or a restore of my system and starting over.  But I have a question.  After reading through this entire thread, and some other information about this file, I'm curious what exactly has been happening to everyone as a result of this file - exactly, I mean, what are your personal experiences from having this file invade your computer?  From what I've read it supposedly keeps games from starting, or makes them crash.  Have any of you lost data or had any kind of damage?  I don't want it, I think it's very wrong for them to force it on us, but I really don't even understand what it does, to be honest, I mean the bad things it can do, not what THEY want it to do.

The only problems I've had so far, since installing the game on my newly upgraded machine, were the errors I shared in my other thread that I've had closed down (missing game files - per JM).  I've since spent a day re-installing, and now I'm getting an artifact on my cursor when I enter the game, along with a flickering mouse cursor.  It also started happening in another online game I play.  From what I can tell, it's not interfering with game play, it's just annoying as hell.

I had the computer looked over by the guy who built it for me.  He reinstalled the motherboard and video card drivers and was unable to determine what is causing the anomaly - it still lives.  Do you all think it's SecuROM?  If not, any suggestions?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Jelenedra on 2008 July 31, 22:37:37
What kind of artifact is it?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Rhaevyn on 2008 July 31, 23:56:55
The guy who built my computer said that's what it's called (an artifact).  My cursor flickers and has a squarish thing behind it wherever you move it.  It looks like it's trying to copy bits of the desktop or something.  It only happens when you launch a game.  I only have two games at the moment:  Sims 2 and WoW.  It doesn't happen anywhere else, like on websites or desktop.  Only in games. 

I entered a house in Sims and as I moved around the lot I noticed a circle around my cursor outside the house.  It was night time and there was snow on the ground.  There was a dark circle, like a shadow, around the cursor wherever I moved.  The cursor was flickering.

It's the strangest thing.  I've not stayed in the game for any extended period of time yet so not sure if it would actually go bonkers although the sound did stutter a bit upon loading, which it hadn't done previously.  I'm going to try and remove the dreaded file and get the crack first and see if that kills it.  And I'm still curious about my question.  I honestly want to know what this file does to people's computers.

If all else fails, I'll go ahead and do the wipe/restore.  I've just been through so much over the past few weeks since getting my upgrades done I'm exhausted and would like to actually play a game on my computer.  Novel concept as it may be.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: snowbawl on 2008 August 01, 00:03:33
Sounds more like a graphics issue...
SecuROM treats my drive as though it does not exist when starting my game.  Or I get the insert original disc message.  Simply put, I have to jump through hoops to start my game.  This has only applied to TS2.  I have never had any other problems with other games.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: TimeStop on 2008 August 01, 20:34:13
Alright, so I've read the entirety of this topic (to which I am heretoforth eternally greatful) and the only question I've still got in regards to avoiding SecuROM is this:

Is there any benefit to buying the EPs as many people on this topic still seem ready to do if you are simply going to use a No-CD anyway besides the legal side of it and perhaps getting a serial number?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2008 August 01, 21:06:30
Alright, so I've read the entirety of this topic (to which I am heretoforth eternally greatful) and the only question I've still got in regards to avoiding SecuROM is this:

Is there any benefit to buying the EPs as many people on this topic still seem ready to do if you are simply going to use a No-CD anyway besides the legal side of it and perhaps getting a serial number?

I like to own a physical copy of the disk--call it a security blanket--and to be at least nominally legal.  But the only purely practical benefit to using a legit copy as opposed to non-legit is that you don't have to mess with torrents or Daemon Tools or any of that to install the thing.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 August 01, 21:14:12
You don't actually run RegDelNull. You just install it on C:\. Then go to the Windows command prompt and follow the rest of the directions.

For those of us non techie types: How do I install it on c:\ and get the directions?

You download the regdelnull application as directed and save it to your C:\ drive's root directory.  If you get it zipped, make sure you unzip it so that the file in C:\ is called regdelnull.exe.  Then you follow the directions on the first page of this thread.  Install = put it on the C:\ drive in this case.

If you are still having difficulty figuring this out, you may wish to ask a friend/family member more familiar with DOS commands to help you.  Playing with the registry without any knowledge of what you are doing may be hazardous to your system's health.  If you proceed, follow directions EXACTLY as written in the tutorial.

(to which I am heretoforth eternally greatful)

We have a similar words in English:  "henceforth" and "grateful".

Is there any benefit to buying the EPs as many people on this topic still seem ready to do if you are simply going to use a No-CD anyway besides the legal side of it and perhaps getting a serial number?

Hmmm.  That's a tough one.  Let's see.  Many of us don't care about the legal side, since we don't care to give out a lot of personal information and so we don't register our games anyway.  So much for the legal side.  If you arrr! a copy of the game, there are keygens which take care of all that "protection" crap - so much for needing the serial number.  If you use an arrr! copy and a no-cd crack, you don't run the risk of having suck-u-ROM debilitate your machine.

Nope, you got me.  I can see no particular advantage or benefit, apart from having the colourful and friendly looking CD case with the official "artwork" to clutter up your bookshelf.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: TimeStop on 2008 August 02, 01:20:31

But the only purely practical benefit to using a legit copy as opposed to non-legit is that you don't have to mess with torrents or Daemon Tools or any of that to install the thing.

So the No-CD is like any other "arr!"ed program once you install it as opposed to something that functions within the installation of the legal copy of the game then. Although I suppose that isn't really a question as it's kind of redundant; that just makes sense.
 

And sorry for my inability to use proper English.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2008 August 02, 01:37:12

So the No-CD is like any other "arr!"ed program once you install it as opposed to something that functions within the installation of the legal copy of the game then. Although I suppose that isn't really a question as it's kind of redundant; that just makes sense.
 
And sorry for my inability to use proper English.

It basically just replaces the game's .exe file with an exact duplicate minus the SecuROM.  Everything else comes off the CD, torrent, whatever you used to install.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 August 02, 03:40:41
I'm worried about you, timestop.  I reread my post where I said "an arrr! copy AND a no-cd crack".  You can also use the bought disk and a no-cd crack, but the no-cd crack just replaces the .exe file that starts the game, and, as Amber said, is securom free.  You still have to have the game, one way or the  other.  You gotta read all the words if you're going to manage the remove securom instructions.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 August 02, 04:19:46
I have SecuROM.  I am going to be getting rid of it.  It's just coming down to a choice of going through the lengthy instructions here or a restore of my system and starting over.  But I have a question.  After reading through this entire thread, and some other information about this file, I'm curious what exactly has been happening to everyone as a result of this file - exactly, I mean, what are your personal experiences from having this file invade your computer?  From what I've read it supposedly keeps games from starting, or makes them crash.  Have any of you lost data or had any kind of damage?  I don't want it, I think it's very wrong for them to force it on us, but I really don't even understand what it does, to be honest, I mean the bad things it can do, not what THEY want it to do.

My personal experience was a fire wall that was repeatedly turned off, virus scan and Adaware that was not allowed to update or run properly and "Emulation software detected" even though there was none installed during some of those attempts. Someone I know online had to replace her cd drive though, I trust her to be pc literate enough to believe her when she says that Securom was the culprit. No matter what they did, they could no longer get the pc to recognize the drive, the shop they brought it to seemed to believe that it was also the problem.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: TimeStop on 2008 August 02, 11:16:11
You gotta read all the words if you're going to manage the remove securom instructions.

I don't have SecuROM, so I'm not really worried about the removal aspect of it. I'm not even sure if I want to install any of the newer EPs, I was just curious as to how it worked. And I see that I worded things wrong - what I meant was that the No-CD does require a game because it is, as you say, just the .exe, but it doesn't require something within the legal version of the game.

No need to worry about me even if I do sound like I'll mess something up - just tell me what it is so that I can figure it out. I never mess around with anything I'm unsure of on my PC until I know everything I need to to do it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: geekgirl on 2008 August 03, 04:52:12
I entered a house in Sims and as I moved around the lot I noticed a circle around my cursor outside the house.  It was night time and there was snow on the ground.  There was a dark circle, like a shadow, around the cursor wherever I moved.  The cursor was flickering.


That's normal. there's an option to disable it somewhere in the graphics options - it's called "x-ray cursor," and it is actually useful if you need to find newspapers under the snow, or things like that.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 August 04, 19:19:48
I just rewrote the opening post a bit to make it more general, since EA is still using this invasive piece of crap. Below is a summary of the general questions that have been asked in the past 32 pages with answers so as to cut down on repeats.

Random Questions that have popped up since the opening post:
  • Can I still patch the game?
    Yes. Just make sure to wait for a patched no-CD .exe to be released. This usually happens within a week of the patch.
  • Can I play with a patched game and an old no-CD? I can't wait and I really want the patch!
    Can you? Sure you can. Should you? Heck no.
  • I ran through the instructions, but on one of the steps, there was nothing to delete? Did I screw up?
    Try it once more just to make sure, but you probably are fine. Some people don't have all of the files/registry entries due to their PC's particular setup.
  • I heard that no-CDs cause Build or Buy modes to not show up, or other bugs.
    This has happened in the past, with some of the early EPs, but I haven't heard of it occurring with any cracks from Seasons on. If this happens, get another no-CD. Go with the big well-known names: Fairlight, Demonoid, and ViTaLiTy.
  • I can't see the UserData folder thing with the files I'm supposed to delete!!!!11!1
    Open up "My Computer". Navigate to C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR NAME HERE. On the window's menu bar, hit Tools, then Folder Options. Click the View tab. Under "Hidden files and folders" make sure to click on the "Show hidden files and folders" radial button. (Insert beef about Windows hiding crap from computer owners for no valid reason here). Click OK. Now click on the new light-colored folder called Application Data. See a folder called SecuRom? Yay.
  • I heard that I could just rename this one file or change this to read-only and that would remove SecuROM.
    Lies. All lies. The only way to stop SecuROM from being installed or activated is to run with a no-CD version that disables SecuROM.
  • I hate this SecuROM crap! What can I do about it.
    First, vote with your wallet. Second, make it clear that is what you are doing to EA. Third, you might be interested in this site: http://the-sas.org/.
  • But what does it actually do?
    Issues that can be caused by SecuRom:
    1. Causes some CD-burning programs not to work. Known targets: Nero, Sonic, Alcohol 120.
    2. Causes some anti-virus programs to stall during a scan, not start a scan, or report subscriptions as expired. Known targets: Norton, McAfee.
    3. Causes issues with running the game from CD on initial install or on reinstall. This is especially bad since EAxis' solution to everything is to tell us to reinstall the game. Users get the message to enter the original game CD instead of a backup, even though they are using the original game CD.
    4. Rumored to actually break CD readers. While this is technically not possible, one user did report that they had been trying to burn a CD right before bed and when they woke up, Nero was still stalled and the CD writer had misaligned. Unnecessary wear-and-tear, if you will.
    5. Possible security risk through rootkit set-up.
    Please do not post asking everyone to let you know what SecuROM has done to them in this thread. It unnecessarily clogs things up. Go to the site linked two points above, use your friendly neighborhood SEARCH function, or post a separate thread.
  • Does SecuROM come with other games? Because I have it and I don't know where I got it from.
    Sure does. See here www.gameburnworld.com/protectedgameslist.shtml for a current list of games. If you are still unsure, do a quick search on your engine of choice for the game name and SecuROM.
  • Does SecuROM come with the Mac version?
    As of this posting, no.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: catpaw on 2008 August 06, 21:34:18
I just installed Bon Voyage, and I used the patched no-CD crack from www.gameburnworld.com, and loaded the game. The game played fine, except when I went to make a pet in CAS, the pets were all invisible! The breed options showed up, but the fur and coat options didn't display. I created a cat, and the cat was invisible (and noiseless too), except the family still interacted with it. When a stray dog walked by the lot, the dog's ears were missing, and there was a blank space where the ears should have been. I tested several neighbourhoods, and they all had the same problem. Is this a problem with this particular crack, and is there another site where I could download a better version?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 August 07, 02:29:36
Is this a problem with this particular crack, and is there another site where I could download a better version?
I doubt it's the crack, but Gamecopyworld is where most here get their cracks. It seems more like it would be either a custom issue or more likely, a corrupted game file.
Try the new crack, test without cc, if the problem is still there, you may have to back up your user files and reinstall pets.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 August 07, 03:53:53
I compared the cracks at Gamecopyworld and Gameburnworld. Both appear to be the same size and state they are by Hatred.

Someone else reported a similar issue on MTS2 as well as some random forum where the question wasn't answered. Unfortunately MTS2 isn't loading at the moment (figures).

EDIT: Thread at MTS2 here (http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?t=222374). No solution given, but people were having this issue without CC and no one stated they were using a crack. Try a reinstall. Make sure graphics card drivers are up-to-date.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Craigbear on 2008 August 12, 20:49:02
I have a question please? I want to install and play freetime but the only craks available are for DVD and i have CD version. Will those work with my game and also there are several versions how do i know which one to download and use?

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 August 12, 21:36:55
It's the same thing. The crack works with both DvD and CD versions. As for the one you need, if you patch FreeTime you will need the crack with the highest version number, and the latest release date. If you choose not to patch, you'd need the one with the lowest version number and earliest release date.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Craigbear on 2008 August 13, 02:10:09
Hi i downloaded the crack with the highest number version one from gamecopy world and one from gameburn world i extracted both and all that gets extracted is a system information file and nothing else. Can someone help me out as i did the same thing with BV and that was much easier. Maybe i need to take out the no-cd crack for BV first? I should add the crack i am talking about id for FT.

Thanks.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: floopyboo on 2008 August 15, 01:03:10
You've probably put the file in the wrong spot. It needs to go directly in C: - not in a folder within C:


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: TimeStop on 2008 August 17, 21:04:08
I don't claim to be an expert so you may not want to take anything I say definitively. But it looks like where they discuss that is in reference to the deleting keys section. So I would say yes, but I don't know that if I were you I would delete it just because I (not being you) said so.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragonballz on 2008 August 28, 15:38:27
I bow to you and do pennance your feet. I grovel. Thank you for this info. Now to see if my Apt. Life crack will finally work as every time I try to load and install I get a big red x in a window titled "Sims 2".  ???


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 August 28, 16:48:08
Delete groups.cache from My Documents/Sims 2/. Sometimes it gets pissy.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lion on 2008 August 28, 17:30:32
I have Free Time version SecuRom, and I need to get rid of it before AL. I followed the Zazazu's instruction. When I have questions, I search the thread and find answers. I've got Step 3 down (uaservice7 not found because I installed in an administrative account).

