More Awesome Than You!

I don't think you can get rid of it.  There use to be a way to drop it, but I believe Pescado changed the code to prevent it from being dropped.  Looks like they are stuck with it.

Well that's unfortunate so I guess my single sim is going to have to suffer
without a job. I hate using money cheats.

You could have them marry a rich sim.  Build their skills for painting and writing and make money that way, even gardening and fishing can contribute also.

You can become a criminal, or there are perfectly profitable part-time jobs that will take you. Besides, in TS3, you don't need money to survive, it's entirely possible to survive with a completely empty home lot that you never go to.

Guess I'll have to settle for the part-time then
and while I"m at it I could change her lifetime wish.

This sounds like an excellent idea.

You can change her LTW by having her build up enough lifetime happiness points, 10,000 - so that she can then buy the Change Lifetime Wish reward in the LTW rewards menu... and w/AM installed you can just bring up the console window, Ctrl-Shift-C and type in "lifetimehappiness" w/out the quotes and she will be given 50,000 points w/out having to fulfill any of her wants/wishes... Good Luck !   :)

Or, you know, you could just accept that your sim's actions have ruined her life and roll with it. Shit happens.

Or use the nieghborhood editor to remove it.

That's precisely true, I just don't want her children to "inherit" it.

I'm over it now ;).



I will try that but the trait can't be removed. I'll just change her LTW and be done with this whole thing.

use shift click the mailbox and set career that way

That shouldn't be a trait that can be inherited, and that bug SHOULD be squashed.

Looks to me like everything's in working order, then - that'd be pretty much top of the list I'd banninate a pedo, even an "inadvertent" one, from visiting.

As others have said, there are plenty of ways to become insanely rich in this game without being gainfully employed. Gem/rock hunting is crazy lucrative, as is gardening/fishing, and should let a "wealth" sim fulfill enough Wants to afford a LTW reset. Personally, though, this would be exactly the sort of curve ball I'd enjoy playing a sim through; I'd vote to let her live with the consequences of her mistake. Not every sim needs to be happily satisfied with the path she ends up taking.

Lol wait, wait.  Your sim flirted with a younger sim and you got the pedo trait or whatever?  Hahaa, that's great, but fairly unrealistical to me, as sad as that might sound.  But honestly, have you ever seen the world?  Have you ever seen how many older men flirt with young girls?  Teachers, employeers, neighbors, everyone.  Unless they actually make sexual advances, no one except maybe people that see the creepy old man doing it and have morals think it's wrong.  But still, quite funny that this happened.  Why don't you say screw it and just make your sim run rampant making woohoo with all the kiddies of the town?  Get it out in the game before you make the mistake in real life hahahaa.

I'm kind of curious about the community in which you live. You may want to consider moving.

Hahahaa, I'm rather curious of what kind of community you live in?  If you don't see older people "flirting" with younger people than you sir, are blind!  Although I have known some that were extremely perverted and over the top, it happens daily.  Flirting isn't just what they show in the game, such as "Embrace, Daze into eyes, Jump into arms" lol, it can be as simple as rather normal conversation with an added hint of sexual tension.  If you don't see it, then you need to open your eyes.

"Rather normal conversation with an added hint of sexual tension" is not a conversation option in this game. Something either is a flirt, an attempted romantic gesture, or it isn't. Offering a 12 or a 6 a romantic gesture = pedobear.

Also lots of things "happen daily" IRL that aren't appropriate. The fact that they're common doesn't make them okay. It is not okay to offer sexually charged comments to minors. Yes, RL may have such a thing as "innocent, flirtatious compliment" which is nowhere near "attempted pedobear", but it's all points on a sliding scale. At what point do we say it's not appropriate? Different people will say different points, but sims do not have to wonder. Flirt equals come-on, which gets pedobear busted.

I find it interesting that at least two of the positions you listed are ones with unequal balances of power. I'm fairly certain that, were I to walk into work and begin flirting with my students one day, the general reaction from parents and administration would not be "well, shit happens".

If nothing seems off to you about an adult in a position of power abusing that position to flirt with a minor, then I am entirely grateful you aren't my boss or a teacher.

On a side note, I'm female, not male.

Personally, it occurred to me that blackninja's attitude can all be explained if s/he is a 12. Lol hahaa.

I love the mod and I really don't want to play without it. But why create something to better the game, and then add in things to spite those who want to do things you disagree with? In some states, 16 is legal, and your insistence that they are 12 doesn't really hold weight when teens are in high school in the game, so at least half of them are over 16.

And Inteen 3 doesn't seem to work with awesomemod. So now I have to choose between a great mod that fixes a lot and my desire to bang 17 year olds.

Didn't read the FAQ, did you? There is no 16 or 17. There is 12, and there is 18.

