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Title: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Euphemism on 2009 June 23, 01:25:03
I've played two Kleptos, and when I instruct them to steal anything on any lot, no matter how much clicking I do, all I can ever seem to get them to steal is the friggin $30 light fixtures, while I hear from other players how their supposedly overpowered Kleptos are stealing $12k worth statues and crap. Twice, I managed to steal something else, but that was when everything else in the room was depleted - they stoleded all the lights first  >:(.

I bet it's probably in the code that Sims are hardwired to steal the least expensive items first, (even if they're across the room and that nice shiny $10,000 painting is two steps away, as mine seem to do) to keep from being too overpowered. But am I missing something? Do I just suck? Any tips? I click RIGHTNEXT to the expensive things, but they'll go across the room for the lights. This is frustrating as hell. I feel like I wasted a trait slot.

Any thoughts are appreciated  :)


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2009 June 23, 02:03:25
The kleptomaniac swipe distance is tuned a t "6". A valid stealable object within a radius of 6 from your sim's current position will be sadorandomly chosen for theft. To avoid stealing the wrong thing, eliminate incorrect choices.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Euphemism on 2009 June 23, 02:53:43
So it really is random-ish then? Hrm. Even after multiple clicks, they still go for the lights, but I'll keep trying to see if I can jack a few paintings from the museum.

What do you mean by "eliminate the incorrect choices"? Increase my distance from the lights, and lower my proximity to the desired object I assume. I get what you mean, but it doesn't seem possible when there's like 10 lights overhead my desired object. If you meant retrials, then it's possible to keep trying and get the desired object?

Sorry for the badgering, I'm just anxious to make my Kleptos functional, and not just quirky.

EDIT: Where are my manners? Thank you for the reply :).


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Blizzaird on 2009 June 23, 03:33:40
The neighbors across the street from my sim inexplicably bought the best car in the game to park next to their shitty chairs and dishwasher... my sim is a klepto... you might guess how that ended.  ;D

Or so you'd think. I didn't have your problem, she swiped it fine, only it didn't show up in the family inventory. She even got a wish to give it back, but it wasn't in the list of things to return on the mailbox either. I loaded and tried again but still no luck. Haven't done any further testing but maybe grand theft auto is just broken.

For your problem I'd suggest you just steal a few lights and come back the next day. With fewer lights nearby you'll probably have better luck getting the painting.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: bottles on 2009 June 23, 03:45:07
I sent my sim to the graveyard to steal the grimmie statue for his garden, but he had to steal the two benches on either side before he would take the statue. My other sim REFUSED to take the swingset from the park. :P


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Euphemism on 2009 June 23, 04:00:58
Hrm. So I suppose official consensus = Kleptoism is teh fail.

Haven't done any further testing but maybe grand theft auto is just broken.

For your problem I'd suggest you just steal a few lights and come back the next day. With fewer lights nearby you'll probably have better luck getting the painting.

For what it's worth, I went to a neighbor's house and she had a very nice car parked in a small garage. After taking the lights of course, my Sim swiped her car and is now driving it without problem. That was one of the items I successfully swiped that wasn't a light. I think you encountered a glitch.

The lots reset every day at 3 p.m. and stolen objects get replaced (at least on community lots, haven't tested it on residential), or I would. But thanks.

Seriously, it's redonkulous that I had my Sim go into the most expensive room of the Riverview museum, and no matter how many times I clicked, she always went for the freakin' light fixtures when there was a $1000 chair sitting in front of her. That's just illogical.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Blizzaird on 2009 June 23, 04:09:50
The lots reset every day at 3 p.m. and stolen objects get replaced (at least on community lots, haven't tested it on residential), or I would. But thanks.
Oh, that must be community only. What little klepto-ing I've done has been from peoples' yards and I don't think it's ever reappeared even if I send it back in the mail. Probably just sits in their family inventory

EDIT: How many lights are there? If you never get the painting even after using your first two to get lights out of the way, you might try finding an accomplice. That way you'll have six chances instead of three. I'm thinking my next generation might have to be a house full of kleptos...


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Euphemism on 2009 June 23, 04:18:20
Really? Hmm, duly noted. It would be hilarious to go into the Bunch household and steal all their beds *snicker*. Try breeding again now, bitches!!