Now for Step 4, I do not have Securom folder in Application Data. Windows explorer has been configured to show hidden files and folders. I clicked all the "light-colored" Application Data in every account in my "Documents and Settings". I even searched in Documents and Settings, with "search for hidden files and folders" on. No SecuRom folder.

[Edited for more info] In the registry (through regedit), I do have Securom folder under HKEY_CURRENT_USER---Software---. Should I just do what point 2 says:"Double check your registry files. Still see any keys under HKEY_CURRENT_USER---Software---Securom? Just delete the suckers. Won't blow up."?

Or should I follow Li'l Brudder's instruction instead? :
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3. Download "TrashReg" and derar it.  Run it.  Look for the !DO NOT DELETE! key by going to File...Find Keys with NULL -embedded names...Check ALL boxes.
4. Right click the !DO NOT DELETE! key and delete it.
5. Download and run CureSecuROMeng.  It'll do its thing.
6. Open up RegEdit again and try to find SecuROM.  If it is gone, yey.  If not, you fail at life.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 August 28, 18:57:45
I think you can do either one, whichever seems simpler to you.  I used the regedit method as it seemed more direct.  As long as you follow instructions exactly, there should be no problems.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lion on 2008 August 29, 14:13:09
Thanks, jolrei, for confirming. I deleted those entries in the registry. (Fingers crossed...) Isn't it odd that I don't have SecuRom folder?

Finally, I can get to AL. I'm going to buy the game, and gamecopyworld has two cracks (http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_the_sims_2_apartment_life.shtml). Which one should I use? The one for MULTI16 looks easier, but I have US version. Anybody used this crack? Is it good?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2008 August 29, 14:21:26
There is only ONE crack, the other one is No-DVD/Fixed Image to use with YASU/Daemon Tools.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragonarts on 2008 August 30, 01:04:17
Thanks, jolrei, for confirming. I deleted those entries in the registry. (Fingers crossed...) Isn't it odd that I don't have SecuRom folder?

Finally, I can get to AL. I'm going to buy the game, and gamecopyworld has two cracks (http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_the_sims_2_apartment_life.shtml). Which one should I use? The one for MULTI16 looks easier, but I have US version. Anybody used this crack? Is it good?

And, yes, that version of the no-CD works for US version. It's what I'm using successfully, anyway.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Moon on 2008 August 30, 03:20:51
You'll have to indulge my current ignorance as it has been a LONG time since I have been able to play TS2.

If I remember correctly, the game played from the last game installed, not necessarily from the newest EP.

So, could I install all my new stuff, and install say, Nightlife last.. could I still play from the disc and avoid suckurom?

Or do I remember incorrectly, and would I still have to get a No CD for Apartment Life?

I ask simply because No CD cracks would be new territory for me and I'm a big chicken. Bawk bawk.

ETA: I am clearly a moron and of course that is not the case. Now I get to wade into the world of No CD cracks for the first time.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lorelei on 2008 August 30, 06:05:17
The game looks for the most recent EP, so installing them out of order won't make the last installed EP the default EP, it will just bork the proper loading of the EPs and SPs and the functionality of the game. It shouldn't, but sometimes EA Games do things they shouldn't.

In short, get the No-CD for AL.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: PlayLives on 2008 September 02, 04:14:41
Don't have Securom (I don't think, running Admin account, don't see anything) and no FreeTime patches installed but now about to install ApartmentLife, so I'm confused about order...

Option 1:  Check/Remove Securom; install FT patches 1, 2 and/or 3 (?) ; install AL ; remove securom again(?) ; run from no crack CD
or
Option 2: Install FT patches 1, 2 and/or 3 (?) ; install AL ; check/remove securom(?) ; run from no crack CD


Option 1 seems like unnecessary work but I want to make sure my computer is/stays clean.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mildlydisguised on 2008 September 02, 11:30:28
If you have already checked and do not have Securom on your machine, then unless you run the original .exe from any EP after BV then you will not reinfect your machine.  Therefore I would go with option 2, you can always check for Securom after you put the AL crack in, if you are paranoid.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: moparopie on 2008 September 04, 22:27:40
Love this guide!  It helped me fix my "can't find cd" error the game was throwing.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 September 05, 00:20:26
Love this guide!  It helped me fix my "can't find cd" error the game was throwing.

Well fancy that!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 September 08, 20:12:26
It has been noted that, if you install your game on an administrator account, you may not get the registry entries or the securom directory on your system.  YMMV.

If you run the tests and no registry entries for securom are found, rejoice.  Have a nice cup of tea (to borrow a currently common sentiment).

Load the proper no-cd crack.  You should be good to go.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Hellyes on 2008 September 12, 22:32:47
how about an uninstaller guys? i managed to get them to give it to me. had to twist a few arms though. but here it is":

(supposedly this came from Securom personnel)..

" Hello.

Please start the SecuROM Uninstaller tool with the parameter /fulluninstall, afterwards everything should be removed.

Please find below the instructions:

Code:
http://www.securom.com/support/SecuROM_Uninstaller.zip

Please download it, extract the application file and follow the instructions below:

WARNING:
Hey everyone, I just want to warn you all.  Don't download this file from Tigerlover!  An AVG Scan says it contains a trojan.  Trojan horse SHeur.CILH

Only question I have is, why is the SecuROM support website giving out a link for a file that has a trojan horse in it?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Diala on 2008 September 13, 06:27:40
WARNING:
Hey everyone, I just want to warn you all.  Don't download this file from Tigerlover!  An AVG Scan says it contains a trojan.  Trojan horse SHeur.CILH

Only question I have is, why is the SecuROM support website giving out a link for a file that has a trojan horse in it?

According to some of the results of the Google search of SHeur (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=SHeur&btnG=Search) (a direct search of SHeur.CILH didn't turn up anything), it could very well be a false positive. However, there is also this brief report on Microsoft's Malware Proection Center (http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/SearchResults.aspx?query=SHeur.bzpu). Hmm.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Bronxboy on 2008 September 17, 20:38:31
Hello all, first time posting, as I too have been having issues with the game & my pc in general after installing AL and I would like to remove SecuRom and use the No-CD crack.

I will be attempting to remove SecuRom tonight via the instructions here, but I just have one question: I see a few people mention the No-CD patch for AL, and I'm not quite sure what thats means, as all I found on GameCopyWorld was a No-CD crack. Is this a hacked version of the official patch that will eventually be out for AL? I'm new to all this stuff, so please forgive my noobishness. :)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jsalemi on 2008 September 17, 23:16:51
The no-cd crack is what you want -- it replaces the game .exe.  Save your original .exe somewhere (I just zip it up and leave it in the same folder), because you'll need to restore it when the patch comes out so the patch can be applied.  You'll need to get a new no-cd.exe for the patched version, though, so don't be in a rush to patch until the revised .exe is available.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Bronxboy on 2008 September 18, 02:35:54
Okay, so I've managed to delete SecuRom (I think I did it right! lol. No errors!) and apply the No-CD crack, because the game loaded with it. Go me!

Thanks for explaining about the patch and the updated NO-CD crack, I will be patient until I see the new version - whenever that is! However, one quick question: Should I not keep the original EXE just out in the open in the same folder as the NO-CD one? I renamed the crack and the game loaded up fine, with the original EXE in the same folder.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: kutto on 2008 September 18, 02:41:55
Where is your shortcut pointing to, out of curiosity? Just having a crack does not mean you are running it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 September 18, 02:45:06
Okay, so I've managed to delete SecuRom (I think I did it right! lol. No errors!) and apply the No-CD crack, because the game loaded with it. Go me!

Thanks for explaining about the patch and the updated NO-CD crack, I will be patient until I see the new version - whenever that is! However, one quick question: Should I not keep the original EXE just out in the open in the same folder as the NO-CD one? I renamed the crack and the game loaded up fine, with the original EXE in the same folder.

Yes, you can keep the original .exe in the folder.  My question now is, if you renamed the no-cd.exe the same name as the original, did it not overwrite the original?  Or did you rename the original something else first?

I generally name the no-cd crack something like ALno-cd.exe, and point the shortcut to it, leaving the original .exe intact.  That way I don't have to rename things again when I want to install a new EP.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Bronxboy on 2008 September 18, 04:04:55
Yes, I left the original .EXE with the original name, and named the crack ALNOCD.exe actually! :)

I didn't rename the original .EXE in case the crack wouldn't work and I would need to use the original method. Thankfully though, its all working. I have the CD away in its case and the game running all by itself. ;)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: butheircousins on 2008 September 24, 14:21:23
i heard that simrom causes problems with lots of peoples computers but my computers have never had problems with it i am going to live simron on for now but if there are problems i will take it off


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Milhouse Trixibelle Saltfucker III on 2008 September 24, 14:29:44
By the gods, are you retarded? Seriously. Who could possibly be this stupid? Probably a sock; my money is on The Tard's sock, sent to make her seem wonderful in comparison, so that her return would be made better for her.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 September 24, 19:23:18
simrom - the new STD. Snork.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 September 24, 21:34:17
By the gods, are you retarded? Seriously. Who could possibly be this stupid? Probably a sock; my money is on The Tard's sock, sent to make her seem wonderful in comparison, so that her return would be made better for her.
Interesting thought.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Triskele on 2008 September 24, 22:51:58
Thank you for giving me an option in regards to killing this little bastard of a program.
My laptop is getting renamed in honour of its saviour. I think I've lost a third of the functionality since this got itself nestled in my registry.
I'll refrain from cursing in text though.
I hope they win the lawsuit.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: seelindarun on 2008 September 27, 22:54:14
I realise this is a long thread, but Zazazu answered this question already.  Please search.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2008 September 29, 04:14:38
I uninstalled SecuRom successfully... or so I'm hoping.  I'm not even really sure how it got on my computer, but that's not the issue at hand here.  However, if anyone knows if SecuRom was included in the free Spore Creature Creator demo, let me know, as that would be incredibly stupid to put an anti-piracy program on a demo...
It was. Copy protection is placed on demos because of the belief that crackers will use the demo as a "known plaintext" to attack from. What it REALLY accomplishes is simply giving them something to examine before the game even comes out.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Triskele on 2008 September 29, 17:35:20
Anyone have any idea about my other question?

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/704675

Does this help?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 September 29, 17:57:19
Anyone have any idea about my other question?
It sounds like you skipped Step 3:

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3. If that damned SecuRom folder still can't be deleted, even after correctly following the instructions above, download DelinvFile from http://www.purgeie.com/delinv/dldelinv.htm . Run the executable and find the C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR NAME HERE\Application Data\Securom folder and open the sub-folder. (Sorry, mine's gone, but I believe it was named "User Data"). On the right, choose each malformed file and delete. Go back into My Computer and delete that SecuRom folder for once and all.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: vecki on 2008 September 30, 01:45:40
I finally got around to downloading the no-cd crack for Apartment Life and removing SecuROM from my computer.  I hadn't had any problems with SecuROM that I knew about, which is why I took so long to get around to it, but just knowing it was there was starting to grate on me.

This was not fun given that the instructions were for PCs with XP, and Vista does stuff differently because it wants to wrap you in cotton wool and tell you that you're not smart enough to do this.  So I spent a lot of time googling how to do stuff under Vista which would have been simple under XP (well, simple following the instructions, anyway).

I think I'll have to run CCleaner at some point because when I next rebooted the computer, there was some sort of error in the startup files (not sure what - I didn't pay enough attention, and it didn't seem to cause any problems in the stuff that I used).  If it comes up again I'll take a screenshot.

ETA: Bloody computer made a liar out of me.  No error on startup this time.  Hmph.

ETA (Again): just checked out my registry files.  Securom found its nasty way back in there despite using the no-cd crack.  The computer was happy to let me delete the folder though so I don't know if I did it WRONG or if this is meant to happen?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: seelindarun on 2008 September 30, 19:00:56
I'm too ignorant to help with whether you did it wrong, but maybe it would be a good idea to post what you did in tutorial form, as in the top of this thread?  It would make it easier for others who know more to point out where you might have taken a wrong turn.  Also, I imagine more people will have to adopt Vista and your findings will be useful for them, if only as an initial draft.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: vecki on 2008 October 01, 01:24:44
Apologies for big long quotes in advance - this is what I had to do differently in the EVIL world of Vista.

How do I get rid of that nasty, interfering DRM?
Quote from: muridae
Download regdelnull.exe and place it in C:\
Go to "Run" and type in "cmd", then type the following:

cd C:\
regdelnull hkcu -s
regdelnull hku -s
 
The two regdelnull calls above will scan the whole of HKEY_CURRENT_USER (abbreviated to HKCU) and HKEY_USERS (abbreviated to HKU). It's possible you may find other null registry keys during the scans, since you're not targeting *just* the SecuROM keys doing it this way. regdelnull will prompt you with the full pathname of every key it finds though, which will contain the name "SecuROM" if it's one of the ones you're after, so you can check names and only respond "y" to delete those two.

This worked normally.

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Follow the guidelines below ripped from http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/98241-13-remove-securom-malware-uninstalling-bioshock-demo:
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* Step 3: Removal of the Securom service and related utilities.
Open a Windows command prompt and change directory to "c:\windows\system32". Type "uaservice7 /remove". This will stop the Securom user access service, and clean up its relevant registry entries. On the Windows command prompt type "regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll". Reboot and then manually delete the files "uaservice7.exe" and "cmdlineext.dll" from "c:\windows\system32". Note: Both of these files are Securom installed files which can be verified by checking their file properties (Right click - Properties).

This also worked normally, aside from uaservice7.exe not appearing in the directory.  That could simply be a configuration thing (and I've seen it mentioned in thread so I'm not too distressed about it)
 
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* Step 4: Removal of Securom files under "C:\Documents and Settings".
Securom installs a hidden directory with 6 files under "C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Administrator name>\Application Data\Securom". The first 4 ordinary text files can simply be manually deleted once Windows explorer has been configured to show hidden files and folders. The two remaining malformed nominally unremoveable files require a special method to delete: Invoke a Windows command prompt with full Administrator privileges by typing the following into a Windows command prompt: "at <your current time + 1 minute> /interactive %systemroot%\system32\cmd.exe" e.g. "at 9:02pm /interactive %systemroot%\system32\cmd.exe". This will open a new Administrator command line when the time set has been attained.
/

This was a little different.  Vista denied access to schedule running cmd as an adminstrator (this is where it protects you from yourself, because obviously, if you can enter the command as above, you're obviously going to do something which will make your computer asplode ::) ).  Instead of going into Command prompt and then scheduling it to run as an administrator, click on the 'start' button, if cmd doesn't automatically come up in the list, type cmd in the search box, when it does appear, right click on it and choose 'Run as administrator'.

