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As first announced on MY forum :P

There is a patch for seasons out.

Also according to MaxoidGoonter if you have the latest EP...in this case seasons...you do NOT need to install the earlier patches with the exception of the second Pets patch..as those fixes did not make their way into Seasons.

ETA Here is the thread from my forum (http://www.thesporum.net/smf/index.php?topic=665.msg13102#msg13102)

Hmmm thats all it will fix ?

Complete list of changes:
Custom objects will now be preserved when uploading Lots to the Exchange.
Musician Career Track career reward (Rock Hammer) now has audio functioning correctly.
Sim Babies no longer cry excessively.

 ???

That's what I'm saying.  Not so much a patch but a stitch, or something of lesser sewing terms.
/me high fives Twain

Hey at least they fixed something....better than nothing.

Normally it is months before EA does anything.

I'm trying to figure out why they need a 45.5MB exe to fix 3 things.

That is about the size of EP2 and EP3 patches combined  :o

Indeed. I was trying to say this for about three minutes because I couldn't seem to actually be able to post something.

Besides the ridiculous size of the thing, it should be pretty easy to spot a patch upgrade at least with that list being so small.

Funny, I first heard about it on MY forum. When you told me.  ;)

I didn't even check that (I'm at work, and so I'm not too interested in the patch right now).

It could have been interesting to ask goonter that when he was around (ETA: he's around now)...especially when he said that the individual patches only fix the respective EPs and are not cumulitive.

of all the errors and bullshit going on with this game they fix three things? ...i mean yeah, the little demon spawns screaming stopping is a good thing, but come on.
They have all those employees and this is all they come up with in the time they've had? I feel so sorry for all those exchange sheep...

this is totally the reason why JM is way more awesome...

Given that the patch is 45 MB, there is probably more than is explicitly listed. Once my game gets to a parking orbit, I will investigate and run a full diffscan to see what really changed.

Please, thank you. Usually those little patches with long long lists download zoom for me. That one was chuga-chuga. There's certainly something in it and I wanna know what it is before I break my game with it.

So the maxoid said for Seasons folk to install the Pets patch and the Seasons patch? So did he say if we need to *uninstall* Seasons to properly accomplish that? (Is very confused by how this EP and patch stuff works, as if the new EP doesn't access the old code (as Pescado says and makes sense to me being there's new code there) how can an old patch work with a new EP. Even if you uninstall the last one, then patch *that* code, when you reinstall, you got new code again - so it'd be... unpatched? Right?

Right. Like I said, there's probably something in there that isn't documented. Who the hell has time to document every stupid little fix? I sure don't.

The Seasons objects.package is 75Mb (up from  51Mb for Pets), so if they just include a replacement version of that file alone, they probably can't compress it much smaller.

you can install the pets patch with seasons installed no problem, just gives a little warning that says you have a newer expansion you may want to get a patch for that one

or you can stick to the fixes found here ...which also work

Right, I got that part. Actually you usually do document what you're doing as long as I find the time to read every little thread.


yeah, I did that, but the thread in 'you broke it' has a discussion about not getting all the fixes and Pescado says either way it's sugar pills. The fixes here don't fix the genetics - unless I missed another little thread here somewheres.

I see the Maxoids are up to their usual brain dead comments. Initially, MaxoidGoonter said:


Then made this totally contradictory and illogical statement:


Well, I think it's safe to say that Maxoids are all idiots who don't even listen to the tech team responsible for the actual work.

That made sense to me. How could the 2nd pets patch- which came out post seasons- have been rolled into the seasons EP? "the installation of your most recent EP includes all previous bug fixes"-- but the second pets patch isn't a previous bug fix, as it was created later on. So you still need it.

The EP team very clearly said that the Pets patch is of no value unless you are playing Pets. Therefore, if you are playing Seasons, the Pets patches do *not* fix anything. It's a placebo.

Unless there was more to the statement than what you've quoted, it says nothing about not using the pets exe. That's what JM and others have managed to figure out on our own. So if the other maxoid didn't know about that, I can see how he'd extrapolate that you need the pets patch still: they think that seasons includes the pets patches .5 and 1, but not 2, so you need 2. It doesn't work that way, but nothing in your quote says that.

In terms of carried over effects, it looks like only these patches matter (assuming you have seasons):

The Sims 2: 1.0.0.971 (first patch, each expansion installs 1.0.0.999; change is reverted post 1.0.0.994?)
University: 1.1.0.284 (latest)
Nightlife: 1.2.0.355 (latest)
Open For Business: 1.3.0.351 (latest)
Family Fun Stuff: 1.4.0.142 (latest)
Pets: 1.6.0.273 (patch after the BodyShop fix)

This is only from using WinDiff to see what files actually change.