Kind of off-topicish, but what does returning items do? Does it grant a positive moodlet of any real benefit? Maybe I could find somewhat of a use for all these piles of light fixtures ::)


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Blizzaird on 2009 June 23, 04:28:54
Positive moodlet and wish fulfillment. My sim is only klepto to give her some quirkiness so she mostly steals small stuff to fulfill the steal something wish, then keeps it until she gets a wish to give it back. Even if you steal for keeps, it's a nice alternative for things you didn't want and are barely worth selling. Although I've never even tried selling stolen goods. Can you sell stolen goods?


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2009 June 23, 04:41:00
So it really is random-ish then? Hrm. Even after multiple clicks, they still go for the lights, but I'll keep trying to see if I can jack a few paintings from the museum.
See: "sadorandom". In Sadorandom Probability, if you have a 50% chance of getting the desired result, then the undesirable result will happen 90% of the time.

What do you mean by "eliminate the incorrect choices"? Increase my distance from the lights, and lower my proximity to the desired object I assume. I get what you mean, but it doesn't seem possible when there's like 10 lights overhead my desired object. If you meant retrials, then it's possible to keep trying and get the desired object?
Or you could just get rid of the lights. Why the hell does a room need 10 freaking lights? Are you trying to create your own sim rotisserie roaster?


EDIT: Where are my manners? Thank you for the reply :).
This is MATY. We have a button for that. Use it.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Euphemism on 2009 June 23, 05:26:45
I know, but come on admit it. Verbal thanks warm your Grinch heart. You love them.

I was intentionally exaggerating on the number of lights, for mildly humorous effect. (Or not.) But on the top floor of the Riverview museum, there's two lights on either side of every painting, which makes at least 8 lights in that one room - the most expensive room. Yeah, I guess I'll have to cut down on the number of lights for all the rooms, or make them inaccessible through moveobjects. Wonder if that would work? Tbh I didn't think of just selling them before. I feel stoopidiful.

Sorry, I misunderstood sadorandom; I misread it as pseudorandom. Pah. I thought that's what you meant. Google is my friend.

So I guess I'm just screwed on the Kleptos. Oh well. EA sucks and swallows. What else is new. I'll keep clicking in the meantime.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: MissKitty on 2009 June 24, 10:01:06
I must be having great luck with my klepto, then... one of the first things she did was swipe Nick Alto's 105,000 car. She lives in a shed and drives that baby everywhere and NOBODY EVEN QUESTIONS IT! I should try inviting Nick Alto over and see if he even notices. My guess is no.

She does seem to have a thing for chairs, though. Idk.

In any case, I just return the crap she sometimes ends up with and get positive moodlets. Win/win. I like the klepto trait.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: caterpillar on 2009 June 24, 12:42:54
I have a klepto with the Handy trait. He steals appliances, upgrades them and returns them. Of course the stuff that is 'returned' just dissolves into the ether, it never goes back to the owner, but it's a great way to fulfill those 'upgrade 15 objects' wishes when you don't actually have that much stuff of your own to fiddle with.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: wendylady on 2009 June 24, 16:37:01
Umm have you looked up what a klepto really is?

They don't steal because they want the cash it's more a ""oooo shiny lets play with it"  and when leaving a place they  forget to put it down. Some people have this with lighters  ;D. Not all klepto's what the biggest costly items, so swiping lights make tons of scene to me, along with any other small thing.



Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Stormibrooke on 2009 June 24, 17:27:54
The community lots do not reset every day, at least not in my experience. I've played two kelptos heavily and it appears they reset about every three to four sim days. The only thing I can think that might make this deifferent between our games is I usually play with long/epic lifespan or with aging off. If you play on something shorter perhaps they reset more often?


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Roflganger on 2009 June 24, 17:50:33
The community lots do not reset every day, at least not in my experience. I've played two kelptos heavily and it appears they reset about every three to four sim days. The only thing I can think that might make this deifferent between our games is I usually play with long/epic lifespan or with aging off. If you play on something shorter perhaps they reset more often?

I believe there is a level of chance involved in whether stuff gets regenerated each night.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Fat D on 2009 June 24, 18:41:17
The community lots do not reset every day, at least not in my experience. I've played two kelptos heavily and it appears they reset about every three to four sim days. The only thing I can think that might make this deifferent between our games is I usually play with long/epic lifespan or with aging off. If you play on something shorter perhaps they reset more often?