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In this new command prompt change directory into the Securom folder e.g. "cd C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Administrator name>\Application Data\Securom". Issue the following command to show the two remaining hidden malformed files: "dir /A". To delete the two remaining hidden malformed files issue the following command: "del /F /AH *". Confirm "yes" for each of the two file deletions of the malformed files. Finally, the directory "C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Administrator name>\Application Data\Securom" can be deleted as per normal practice from within Windows explorer.

Instead of typing "del /F /AH *", because that didn't seem to delete the files, I typed "del *.*".  When I then ran a dir /a, the files were gone.  The Securom folder was then happy to be removed as per the above.

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2. Double check your registry files. Still see any keys under HKEY_CURRENT_USER---Software---Securom? Just delete the suckers. Won't blow up.

Yup.

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3. If that damned SecuRom folder still can't be deleted, even after correctly following the instructions above, download DelinvFile from http://www.purgeie.com/delinv/dldelinv.htm . Run the executable and find the C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR NAME HERE\Application Data\Securom folder and open the sub-folder. (Sorry, mine's gone, but I believe it was named "User Data"). On the right, choose each malformed file and delete. Go back into My Computer and delete that SecuRom folder for once and all.

N/A for me so don't know if there was anything different.

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4. To not get it again, you need to start loading from a no-CD crack. I get mine at gamecopyworld.com. I recommend any versions by Fairlight. Make sure that, if you have patched your game, you get the patched version of the crack. Go to "C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 LAST EP\TSBin" and change the name of the crack to whatever you like. Then place the crack in the same folder. Make a shortcut to this on your desktop, and run the game from this new shortcut.

Yup.  This worked exactly the same.

Last night after playing off the no-cd, I idly went into Registry and noticed Securom had snuck back into the registry files.  However like I mentioned in my previous post it had no qualms about being deleted again, and didn't appear in my Application Data directories (yes, I made sure hidden files and folders were visible), so not sure if there's a problem there or not.

EDIT - Played again last night, Securom didn't find its way back in that time.  Vecki's inconsistent computer behaves inconsistently. ::)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: gfitz on 2008 October 04, 02:46:34
I have followed the steps here to remove SR but I have a question and a problem. I found a folder in my Programs called PACE Anti Piracy. Anyone know what that is? I only have Sims stuff installed on this PC. Also in my registry, there is a folder called Brain Drain? Don't know if that is related or not...

Now the problem...the no cd crack will not launch my game. I had downloaded it so I didn't have a CD. I put the crack in the appropriate folder for BV and tried naming it alternately Sims2EP6.exe or Sims2Launcher.exe. The game will not load. Is that because I didn't use a CD to install?

And the no CD crack is a 7z file so I don't even no if renaming it is right or if I need to "unzip" it?

Any help is appreciated. And thanks SO MUCH for this thread.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: mitchellcjs on 2008 October 04, 04:43:24
PACE Anti Piracy is a security program bundled with some new PCs.  Could it have come with your computer when you purchased it?  I don't know about the Brain Drain.  As for .7z files: there is a program called 7zip that you need to "unzip" these file types.  7zip is an excellent program.  You can get it here (http://www.7zip.org).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: gfitz on 2008 October 04, 07:19:23
PACE Anti Piracy is a security program bundled with some new PCs.  Could it have come with your computer when you purchased it?  I don't know about the Brain Drain.  As for .7z files: there is a program called 7zip that you need to "unzip" these file types.  7zip is an excellent program.  You can get it here (http://www.7zip.org).
Ah...thank you for that. I figured 7zip files needed to be unzipped but I downloaded the application and get nothing but a quick flash of a window like a command prompt window. Maybe I did it wrong. Either way, I can't get the no CD crack to work.

But thank you for the info!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: WhiteQueen on 2008 October 05, 13:50:13
Well, the time has come for me to finally get rid of SecuROM from my computer as AL is fucking me up big time.  My plan is to uninstall all of the games (something I've been meaning to do for a while anyway), remove SecuROM, reinstall the games in order, and use a no-cd crack.  Unfortunately, I can't even get past the first step.  I've been trying to download RegDelNull from here - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/sysinternals/bb897448.aspx (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/sysinternals/bb897448.aspx) - since yesterday morning, but I keep getting "a connection to the server could not be established" error.  Every other link I've found leads back to that page.  I don't suppose anyone still has it on their computer and can upload it?  Or am I doomed to delete the offending files directly from the registry?   

Also, I'm sure I know the answer to this one, but I'll ask anyway.  The latest crack from Vitality at gamecopyworld says to apply the official patch first and then replace the exe.  I've never patched my games and don't feel the need to start, so can I ignore that instruction, or should I use the older link from Reloaded instead?

Thanks in advance!  :) 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 October 05, 14:41:17
Yo, Whitequeen - I have it on my 4shared account.

Regdelnull.zip (http://www.4shared.com/file/65756756/a47803b4/Regdelnull.html)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: KinwatsaZ on 2008 October 06, 21:10:01
Hi,   Well the AL no CD is only my second one ever.    And I am now confused.   I downloaded the No CD from GameCopyWorld for AL with the patch.   The original No CD exe was some 44K in size...44,738...The new downloaded exe for AL with the patch is only 6,288Kb in size.   Anyone able to explain to me why?  Shouldn't the size be relative?   Is it the correct one?   Is this safe to use?   What about the patch would have resulted in a vastly smaller exe?    Did it or no?    I will hold off on patching and applying the No CD until someone can get back to me.   Thanks in advance.   K


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Mootilda on 2008 October 06, 21:26:32
Hi,   Well the AL no CD is only my second one ever.    And I am now confused.   I downloaded the No CD from GameCopyWorld for AL with the patch.   The original No CD exe was some 44K in size...44,738...The new downloaded exe for AL with the patch is only 6,288Kb in size.   Anyone able to explain to me why?  Shouldn't the size be relative?   Is it the correct one?   Is this safe to use?   What about the patch would have resulted in a vastly smaller exe?    Did it or no?    I will hold off on patching and applying the No CD until someone can get back to me.   Thanks in advance.   K

Different people who make no-cds have different philosophies about the "correct" way to do it; this can result in wildly different sizes.  As long as the no-cd works, I wouldn't worry about it.

What this really tells you is how much of the game is devoted to refusing people access to the game.  When all of that code is removed, the resulting EXE can be a lot smaller.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: gfitz on 2008 October 06, 21:45:44
Hi,   Well the AL no CD is only my second one ever.    And I am now confused.   I downloaded the No CD from GameCopyWorld for AL with the patch.   The original No CD exe was some 44K in size...44,738...The new downloaded exe for AL with the patch is only 6,288Kb in size.   Anyone able to explain to me why?  Shouldn't the size be relative?   Is it the correct one?   Is this safe to use?   What about the patch would have resulted in a vastly smaller exe?    Did it or no?    I will hold off on patching and applying the No CD until someone can get back to me.   Thanks in advance.   K
I am going to say that I also had some issues finding the right one to download. I grabbed the first one I think, by vitality (or something like that). It was the only one I could make work. I couldn't get the 7zip one to work at all. The key for me was figuring out that you had to replace the installed SimsEP8 file with the no CD thing. So I would copy that somewhere first just in case. I think that has been mentioned in the steps but just wanted to reiterate that.

Also I found myself downloading trainers and not the actual .exe that runs the game. Those are much smaller too.

Hope this helps...


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Mootilda on 2008 October 06, 22:11:25
I am going to say that I also had some issues finding the right one to download. I grabbed the first one I think, by vitality (or something like that). It was the only one I could make work. I couldn't get the 7zip one to work at all. The key for me was figuring out that you had to replace the installed SimsEP8 file with the no CD thing. So I would copy that somewhere first just in case. I think that has been mentioned in the steps but just wanted to reiterate that.

Just remember that you should always use a version of the no-cd which matches your current patch level.  In Windows XP, you can check the version by clicking on each EXE (the original game and the crack) in Windows Explorer and choosing Properties from the File menu.  Go to the Version tab and check the File Version.  If they don't match, you've got the wrong no-cd.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Rainne on 2008 October 07, 11:19:30
Thank you so much for posting this thread!  I went past it at first because I'd never heard of SecuROM and didn't know what it was or did, so when I posted the problems I was having with my reinstall, people on my thread immediately directed me here.  I just really can't thank you enough; I was absolutely losing my mind trying to figure out how to get my stupid freaking game to load.  And now it works!

Thank you again! ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Indoor Girl on 2008 October 09, 12:57:15
Issue the following command to show the two remaining hidden malformed files: "dir /A". To delete the two remaining hidden malformed files issue the following command: "del /F /AH *". Confirm "yes" for each of the two file deletions of the malformed files. Finally, the directory "C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Administrator name>\Application Data\Securom" can be deleted as per normal practice from within Windows explorer.

I've white-knuckled it thus far, but I've run into a snag with the malformed files. 0 file(s) and 3 dir(s) are listed, but there's no option to delete anything. The second one (del /F /AH*) brings up "The Syntax of the command is incorrect". I've spent the entire night reading through this thread, and I can't seem to find an answer to this. What am I doing wrong?

*I am running XP, under the admin. account


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 October 09, 13:22:58
Might it be as simple as putting a space between the "H" and the "*" (if it's a syntax error)?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Indoor Girl on 2008 October 09, 14:30:09
You have to be kidding me, that was it!

Only one file came up though. I clicked "Y" for it anyway, and unchecked the "hide protected operating system files", but I can still see them inside SecuROM's subfolder. Did I miss something crutial, or should I try using the Delinvfile?

I've gotten so confused. I just want this to be over with now.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 October 09, 16:40:41
Computers are essentially stupid.  Fast computers are stupid faster.  They can not and do not try to interpret what you mean in a command line.

Anyway, I'm assuming you did the following step exactly as directed:
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Invoke a Windows command prompt with full Administrator privileges by typing the following into a Windows command prompt: "at <your current time + 1 minute> /interactive %systemroot%\system32\cmd.exe" e.g. "at 9:02pm /interactive %systemroot%\system32\cmd.exe". This will open a new Administrator command line when the time set has been attained. In this new command prompt change directory into the Securom folder e.g. "cd C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Administrator name>\Application Data\Securom". Issue the following command to show the two remaining hidden malformed files: "dir /A". To delete the two remaining hidden malformed files issue the following command: "del /F /AH *". Confirm "yes" for each of the two file deletions of the malformed files. Finally, the directory "C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Administrator name>\Application Data\Securom" can be deleted as per normal practice from within Windows explorer.

If that has not done the job (and your post above indicates that it has not), then tougher measures are necessary, I fancy.

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3. If that damned SecuRom folder still can't be deleted, even after correctly following the instructions above, download DelinvFile from http://www.purgeie.com/delinv/dldelinv.htm . Run the executable and find the C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR NAME HERE\Application Data\Securom folder and open the sub-folder. (Sorry, mine's gone, but I believe it was named "User Data"). On the right, choose each malformed file and delete. Go back into My Computer and delete that SecuRom folder for once and all.

In short, yes, try the DelinvFile method.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Indoor Girl on 2008 October 09, 22:12:50
Invoke a Windows command prompt with full Administrator privileges by typing the following into a Windows command prompt: "at <your current time + 1 minute> /interactive %systemroot%\system32\cmd.exe" e.g. "at 9:02pm /interactive %systemroot%\system32\cmd.exe". This will open a new Administrator command line when the time set has been attained.

I did that, only, it opened up a whole new command window instead of a new command line. Everything else seemed to go pretty smoothly up until this point. Time to bring out the bigger guns I guess.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: vecki on 2008 October 09, 23:35:19
No, it's meant to open a new command window - this one is in Administrator mode.

You have to be kidding me, that was it!

Only one file came up though. I clicked "Y" for it anyway, and unchecked the "hide protected operating system files", but I can still see them inside SecuROM's subfolder. Did I miss something crutial, or should I try using the Delinvfile?

I've gotten so confused. I just want this to be over with now.

Oh, and this bit didn't work for me with the "del /F /AH *".  Instead I typed "del *.*".  That did the trick.  I'm pretty sure I made mention of that in my post... Sigh, I wrote all that for nothing... woe!  Alas!  Alack!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Indoor Girl on 2008 October 10, 01:30:03
Vecki, I did see your post, and it gave me hope. But, if I recall, you are using Vista, so I was unsure if it would work for XP. I tried it anyway though, but all I got was a message saying it couldn't find "*.*".

EDIT:   DelinvFile worked like a charm!


Title: Re: SecuROM and RegDelNull
Post by: jolrei on 2008 October 10, 21:09:50
Have you seen our "How to get rid of securom" thread?  HAVE YOU SEEN IT?

Go see it (Podium section) - detailed instructions on the first page.  Accept no substitutes. 

If you follow the instructions there to the letter, you should manage this without too much difficulty.  If in doubt about your ability to do this right, get a tech savvy friend/family member/passerby to help you.

/me notes with satisfaction that posts have been moved.


Title: Re: SecuROM and RegDelNull
Post by: Indoor Girl on 2008 October 11, 15:31:27
If it's installed properly, once I pull up RegEdit, it's supposed to say C:\DocumentsandSettings/username>cd
 instead, mine keeps coming up:
C:\DocumentsandSettings/Owner>cd
and I try to direct it by typing in "cd C:\" (like Aphrodita says to) and then I type in "regdelnull hkcu -s" and I get nothing.  According to that, I don't have SecuRom on my computer (bull.  I do too). 
Oh, and I've got Windows XP.

Unless you've changed it, Owner is the default username.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Knukleur on 2008 October 15, 11:45:13
John Riccitiello feels your pain?

http://www.edge-online.com/news/riccitiello-says-drm-a-minority-controversy (http://www.edge-online.com/news/riccitiello-says-drm-a-minority-controversy)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: spinningplates on 2008 October 15, 20:57:03
Sorry if I'm making someone be redundant; I scanned through and thought I found my answer but now I can't find it again...SO: I have EPs up through SEA. If I buy FT, install it, and run it with a no-CD patch, then I don't get securom. I also understand that I can install FT, install the patch, and run a patched no-CD crack.  But I am unsure if installing the patch will also install securom.

Thanks for your patience.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Mootilda on 2008 October 15, 21:20:35
Sorry if I'm making someone be redundant; I scanned through and thought I found my answer but now I can't find it again...SO: I have EPs up through SEA. If I buy FT, install it, and run it with a no-CD patch, then I don't get securom. I also understand that I can install FT, install the patch, and run a patched no-CD crack.  But I am unsure if installing the patch will also install securom.

If you install using an administrator account, and if you do not actually run the game or the launcher, then you should not get securom.

