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Hello,

Here are two mods. The first is Quicker Conversion, which reduces the number of times a player is forced to initiate same-sex romantic actions before the character will be "converted" to gay. It was tested and created for version 1.4.6 of the base game in 2009. I haven't played the Sims 3 since then but I do plan to test this again and update if necessary. There are two versions of this mod. The first reduces the number of forced interactions from 6 (the game's default) down to 1. The second reduces it to 2. Only install one.

The second mod is a Household Chance mod that either just increases the likelihood of there being same-sex households or (with the other version) -- affects the other variables (such as percentage of elderly couples, couples with children, et cetera). There are four versions; only install one.

Reasons for these tuning mods: I find requiring players to force characters 6 times to perform same-sex romantic socials to break the "suspension of disbelief" to a strong degree. Also, the default percentage of same-sex households is very low. I recall that it was 1%, although I am not absolutely certain about that.

Edit: Download and install the basic modding framework file: d3dx9_31.dll, unless you have game version 1.12 or higher. (http://www.modthesims.info/wiki.php?title=Sims_3:Installing_Package_Files)

If anyone knows if the code has changed or been deprecated, please let me know.

Update: These should be compatible with AwesomeMod, as JMP said none of the code I adjusted is dealt with by that mod.

For those interested in the code, here is the line that Quicker Conversion addresses:

kNumUserDirectedSameSexGenderPreferencesBeforeSameSexAllowedAutonomously value="X"

(X = 6 for EA default. In my mods it's either 1 or 2. 0 has the same effect as 1).

For the "only" version of the household chance mod, this is the code:

<kPercentChanceOfSameSexHousehold value="X">
      <!--Chance of same sex household, in percent-->

(For my mod, X is either 19 or 50, depending upon which one you download.)

For the full version of Household Chance, this is the code:

<kPercentChanceOfSingleParentHousehold value="10">
      <!--Chance of single parent household, in percent-->
    </kPercentChanceOfSingleParentHousehold>
    <kPercentChanceOfSameSexHousehold value="19">
      <!--Chance of same sex household, in percent-->
    </kPercentChanceOfSameSexHousehold>
    <kPercentChanceOfElderlyHousehold value="18">
      <!--Chance of elderly household if childless, in percent-->
    </kPercentChanceOfElderlyHousehold>
    <kPercentChanceOfRoommatesHousehold value="20">
      <!--Chance of a household being composed entirely of roommates, in percent-->
    </kPercentChanceOfRoommatesHousehold>
    <kRelationshipDistributionWithKids value="65, 10, 25">
      <!--Relationship distribution for couples with kids [spouse, fiancee, partner]-->
    </kRelationshipDistributionWithKids>
    <kRelationshipDistributionWithoutKids value="35, 25, 40">
      <!--Relationship distribution for couples with no kids [spouse, fiancee, partner]-->
    </kRelationshipDistributionWithoutKids>

What are you talking about? If the Sim being 'converted' has no sexual inclination then they will accept the romantic advances of any other Sim no matter what gender, and become slightly biased in that direction. Sims that take more interactions are already gender-preferenced. Are you going to make it as easy to convert them back again for a neighbourhood of swingers or are you homo-biased?

There are already mods to affect the nature of households moving into the hood. I'm not at my PC atm so I couldn't tell you which one I currently use.

And - Why did you double post?

Perhaps later versions of the game, via patches and EPs, have changed the way the game handles this. As I wrote in my post, these were created for version 1.4.6.

When I created them, the percentage of same-sex households was very very low - unrealistically low, so I created Household Chance.

It took 6 forced (player-initiated) advances before a Sim would act autonomously on same-sex romantic socials, so I created Quicker Conversion. This contrasts with the heterosexual advances which happened without such forcing.

If the code has changed, I would be very interested in seeing a post with the new code.

As for being "homo biased", I have to say that being forced to initiate romantic socials only for same-sex autonomy to be unlocked is hardly fair to gay players. It's also unscientific and politically volatile because people aren't converted and yet there are political groups that make that very claim. There are other things the game did, too, like take my male players and put them in situations where they would meet strange women for the purpose of romance. The bias isn't mine. These mods, especially Quicker Conversion, are designed to minimize the game's bias. If I could get rid of conversion altogether I would.