Do I need to translate this again?


What part of "no" don't you understand?

Well all i can say is after this patch my game started going crazy again.

 People are auto teleporting when you cancel out a phone call. Servos are trying to swim and commit suicide. A few more things but i will have to go back into the game to list them.

The patches above modify some of the files in the 3D and template folders, so those ones are needed for later expansions since they are loaded and not changed by any later expansions.

You keep quoting the same thing over and over. I'm pointing out how the statement you quoted could be misinterpreted, like it was, and you keep quoting it at me. "previous" is the key word: obviously the author of the second statement, rightly or wrongly, assumed a patch coming out after a subsequent EP is not a "previous patch".

people on another community i frequent are complaning of problems starting the game after the patch.
one can't get body shop or seasons to run, anothers game keeps asking for a disk when shes got digital download ...these could be caused by their own errors however

Ok...after reading this thread I have no idea what is what..... my game is pretty much up to date except for the omgpetz  patch......    Im not planning on installing it right now since all of the problems seem to be fixed by the hacks here. But if I do need to install it... am I supposed to uninstall seasons then patch petz and reinstall?  Or is it a big waste of my time?  Or maybe some kind of human sacrifice is involved and theh shoveling all  my eps and do a random uninstall reinstall and install all the of patches at once? :P

Just did a quick check on the Official site:


Seems like we do need both.

Yes, I think we're aware of that statement, as it was already referenced in this thread  ::)

well what I want to know is do you have to install the Second Pets Patch AND the Seasons Patch?

According to what Goonter posted yesterday on your forum, the answer is yes.

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sarcasm?

OK, I understand that....but if I don't have Pets but want to install the Pets Patch in conjunction with Seasons because I feel I need to collect all the Maxian patches, will I need both the Pets patch and the Seasons patch? :P

Thanks for plainly stating this, but this is irrelevant. Until someone with more credibility than a Maxoid says so, you DO NOT need to install all the patches.

Though if you want them to be safe I doubt it'll hurt anything

Now, that I agree with.  :P

For people like me who were annoyed when this thread didn't directly link to the patch:

CD/DVD Patch (http://thesims2.ea.com/update/getpatch.php?appVersion=1.7&variation=cd&languageCode=)

Digital Download (http://thesims2.ea.com/update/getpatch.php?appVersion=1.7&variation=dd&languageCode=)

When I try to load a neighborhood after installing the patch, the choose-a-neighborhood screen is fine, but once I pick a  neighborhood, its load screen flashes on and off.  It gets the lights across the top that show that it's loading, but even when fully loaded, I still just have a flashing neighborhood load screen.  Oh, joy, oh, rapture!

Guess it's time to go through the hacks one by one....

So, if Seasons wasn't already bothering you, installing the patch may not be worth the trouble it will cause.

It won't install for me  ???

Hmm my sound with the rock guitar is fine...
however that dancing thing is familiar, mine looks like a jumpbug as well except it happens when two people are on a date.  I also have had issues trying to "Toast" while at dinner, they jump then too sometimes. 
This happened before both the pets patch and seasons expansion though and i haven't seen it in a while.

Edit: I dont have the seasons patch and i refuse to get it until official report of what it actually does.  I dont buy that something that big only fixes 3 things.  Plus ive actually got no issues with my game so far (touch wood).

I've had the teleporting issue since installing the phone hack, but only when a landline and cell are being used concurrently.

As to the Servos, I've not installed the Pets2 patch and haven't downloaded the Seasons patch yet.  However, the Servo in my first lot that was hit with a blizzard jumped into the pool.  He went from playing darts into the pool in a nanosecond.  Maybe snowflakes shorts their circuits?

Okay folks, like an idiot, I installed it.

Now, my female sims with infants and toddlers all get the 'I can't leave my poor defenseless baby' thing when they leave the lot - for work or shopping, etc. in spite of the father being present...

And, I must have saved the game and quit due to something in real life, and did it in the middle of the day while a Sim was at work.  He was standing on the lawn and his car was missing...it never did show up...had to purchase another for him (thank goodness for rich dead uncles).

So unless there's something seriously wonky with your game that you KNOW that patch is gonna fix, skip it.

Installing patches or new EPs always causes a re-set.
Make sure all your sims are at home, and not on the phone or doing anything else important.  When you enter the lot they'll be standing next to whatever they were engaged with at the time of install; if they were off the lot they'll be standing by the mailbox, or the front door.