I just installed all of my EPs and SPs on a new machine.  After installing and patching each one, I replaced the EXE with the patched no-cd and changed the game shortcuts to point to the no-cd.  When I was all done, I checked for SecuROM and it was not on my machine.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: spinningplates on 2008 October 15, 21:28:02
Thank you, Mootilda!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: wolfskies on 2008 October 19, 03:19:23
Well, I have two related problems.

1) I have Sims and expansions up to FT. I found SecuRom on my PC, and tried to follow the directions to get rid of it. The only thing I can find is the registry keys, not any folder. The first step with the DLL file didn't show anything. I searched my registry and didn't find any null files.

My game on my PC won't load a house now, it just crashes, and I am unsure if just deleting the registry keys will take care of the problem. I am running Sims on Windows XP on the Administrator account on my desktop.

Anyway, I got frustrated and installed it on my laptop and used the No CD Crack... on to problem 2.

2) The CD Crack for FT works fine except one thing. I can't use the CTRL-SHIFT-C anymore! I type the keys and it don't work! I checked my computer to see if any hot keys were assigned to that function but didn't find any. I am running Windows Vista Premium on my Laptop.

Any ideas? I have tried all the downloads at GameCopyWorld and all of them work, but none allow me to pull up the cheat window.

WS


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 October 19, 05:00:11
Apparently there are several other programs, particularly on a laptop, which use that combination of keys. If you figure out which one, disable or change the keys the program wants and you regain control of Ctrl Shift C for the sims.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: wolfskies on 2008 October 19, 06:29:43
Apparently there are several other programs, particularly on a laptop, which use that combination of keys. If you figure out which one, disable or change the keys the program wants and you regain control of Ctrl Shift C for the sims.

Well, I have looked and looked. Funny thing is, nothing opens when I press the keys outside the game. Shouldn't it load something if the keys are pressed? I have a program on my desktop that had that problem. It loaded Trillian. I don't have that installed on my laptop yet, or I would be looking at it for that. I guess I will just have to keep opening every program on my laptop and see if it has those keys listed. Joy!

WS


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 October 19, 07:41:20
Do a search here, I'm sure I've read of just this problem recently but also some time before that. I didn't pay much attention because I didn't have the problem, but I have an idea it was things that are specific to laptops, like power saving programs or whatever.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: wolfskies on 2008 October 19, 09:58:13
Do a search here, I'm sure I've read of just this problem recently but also some time before that. I didn't pay much attention because I didn't have the problem, but I have an idea it was things that are specific to laptops, like power saving programs or whatever.

I found it. I did a couple of searches on the internet and found that HP Health Check has that set as their short cut key. Then I just had to do a search for the program and change the properties to none. Thank GOD! It was so sucky having to play with no money cheat.

Thanks for your help! :)

WS


Title: SecuRom on Mac
Post by: Marhis on 2008 October 23, 20:48:56
Great, I've found it, at last on the Mac. I'm almost sure it installed with Spore demo.
It's concealed in a system plist (you need a plist editor to check), hidden as well (it's a dot-something). In mine it's .GlobalPreferences.plist, in /Users/<yourloginname>/Library/Preferences.  This plist stores some Finder prefs, like iTools username, # of recent documents to list, and so on.

Proof:
(http://www.fantasiadomain.com/misc/securom.png)

Now: does somebody know what do I need to do? Deleting those entries in plist is enough or have I to perform additional stuff?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: seelindarun on 2008 October 24, 20:38:25
Great mac-fu!  I have no idea if it would be enough to delete those entries; I didn't install Spore onto any macs, and I'm a little dubious about doing so in order to experiment with you on this. :D  However, I'd love to know how this turns out.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: patzi on 2008 October 26, 10:25:50
Ok, I downloaded regdelnull and typed in the command and got an error.  So I downloaded devlin, browsed to the appropriate place; no securom was found.  So I did a search of my entire C drive for securom:  NOTHING!  However it is in the registry.  Can I delete the registry keys?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Callista on 2008 November 09, 15:18:36
I'm using a  no-CD for Pets, because SecuROM came with Sims 2 Deluxe (base game/NL). I have Uni and Pets now. I'm about to install Seasons and OFB EPs. Should I do anything other than installing the new EPs? I'm guessing that this will make Seasons my latest EP, meaning I should be using a no-CD for that one, rather than for Pets; so I guess that means changing the Pets no-CD back to the regular file, right?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: tunaisafish on 2008 November 09, 22:09:17
Yes - install the no-cd for your latest ep
No - the old pets .exe file does not need replacing back to the original.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ScorpioMaurus on 2008 November 18, 21:59:27
In the thread here :
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=d170b4c761611f7417f3f256e1e36aee&topic=9929.0
They suggest getting your NoCD crack from GameCopyWorld.com but I would recommend GameBurnWorld or Megagames because for the last few months every time I visit Gamecopyworld I get hit with a virus or Drive by download. I thought people should know because it's one of those that installs as a fake AntiVirus such as AntiVirusXP or VirusLab2009 and then gives you warning about your PC having a virus. It takes quite a bit of time to get rid of and this latest one forced a complete reformat because it stopped AVG from being able to download updates and changes something in the search so that when you try to download any new AntiSpy or AntiVirus it will redirect you to porn sites or software sites and not let you see site's like Kaspersky, AVG, or Spybot ETC.  I don't even know how to contact GameCopyWorld to find out if they know about it because I can't access the site without being hit. I don't know if it's like Securom where GameCopyWorld is aware and doesn't care because it sponsers their site or it they were hacked and that's what's causing it. Until this last time I was able to remove it by using SmitFraudFix in safe mode but I don't know what happened yesterday morning. I was not able to remove it completely but it seems to be many viruses all in one Bratsk, Renos, SmitFraud, VirusLab2009. So Anyways please be careful people.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Marhis on 2008 November 20, 11:43:30
Update on the Mac issue; thanks to skygirl22 (nanacake on this forum), apparently SecuROM comes also with Pets EP.
In the end, I deleted those entries in plist, and that seems to not harm anything, since I didn't experienced any malfunctioning so far, but I of course don't know if that was enough to get rid of SecuROM - they're DATA entries, i.e. contains binary data, but really don't know.

More interesting informations and tips in this (http://www.modthesims2.com/showthread.php?p=2060404) thread on MTS2 (thanks again nanacake).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: pbox on 2008 November 20, 14:57:17
A .plist is just a preference (settings) .. that is why I'm so unsure (on the mts2 thread) if SecuRom is being installed at all with Pets/OSX. I wasn't able to find any other evidence than this one plist entry, which doesn't mean there is nothing, but: when the Spore install of Securom is plainly visible for everyone, is it reasonable to assume that it would be *this* undercover with Pets? Invisible in the logs, in the Finder, in Search, in ActivityMonitor?

It is *still* strange, and annoying, that a game install is fumbling with my global settings. This is *my* machine, for fuck's sake.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Mootilda on 2008 November 20, 16:11:09
It is *still* strange, and annoying, that a game install is fumbling with my global settings. This is *my* machine, for fuck's sake.

Unfortunately, EA and Sony believe that it is *their* machine, to do with as they wish.  They have more lobbyists than you do, so they might even convince some governments to make it law:  if you install TS2 or Spore or TS3, the machine is theirs!

Of course, this is one of the reasons that many of us are so angry at EA.  Angry enough that some people are actually hoping that EA will fail (ie, go bankrupt; stop making games).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: pbox on 2008 November 20, 17:38:14
I believe sooner or later they'll shoot themselves in the foot in the same way the music industry has =/ not sure whether that's a good thing or not.

Apart from that: you don't know OSX, Mootilda, do you? I don't really know whether or not it is possible for a process to run without showing up in Activity Monitor .. I'd be happy for a competent opinion on that.

ETA: I just had the genius idea to simply email Aspyr and ask what kind of business they have in my global prefs .. but, er, WTF? "Support" = a phone number in the US? And a PO box ::)

Cute.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 November 20, 17:40:09
So I did a search of my entire C drive for securom:  NOTHING!  However it is in the registry.  Can I delete the registry keys?

It is not unheard of that securom will install in registry, but not on the drive.  You do want to get rid of the securom registry keys.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Mootilda on 2008 November 20, 18:36:11
Apart from that: you don't know OSX, Mootilda, do you?

No, I'm sorry.  I don't know much about MACs.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Marhis on 2008 November 20, 19:10:58
Well, Mac OS X = Unix, and as far as I can tell (not a sysadmin myself) rootkits don't show up in activity monitor, (or with top command, if you want to use command line stuff à la Pes).
I have no doubt that a skilled sysadmin would know how to detect bad things at work in its system, but alas, I'm definitely too far from having those skills :/.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: seelindarun on 2008 November 20, 21:55:55
One notable difference between Spore and Pets is that Transgaming declared publicly that they would be using Securom on all their Cider-wrapped games for EA.  There's no question that Spore exposes macs to suckrom, whether you can find the processes for it or not.  The only debate is about how harmful it might be, but I've seen exactly one post by the same guy linked a dozen times, and no one else.  ???

Aspyr anyway has never said they use suckrom on TS2 or any EPs.  They do put it on some games, and have said so.  It's hard to believe that they would only be coy about TS2.  I'm inclined to think that the .plist entries for Pets EP is just leftover junk from the port.  At the time Pets was released for OS X, Seasons had yet to be released for PC, and EA itself did not add suckrom until BV.
I'm still going to edit my .plist though. :D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Simsample on 2008 November 20, 23:41:11
Well, Mac OS X = Unix, and as far as I can tell (not a sysadmin myself) rootkits don't show up in activity monitor, (or with top command, if you want to use command line stuff à la Pes).
I have no doubt that a skilled sysadmin would know how to detect bad things at work in its system, but alas, I'm definitely too far from having those skills :/.

Have you tried 'OSX Rootkit Hunter'? Link and details here:
http://theappleblog.com/2008/01/23/why-mac-security-matters-os-x-rootkit-hunter/


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Marhis on 2008 November 21, 11:42:58
Yes, thanks Simsample, I tried that one, but apparently it didn't find anything on my mac.
I hope that deleting those SecuROM entries in plist did the trick, so far I haven't experienced any malfunctioning... (crosses fingers)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Fat D on 2008 November 21, 18:32:42
for those of you who want to prevent MGS from creating securom infestation without downloading the entire ISO:
http://rapidshare.com/files/166037112/Sims2EP9.exe
now also RAR'd for low-bandwidth users:
http://rapidshare.com/files/166374207/Sims2EP9.rar


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: TisiphoneStar on 2008 November 30, 06:16:03
I've been having weird problems with securom. I deleted everything but the only step that didn't work for me was the securom folder in the roaming folder.
I can't delete it because it doesn't exist, hidden folders are visible, but it's just not there.

Am I overlooking something important? Please excuse my utter lack of tech skills.  :-X


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2008 December 01, 05:59:57
In the thread here :
http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=d170b4c761611f7417f3f256e1e36aee&topic=9929.0
They suggest getting your NoCD crack from GameCopyWorld.com but I would recommend GameBurnWorld or Megagames because for the last few months every time I visit Gamecopyworld I get hit with a virus or Drive by download. I thought people should know because it's one of those that installs as a fake AntiVirus such as AntiVirusXP or VirusLab2009 and then gives you warning about your PC having a virus. It takes quite a bit of time to get rid of and this latest one forced a complete reformat because it stopped AVG from being able to download updates and changes something in the search so that when you try to download any new AntiSpy or AntiVirus it will redirect you to porn sites or software sites and not let you see site's like Kaspersky, AVG, or Spybot ETC.  I don't even know how to contact GameCopyWorld to find out if they know about it because I can't access the site without being hit. I don't know if it's like Securom where GameCopyWorld is aware and doesn't care because it sponsers their site or it they were hacked and that's what's causing it. Until this last time I was able to remove it by using SmitFraudFix in safe mode but I don't know what happened yesterday morning. I was not able to remove it completely but it seems to be many viruses all in one Bratsk, Renos, SmitFraud, VirusLab2009. So Anyways please be careful people.

With AntiVirusXP I had luck removing it by using avast "run on boot" option, smitfraudfix or malwarebyte's anti malware program, and manual removal by searching for and pinning down anything I found in services.msc and msconfig that shouldn't have been there and looked odd. Then double checking while is safe mode. I've removed it twice this year from two different peoples pcs who do not even torrent. I now just keep a small flash drive with necessary tools for it's removal. Adaware, avast, smitfraudfix, malwarebytes and a few other things including spybot, because of that lock down that it does to certain websites. Avast will install while other anti viruses are installed. AVG has a hissy fit. Gameburnworld makes me feel dirty for some reason. I seem to pick up more from their pages then I ever do from gamecopyworld.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: profoundlycan on 2008 December 05, 20:05:36
I've been having weird problems with securom. I deleted everything but the only step that didn't work for me was the securom folder in the roaming folder.
I can't delete it because it doesn't exist, hidden folders are visible, but it's just not there.

Am I overlooking something important? Please excuse my utter lack of tech skills.  :-X

Actually, I had this problem as well (I have Vista), but managed to figure it out. I went to C:\Users\<Your Administrator Name> then did an advanced search. When doing so, make sure you check the box that asks to reveal non-indexed and hidden files. For me, the folder SecuROM came up, but the actual malformed files that you have to delete specifically using administrator command were not within that folder. I found mine in C:\Users\<Your Administrator Name>\AppData\Roaming\SecuROM\UserData. Afterward, I ran administrator command and managed to finally delete the stupid files. Then I went back to my Roaming folder and deleted the empty SecuROM/UserData directories and then deleted the crap from my registry. Only after all of that was it finally gone.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: zepherine on 2008 December 06, 21:33:18
Hello, All.  I have been following this thread with great interest for some time now, but I have yet to read of one other person who has experienced the SecurRom related problem which is causing me grief.

I have purchased "Bon Voyage," FreeTime," and "Apartment Life," but cannot install any of them.  SecuRom is ALL that installs before I receive the ubiquitous "Autorun has encountered a problem and needs to close.  We are sorry for the inconvenience" message

Needless to say, EA has been no help whatsoever about this, and in fact they have apparenely failed even to read my Emails, judging from the woefully inapplicable responses they have returned to me. 

Do any of you know what causes this?  Have you heard of others having this problem?  And is there a workaround? 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragoness on 2008 December 07, 19:17:41
Workaround:

Uninstall SecuROM, if it's on your system, using the directions here.

Download a copy from one of the many filesharing sites. It isn't even illegal, since you already have a paid-for copy.

Use the downloaded copy to install.

Get a No-CD crack so you don't need to use the CD when you run (to avoid SecuROM).