I believe there is a level of chance involved in whether stuff gets regenerated each night.
I believe so, too. When playing Stan and Alan, I have noticed that the emptied gym gets filled slowly, but not steadily.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: chaos on 2009 June 24, 19:20:20
For some reason, my kleptos like to steal park benches and their one-seated counterparts, but only after playing chess at the park to raise their fun. They almost never roll wants to return the stolen items, but even after returning some of them, the returned items have yet to reappear at their original locations, even after two sim weeks with a normal lifespan. The bookstore looks nekkid without a bench out front, but my kleptos consistently have a positive "fulfilled" moodlet.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Leticron on 2009 June 25, 15:40:12
Lol...my klepto mainly stole bistro chairs and some stuff from the art gallery.That annoyed me so much that I changed his trait ;)

But perhaps if you marry off the right ones you can move into an empty house and over time you'll be fully furnished and ready to trade up :D :D

wash - rinse - repeat as necessary :D

-le



Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: simmilk on 2009 June 25, 15:49:49
I had a game message pop up when my klepto was on his way home from work saying that he had stolen a Volkswagen (sim version of...) and that it'd be in my family inventory, so I go to the "box" and the only thing there was a desk phone... tagged with my workplaces name no less.   



Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Alex on 2009 June 25, 19:37:49
Umm have you looked up what a klepto really is?

They don't steal because they want the cash it's more a ""oooo shiny lets play with it"  and when leaving a place they  forget to put it down. Some people have this with lighters  ;D. Not all klepto's what the biggest costly items, so swiping lights make tons of scene to me, along with any other small thing.
Yes, because people inadvertantly steal screwed in fixtures without realising it in real life.  ::)

The community lots do not reset every day, at least not in my experience. I've played two kelptos heavily and it appears they reset about every three to four sim days. The only thing I can think that might make this deifferent between our games is I usually play with long/epic lifespan or with aging off. If you play on something shorter perhaps they reset more often?

I believe there is a level of chance involved in whether stuff gets regenerated each night.
I believe so, too. When playing Stan and Alan, I have noticed that the emptied gym gets filled slowly, but not steadily.
This seems to be the case for me. One of my sims stole three items one night in the park in the middle of Riverview. He stole the big statue, the little garden light beneath it and a park bench. They were replaced about a week later, over the course of several days (as opposed to all at once). Another set of items were replaced in days.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Bass Junkie on 2009 June 26, 04:09:12
Umm have you looked up what a klepto really is?

They don't steal because they want the cash it's more a ""oooo shiny lets play with it"  and when leaving a place they  forget to put it down. Some people have this with lighters  ;D. Not all klepto's what the biggest costly items, so swiping lights make tons of scene to me, along with any other small thing.



I don't think you have, either. Kleptomania is a psychological disorder that drives a compulsion to steal - not absent-mindedness.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Niomi on 2009 June 26, 13:31:37
My klepto steals useless objects, I thought it was her insane trait.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: skelley on 2009 June 26, 15:08:54
Are there objects that are unstealable? My klepto needed a counter, so I sent him to the gym where there's a little kitchette down by the pool. Over several nights he stole all the lights, tables, chairs, hot drink machine, bars and barstools. But he will not steal the counters or the fridge. The Swipe Something option is not available in that area anymore.

I thought maybe it was because they are "built-in", but he's stolen showers and sinks in the past...


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: NoOrdinaryRabbit on 2009 June 26, 18:32:34
So far, I've had no luck trying to steal refrigerators, bookcases or beds either. (Maybe beds have to be "unassigned?")  I was only able to steal surfaces like end tables, dining tables and desks, after I had stolen everything that was on them, and any chairs that were tucked in around them first.  No problem swiping dishwashers and trashcompactors from under counters, though.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: caitlyn on 2009 June 29, 14:49:15
My klepto steals useless objects, I thought it was her insane trait.

I was excited to play my first klepto that married into my Legacy family.  She had an "opportunity" come up to eat at the Bistro.  When she returned home, I discovered that she had picked up "a little something" while she was there.

It was a plate. 

I couldn't do anything with it except put it on the table and have them stick it in the dishwasher.  What a disappointment.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: J. M. Pescado on 2009 June 29, 15:05:09
I'm not sure what you expected to steal out of a restaurant. The napkins?


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: caitlyn on 2009 June 29, 15:10:51
I'm not sure what you expected to steal out of a restaurant. The napkins?

