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Could someone please help me out...I have no idea why, but for whatever reason ALL of my sims on every single lot just want to fight.  They dont want to eat they dont want to sleep, they just walk around pounding thier fists into thier hands and waiting for the opportunity to jump on someone.  I even created a new married couple and as soon as I moved them on a lot, the first thing they did was fight.  I have all the Sims2 and expansion packs with stuff packs except for the holiday stuff packs. This is just a recent thing and I dont know what is causing and cannot seem to narrow down the problem.  Has anyone else expirienced this problem and if so could you help me out.

Thank you soooo much! :)

Do you have any hacks, cheats, mods, or other custom content in your downloads folder?  This is not normal Sims behavior, for a newly created sim to wish to pummel unknowns.  More information please.

Perfectlyflirty, I know this is probably so dumb as to be nearly offensive for me to ask, but your sims don't happen to have 3 or less nice points do they?

Just to eliminate personality as a cause.

No most of my sims are very nice and and very outgoing, as far as hacks...the only two i have installed in the game are:

1. buybuild enabler
2. daily gardener

At least that is all the Sims clean installer and delphys download organizer found. I agree it is not normal sim behavior which is why i am so totally blown away by it.

oh as far as custom content...there are over 19,000 files in my download folder of custom content.  Hope this helps.

When did this start?  Had you downloaded a new batch of custom content right before this happened?  CC can sometimes have odd effects, but I've never seen anything like that before.

Feel like I'm pulling teeth here but did you try removing your downloads folder and then playing the game? If not, do so. If all is well, you are then faced with adding a bit of CC at a time back into your game until you find the offending file.

I agree, it's painstaking and a pain but it's necessary to find out the culprit.  Also, do you go by the compatiblility chart at all?  For example, Aquarius and Capricorn, Aries and Taurus, Scorpio and Pisces, etc?  I find in my neighborhoods I have a large amount of Pisces, Sagittarius, Capricon, Virgo, Aquarius and Gemini.  It might be just a weird combination of astrological signs you have.  Maybe you have a lot of Scorpio's?

You can change your sims niceness level using several methods: InSim, boolProp testingCheatsEnabled true or SimPE if you don't have Bon Voyage loaded.

It would also help if you noted whether these sims are furious with each other. Furious sims have to have their furious state cleared once you find the cause (assuming that it's an awry hack causing amok furious states).

Damn. Really? How do I get your neighborhood? Because it sure as hell ain't personality, my neighborhood contains the meanest, nastiest SOBs in creation.
(http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/cats/moarfight.jpg)

Pardon me if I'm wrong, it's not as if that's never happened before, but this sounds very odd to me. I did have a family with a dog and a cat who fought constantly to the point of me being actually glad they went they way of all mortal, but that was one lot, and one family, and critters only.

I'm not saying that very strange things can't happen in SimLand, and I know what it feels like to not be believed, thanks to EAxis and their far below par support staff, but...

Well, I have a very strange feeling about your post, OP. If this is truly happening, and the cat/dog thing spread through your 'hood somehow, then build a new one. Or, do like everyone here said, and kick out your CC and the hacks and check again. But I still have the oddest feeling when I read your post. Sort of reminds me of assorted posts on the BBS, where players claimed the most unbelievable happenings in their game. Like one poster who insisted that all the mothers in his neighborhood were trying to kill their babes and toddlers. Very Freudian in nature, and quite untrue as it turned out. It was a more sophisticated troll, after all.

Again, if my gut is wrong, I apologize. It's been wrong before - plenty of times. But there you have it, what can I say.

I'd say it might possibly be something you've downloaded in a house, for instance, that doesn't show up as a hack in Clean Installer - not all hacks seem to be shown in red.

Are your sims mainly shy - shy sims when they meet another sim tend to try daft things like pranking or teasing them - which makes the other sim mad at them.

Funny thing, though, about those darned Scorpios.  Tamara Chekov is a relatively nice Scorpio - quite outgoing, 4 nice points, doesn't thump hard when playing punchyoupunchme, Romance aspiration, now at Uni.  According to her ACR stats, she doesn't get jealous, but another sim called round, walked into the house she shares with her boyfriend and started kissing him.  Tamara went bananas and attacked them both!  Took me ages to sort out that situation, and the boyfriend still isn't allowed to call friends, only one sim at a time, selected by me....and the offender?  a nice, supposedly well-balanced Aquarius Fortune sim, who seems to have the hots for everything in trousers!

Good lord - I couldn't manage with that few hacks.  I have thefightclub installed just to make sure that there is moar fight.

If you find the problem persists after testing your hood without the Downloads folder, run in debug mode and manually drag up the relationship bars for your sims (presumeably they are low if they keep wanting to punch the shit out of each other).  Then let any furious flags clear and see what happens - you might at least get a better sense of why they want to fight.