Should work!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Rainne on 2008 December 19, 16:48:17
OK, question.

I have followed these instructions and now Free Time is running properly with a no-cd crack and i haz no SUCKurom.  My question is this:

I want to install K&B, IKEA, AL and M&G.  When I install the first SP, do I still run the game using the FT crack, or do I need to get a new crack for K&B?  Then, IF it works (it didn't yesterday), when I go to install IKEA, do I need a new crack for IKEA, or do I still use the FT crack?

I know when I install AL I will definitely need a new crack for that... but what about M&G?  Will I still use the AL crack, or will I need an M&G crack?  I want to try installing each pack one at the time to see if they work, since last night I installed them all together and got nothing.  Any ideas?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2008 December 19, 17:11:42
OK, question.

I have followed these instructions and now Free Time is running properly with a no-cd crack and i haz no SUCKurom.  My question is this:

I want to install K&B, IKEA, AL and M&G.  When I install the first SP, do I still run the game using the FT crack, or do I need to get a new crack for K&B?  Then, IF it works (it didn't yesterday), when I go to install IKEA, do I need a new crack for IKEA, or do I still use the FT crack?

I know when I install AL I will definitely need a new crack for that... but what about M&G?  Will I still use the AL crack, or will I need an M&G crack?  I want to try installing each pack one at the time to see if they work, since last night I installed them all together and got nothing.  Any ideas?

For SPs you would use the crack for your latest EP, which is FT.  You are correct that you will need the no-cd crack for AL when you install that.  I believe the exception to the SP rule is M&G, which runs from its own .exe, so you would need a no-cd crack for that as well.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Rainne on 2008 December 21, 02:07:22
OK, clearly something is NOT RIGHT and I am blaming SecuROM. 

Here's what my situation is.

After uninstalling back to Free Time, it worked... then I put in K&B and it worked... then I put in IKEA and it worked... then I put in AL and it wouldn't work.

I called tech support and they said it was my video card, so I upgraded my video card, but AL still wouldn't work, so I backed up to FT again, and it still wouldn't work.  Then I discovered that despite my use of no-cd cracks, SecuROM was back on my system.

So I removed SecuROM again, only here's the thing... I got it all out of the registry keys and everything but the files that the steps say to delete don't show up, so I can't delete those.

I've spent all day going back and forth trying to get something to work, and it wouldn't, so I finally uninstalled the entire f*ing game and started over from scratch.

Base game worked... Uni worked... NL won't load, and it doesn't even have SecuROM on the f*ing disk.

PLEASE help.  I am completely confused and frustrated and I have NO idea how to fix this.  :(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lulz on 2008 December 25, 02:19:17
First off, I love this thread. SecuROM is the enemy. But after going through a little over half of it, I still have a question. I have every expansion except Pets installed (get to that in a second) with every patch (except Pets, obviously), and I just downloaded the no-CD crack from gameburnworld (Sims2ApartmentLifev1.16.0.194NoDVDFixedexeEng.rar, in case that matters at all? I checked, and it matches the version of the patched game I have installed). But, if I happen to, by some miracle, find my Pets Disk 1 (It sort of disappeared, I guess, but I do have the other disk), how would it work if I installed it? Meaning, do I just install that, grab the patch, and then install the no-CD crack version for the patched Pets? Would I then use that no-CD crack shortcut to run the game, or would I just not download the no-CD crack for Pets and keep using the Apartment Life shortcut? On my other computer, before I knew about SecuROM and it's evil nature, and back when I still had my Pets Disk 1, I installed all the expansions in order, because I could xD So, now I have no idea how to go about this whole installing Pets last thing -- if I do find it. If not, I suppose this is pretty much completely irrelevant.  ::)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragoness on 2008 December 25, 05:12:22
You always use the No-CD .exe for the latest EP you have, as that's what will try to run when you start the game.

The only difference is M&G because, despite it being marketed as a stuff pack, it runs from its own CD, has its own .exe, and thus needs its own No-CD file. If you do not have M&G, but you have AL, then yes, AL is the latest one.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Mootilda on 2008 December 25, 06:16:26
The early SPs also behave like EPs and require their own no-cds... I believe that this just applies to Family Fun and Glamour Life.

[Edit: fix typo]


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: PA on 2008 December 25, 22:09:44
OK, I've got a question...

Santaroth tossed BV down my chimney today, and I happened to strongly suspect this would happen, so I've had the SecuROM removal tools, latest EA BV patch, many MATY game-fixing hacks, and the No-CD crack for BV v1.10.0.130 ready to go for a bit.

I've run into a bit of 'trouble' following the instructions.  After installing BV, I patched it, renamed the BV .exe, put the no-CD crack in its place, then directed all my shortcuts to it instead of the launcher.  The BV disc is now safely ensconced in its clamshell where it will never ever touch my computer again if I can help it--I haven't started the game from the regular .exe.  I tried the cracked .exe, game started fine, so I quit without playing and went onto the "kill SecuROM" steps.

I looked at my registry--SecuROM is there just as I expected it to be.  Running regdelnull this way: "C:\regdelnull HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SecuROM -s" and this way "regdelnull hkcu -s" gives me no results, says the scan is complete.  I did the same with "hku -s", scan turned up nothing.  "hklm -s" brought up a few, but none that were related to SecuROM, so I left them alone.

Doing the uaservice7 step predictably came back as being unable to be performed because I installed BV as an admin.  "regsvr32 /u cmdlineext.dll" did what it should.  Rebooted, deleted that .dll.  Went to the Documents and Settings step--found no folder for SecuROM anywhere.

Here's the question(s): Is this expected behavior?  I have a few other games that use much older versions of SecuROM (KotOR and KotOR II), so is it expected that the registries would be there but the rest wouldn't be?  Is it safe to wholesale delete the SecuROM registry under HKEY_CURRENT_USER?  I can haz SecuROMless computer nao?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2008 December 25, 22:27:07
If you were running in administrator mode, then you wouldn't have got SecuROM from BV. You have to run the actual exe to catch it. You may have SecuROM pre-existing from something else.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: PA on 2008 December 25, 22:42:21
Thanks.  I probably did get it from KotOR and KotOR II--they both use SecuROM 5 IIRC.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Craigbear on 2008 December 26, 01:39:58
Hi i have maybe what is gonna be a stupid question but i just got a new computer custom built for me and when it first booted up it said the computer name was admin-pc. Im hoping that means im running under admin account because i want to play BV,FT and AL without securom.If i understood what i read if you install any of those eps under admin account you can play the game by replacing the .exe with a no cd crack without securom ever starting up. Someone please help as i really enjoyed playing those games on my laptop and really want to see what it is going to be like to play it on my top of the line new computer.

Thanks.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragoness on 2008 December 26, 05:14:09
Hi i have maybe what is gonna be a stupid question but i just got a new computer custom built for me and when it first booted up it said the computer name was admin-pc. Im hoping that means im running under admin account because i want to play BV,FT and AL without securom.If i understood what i read if you install any of those eps under admin account you can play the game by replacing the .exe with a no cd crack without securom ever starting up. Someone please help as i really enjoyed playing those games on my laptop and really want to see what it is going to be like to play it on my top of the line new computer.

Thanks.

You... didn't actually ask a question in there anywhere. Are you asking if your account is an admin account? If it's called admin, then... My magic 8 ball says "Sources say yes." Other than that there isn't really any way to tell from here.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Craigbear on 2008 December 26, 05:20:20
Im sorry about that i found out i am running in admin mode but my question is if i install BV,FT and AL and never run the game from the game launcher will i be safe from having securom activating?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragoness on 2008 December 26, 06:10:29
Install from the admin account and immediately replace the game exe with the no-CD exe. Then run the game from this no-CD exe. You will not get SecuROM.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Craigbear on 2008 December 26, 06:13:12
Thank you so much for your help you just made my night. My next question is where can i download a safe no cd crack?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragoness on 2008 December 26, 08:01:08
 ::)

Merry Christmas. (http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_the_sims_2_apartment_life.shtml)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: KinwatsaZ on 2008 December 27, 19:56:26
Hi,
 I just completely uninstalled my Sims2 games and am going to reinstall.  I read through this thread and I am kinda alarmed.  I have dodged Sucky-Rom so far, on this system,(after it completely destroyed the USB's and CD writer on my old one)...I am reading of people getting it from just an install??  AND the latest FT patch info looks very threatening.   Do I need to patch if I have Apartment Life?   

"Updated SecuRom version to resolve an issue where some players started their game through the launcher or clicked on the game executable, but never saw the game splash screen on monitor and fixed emulation problems players were experiencing. " WTF!

Am gonna clean up my system and await an answer.   I have the no-dvd from gameburnworld...will that dodge this industrial virus?  Please advise before all my cautions in the past go up in smoke along with my game system.   K


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: seelindarun on 2008 December 27, 20:22:14
Neither applying patches, nor installing the game, in themselves, will not give you the nasty.
For more, please read the thread you are posting in, at least this page.  Really, it's not so hard.

I don't have anything against you personally, but do you see Craigbear's posts up above?  It ran away before I had a chance to play, and now I have this extra gallon of gasoline and nothing to throw it on...



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: KinwatsaZ on 2008 December 28, 05:23:27
Thanks Seelindarun,   it was reading these latest posts that got me spooked that and that business in the FT patch.  OK.  I feel better now.    Have the noDVD standing by.  Reloading.  Thanks again.  K


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2008 December 29, 17:17:57
Neither applying patches, nor installing the game, in themselves, will not give you the nasty.
For more, please read the thread you are posting in, at least this page.  Really, it's not so hard.
Also, note that there is a link on the very first post for frequently asked questions. This question has been answered multiple times.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: helpkiki on 2009 January 04, 20:43:37
 ;) Hi to all!
i am sorry if this has been already asked, i just can not find the answer...and i am not too good with no-cd cracks.
i just got free time and want to play it without a cd like i do with bon voyage.
If anyone would be so nice to list the steps to do that and what to download, i would really really appreciate this!
Also, i want to download the patch for free time, so as i understand i need a new no-cd crack also?? And in what order should i install-download-crack..?
PLZ help...

THANKS!!! ;)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragoness on 2009 January 05, 01:15:53
 ::)

Here. (http://tinyurl.com/752aox)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2009 January 05, 02:25:01
;) Hi to all!
i am sorry if this has been already asked, i just can not find the answer...and i am not too good with no-cd cracks.
i just got free time and want to play it without a cd like i do with bon voyage.
If anyone would be so nice to list the steps to do that and what to download, i would really really appreciate this!
Also, i want to download the patch for free time, so as i understand i need a new no-cd crack also?? And in what order should i install-download-crack..?
PLZ help...

THANKS!!! ;)

Helpkiki as a username? Sock.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2009 January 05, 17:50:24
;) Hi to all!
i am sorry if this has been already asked, i just can not find the answer...PLZ help...

Helpkiki as a username? Sock.

Certainly a very poor and unimaginative choice of username.  At best it implies that the user requires constant hand-holding.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ritaxis on 2009 January 05, 23:56:55
Maybe we could add this bit of information: Xp users, if you follow these directions and yet don't see any securom files, check to see whether you see any hidden files. Apparently this is something that happens to Xp users from time to time, and it may be malware activity. First, in any explorer folder view, click "tools,"  "folder options,"  "view."  Make sure that "display the contents of system files" is checked and "show hidden files and folders" is checked and "hide extensions for known file types" is unchecked.  If you have to change these, reboot afterwards.

You can check to see if you're seeing hidden files by snooping in the Windows directory.  If you don't see any faded looking icons, you're probably not seeing hidden files.  If you look into a few folders and find more than one or two empty ones, or find something empty that you know has to have something in it, you're not seeing hidden files.

Make sure your antivirus program is up-to-date. Now, reboot in safe mode.  You can do that by hitting the F8 key while the computer is booting.  You'll get dialogs that coax you through the rest.  Once you're in safe mode, run your anti-virus program to scan the swhole system.  It takes a bit longer in safe mode.  You probably won't see anything in the scan report that looks promising.  But, when you reboot and look again, you'll find hidden files. And you will find the Securom keys in the registry.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: drace on 2009 February 06, 14:52:21

My game is a German version (patched FT). Would an English no-cd crack still work for me? Because I have a hard time finding it in German.  :'(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2009 February 06, 14:58:23
Yes, all the game versions are the same, the language used is determined purely by a registry setting.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: LynnMar on 2009 February 09, 17:15:11
I have a question.  I am ordering  bv and I have downloaded the secure rom remover and I have downloaded the no cd crack.  I just wanted to know what it looks like to see if I have the right thing.   It  looks just like the sims exe but instead of being blue it is green.

It says "Sims2EP8.exe.  I was just checking because I never used a no cd crack before.   Also if you put that in after you patch the game you will not get the securom is that right? 

 I have read all of the posts but I am old and just had cataract surgery on both eyes and I can' see shit.   ;D until I get my new computer glasses.

Now, if you are going to yell at me, let JM do it.  I just love him with his mean exterior and his soft heart.   :-*


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2009 February 09, 17:27:50
...to see if I have the right thing.   It  looks just like the sims exe but instead of being blue it is green.

It is a computer file - it has no colour.  The icon for the no-cd will be the same as the one for the original BV ".exe" file, so it will be a different icon than the FT, Seasons, PETZ, or other game icon.

It says "Sims2EP8.exe.  I was just checking because I never used a no cd crack before.   Also if you put that in after you patch the game you will not get the securom is that right? 

Yes, it has the same name as the original .exe file that came with your EP.  Rename your EP's original .exe (call it something like "sims2EP8-exe.old", but keep it in case you need it again for adding another EP/SP).  Then simply drop the new .exe file you downloaded into the directory.  Make sure you have the proper no-cd for the patch.

You will not get securom on your system provided that you do not start the game until after you install the no-cd crack.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: LynnMar on 2009 February 09, 17:49:53
Thank you but how do you know which one is the proper no cd for the patched version?   I went to game world and they had a mess of them

The Sims 2: Bon Voyage v1.10.0.130 [MULTI16] No-CD/Fixed EXE
The Sims 2: Bon Voyage v1.10.0.122 [MULTI16] No-CD/Fixed EXE
The Sims 2: Bon Voyage [MULTI16] No-CD/Fixed Image
The Sims 2: Bon Voyage v1.0 [MULTI16] No-CD/Fixed EXE
 
Game Trainers & Unlockers:
The Sims 2: Bon Voyage v1.10.0.130 +3 TRAINER
The Sims 2: Bon Voyage v1.10.0.122 +1 TRAINER
 
Game Tools:
The Sims 2: Bon Voyage BONUS PACK
 
which one is the patched copy??