True.  At least the family gets to use that plate daily.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Domino on 2009 June 29, 16:12:18
My sim ended up with two mugs, and I couldn't get rid of them or pick them up or anything. I ended up selecting "Drink from" and then canceling it once they'd picked it up so they went to wash up.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Skadi on 2009 June 30, 14:57:48
My Klepto got a shower, bath and bar when he went to the gym for the first time, now he only gets lights. I'm stuck waiting for them to regenerate it's been 3 sim weeks and nothing has come back.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: MissKitty on 2009 June 30, 15:53:46
My klepto steals useless objects, I thought it was her insane trait.

I was excited to play my first klepto that married into my Legacy family.  She had an "opportunity" come up to eat at the Bistro.  When she returned home, I discovered that she had picked up "a little something" while she was there.

It was a plate. 

I couldn't do anything with it except put it on the table and have them stick it in the dishwasher.  What a disappointment.

I find that returning bistro plates is just about the cheapest buff I can get... so I'm fairly pleased with it.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: ciane on 2009 July 01, 02:31:11
I had a klepto take the sink out of a bathroom one night and then the light on another night. When just the toilet stall remained, it didn't have the option to be swiped. Maybe toilets, counters, and fridges are sacred.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: thedevilsim on 2009 July 01, 10:54:43
Well i not seen this posted anywhere else so i thought i let you all know wat i do to get wat i want for FREE lol

I go to edit town and in my first lot i place a floor (No Walls) then load it up with top of the range cars lot comes to just under 1.5 mill lol and in the second lot again just a floor No Walls i place items i need for my house I.E beds, tv, fridges, expensive decor then i return back to the game and each night i send me sims out to steal from these lots and it cost me nowt to decorate my house of course so far none of these items has regenerated so i just place 3 items at a time in the second lot so i get wat i defenly need for my house.



Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: MissKitty on 2009 July 01, 11:06:38
Well i not seen this posted anywhere else so i thought i let you all know wat i do to get wat i want for FREE lol

I go to edit town and in my first lot i place a floor (No Walls) then load it up with top of the range cars lot comes to just under 1.5 mill lol and in the second lot again just a floor No Walls i place items i need for my house I.E beds, tv, fridges, expensive decor then i return back to the game and each night i send me sims out to steal from these lots and it cost me nowt to decorate my house of course so far none of these items has regenerated so i just place 3 items at a time in the second lot so i get wat i defenly need for my house.

So, basically, you just cheat in a very troublesome way? If I wanted to cheat, I would just do so without lying to myself about it.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Kyna on 2009 July 02, 14:03:05
Well i not seen this posted anywhere else so i thought i let you all know wat i do to get wat i want for FREE lol

I go to edit town and in my first lot i place a floor (No Walls) then load it up with top of the range cars lot comes to just under 1.5 mill lol and in the second lot again just a floor No Walls i place items i need for my house I.E beds, tv, fridges, expensive decor then i return back to the game and each night i send me sims out to steal from these lots and it cost me nowt to decorate my house of course so far none of these items has regenerated so i just place 3 items at a time in the second lot so i get wat i defenly need for my house.

So, basically, you just cheat in a very troublesome way? If I wanted to cheat, I would just do so without lying to myself about it.

Thanks for the translation MissKitty.  I couldn't be bothered attempting to read thedevilsim's post since it doesn't appear to be written in English.  Kudos to you for working your way through it and explaining what it is about (a lengthy, troublesome, and time-consuming way to cheat).


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Marhis on 2009 July 02, 22:35:18
Thanks for the translation MissKitty.  I couldn't be bothered attempting to read thedevilsim's post since it doesn't appear to be written in English.  Kudos to you for working your way through it and explaining what it is about (a lengthy, troublesome, and time-consuming way to cheat).

Meh, don't you know that "lol" is the new period/full stop? Be MOAR hip!


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: MissKitty on 2009 July 05, 14:22:25
Thanks for the translation MissKitty.  I couldn't be bothered attempting to read thedevilsim's post since it doesn't appear to be written in English.  Kudos to you for working your way through it and explaining what it is about (a lengthy, troublesome, and time-consuming way to cheat).