Stupidly, I installed Seasons and later on I installed the patch without checking to see if BodyShop worked in between. Now BS won't open at all. Is there a way to uninstall a patch, or do I need to reinstall Seasons to do that?

Denimjo are you sure you're using the right exe for Seasons Bodyshop?  When you install a new EP, you get a new Bodyshop too but the shortcut on the desktop still points to the old one and BS won't run if you use that.  I have to make a new Shortcut every time (or make the old one point at the new version of BS).

Hmmm, that could very well be the problem. I have the program pinned on my menu list. I'll check to see if I can access it another way.

ETA: Maxon, you're a genius! *huggles gratefully* Thanks for the tip!

i've had jump bugs since the install of seasons. pets jumping, snowball fights jumping ...yadda yadda ..haven't explored the whole thing yet as my boyfriend is greedy and wants time on my computer  :P plus nasty work coming between me and my gaming time ...damn it.
did find out that alias's buyable ofb objects was causeing a jump with plant sims and the waterwiggler ...so one jump narrowed down

i case someone comes back in here.
Pescado said he was going to take a look at the file to see if it did what it claimed.
Has he reported his findings anywhere? ...as i don't get the time to peruse the threads properly I thought it possible i may have missed him mentioning something somewhere.

I havent had any probs with it, the sound and everythings fine.  I was just really disapointed that the rock guitar had the same sound track to the normal guitar... i thought it would be more distortion and heavy metal :(

I've read through this whole thread but I'm still confused. I read Dizzy's "What part of no do you understand" LOL, but what I'm wondering is:
If I install the Pets patch, are there hacks that I should take out due to changes?  I haven't read much about the Pets patch at all except that most people were waiting until Seasons came out and just installing that.  I see, though, that there are things that were not included in the Seasons patch.
I just wonder if eventually there will be no more support for the fixes on this site that were already included in the Pets patch.
After reading all the contradictions, my brain hurts....
So, can someone spell out the steps I should be taking that would be the optimum way to go about this? Like so:

yes/no the Pets patch should/shouldn't be installed

You should install the Pets patch before/after the seasons patch

You should/should jump off of a building for not understanding the part about "no" that Dizzy politely mentions ::)

And any other miscellaneous info that might apply.

I am admittedly less than awesome....borderline anti-awesome.
Thanks!

OpiumGirl I have no useful answer but your avatar has got to go.  My toes are curling up over the top of my feet. 

I'm having flashbacks of a sort to A Clockwork Orange.

For what's worth: I installed the pets patch as it came out, and have had no issues (and yes, Seasons was already installed). As for the Seasons one, so many people have had problems with it, and it fixes so few things, that should the cognoscenti say it's fine, then I would, otherwise, why risk? Sorry I have no other answers I could reliably provide.

...and Un Chien Andalou*.  :o

*Edited to fix "Le" to "Un" because I'm being persnickety.

If nothing is really broken, then just park the patches in a folder for posterity.  That's precisely what I did (after barfing up that first Pets patch from my game).

Okay, thanks very much for the advice.

ZiggyDoodle,
What happened to you with the first Pets patch?

Oh, and I love "A Clockwork Orange"! :)
I remember the part you mean when he had his eyelids clamped open and was forced to watch all sorts of hideous footage!
I guess the same concept would apply to my avatar....You certainly couldn't close yours eyes, even if you wanted to.

I never installed the Pets patch.  I installed Seasons without it and then ran the patch for Seasons.  So far I have had no issues.

I risked installing the pets patch when it came out, and I had the classic issues with children and NPCs with wrong hair colours and some other minor issue I've already forgot about.

Ah, okay...The Pets patch sounds like one I'll put in a folder for posterity like ZiggyDoodle said.
And about the Seasons one...I am still waiting on word from the Awesome One to give the go ahead, lol.

I've been running with the Seasons patch since it came out, no problems, still use all the same hacks.

witch, are you also running the Pets patch? (the second one)

Yes. I was on the unholy hybrid first - the 1st pets patch + the .exe from the CD.
Then the 2nd pets patch
then seasons
then seasons patch

lol, the "unholy" list

It's good to know that some have actually had luck with the second Pets patch.

I've had no problems since installing the second Pets patch (though I don't have Seasons yet), and it actually does seem to have fixed numerous things. I'm still not clear on whether the changes made in the Pets patch will stick once Seasons is installed, or what, exactly, the Seasons patch does, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Gruesome facial genetics which were ultimately fixed when I dumped the patch and installed a backup.