You're kind of sick if that's really that hard of a choice for you (I easily prefer AM despite the silly restrictions), but I agree with you that "the rule of 6" is BS.

TS3 teens look and act like people around 16 and should be treated that way by the mod.  And 16 is legal in many states, and treated as less than pedophilia by just about everyone. 

If someone is into 16 year olds, it's ephebohilia (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia) and in fact, "because most late adolescents have physical characteristics near (or in other cases, identical) to that of full-grown adults, some level of sexual attraction to persons in the age group is common among adults of all sexual orientations."

I also remember plenty of pretty female high schoolers flirting with male teachers in high school in hopes of improving their grades.

Those who like what Pescado did with it just like something to feel self-righteous about, and we all can agree that adults have no business having sex with, or even being attracted to, 12 year olds.  But these are pixels, and the pixels don't look or act like 12 year olds.

What attitude do you think I have Tangie, because it occured to me that you do not know me, nor did what I said have anything to do with my personal beliefs or morals. I am just not one of those La-De-Da fucks that tries to block out all the horrible parts of society today.  I see them, I understand them, I do not condone then, I do my best to stop these things, but after all, I myself cannot change every thing that's wrong with the world today.  And I can tell by some of your posts that your opinoin of what could be considered flirty is much different than mine.  Now I am not saying a male teacher will walk into a room, stand over a girl's desk and say sexual inuedos till his dick gets hard, I'm saying it could be such as a male teacher is sitting behind his desk, while the class works.  A previous female student comes in the room to say hi to their "favorite" teacher they had, and the male teacher drops awerness of his classroom to chitter chat with this girl and laugh about smile about how fun it was to have in her class.  See, although he did not formally do anything "sexually" related, he became pre-occupied and focused attention on this girl.  How about anough one?  A male, high up in a company is looking for a new secretary.  A multitude of woman come in to apply, one very attractive woman has a slightly worse resume than a horrendously ugly woman.  Now, although the attractive woman is slightly less calified, are the chances that she will be hired not MUCH MUCH higher than the other woman's chances?  Although these examples may not be the best, you are downright ignorant if you do not think occurances like these happen daily, and if there is a deep rooted seed of sexuality in it.  We are only mammals, animals at heart, albiet a much more evolved species of such, but in the end we still have the basic insticts to procreate.  

As to Liz...with saying that that option isn't in the game...did you read what I wrote?  I am talking about REAL LIFE, not the game.  I'm refering to real people, not the 12 or 6 in the game.  Real world.

And Sigmund, power has nothing to do with the point I was making.  It's not just wrong if someone abuses their power to do such acts, its wrong if anyone does it.  I don't see what you point is in stating that they were unequal balances of power, because do you really think I'm stupid enough to think "Yuck yuck yuck, da garbig man need to tell da senator how to work yuck yuck".  I know balance of power, but that has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make.

Any number of reasonable, intelligent people would read your post as "It's no big deal for adults to flirt with kids." The examples you then chose to illustrate this "flirting", however, are ridiculously low on actual flirtation. Teacher pays attention to his unexpected guest? That's not flirting. Guy wants to hire the more attractive applicant? Certainly rooted in sexual attraction, but it has nothing to do with adults flirting with minors. It's irrelevant.

Now, did you read what I wrote? Because I'm well aware that there's a big difference between the game and REAL LIFE. And part of that difference is that where REAL LIFE might have a slightly flirtatious interaction between an adult and a minor that isn't cause for alerting the authorities, in the game, there is no such thing. IN THE GAME, all flirtation is by definition romantic/sexual in nature. So I find it perfectly "realistical" that a REAL LIFE adult would be labeled a pedo for attempting to interact with a minor in the ways the game recognizes as flirting.

I suspect you misinterpreted my use of the word power. Regardless, my original point still stands: if you live in a community in which it is common for employers and teachers to abuse their positions and flirt with someone who, by definition, is incapable of rejecting their advances without fear of repercussion-- well, you should should consider moving. Two of the examples you provided didn't support the point you were trying to make, which seems to be that flirting is a daily and harmless occurrence. In both of these situations, it's neither acceptable nor harmless.

I have absolutely no idea what a senator or a garbageman has to do with anything, since it seems unlikely that either one of them would be flirting with the other to begin with.

Edited because it is late, and my typing skills are failing.

The game recognizes "compliment personality" as flirting.  So if I, a straight YA male, told a 16 year old girl, "You are one of the most fun people I've ever talked to!  You're smart, personable, and have a great sense of humor!  I'd love to spend more time with you!" then I'd be labeled a pedo?  For one thing, if  even if I were specifically attracted to 16 year old girls, I'd have ephebophilia rather than pedophilia in the clinical sense, and psychiatrists don't even consider ephebophilia a disorder (that's in the article I linked to), while they obviously consider pedophilia one.