Even if the code has changed with recent patches, some may want to use an older version of the game and could find these tuning mods useful.

Because the average player doesn't need to read about the code affected. It's a niche matter.

I report on observable facts not code, and if you modify the meaning of 'converted' to 'likely to initiate moves of that sexuality' then I have no specific observations. I would also be interested in code that showed Sims showing either proclivity needing 'priming' for a greater or lesser amount. It has been my general observation that sexuality in the Sims catching and that youngsters make no moves unless moved apon or pushed by a story driver - which is different to (and in EA's case almost completely seperate from) actual Sim preferences.

When we have a situation in which a character acts autonomously toward the opposite sex but must be forced 6 times to act the same way toward the same sex -- then turning gay... that's conversion, right? If not for the forced same-sex interactions, of which a specific number are required, the player would never behave in a gay manner -- unless acted upon by another character who is forced 6 times. I don't see how this isn't a matter of conversion.

Here is a later mod that was posted on ModtheSims (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=388170). It has two notable tidbits.

You should probably not believe everything you read on the Internet.

What I believe is immaterial. That information was posted so it was relevant in this context. I don't think my mods were worked into that person's mod, because I got a PM about them a while back and the mod description doesn't address either the conversion issue or the household chance issue.

If you want to do me a favor, you can check to see if the code in my mods has been deprecated/superseded in the recent patches. I would be very grateful. If not, though, I'm going to install the Sims 3 again in the next day or two and will look into it. I'd like to be certain that the mods are still useful for those with the latest patches/EPs.

Also, if anyone knows of a possible conflict with these, I'd be very glad to know so I can include the warning in the Read Me and opening post.

No, that's not what relevant means.

I'm not interested in bickering. If you'd like to add something constructive to the topic, please do so. Thanks.

You don't actually get to tell people what they can talk about here. I'm not sure who informed you that you were given this authority, but they were mistaken.

PS - viewing my profile will bring you no closer to enlightenment on this issue.

What Spockblock meant was Awesome mod does not block any same sex relationships. In fact I have it from Pescado's words that it will actually generate new SS rels once a critical lvl is reached.

And bickering is a basic communication form. Telling people you aren't interested in it is only going to wet their whistles.

Yes. Considering my great love for both Awesomemod and Lesbians, I consider myself an authority in this specific area. And take it from this expert: same-sex romantic socials totally work with AM installed.

I didn't expect otherwise, but posted it because I felt it's relevant. If he had some sort of anti-gay bias we would have known it a long time ago. The Sims 2 Romance Mod, for instance, has been around a long time.

In fact, I was the one who requested No Shock for Outgoing many moons ago on MTS2, back when there was a requests forum, and he was kind enough to create it, so aside from my gratitude for his other work, I personally appreciate that effort.

How is posting something that is blatantly false relevant?  It is misinformation.

Hmm, do we have a new Claeric on our hands?

Ask the person who posted it on MTS. I posted it here to see if it was true, and am glad to have so quickly been informed that it's not.

You know, the incessant sniping really isn't necessary or helpful. Can we stick to the mods, please?

What part of this do you not get yet?

Like a rude version of ELIZA.

Tell us moar about your rude version of ELIZA.  It seems very significant for you.

Don't forget to click the "thanks" button!

I suppose this latest and greatest incarnation has been upgraded with new sockpuppet code.

I sense some hesitance.  Have you had difficulties with sockpuppet code before in your life?

Entropy is a fact of life for everyone.

Hmmm, I actually find the current state of homosexuals in the game pretty good.  I get about 4-6 couples in the neighborhood.  I just want to know if there's a mod that allows them to adopt when not playing them.  That would be super. 