I second the thought about possible hidden cc in downloaded lots - if you have downloaded lots there may be some garbage in there causing strangeness.  I had a lot once that continually had plumbing breakdowns (after every single use).  Nothing to do with my hacks, but something embedded in the lot.

And there was, of course, the iniquitous Maxoid computer that kept respawning itself, sometimes you'd download a lot in the pre-clean-installer days, and it would have half-a-dozen of the damned things.....(I only found out once I got SimPe and checked all those useless long file-names!  I'd only downloaded and installed one lot, and there they all were.....

Veilchen, glad to know I wasn't alone there. I too feel/felt like this is someone pulling our collective legs, so to speak. It sounds very unplausible. Plus with a name like PF...well, let's just say alarm bells were ringing. :D

I decided maybe I am getting too jaded and gave PF the benefit of the doubt; but the whole scenario feels "off" for many reasons. :-\

I would be inclined to agree with you both, except.....PF can SPELL!

Now, a thought occurs - PF, are your sim families all basically either one-parent or parent and room-mate rather than husband/wife?  And is one half of the family sloppy enough to leave the shower in a disgusting state?  If so, you need nopuddlerage from Pescado.

Noting misgivings by veilchen and MsMaria, we may reexamine the OP's quote.  Note the bolded phrase.

Standing and pounding fists into hands is not an animation I have ever seen.  Sims do not stand around and wait for someone to bash - they fume a bit with the flame memories, but they do not purposefully stand around, in my experience.  When an enemy, created through careful irritation and argument over many sim hours, appears, they insult, they argue, they attack, yes, but they do not do this in a premeditated way.  All premeditation is in the mind of the player, not the sim.

Moving a new married couple onto a lot and "the first thing they did was fight" is also not a likely scenario without a hack that would do this, or without artificially altering relationship scores (i.e. in debug mode).  The OP does not need help to rectify this.  It needs to be poked severely for wasting our time.

In my now reconsidered view, I suggest that what the OP has described is likely impossible in normal game play.  I put it to you that it has done it to itself.  And, as for spelling, the OP clearly misspells the word "thier", which is worthy of a good Rohina lecture.  Case for the prosecution ends.

Is there a defense?

Well, thier could just be a typo.......

When my sims are told to go and attack, they do exactly what the poster described, if they're really furious and are Scorpios, mean Leos etc.  (Super-nice sims pout and look offended at the idea.....)

I'm not making a case for the defence, merely acting as mediator.....

Exactly, Jolrei! That was the flag for me anyway. I have never seen that animation, but because I haven't played BV to any extent, I thought, hey, maybe it was added. Although I would think that it would have been mentioned on numerous occasions elsewhere on the boards, especially from Pes! :D

I understand ZZ, and I may be wrong, but...my gut says no way. :-\ 
I don't have much of a gut, so maybe I am way off.  :P In that case, I do apologize.

I will look for the animation that ZZ describes.  I have any number of carefully crafted moar fight type sims and this would be quite entertaining.  Putting that issue aside, I still find it difficult to believe that if one creates a married couple, they emerge from CAS as enemies without there being some "intervention" from the OP.

Additionally, I would think that if sims are standing around doing nothing but waiting for other sims to bash (at the expense of all other interactions, like eating), the OP has artificially altered relationships to the point where the sim is furious and has negative relationships with most if not all other sims in the hood.

Again, it looks like a situation of the OP's devising and not a problem.  Naturally, JMP feels that the situation described is sincerely to be desired, in any case, and not something that needs a fix.

Standard receptivity animation. Please try to pay attention when you play the game next time.  :P

Well, I have seen that animation of the sim standing their pounding a fist into the other hand.  I usually see it in dorms (even before BV came out), where the two antagonists have been enemies for 'generations' -- dormies that have lived in the same dorm through countless playable spawn going through.  It only happens when the two sims are already at -100/-100 and usually just jump to the attack rather than going through the poke/shove/slap cycle.  If the sim who's going to attacked is busy, the attacker will stand there pounding his/her fist while waiting.

Oh, I do have enemiesaccumulate and fightclub in the game, of course. :)

ETA: Given enough time, a particularly mean dormie will end up enemies with pretty much every other dormie, and will spend all his/her time fighting regardless of which dorm the dormie is in.  The fight provokers eventually become the dorm ghost, thanks to nodormieprotect and the very handy 'Smite' option on the Lot Debugger.  ;D

Well, I don't have BV installed yet, it's still sitting there waiting.....but I do get that animation whenever a sim is getting ready to attack....and although I do have enemies accumulate, I don't have thefightclub.  Quite honestly, too many furious reverses and my game slows to a standstill, so, while one furious sim is entertaining, half a dozen would just make me furious too!