The big issue is whether TS3 teens are more "12" or 16.  If they're 12, then even my example "compliment personality" would seem very creepy from an adult (though still not criminal unless you replace "spend more time" with "have sex").  Given that they look 16ish, go to high school, act with as much maturity as real-life 16 year olds, and drive cars, I consider them 16.

And if they looked and acted 12 in the game, then no one who isn't a pedo would find them attractive.  As it is and I quoted, even many normal (non-ephebophilia) adults find teens in late puberty somewhat arousing-- and they're too old for real pedos.  Real pedos, as sick as this is, will find the child models in the game more arousing than the young adults or the teens.

I was in no way, shapy, or form trying to make a point that it is a harmless occurence, but yes I am trying to state that it is a fairly common.  And what you are defining is much different than what I am. I am not talking about people abusing their positions to make advancements on someone who is afraid to do anything because they are of a lower standing than the other person.  I do not know how you came to this conclusion either...and in your definition if any physical contact would be made that would be technically classified as rape...I'm not talking about that in any sense.  I believe that you have gravely misinturpretted the point I was trying to convey...

I think you can see the contradictory quality of your two statements for yourself. Additionally, I'm unclear what "definition" you're referring to, as I never provided one.

HELL YES. Just the fact that you INITIATED CONTACT with a *12* outside of a professional context is CREEPY.

If you're exporting sim scenarios to the real world, yes, you would because "compliment personality" is fixed to the FLIRT branch of the tree. You do not find it in any sort of "casual conversation" options; for a sim, it is only available as a flirtation. Yes, "compliment appearance" is also a flirt. It is not "RL pedo" to tell your nephew he looks adorable in his Halloween costume. But the game does not have a "say something nice to nephew about his costume" option. To get to "compliment appearance/personality" you must first go to flirt.

Completely separate from TS3, if you in RL said the above to a teen, it would sound creepy as hell. But the original point was about whether an action that was labeled pedo in the game would also be construed as such in RL. I maintain that it would, given that to reach "compliment appearance" the speaker has already chosen "flirt" as a means of communication. The speaker has determined to flirt and then chosen what might otherwise be an "innocent enough" comment from those available, but the fact of the matter is that if she's complimenting a 12's personality or appearance, she has already, by definition, chosen to flirt with this kid. How she does it isn't really irrelevant from that moment on because she's already standing in pedotown.

No, I cannot see the contradictoy quality of my statements, because there is none besides the one that you yourself are making through your own interpretation, which is very, very wrong.  I am saying that it is an occurance that happens through a multitude of platforms.  Just because I say teachers, doesn't mean I'm implying that they are abusing their power to make advances in the way you are thinking.  Honestly, wtf, how can you tell me what I am saying when I am the one saying it.  The point I am trying to convey is clear in my head and I am putting it down in words on this forum, the problem is that with putting down in text one's ideas, comes to fact that that text cannot hold to ability to convey one's emotions, tone,  and the full depth of one's inner reasonings.  Those things are left for the reader of the text to define as they see fit through their understanding of the text.  And you, ma'dam, are wrongfully identifing the text to an extreme.

Given your inability to express yourself clearly, there can often be a wide margin between what you mean to say and what you do say. When you give multiple examples containing teachers, bosses, etc., flirting with minors, students, employes... those over whom they have authority... there is an unmistakable inequality between the parties in your scenarios. Your hypothetical teacher and boss might not be purposefully exploiting their power over their "target" flirtees, but where such a discrepancy exists there is by definition an abuse of that position's authority. Just as your intent doesn't necessarily come across in what you're trying to say, what they mean by their flirtation isn't the whole of what their action means, as that inequality is an inherent part of any interaction between the parties involved.

The point I was making in describing different types of people was that it occurs in nearly every part of our society.  I can clearly represent myself, but all you intellectual long time members just like to hold your chin above everyone else and try to make your point the only valid point.  THE POINT I WAS MAKING IS THAT FLIRTY SUCH OF THAT IS A COMMON, YET NOT CONDONABLE ACTION THAT HAPPENS IN NEARLY EVERY LEVEL OF OUR SOCIETY TODAY!

Go fuck yourselfs, shit.  And while your at it, try being fucking wrong for once, it might make you a little more human.  Jackasses.

Just because it happens doesn't make it any less pedo.

So your point, blackninja, is that it's not acceptable for adults to flirt with minors? Then why did you call it "unrealistical" for a sim to be labeled a pedo for doing so? And why did you say (I think, anyway - your sentence was a bit hard to understand) that only in extreme cases would people find anything wrong with it?