Worst bit is that I'm fairly sure I was able to ignore the atrocious grammar. Or, rather, I barely noticed it. This depresses me.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Loki on 2009 July 06, 00:20:06
I've a legacy sim that I gave the klepto trait to simply as he wasn't going to be starting out with more than 1k and no house. I thought he could at least steal some useful items for himself. So what does a klepto with exactly one tile of wall on his home lot steal? Wall light fixtures, and hanging towels for the most part along with an occasional mirror. Took him an awful long time with the three theft a day limit to get his shower and a few other things that were useful. I think it irritates me most when I've got him at the park or something and I'm planning on making him steal things from somewhere specific later on that day and he randomly steals something stupid on his own.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: hidethe_cutlery on 2009 July 30, 16:13:27
I've discovered the best way to steal is to place them a fair distance away from what you want them to steal, within the 6 square limit obviously, but far enough for them to walk to it. Watch where they go and if they head towards and item you don't want just cancel the action and you save one of your precious 3 steals from being wasted on something like curtains. Repeat until they steal the right thing. If they start to do the pre-steal action though you've left it too late.

Also the best house to steal from: the Alto's in Sunset Valley. You can get the Margaret Vaguester pretty much instantly without stress, because there is nothing else around it to steal, provided you're smart enough NOT to start the action directly under the wall light.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Piffle on 2009 July 30, 20:09:56
Thanks for the translation MissKitty.  I couldn't be bothered attempting to read thedevilsim's post since it doesn't appear to be written in English.  Kudos to you for working your way through it and explaining what it is about (a lengthy, troublesome, and time-consuming way to cheat).

Meh, don't you know that "lol" is the new period/full stop? Be MOAR hip!


**dies a little more inside**


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: SenkoAu on 2009 July 31, 04:26:44
And after reading this thread I have the image of a kleptomaniac who's the most beloved person in town because they keep returning things in better condition than when they stole them. Rather like those burglars in an old show who when they first visted the house were appaled at how there was nothing worth stealing so every now and then during the series they'd come back and put in something new (stereo, tv, coffee machine etc) until the last episode when they stole the lot back.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: virgali on 2009 July 31, 12:54:50
Well I tried going to the art gallery and see if my klepto would steal the lights. He stole two paintings. It took me awhile to figure out how to make him steal. At first I tried clicking on objects but after reading this thread I realised that wouldn't work since they randomly steal objects. Then I tried clicking on the sim, finally I saw the light and clicked on the floor.  ::)


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: FridaKahlo on 2009 August 02, 02:49:34
I have a quick question. I was playing a klepto, and I tried to have her steal from a house that was unoccupied, but it didn't work. Can kleptos only steal from houses that are occupied by other Sims?


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: Caraleede on 2009 August 02, 03:55:06
I have a quick question. I was playing a klepto, and I tried to have her steal from a house that was unoccupied, but it didn't work. Can kleptos only steal from houses that are occupied by other Sims?

How the hell did you get her inside the unoccupied house? I don't think you quite grasp the Klepto trait. You can click a space near your sim and select "Steal something". You must be able to get there in order to do it, they will not break and enter.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: FridaKahlo on 2009 August 02, 04:42:45
She didn't get inside the house, that was the problem  ;D

I've already figured out that I had to click a space near my Sim and have her "Swipe Something", but I was just wondering if there was some way to get her inside an unoccupied house. I guess not, it seems.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: magnemoe on 2009 August 07, 09:02:55
Kleptos are fun, found it pretty effective with a pair, one keep the owners occupied while the other steal, then they switch.
One problem is that some days they don't want to steal three objects, perhaps because I stole to late the day before? You often have to return many days to get the item you want, have a strong feeling that the sims prefer to steal smaller objects before large furniture. Price doesn't mater much; just as well steal a laptop as a flower. And they have to steal the items on a table before taking the table.
Best advice is to search out places with little clutter, many rich sims has loads of clutter in their rooms making if less economical than a middle class house with little clutter.


Title: Re: Kleptos Only Stealing Light Fixtures
Post by: dreamcatchermwhk on 2009 August 14, 16:37:50
I love playing with the klepto traits and i find having two klepto can be beneficial. I had one Sim go to the neighbors and swipe something damn it she took the stupid light fixture.Then i had her view the statue .Then i had her male counter part come to the same neighbors house and clicked swipe something and he stole the statue ;-) also when they are at work if one of them acquires something from work it will show up in the others inventory. I love it when they are carted off to jail Lol