Yes, but they haven't dabbled in writing CONVINCING chatbots. I have written ones that are utterly convincing. One of them emulates me, and people only notice when I switch it off and take over, immediately accusing the actual me of being replaced by a bot. The other emulates a typical 12 year old boy. Like actual 12s, it possesses almost no intelligence whatsoever, but armed with poor spelling and punctuation, and a homophobic insult generator, it can create dialogue utterly indistinguishable from an actual 12. The key to convincingly emulating conversation is antagonism. Far too many people focus on things like comprehension and syntax: In truth, most humans lack these features. All you really need to pass as a human in conversation is plenty of antagonism.

It's RapeLlama, isn't it?

I have this crazy idea that snowbawl is just a chatbot made by Pescado for his own pleasure.

Crazy ideas abound when you apply Alphatard logic.

Yes, I know what you mean about antagonism. Does your AwesomeMod affect any of the values adjusted by these tuning mods? If so, I should make a note of it in the opening post. Do you know if the code is still current for one or both of these? I've been planning to reinstall the game and get it to the current version to see if the code is still around, but I wonder if there is a way the code may still be around but no longer used. It's straightforward to test the conversion mod, but the chance mods seem harder to pin down.

Also, if there are, as one person said, mods around that affect the chance values, do you think it would be better to remove the version of the Household Chance mod that affects multiple values and stick with just the same-sex value? One more question. If these mods load after other mods that affect the values, is that a safe way to supersede such code duplication in some circumstances? I understand that that was occasionally a way to work around Sims 2 mod/code redundancy, but I am not as familiar with Sims 3 mechanisms.

Thanks. I am not an expert coder by any means, but I am interested in making these mods as useful as I can.

Nope. AwesomeMod does not touch any of these tuning vaues.

I don't really think the code in question does anything that is actually useful, really.

The chance code only, or the chance code and the conversion code? Is the chance code that Household Change affects no longer around in recent versions of the game, or is the code ignored?

When I tested the conversion mod with 1.4.6, it definitely worked. I consider shaving 5 artificial forced interactions off same-sex autonomy useful, and also bringing the chance of having same-sex households up from 1% seems very helpful for players who don't want to have to manually create gay couples all the time — but perhaps EA changed the way the game handles this. Do you have any information related to this part of the game?

The chance code (as of the old version of the game I developed these tuning mods from) for same-sex households was 1%, I recall. So, something has to explain why you are getting a higher percentage. With 1% odds, it seems statistically unlikely without other variables, like:

a) The code was deprecated or eliminated and replaced with something else.
b) The code works in conjunction with something like a "neighborhood conversion" factor. So, if a player "converts" characters or neighborhood with manual initiation of same-sex romance, then neighborhoods have a higher chance of having new same-sex couples.

Srikandi said on the Sims 3 site at one point that entire neighborhoods are optionally converted to having gay autonomy, via manual player-initiated action. So, it's possible that my mod would affect the neighborhood, not just the Sims involved directly.

I'm still in the process of getting other projects sorted out, but I'll install the game again soon -- to at least see if the conversion mod still works and if the code for the two mods is still around. It would be nice if someone with greater knowledge of the game's code could clarify some of this, though.

Wow, another surprising "oversight" by EA - that opposite-sex couples get children in the background but not same-sex couples. This is also odd, given this code, which indicates that same-sex couples should have children. The original EA chance must have been really low as it is with the same-sex couples chance. That could explain why you're not seeing your gay couples get kids:

My edited values are there, but look at the code descriptions. It suggests that the gay (at least at one point) did provide background kids to same-sex couples. I don't remember the value offhand, but I know it's rather low, although perhaps not as low as the 1% value for same-sex couples. I assume partner refers to same-sex couples here:

Please stop double posting. You can reply to two people in the one post. Trust me when I say that you are not special enough nor are the posts interesting enough to warrant double posting.

Secondly, you are arguing about game behaviour based on an old version of the base game. Perhaps you should get around to patching before debating game mechanics.

Lastly, bleating misinformation about what AM does and then getting snippy when people point and laugh at you makes you a speshul snoeflake. We don't like speshul snoeflakes here. By all means, get offended and soup; I doubt many people are keen to play guinea pig with a mod not tested on any recently current patch.

If only you had made a intelligent discussion about your old mod, perhaps something good would have come of it.

I would like to submit this to the grammar police for a scathing review.

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You're not already?

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