We know perfectly well that it happens all the time in real life. Was that the entire point of all your ill-conceived examples? To show that it happens? Dude, we know it does. Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Are you trying to say that more RL people should be labeled pedos for all this inappropriate flirting they're doing? If so, why all the talk about how not a big deal it is? You say you can clearly represent yourself, but you seem to be having trouble doing just that.

Well, (a) I didn't; that was hypothetical, (b) At my current age, it might be creepy with a 16 year old, but it wouldn't be at 18 or 20 or 22, and at around 20 I knew a girl who was 16 who was pretty important to me (although we never did anything sexual), and if you look at the article I linked it isn't abnormal.  I think it's kind of nutty to take the "12" definition into real life (even more so than applying it in TS3 to teens that look 16ish).

I will say, though, that to the extent I can be aroused by a group of pixels, I can just as easily be aroused by TS3 teens I create as TS3 YA's I create, and anyone who claims they are aroused by some TS3 adults but never by TS3 teens, I don't believe.  I'd believe someone who said they weren't ever at all aroused by a TS3 character as they're cartoons, but not by someone who said they were aroused by TS3 YA's but not TS3 teens.

I think that it's time for AwesomeMod to give Anonym the pedobear trait.

"Because most late adolescents have physical characteristics near (or in other cases, identical) to that of full-grown adults, some level of sexual attraction to persons in the age group is common among adults of all sexual orientations." (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia)

So, if you're telling me that you can be turned on by TS3 pixels but only the ones that look 20+ and never the ones that look 16, I don't believe you.  Pedos would aroused by "child" models, something we'd likely both find sick and creepy, and that's why they are seen in the way they are.

I must be blind. I don't see anything in Mootilda's post that indicates him/her being attracted to pixels. Why are you assuming that everyone else must be?

And even if the physical body of a teen is similar to a young adults, the brain isn't done cooking yet, so to speak. That means they're full of hormones and not thinking straight (not all of them, mind you) plus not having a fully functional frontal lobe to logically interpret situations with makes some girls and boys prone to get into difficult situations, such as letting themselves being lured into a relationship with an older partner that is not necessarily good for them.

Again, why are you trying so hard? It is a bunch of pixels. If you get off to that, then fine. I still think TS3 teens look like 12's, no matter how hard I squint at them. In the real world there are people who are only attracted to older women. Are they lying about that too, since it is not within your scope of imagination that a player be attracted to a certain age group within the game?

I only came to try so hard because I was accused of being a pedo, and got involved mostly because others get so labeled as well, when people don't even know what they're talking about.  I really have no illusions that anything would change Pescado's mind about the mod's treatment of the issue, but unlike most here I'm not going to watch people get dismembered for disagreeing and say nothing.

I'll admit you have a good point about some people only being attracted to older women, and I already said that I accepted that many people don't find anyone in TS3 attractive as they are just pixels.

This place is riddled with people who has been given schticks for seemingly no reason and with no regard to reality or off-site activity. Start a claim that in-game 12's are so cute and that you are attracted to them and people will soon label you a pedo. How do you avoid such an occasion? Read more of previous forum posts. If you already have been given a schtick or a nickname, try not to show any reaction toward anyone calling you it. If you react to a poke, you will be poked again. And again. That's just how MATY works. Check out Retardoland and you'll see what I mean.

And btw, on MATY there is a rule of 6. We all are considered to be 6 until we turn 12, then we are considered to be 12 until we are 18 and so on. I think that is why people are so squicked out by the fawning over 12's. All I have to say is, if you continue ranting about this, expect to feel a sharp stick up your behind.

The type of behaviour you have described doesn't happen in the way you have suggested, at least not in my part of the world.  In fact, that type of behaviour would see the adult arrested and charged with "Grooming", I am making a wild assumption that you in fact know what that means.

Also, the types of comments mentioned can, and will be treated differently, depending on how they are delivered.  

Comparing in-game and RL.  Next time you tell your sim to "complement appearance", look at the way they move and react when delivering the compliment, there is nothing innocent about it, it is clearly a sexually charged comment.  If you told a young girl that she looked nice in that same manner, you would be looked at strangely, and probably reported for inappropriate behaviour.  

If I tell my daughter and her girl friends that they look nice as they head out the door, there is nothing wrong with it, and no one would interpret it a anything but a nice, friendly, polite comment about their appearance.  However, if I sidled up beside my daughter's friend and lent in, put my head next to hers and commented/whispered how beautiful she looked, it would be viewed entirely differently and as inappropriate and creepy.  The same comment, two different methods of delivery, two different reactions.

Whether something is accepted or not is as much about the way it is delivered as opposed to what is actually said.  One delivery method is accepted and welcomed, the same comment delivered in a different way, becomes unacceptable, and wrong, and will lead you into trouble.