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2009 February 09, 18:15:16
Use: The Sims 2: Bon Voyage v1.10.0.130 [MULTI16] No-CD/Fixed EXE

This is the no-cd for patch 2.  The number is the version update number of the patch.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: LynnMar on 2009 February 09, 20:22:03
thank you.  is it a blank thing that says htd-v130.7z?   sorry to be so much trouble   :'(


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: seelindarun on 2009 February 09, 21:48:02
7z is the archive format.  Seriously, google is your friend. 
Every file extension known is out there.  Go forth and learn.  You might even be able to stop making excuses for yourself.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: CameoAppearance on 2009 February 10, 00:13:38
I want to confirm something, since I seem to recall hearing that this was the case but wasn't sure if it was true: It's safe to install a retail-bought rather than pirated SecuROM EP so long as you don't run it from the CD, right? Because I vaguely remember reading something about it not taking effect until the first time you run the game. I just installed FT (like, literally immediately before posting this) but haven't touched it yet -- I had up to Seasons with no SPs before -- and I'd like to know if I'm gonna have to play SecuROM Roulette anyways or if my install can still be saved.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Solowren on 2009 February 10, 00:26:14
You're correct--running the game from the original .exe is what's going to hurt. Grab a noCD crack before playing.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: LynnMar on 2009 February 10, 13:26:37
I have been googleing and just like they said, there are no directions for installing securom.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/shortgal/securerom-1.jpg)

the 7z one says in properties securom fix and then I have the green sims.exe picture for exP6  now do both of them go someplace.   I am just going to keep the securom because I don't know how to do it and I am not making excuses.  Maybe I am a retard or an LD or something.   thank you  much.    :P

Maybe if I still had myxp I could figure it out but with this stupid Vista I am lost anyway.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Marhis on 2009 February 10, 16:48:27
The Sims2EP6.exe goes in your Programs/The Sims 2/Apartment Life/TSBin folder in place of the original one (in that folder you'll find - indeed - a Sims2EP6.exe as well, apparently identical, but that is, in fact, the original with SecuROM).

I have been googleing and just like they said, there are no directions for installing securom.

??? He meant to google "7z" (http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=7z) not "how to remove securom".




EDITed multiple times because today I am more idiot than ever.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: LynnMar on 2009 February 11, 13:35:36
I don't have apt. life yet,  #6 is the  one they gave me for Bon Voyage.

  Wouldn't apt. life be number 8 or 9 or a higher number and THANKS  for telling me where the icon goes .  I got it from the game copy world.

 So all I have to do is put that in the ts bin with the original one, make a shortcut  to my desktop and run the game from the shortcut?   8)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2009 February 11, 16:31:11
So all I have to do is put that in the ts bin with the original one, make a shortcut  to my desktop and run the game from the shortcut?

The no-cd crack will generally have the same name as your original Sims2EPx.exe file (whatever number your latest EP is).

Save your no-cd crack in the TSBin folder of your BV directory (where the original BV .exe file is) as something like Sims2EPx-nocd.exe.

Right-click on your Sims 2 BV shortcut on your desktop and click on properties.  Make sure your shortcut points to the no-cd .exe file (i.e. starts the game from the new Sims2EPx-nocd.exe).

That's all you have to do.  If you do it this way, you won't even have to rename the .exe files again when you want to add a later EP (like FT or AL).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: LynnMar on 2009 February 15, 22:29:31
thanks .  I have another question, everytime I download a fix for bon voyage,  I get the icon and the one that looks like a computer and it says brewers info and I downloaded one today from Fairlane and it says fltdox.nfo.   Are you suppose to run the one that says info before you install the fixed icon?

You can see and example in my picture post, the  one that looks like a blue computer and it always says info.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Marhis on 2009 February 16, 03:26:19
No, they're simply text files with infos; you can open and read them with Notepad (right click -> open with -> Notepad). If you double-click on them, the system will try to open them as a "System Information" (due to their extension .nfo), but it's useless.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lord Darcy on 2009 February 16, 10:09:29
I linked .nfo file to DAMN NFO Viewer (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Office-tools/Text-editors/DAMN-NFO-Viewer.shtml). It's specifically designed with ASCII art in mind. A useful little tool for ARR life.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: LynnMar on 2009 March 05, 20:00:18
I am going to order apt. life and bon voyage today.  so, I only need a no cd  crack for AL since I will be using it to play the game.  Even if I buy some of the sp's later I will not have to get a fix for them, only the last EP.   Is that right?   also I forgot to bookmark the place where you get the fairlane no cd cracks.  Does anybody have that addy?    thanks

If not can anyone tell me another place to get the AL no cd.  I  don't like that one place   that has them ,that says it has spyware on it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: dragoness on 2009 March 05, 20:23:56
Oh honestly.  ::) Here. (http://tinyurl.com/che2d8)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2009 March 07, 23:46:13
There is a one place that has no-cds? ...Is it like, that one place across from the bar, where we eat sometimes? No, not that place, the other one, you know the one.
If you have AL, the only SP that you would need an no-cd for is M&G. It works like an ep and you run from that one if you have it.

In regards to spyware. Firefox. Adblock or Adblock plus. If that is not secure enough, then you can add no script to it as well, that would require some configuration, as is it doesn't like MTS2.
I use gamecopyworld for no-cds. Gameburnworld makes me feel dirty for some reason. Regardless of where you go, you should be scanning files  and your pc with your virus scan and with something like Adaware. Regardless of where you go on the internet.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Hegelian on 2009 April 12, 23:31:40
Just to report my recent experience. . . .

Three days ago I installed on the PC I built last June the entire game through AL, restoring my old game from Pets/GL, updating, patching, etc. It all went mostly well (except for duplicates of the two Seasons bin families due to an incorrect installation of the clean stealth neighborhood, and subsequent purging of all the bin families added by the expansions). The game was running fine, no lots were corrupted, no flashing blue objects (even no missing wants).

This morning the game would not start because no CD was detected. This was because no optical drives were detected by WinXP. The two drives were seen by XP, but the drivers could not be loaded (error code 39). I messed around with moving the drives to different controllers, installing a different drive, uninstalled all my cd-writing and .wav-extraction software, etc. to no avail, which led me to do the SecuROM purge.

The purge process was not difficult, although it helps (a lot) to have had experience with working with the command line and the registry editor. The AL patch 2 no-CD crack works without any problem (so far); it is the one by Vitality. However, purging SecuROM did not restore my optical drives.

I tried installing new drivers for the IDE and SATA controllers, and CD drivers. I attempted a firmware update, but the updater could not find the drive. Finally, I found a link at the Sony optical storage Web site to a Microsoft knowledge base article on fixing the code 39 problem, by deleting a couple registry values related to optical drives. Somewhat surprisingly, this worked, even though the original article was written to address a problem with Easy CD Creator.

In case someone might find it useful, here is the relevant Microsoft page:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=270008

Although it primarily addresses the code 31 error, it also covers the code 39 error.

Of course, now Civ 4 won't run (it uses a different version of SecuROM).   :P



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Syko on 2009 April 14, 20:34:28
I have been reading all this because I think Securom has messed up my computer.  I had all the EPs and SPs installed, and quite a lot of CC and game mods.  Suddenly half the time my computer did not recognize the M&G disk in the drive.  Since it did read other games, I thought possibly my disk was bad, and I uninstalled M&G.  Nope, would not read AL either.  So I reinstalled M&G.  My neighborhood and my downloads folder disappeared.  OK, glitch.  So I went to re-download the CC and mods.  Some showed up in the game, some didn't.  My sims had no blur, and hairy bodies, but no crammyboys, for example. 

So I decided to uninstall the entire thing and reinstall.  Guess what?  My computer tells me that there is no disk in the DVD drive.  I can't reinstall.  I have literally spent hundreds of dollars on a game that I can not play because the manufacturer is afraid I might pirate it?  Excuse me, but it's my dang game.  I bought it.

The really sad thing is that I decided (before someone said the "S" word to me) that the computer was toast, and I ordered a new one from Dell.  Heh.

I would love to take Securom off but I am terrified to go into the registry.  Anyone know if reformatting would remove it?  I have an Alienware and it has the Alien Spawn disk which restores the computer to factory condition.  This would be easier to me than to try to mess around in places I don't know anything about.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Hegelian on 2009 April 14, 22:05:23
See my post above:

Quote
In case someone might find it useful, here is the relevant Microsoft page:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=270008

Although it primarily addresses the code 31 error, it also covers the code 39 error.

This is for when your optical drives disappear.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2009 April 14, 22:09:45
I see Reggikkowinkle has let you out of your closet again.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: reggikko on 2009 April 14, 22:17:37
I see Reggikkowinkle has let you out of your closet again.

He was supposed to be cleaning, not posting!  ;)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simstwoplayergirl on 2009 April 27, 13:27:11
Hi there - I don't normally post - I just read all the posts and can get  my questions answered - I understand what I need to do to get rid of secuROM - I have two questions - I have everything installed and patched except Family Fun Stuff and the Holiday Pack - I am waiting for them to arrive in the mail in a few days - anyhoo -


1) do I have to uninstall the game before I can uninstall the secuRom?
2) if I do not have to unistall the game - when I get the last SP packs - can I just install them and then run the game with the crack version of Mansions and Gardens? (or do I have uninstall and install in order?)

Anyone's help will be greatly appreciated - and thanks for the post - I had no idea what was going on with my game - I could play 2x then it would not load for me - I hope there is no damage to my computer.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2009 April 27, 13:47:44
Hi there - I don't normally post - I just read all the posts and can get  my questions answered - I understand what I need to do to get rid of secuROM - I have two questions - I have everything installed and patched except Family Fun Stuff and the Holiday Pack - I am waiting for them to arrive in the mail in a few days - anyhoo -

What is this "wait in the mail", of which you speak.  Pirate Cat doesn't pay for his downloads.

1) do I have to uninstall the game before I can uninstall the secuRom?
2) if I do not have to unistall the game - when I get the last SP packs - can I just install them and then run the game with the crack version of Mansions and Gardens? (or do I have uninstall and install in order?)

1) No, do not uninstall the game.  Simply follow the remove secuROM steps as provided at the top of the thread.  Leave the game where it is.
2) M&G is the latest stuffpack/EP.  The packs you are waiting for are earlier packs (by release date).  You will continue to run from the no-cd for M&G.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simstwoplayergirl on 2009 April 27, 14:16:57

Thank you for the speedy reply - I have just completed the first part of the uninstall of secuRom - getting ready to do the next - then I will download the no-cd version of M&G..........


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simerette on 2009 May 01, 00:17:16
Well it happened had a no cd on the free time daughter went in and downloaded the Mansion and Garden on it. You guessed it  the patch was not remove from the last EP. So now I am wondering because she had done this does she have Securerom on her pc now? I was also looking for a new nocd patch for M&G and was not able to find one that was workable. I have worked with them in the past and would like to stick with them jsut cant find one.

Thank You


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sloppyhousewife on 2009 May 01, 09:03:46
So now I am wondering because she had done this does she have Securerom on her pc now?
SecuROM installs itself as soon as the original exe that comes with it (in this case, the M&G exe) is run. So if she played M&G already, then yes. If she just installed it without playing afterwards, then no.
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I was also looking for a new nocd patch for M&G and was not able to find one that was workable. I have worked with them in the past and would like to stick with them jsut cant find one.
There is one which works just fine on gamecopyworld. The link to GCW must be in this thread somewhere, or google.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2009 May 01, 13:12:06
Well it happened had a no cd on the free time daughter went in and downloaded the Mansion and Garden on it. You guessed it  the patch was not remove from the last EP. So now I am wondering because she had done this does she have Securerom on her pc now? I was also looking for a new nocd patch for M&G and was not able to find one that was workable. I have worked with them in the past and would like to stick with them jsut cant find one.

This is a perfect example of a post that deserves sporking for extremely poor use of punctuation, grammar, sentence structure, use (or non-use) of capital letters in proper places, etc.  However, I (and I suspect others as well) sometimes feel that if the person is "not of the English-speaking world", some leniency might be granted.  How to tell the ESLs from the true idiots, is the issue.  If persons could indicate on their profile where (broadly speaking) they are hailing from, this would be easier.  Considering that this is unlikely to happen, we must make our own judgements, if ESL has not been specifically and explicitly invoked.

YOUR PARAGRAPH - NONSENSICAL!!

That said, you can not get secuROM on a machine simply by leaving a no-cd in.  Once you patch your game, it is patched, and you leave the patch.  When you add a new EP, you need to get the no-cd for the new EP (if it is a later EP than any others in your game).  If you play without the no-cd for the latest EP, the disk will install secuROM on your system.  However, having a no-cd for an earlier EP still on the system will have no relevant effect.

If your daughter played an M&G game without a no-cd crack, you have secuROM.

Also, it is not really a "patch" - try searching Gamecopyworld for a "no-cd crack" or a "no-dvd crack".


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: simerette on 2009 May 01, 13:46:23
I went to the site suggested. I then downloaded the no dvd fix. Sims2MansionAndGardenStuffv1.0NoDVDFixedexeEng.7z.  This format is not familiar to me.  The no-cd patches I have done in the past were in the format of exe.  Also on the game site it mentions that this would be in a winrar or other zip program and it was not . Not sure if I am down loading the right item. Would appreciate some help.

Thank you
 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2009 May 01, 13:59:10
.7z is a kind of zip format.  Winrar should open it.  You will find the .exe file inside.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: snowluv on 2009 May 04, 22:59:23
Dumb question here about the removal tool download. Is that supposed to be in Winzip form ? Cause I'm getting an executable file and am not getting any kind of installation message.  Sorry about this but I am so ready to be rid of SecuROM I am willing to take all prodding with sticks and other insults to get it off my computer. :P


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MaryH on 2009 May 08, 09:53:11
I wish to announce as a GM for Prism that:

Securom Removal just got easier with the introduction of the Reclaim Your Game Securom Removal Batch file:

http://reclaimyourgame.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=282&Itemid=106. 

 As you would be aware, the SecuRom removal tool provided by Sony does not remove all SecuRom files and without completing the process properly, SecuRom will automatically reinstall itself on your pc. Until now we have had to manually remove each of these files, a process which can only be described as daunting for the average user.

Removing Securom is now as easy as making sure you've got the right tools on your pc, running the Batch File and SecuRom is gone! Designed by our very own Midfingr and exhaustively tested by the staff of RYG/Prism.

Please note if you have the EADM installed on your pc, you will still need to remove that separately before you uninstall Securom. If you experience any errors these are likely due to not having that particular entry on your pc, as the files in each version of SecuRom can vary. If you have any issues with the use of this tool, please visit The Prism and advise us so we can ensure the tool is as perfect as it can be.




Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: witch on 2009 May 08, 10:17:15
Awesome. I've added the link to StumbleUpon.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: skye on 2009 May 08, 14:57:37
Great job! Spread the word-we'll lick that darn securom yet, won't we? 8)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: snowluv on 2009 May 08, 15:36:47
I wish to announce as a GM for Prism that:

Securom Removal just got easier with the introduction of the Reclaim Your Game Securom Removal Batch file:

http://reclaimyourgame.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=282&Itemid=106. 

 As you would be aware, the SecuRom removal tool provided by Sony does not remove all SecuRom files and without completing the process properly, SecuRom will automatically reinstall itself on your pc. Until now we have had to manually remove each of these files, a process which can only be described as daunting for the average user.

Removing Securom is now as easy as making sure you've got the right tools on your pc, running the Batch File and SecuRom is gone! Designed by our very own Midfingr and exhaustively tested by the staff of RYG/Prism.

Please note if you have the EADM installed on your pc, you will still need to remove that separately before you uninstall Securom. If you experience any errors these are likely due to not having that particular entry on your pc, as the files in each version of SecuRom can vary. If you have any issues with the use of this tool, please visit The Prism and advise us so we can ensure the tool is as perfect as it can be.





Many,many thanks for this info.  After stumbling about and reading every post in this thread, I was totally lost.  Is the EADM for objects one downloads from the EA Store? I have no intentions of supporting the EA Store and have never downloaded anything from it.  Also, I cannot find any references to it on my computer.  Again, thank the folks at Prism for making the removal tool . This was something that never should have happened and I hope EA has learned it's lesson about expecting us to just accept whatever they want to do when it comes to invading our privacy.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: krissy on 2009 May 08, 18:14:52
I ordered The sims 2: Free Time Limited Edtion game on Amazon just a few ours ago, and then I started hearing about this "SecRom" thing that can mess up the computer on Win. !? I have a New Toshiba Vista Laptop and REALLY don't want it to be ruined by playing the game (Sims 2 and free time) that I've been wanting for a LOOONNGG time! What's the FIRST steps I shoyld take in making sure my laptop stays in great shape as it has been and STILL play Sims 2 (the EP'S) AND Sims 3??


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2009 May 08, 18:37:37
I ordered The sims 2: Free Time Limited Edtion game on Amazon just a few ours ago, and then I started hearing about this "SecRom" thing that can mess up the computer on Win. !? I have a New Toshiba Vista Laptop and REALLY don't want it to be ruined by playing the game (Sims 2 and free time) that I've been wanting for a LOOONNGG time! What's the FIRST steps I shoyld take in making sure my laptop stays in great shape as it has been and STILL play Sims 2 (the EP'S) AND Sims 3??

Removing securom is not a single step - you should do all of them.  If you do only one step, it comes back.  That said:

1) get the securom removal tool posted by MaryH a few posts above yours.  Follow the instructions to remove securom, including using ccleaner and regdelnull (included with the download).  Alternatively, you can follow the instructions in the first post of this thread to remove securom completely.

2) get a no-cd or no-dvd crack from Gamecopyworld for your latest EP.  If you do not have AL or M&G, then FT will be your latest EP (once your copy arrives).  Install the game normally, but do not launch it until you install the no-cd crack.  Make sure your desktop icon points to the no-cd crack to launch the game (not to the original .exe file or the launcher - never use the launcher).

If you do step 1 without doing step 2, securom will reinstall itself the next time you play your game.

If you still have questions, read our FAQ, and the first post of this thread.  Additionally, there are 37 pages of information specifically related to problems with securom and how to remove it in this thread.  Read them.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Emma on 2009 May 09, 13:14:30
Yayz! I can haz NO Securom! WOOHOO!

Srsly, thanks guys, especially the creator of the removal tool.  :-* Worked great! (All EPs/SPs)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2009 May 09, 13:21:47
Death to Emma.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Emma on 2009 May 09, 13:39:54
Shame they can't develop a Pescado-Bot-Removal tool. ::) :P


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MaryH on 2009 May 10, 03:37:42
Sorry, that's not in our skill-set.  8)

We have enough on our plate with Securom, thank you.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: username on 2009 May 13, 08:57:35
I'm trying to install the post Seasons expansions and I can't get the no cd crack to work.  I've followed the seemingly simple instructions in the beginning of this thread.  I've downloaded the correct patch from gamecopyworld.com, placed it in program files\EA games\the Sims 2 last ep\ TS bin, then I created a short cut to the crack.  But, when I try to run the game from the crack instead of starting the game my computer just asks me which program I would like to open the patch in.  So what am I doing wrong?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Emma on 2009 May 13, 09:39:50
This might sound like a really daft question, but if I run Numenor's Anygamestarter with different configs, do I need to have no-cd's for all the expansions/stuff packs .exes? I'm guessing yes, but I need confirmation before I do it.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: sloppyhousewife on 2009 May 13, 11:54:45
This might sound like a really daft question, but if I run Numenor's Anygamestarter with different configs, do I need to have no-cd's for all the expansions/stuff packs .exes? I'm guessing yes, but I need confirmation before I do it.
Yes. You'll be asked to insert the correct "original" game CD/DVD for the latest EP in the respective AnyGame (e.g. if you have an AG up to BV, it wants the BV CD/DVD).


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Emma on 2009 May 13, 12:16:31
I thought so, but checked to be on the safe side. Thanks SHW.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2009 May 13, 17:23:44
This might sound like a really daft question, but if I run Numenor's Anygamestarter with different configs, do I need to have no-cd's for all the expansions/stuff packs .exes? I'm guessing yes, but I need confirmation before I do it.
Yes. You'll be asked to insert the correct "original" game CD/DVD for the latest EP in the respective AnyGame (e.g. if you have an AG up to BV, it wants the BV CD/DVD).

Confirmed.  Also, for the record, you probably won't find no-CD's for the base game and the first couple of EP's.  The copy protection they used back then was trivial enough that things like GameJackal could get around it, so nobody apparently bothered with cracks.  (If anyone knows differently, please share!)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Emma on 2009 May 13, 17:56:54
They have them at GameCopyWorld (http://www.gamecopyworld.com/), Amber.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Ambular on 2009 May 13, 23:28:38
They have them at GameCopyWorld (http://www.gamecopyworld.com/), Amber.

Huh, that's odd, I went looking for those at GCW a few months ago and never found them.  Thanks!

ETA:  Oh, I remember now.  No-CD images exist for Uni and NL, but they have to be mounted in a virtual drive, which I dislike.  I do see they've got a proper no-CD .exe for the base game now though, which is cool.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Anebrd on 2009 May 17, 01:56:55
Does the No Cd crack traditional load up slower?

Thank you for all the good information in this thread. SecuRom fucking thrashed my game- destorying a neighborhood I spent 3 months on. Please insert the original disc instead of a backup.... I would never consider going with a no cd crack until I saw the SIMS 2 method of fixing this problem. Getting more crap from SecuRom!


SecuRom turning honest gamers into pirates.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2009 May 19, 09:02:50
Does the No Cd crack traditional load up slower?
I never noticed a difference. Usually the only things that effect load times are your computer specs, your game configuration, and your CC. It is not only meshes that will effect this either. A shit ton of recolors will bog your game down as well.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Emma on 2009 May 19, 12:44:57
True. My load times were really quick until I added a load of recolours from Piggis Sims.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Skadi on 2009 May 19, 12:45:37
Piggi sims was the death of my load up times too.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: jolrei on 2009 May 19, 17:16:03
Using a no-cd crack should actually speed up load times since the computer does not have to access a disk drive to load the game.  Lots of CC will naturally slow this down.  It is worth going through your clothes and CC objects occasionally to purge those items that looked good on Friday night after you got home from the pub, but you now know you will never use.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2009 May 19, 19:01:29
True. My load times were really quick until I added a load of recolours from Piggis Sims.

Those recolors also compress to a mere fraction of their size, so those files are bog-ware when you download them any way you look at them. They are such an awesome idea though. It should have already been in place in the game to start with. Incidentally, my game load is the same with only the mass of recolors,  only the meshes or both together. Odd phenomenon.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: username on 2009 May 20, 02:46:58
So I'm going to be annoying and ask this again.  Does anybody have an answer to my question above.  Why won't the crack launch the game?  Do I need to do something to make act as a launcher?  pleeese i ned halp111!!!!!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Emma on 2009 May 20, 10:03:57
I'm trying to install the post Seasons expansions and I can't get the no cd crack to work.  I've followed the seemingly simple instructions in the beginning of this thread.  I've downloaded the correct patch from gamecopyworld.com, placed it in program files\EA games\the Sims 2 last ep\ TS bin, then I created a short cut to the crack.  But, when I try to run the game from the crack instead of starting the game my computer just asks me which program I would like to open the patch in.  So what am I doing wrong?

You did actually unrar the cracked .exe didn't you? It is simples. Unrar to desktop. Zip up original .exe and place somewhere safe, JIC. Delete original .exe. Copy and paste cracked .exe into C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 Seasons\TSBin. Right click on .exe icon and choose 'send to...desktop (create shortcut). Close folder. Run game. Easy friggin' peasy.

You used the No-DVD/Fixed EXE one and not the fixed image one didn't you?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: username on 2009 May 20, 17:17:04
Yes not unraring the file was the problem.  I knew I was doing something stupid.  Thank you, I really appreciate the help.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Emma on 2009 May 21, 11:03:57
You're welcome, but I'm sorry, I gotta do it...

*Emma P&L


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2009 May 23, 22:26:11
You're welcome, but I'm sorry, I gotta do it...

*Emma P&L

Indeed. Every time I come across a file with a extension that I do not recognize, I google it. I'm often amazed at the amount of people who seemingly do not have any interest in furthering their knowledge in the matter.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MutantBunny on 2009 June 22, 17:01:48
Me too: I have to google and find out how to open it if I can....simple nosiness, actually.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Dire Weasel on 2009 August 25, 05:19:32
2) get a no-cd or no-dvd crack from Gamecopyworld for your latest EP.  If you do not have AL or M&G, then FT will be your latest EP (once your copy arrives).  Install the game normally, but do not launch it until you install the no-cd crack.  Make sure your desktop icon points to the no-cd crack to launch the game (not to the original .exe file or the launcher - never use the launcher).

For the Sims 3, in order to install houses, sims, etc. you need to use the launcher. Does the launcher program still fuck with your computer? Will i need to install CC manually? Thanks in advance
(I will probably get insulted for being a noob but w/e also, too many sup)


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: neonhorn on 2010 January 07, 20:59:43
I've skimmed this thread and still can't find the solutions I need.

The no-CD crack for M&G(fixed portrait) is just not working for me.

I downloaded it, unzipped it, dropped it in the TSBin of M&G, took out the original EXE, and created a shortcut to the desktop of the new EXE and it still tells me that it fails to enumerate directX 9.

What do I do now?  The last time this happened, I just said, "screw it" and played with my disk and let the SecuROM infect my computer, but I'd really like to not do that this time.

Any help would be appreciated.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2010 January 07, 21:10:11
I've skimmed this thread and still can't find the solutions I need.

The no-CD crack for M&G(fixed portrait) is just not working for me.
I downloaded it, unzipped it, dropped it in the TSBin of M&G, took out the original EXE, and created a shortcut to the desktop of the new EXE and it still tells me that it fails to enumerate directX 9.
Any help would be appreciated.

It used to give that issue when you had the No-cd in the wrong place. You say you have it in the TSbin though.
C:\Program Files\EA GAMES\The Sims 2 Mansion and Garden Stuff\TSBin?
Try a different no-cd crack maybe? Go get one from GameCopyWorld and see if that one works for you at all.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: neonhorn on 2010 January 07, 23:19:09
Yup....that's the exact location I dropped it into....and I did unRAR it before I put it in.

I've tried to go to GameCopyWorld before, but I always get virus warnings from Avast from that site, so I try to steer clear.  Is there perhaps another site where I can get another crack?  Or does anybody have one uploaded they could share?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2010 January 08, 00:28:00
Really? Avast has never given me any warnings on their site. Do you also have Adblock and are using Firefox? That is the only thing I can think of as to why I wouldn't get warnings. I have Adblock and Noscript plugins. The only other place I can think of is GameBurnWorld, but frankly, they make me feel as if my PC is getting dirty for some reason.

Edit: This is the No-cd that I'm using, try this, if it doesn't work, I don't know what to tell you except recheck for Securom, make absolutely sure everything is in the right place, and make sure you aren't using the launcher.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/032ciy4ymmq/Sims2EP9NoCD.rar
I don't remove the original .exe I just rename the crack and point the shortcut to it. Keeps moving files around to a minimum.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: neonhorn on 2010 January 08, 01:00:02
Thanks.  I just downloaded it and I'll put it in after dinner and see if it works.

Yeah, for some reason, I always got a virus warning when I visited that site.  But, that was when we were using IE instead of Firefox.  And we don't have any adblockers, just Avast for the virus protection.

And you're right about GameBurnWorld....so not worth it!  Your computer will get dirty from visiting that site!

EDIT:  Thank you, morriganrant!  It worked!  It was a little slow loading; slower than I'm used to, but it works!! 


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: AzemOcram on 2010 January 09, 05:50:30
I personally despise SecuRom but I have not had any problems with Tagés. I am in the middle of upgrading my PC so I must check how everything works after I install The Sims 2 and all of its expansion packs.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MegatronsPet on 2010 January 16, 23:35:08
Stupid question that no one [I think] has come up with yet:

Can running BS and/or SimPE (w/ or w/o crack present) trigger SecuROM install?  I know they load game stuff somehow or other, but wasn't sure whether the .exe gets called in the process.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2010 January 17, 00:27:28
Stupid question that no one [I think] has come up with yet:

Can running BS and/or SimPE (w/ or w/o crack present) trigger SecuROM install?  I know they load game stuff somehow or other, but wasn't sure whether the .exe gets called in the process.


To my knowledge, no, BS has it's own .exe and Simpe scans .package files in the core folders. If you want to check what exactly is called when they run, you can get a program called Process Monitor and configure it to the Simpe.exe and the bodyshop.exes.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: MegatronsPet on 2010 January 17, 01:09:48
To my knowledge, no, BS has it's own .exe and Simpe scans .package files in the core folders. If you want to check what exactly is called when they run, you can get a program called Process Monitor and configure it to the Simpe.exe and the bodyshop.exes.