I do think, however, that something is causing this to happen in the poster's game - either through player intervention or a hack of some kind, because, as you say, married couples emerging from CAS don't behave like that, they either make for the nearest couch/double bed/ hot tub, or they play with their kids, try to befriend their teenagers, or go and watch tv, paint etc.

However, when you create unmarried couples in order to create genetic offspring, (a) the male parent is unaware the kids are his, and you have to go into SimPE to let him know this, and (b) his relationship with the female parent is fairly low, and one or two attempts at playing any other game than water balloon fights or catch can soon drive it to zero, then a little bit of arguing and they're well on the way to becoming enemies!

The Fight Club doesn't even make fights happen more or less than before, anyway: People who think it does have misunderstood its function. The Fight Club only makes fights actually worth having and watching, if they happen, because the outcome is decided logically and in a manner the player can actually influence, rather than a completely random thing you can't influence at all, making it utterly pointless to have. The Fight Club doesn't create fights, it just makes the ones you have worthwhile.

And nothing livens up a party or boring wedding like a good fight!

Well, in that case...does it mean that the odds are calculated on mean points versus body skill, or something like that?  Because it does annoy me when a sim with maxed body skills gets beaten by a novice, just because the novice is madder!

I was under the impression that fight experience was like a hidden skill.  More fight experience, in that case, would play a part in the equation as well.  My mean fighting sims seem to do better in fights against nice sims with less experience, for example.  Might be my imagination.

Same here: enemies accumulate, no fightclub. Stella Young (note: 9/10 of my playables have the same last name), a married-in tourist-townie who is now an elder, spends a fourth of her life in that fist-pound animation. A half of it is spent pummeling tourists (usually Rochelle Norris, Enemy #1, who carried on an affair with Stella's hubby for a bit - gotta love ACR). The other fourth is divided between sleeping and walking around with the pregnant-walk animation, because I borked her good trying to clear all her attempts at a third child. I choose to believe it's an injury sustained from all the excessive fighting.

Stella's a Knowledge sim. Somehow, without fight club, she's yet to lose a fight...at approximately thirty fights in her lifetime.

Well, in a recently played lot, Jimmy Lee Tan came home from work with Alan Field's missus.  Both Alan and Jimmy Lee are Romance sims, both have only 3 nice points, and at that point they didn't know each other.  Jimmy Lee came on to Mrs Field, Alan was only to happy to pound his fists together and wade in against Jimmy Lee, even though he only had about 3 body skill points to Jimmy Lee's ten.  Neither had ever been in a fight before, probably because they're also both very outgoing.  I expected Jimmy Lee to win hands down, but obviously Alan had the extra impetus of the avenging husband!

I have a neighborhood packed with very neat, very mean Sims, mostly Scorpios with a Virgo and Taurus or two.  There aren't that many real *fights,*  but they do wander around slamming their fists into their palms.  The YAs especially do it as they stroll off to class, making a grouchy face as they go.  I always thought it was just that they loathe other Sims generally on principle.  I don't have a problem with this. 

I also have a lot of Sims who walk up to complete strangers and Argue, and my simself (three nice points) Pokes a lot of sims for the sheer heck of it. So does her Servo, who has the same nasty personality, and who is loathed throughout the neighborhood. As I said, I have no problem with this.  I think the OP *may* be looking at standard mean sim stuff (which without a mod, also includes completely random furiousness at inanimate objects--"I hate you, easel!")  They're *supposed* to be mean.

The new couple, though. . . that sounds weird.  I don't care how mean and evil a Sim is, most of the time when I create a couple, especially a married couple, in CAS, they kick things off by giving backrubs or making out at the mailbox.  I have a Scorpio Romance/Pisces Pleasure couple with three bolts.  He is always walking up to her and starting an Argue.  I don't even cancel it out of his queue anymore, as their relationship dips, she grabs him and make out with him, and the relationship bounces back to the high nineties. They're just that kind of couple.  Obviously fighting turns him on.

In fact, the whole thing sounds funky, as while some of my Sims develop big hates for townies and dormies, given a choice most of mine would rather be friends.  Sims are very social, even the unsociable ones. That's why Bachelor Challenges work.

PB

However, if the new couple consists of one very neat, mean sim, and a sloppy Libra or Sagittarius, and there is no nopuddlerage in the hacks folder, then every time that sloppy sim has a shower, the mean, neat one will fume at all the puddles they leave behind.  In one game where I was playing Don Lothario, his new maid accepted a 100 simoleons tip, swooned over him, then came back in the middle of the night and kicked over his trash can!

If you must have mean sims, better they are Leos and sloppy - they'll still kick over trashcans and steal newspapers, but since they are also outgoing, they have an overriding desire to make friends!  Some of my most popular (among other sims) have been Leos with complete outgoing and playful, which leaves very little points for the other traits!