Thank you! Makes sense, of course  :D


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JacquiES on 2010 March 26, 16:02:11
Dumb question here, and I don't even know if anyone comes by here anymore but, I just got a new computer and reinstalled the Sims 2.  I installed each ep and sp one right after another without playing the game first.  I then got a no-cd crack for M&G stuff and loaded the game using that.  I assumed I would have secuROM, but none of the searches are turning anything up.  Is this because I didn't launch the game using the regular .exe?  Or should I expect to be finding something?  Thanks if anyone stumbles across this!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Nalia on 2010 March 27, 04:44:31
If you did everything right, didn't use the game's launcher but the no-CD .exe and your search finds no files of SuckaRom, then you're OK.
Hopefully you remembered to apply the game patches as you were going.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: ritaxis on 2010 March 27, 21:32:20
Jacqiue, this thread has become rather cumbersome.  When I was tryin to remove Securom I couldn't find it anywhere.  I was getting really frustrated, until I found out this information, which I've posted earlier but don't seem to be able to make a working link to, so I'm quoting it:

Xp users, if you follow the directions and yet don't see any securom files, check to see whether you see any hidden files. Apparently this is something that happens to Xp users from time to time, and it may be malware activity. First, in any explorer folder view, click "tools,"  "folder options,"  "view."  Make sure that "display the contents of system files" is checked and "show hidden files and folders" is checked and "hide extensions for known file types" is unchecked.  If you have to change these, reboot afterwards.

You can check to see if you're seeing hidden files by snooping in the Windows directory.  If you don't see any faded looking icons, you're probably not seeing hidden files.  If you look into a few folders and find more than one or two empty ones, or find something empty that you know has to have something in it, you're not seeing hidden files.

Make sure your antivirus program is up-to-date. Now, reboot in safe mode.  You can do that by hitting the F8 key while the computer is booting.  You'll get dialogs that coax you through the rest.  Once you're in safe mode, run your anti-virus program to scan the swhole system.  It takes a bit longer in safe mode.  You probably won't see anything in the scan report that looks promising.  But, when you reboot and look again, you'll find hidden files. And you will find the Securom keys in the registry.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JacquiES on 2010 March 27, 22:52:57
Thank you both for replying, I didn't know if anyone still kept up with this thread these days!  Nalia, I did remember to patch, almost forgot and then remembered at the last minute!  Ritaxis, this isn't my first go at getting rid of secuROM, I had done it on my old computer so I am aware of the steps I need to take.  I downloaded secubegone from the first post here and that couldn't find anything, plus I searched the registry for all of the files that could possibly be connected and didn't find anything.  I also have windows 7 if that makes any difference.  I never used the launcher or the original .exe because after I finished installing them all, I just applied the crack and played it directly from there.  I am keeping my eye out and checking my registry often, but I still haven't come by anything at all.  I will try rebooting after checking show hidden files though and see what happens.



Edit: Still didn't find anything with hidden files shown and know extensions unchecked.  The only thing that did was slow down my computer load time significantly.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: saraswati on 2010 April 03, 11:04:48
JacquiES, if you don't find anything with secubegone, you likely don't have SecuROM. As the other posters have explained, if you haven't launched the game before you installed the crack, you should be fine.

However if you want to be really sure there's one last test you can run. Click "Start" and "Run". Type Regedit and click "Ok". Do a search for cmdlineext.dll and securom and if you don't find either, you're definately in the clear.

I hope that helps.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: JacquiES on 2010 April 04, 02:18:15
Thank you, that is what I was assuming but I just wanted to be sure.  The last thing I need is a fried computer again after just getting this one two weeks ago!


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SealJuice on 2010 August 20, 21:59:19
OMG. I have been trying to get my Sims2 game to work for two years. I'd get tired of trying and then come back to it  afew months later. I finally have determined that it wouldn't launch because of Securerom. No error messgaes. It just doesn't launch.

Not being smart enough to follow all of the instructions to remove Securerom, I reformatted my HD, did a clean install of TS2 and all EP's, then got the no-cd crack for M&G like the Great Pescado said. Everything was fine for a few days. I kept checking my regedit and was delighted to see no Securerom there.

Today, Securerom is back and my game won't launch again. I installed Civ IV last night, but I thought it would leave my Sims game alone. The only other things I have installed are SimPE and Delphy's Organizer, so it seems that any Securerom game will bork me.

*sobs*

Those Securerom bastards want screenshots of the error message. There isn't one. I hate them and I throw my stuffed animals at the wall while I curse them!


P.S. It looks like it was the EADM that re-infected me. Half my EP's are from there, so it got me. Trying to follow instructions for removal now.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SealJuice on 2010 August 21, 00:26:49
Ok, still tryin'. Have read about a third of this thread.

I'm stuck on step 8 here- http://reclaimyourgame.com/content.php?499-add-new-section which says

08. Now type in the following SecuROM Remover.exe /fulluninstall then press the Enter key on your keyboard.

When I try to run SecureROM Remover.exe /fulluninstall in DOS it says "SecuROM is not recognized as an internal or external command."

I also tried moving the securom files to the root of c:, rather than in their own directory as the installer places them.

Any suggestions? Thank you.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Mootilda on 2010 August 21, 05:23:36
When I try to run SecureROM Remover.exe /fulluninstall in DOS it says "SecuROM is not recognized as an internal or external command."

When a program file has a space in the name, you need quotes around it.  Try:
"SecureROM Remover.exe" /fulluninstall

or else, rename the EXE and remove the space.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SealJuice on 2010 August 21, 06:47:38
That worked. Thank you.

Thanks to Pescado, Saraswati, and Mootilda.

My game is still not launching. It does nothing when I double click the no cd-crack, which was working fine yesterday before securom showed up. I'm going to try reinstalling that, though I don't see how it shoudl matter.

I must love the Sims2. Any other game I would have given up on this years ago.



Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SealJuice on 2010 August 23, 20:44:28
Well, it is back again and my game won't launch.

After years of this, I am ready to give up. No game is worth this.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Sagana on 2010 August 24, 21:56:42
Did you try removing the cache files?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: SealJuice on 2010 August 25, 06:00:04
I tried to follow the step by step instructions to the letter. I will look into the cache.

I thought maybe another game (Civ IV) did it to me.

I am also downloading torrents for the game, which I feel justified in doing since I paid for them. This will prevent the need for EADM to install in the future.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: LuckySeven on 2010 December 23, 18:05:24
I recently received the Fun With Pets Collection as a holiday gift. I have not installed it to my Sims 2 game yet because I'm worried about the SecuRom issues I have heard about. What's the best way to protect my computer from being damaged short of just plain not installing it at all? As far as Sims 2 games goes, I have Sims 2 Deluxe, University, and Open for Business.

If it helps, I have a computer with the following:
Windows XP Media Center Edition Professional 32-bit SP2
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+
1.0GB RAM
XFX 512MB GeForce 9500 GT

I know its not great, but I don't have a whole lot of money either. So if my computer is screwed, then so am I and the rest of my family since its the main computer in the home network. Which is the main reason why I want to make sure I don't ruin my PC.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: rufio on 2010 December 23, 23:58:08
I haven't yet installed one of those SecuROM EPs. How do I make sure I never have to deal with this?
Simple. Follow #4. Get a no-cd crack. Use it and never use the game's included Sims2EP#.exe (where # is the number of your last EP), which is the file that contains SecuRom.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Zazazu on 2010 December 23, 23:58:26
Read the fucking opening topic. Your exact question is covered.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: LuckySeven on 2010 December 24, 18:32:02
And what do I do if there isn't a no-CD crack? I've been looking around for one online for days and haven't found one.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: OmegaStarr on 2010 December 24, 20:46:16
And what do I do if there isn't a no-CD crack? I've been looking around for one online for days and haven't found one.

You're doing it wrong then. I'm going to assume your actually looking for a "Fun With Pets" no CD crack. Think about that for a minute and try again.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: spockblock on 2010 December 24, 21:05:09
And what do I do if there isn't a no-CD crack? I've been looking around for one online for days and haven't found one.

It's quite possible that you're too stupid for computers.

It seems quite unlikely, I know, given the popularity of Farmville! But give it some deep thought, please. There will always be crossword puzzle books for you. And doodling.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Rage on 2011 March 17, 00:53:17
Okay I don't have any Sims games that came with Securom (My last ep was Seasons and my TS3 didn't have it because it was a Mac and Pc version), but I discovered after installing Mirror's Edge, I found it installed to [Username]>App Data>Roaming. (I have Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit)

First question: Will this work for removing Securom that got installed with Mirror's Edge? It should, but I just want to make sure.

Second question: It isn't bothering me now because I don't even have Nero installed on my computer yet (My computer is less than a month old), and I'm planning on getting my missing Sims 2 expansions, so should I just save myself the fuss of removing it now and rather just remove it when I install those?

Third question: If I don't remove securom installed with Mirror's Edge and use a no-cd crack for one of the Securom infected expansions, will Securom give me more crap than if I'd just played the game without the no-cd crack? <- Just something I'm wondering that doesn't really need to be answered, but would be interesting to know.

On another note, that tutorial seems pretty good just reading through it. Thank you for this.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2011 March 17, 22:14:48
You should be able to remove Mirrors Edge's Securom with the Securom removal tool that can be found on Reclaim your game. Or you can use the instructions here. It may reinstall itself when you connect the game to online thingies though. I haven't played the game to know what all it does online or if it just checks online to make sure you actually own it, like Bioshock. It will reinstall itself with any game that has it if you don't use a cracked .exe with it removed.

It doesn't mater when you remove it, it's up to you. Depends on how paranoid or violated you feel. Many people had no issues with it and still don't. Others among us had several issues, like virus scans not updating, or saying they did but hadn't, plus issues burning cds\dvd with legal tools.

See above, yes it will reinstall itself without no-cd use. You can keep the sims games or any other games from installing it again after you remove it by replacing the .exe with a cracked one after it's installed and before the game is ever run.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Rage on 2011 March 20, 13:36:04
Thank you for your answers.

If Securom doesn't get installed until you run the original .exe then I think it's best to remove it now, I don't think I'm ever going to want to play Mirror's Edge online, and I don't play it all that often anyway, so it doesn't matter, I'll just disconnect the internet when I play it to be safe.

The only problem I have now, is getting the no-CD crack, this (http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_mirrors_edge.shtml) is the Mirror's edge page at GCW, I've never downloaded anything from there, so I have no idea which one might contain the no-CD crack. Help?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: basbas on 2011 March 20, 13:52:08
Quote from: GameCopyWorld
This game does not require the DVD to be present after the game has been activated with a valid/legal serial. So a Fixed EXE is not needed and therefor not available!
There is no no-CD crack. They don't want to be 'illegal'. You have to find another source, I think.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Rage on 2011 March 20, 16:23:32
Oh that was just a blonde moment on my part, I do have an original (legal) copy of the game and have entered the correct serial, so I shouldn't have a problem in that case. Another blonder moment...

I am apparently too tired to be dealing with this right now. I'll get to finding another site because I don't want to have to go through the whole process of removing securom again if the original .exe will just install it again.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2011 March 20, 21:18:43
Oh that was just a blonde moment on my part, I do have an original (legal) copy of the game and have entered the correct serial, so I shouldn't have a problem in that case. Another blonder moment...

I am apparently too tired to be dealing with this right now. I'll get to finding another site because I don't want to have to go through the whole process of removing securom again if the original .exe will just install it again.
I suggest looking for Reloaded's crack for the game. You may only have much luck on torrent sites,


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: prometheus on 2011 April 02, 10:26:26
I just bought the Fun with Pets collection.  (I currently have all the EPs installed, but not the stuff packs that come with this collection.)  Before I install it, I want to make sure I know which crack I need.  I should use the Mansion and Garden no-cd patch right?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: morriganrant on 2011 April 03, 01:46:23
I just bought the Fun with Pets collection.  (I currently have all the EPs installed, but not the stuff packs that come with this collection.)  Before I install it, I want to make sure I know which crack I need.  I should use the Mansion and Garden no-cd patch right?

Yes, M&G has the most updated game engine and is the pack that your game will ask to run from.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2011 April 03, 02:45:43
Don't install M&G unless you install AL, because M&G is an "undetectable" expansion pack that causes mod compatibility issues if you don't also install AL.


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Count Four on 2011 May 20, 12:15:17
K, I just read all 39 pages of this thread and I still have a couple questions.

Right now, the only Sims on my computer are from pre-Suckyrom discs (Base Game through my Seasons, minus Pets.) I'm planning to install the Fun with Pets Collection and AL, since Pescado the Awesome says you have to have it to stabilize M&G.

I'm running Win7 x64. All previous Sims EPs were installed from the standard we're-only-pretending-to-take-you-seriously Win7 user account. Do I need to enable the super-sekret Win7 Really Real Genuine Administrator account to install from the SecuRom infected discs to avoid getting the you're-not-an-administrator-ha-ha SecuRom files?

Yeah, discs. Kind of hard to Arr games when you're on dial up. (Yeah, I know. I suck.)

And, at this point, are the patches included on the damned discs or am I going to have to download them all? (By now, I'd hope they were included.)

Also, anybody know if the M&G v1.0 [MULTI16] No-DVD/Fixed EXE from GameCopyWorld is reliable?


Title: Re: How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Post by: Lilium on 2013 January 17, 21:16:31
Okay I know I'm seriously necroing here, I just did a full reinstall of all my sims 2 games with all the patches I downloaded a few days ago (since the official site was going down and I needed to make sure I had all patches installed before it got nuked), I have everything up to M&G and I had a working no-CD crack on it before and never had Securom show up. Since there was no patch for M&G and M&G was the last expansion I installed, I thought my no-CD crack I had (by Reloaded) would be sufficient, but now the crack seems to be ineffective (First I got a 'wrong disk' msg, now I get the Direct X error whenever I try to run the game).

Now I have a few questions:
The reclaim your game site says that EADM needs to be removed first and will make the game unplayable. Should I just ignore it and remove it anyway, leave it there and just remove Suckarom, or should I remove it and will the patch just fix the unplayability of the game? Will I need a fixed .exe for AL too now that it's patched (it wasn't patched before) or will a new no-CD crack for the M&G .exe suffice?
For now I'm just going to try out removing EADM and Suckarom, as well as M&G and try re-installing that with a new crack and see if Suckarom reappears and post back my results.

I removed, uninstalled, reinstalled, patched and patched the .exe and now it's working just fine. Not sure why I had a problem before as M&G itself doesn't have its own patch. -shrugs- Looks like the EADM is not required to run it, though I'm not sure about Sims 3 but since I don't even have that installed anymore (waste of money, too) I can't check on that. No more problems here though, it seems. :)