From the RTFM:
"Makes fighting a more desirable option in the game, eliminating those bizarre
"phalanx defeats battleship" outcomes by making fight loops keep score and
accumulate advantages instead of simply having their outcomes ignored. Fighting
is now also more skill-based, with Mechanical and Logic skill playing small
roles alongside Body. Combat experience adds a bonus to the fighter's skill.
Grouchy sims will find fighting to be fun! The more grouchy the sim, the more
fun fighting is!

(Pets Only!) Werewolves no longer automatically win every "Savage" attack,
although they do receive a hefty battle bonus for being werewolves. Sims can
now avoid becoming a werewolf if they do not lose any of the combat rounds.
Losing any combat rounds will result in being bitten and becoming a werewolf,
even if they win the battle. (Not relevant without Pets)"

Thanks, I guess I should have taken the trouble to look....but maybe, just maybe, I'll give it a try....

So, this pummeling of fists IS an animation. Cool to know!  ;D

See, all of my sims are given a great number of nice points, because from almost the beginning I decided fighting sucked. Harmony ruled!

I now, however, have changed my stance a bit and look forward to playing the game again in quite a different way. Maybe Pes has finally rubbed off on me (or RL) :P, and I actually WANT to see some real fighting. Up to now, my only fight in game was Don Lothario beating up Cassandra Goth at the alter. :D (Which really pissed me off).  :D

Hopefully PF will forgive my initial reticence. ;)

Cassandra usually asks for it!  Even Beau, when she was married to him, beat her to a pulp when she kissed Daniel!

After I installed BV, I thought it would be easier to install the most recently updated director's cut and delete the hacks I don't use. I removed fightcub, but accidently left enemiesaccumulate in.  Man, I never saw so many fights in a neighborhood.  I would suspect that's what happened to the op.

But it has the opposite effect, too, if your sims are best friends, the relationship doesn't decay as fast, so you don't need to spend two sim days on the phone keeping up with all the friends your Popularity sims have!  And while your YAs are at Uni, they rarely dip below 100/100 for the sims back in the neighbourhood - so much so, in fact, that even Romance sims get the urge to talk to a family member!

http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n286/asthehind/?action=view&current=snapshot_703c5dcf_d1cfda5b.jpg

This picture show the 'fists pounding' animation. Vyn is a sim with no nice points, and she does this constantly. She's managed to pass her mental instability to three of her four kids - one has an ego the size of Saturn, one is a grilled cheese sim with no shame (she seems to relish an audience in the bathroom!) and the third is as mean as her mother and counts arguing with herself in the mirror among her hobbies.

Well, with a face like that, who wouldn't hate their reflection? ;D

Her husband seemed to like it.  ;) Here's their crazy mirror-arguing daughter demonstrating her 'angry face'.
http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n286/asthehind/?action=view&current=snapshot_1084cc98_1160e843.jpg

There IS a "fist-pounding" animation that seems to come with the basic game, although I don't think it's related to anger/fighting.  Teenage Angela Pleasant and Lilith do it when they are walking from place to place.  When they are walking from spot to spot, they will do a thing where they snap their fingers and slap their hands.  (I swear this -- if you haven't seen it, you just haven't paid attention.).  Sort of a nervous tic, programmed into the game for some reason.

It's a result of their personality - other sims tend to tap their foreheads, others (the most outgoing) point their fingers at other sims and the fist-pounding seems to be done by sims with few nice points.

It's like the hand-clapping for active sims, but I think Lilith and Angela do the fist-pounding because they're each thinking about attacking the other twin (in other words, it's related to fighting!).  In fact, if you leave them to do their own thing, that's generally what happens!

Well, yes, in the first few days of playing the Pleasant family.  I had them make friends, grow up, move out, marry their respective boyfriends, but they still do the snap-pounding thing when they are pacing idly. 

A good way to see this -- invite them to a house and then don't greet them.  They will pace up and down doing the snap-pound thing until you greet them or they lose patience and leave.

Most sims will do that if you don't greet them.  They get low on social and cantankerous - and when you have the welcome wagon, it must be very frustrating to them not to be able to talk to the other visitors until you have your sim greet them.   I use the teleport thingy from Valdea.com now (part of the Workers' set, which you can remove and just leave the teleporter in) and it's default setting is to autogreet (although you can disable that if you want). 

I think it's a nervous fist-pounding action, unrelated to the one where they are planning an attack......

That's an animation active Sims use all the time, it's in no way specific to Lilith and Angela. Mean Sims scowl, outgoing Sims do the finger-pointing thing, shy Sims wring their hands, serious Sims talk to themselves, and super nice Sims do this:
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd183/neriana111/snapshot_b3eb815e_d40c8d38.jpg)

Then you SHOULD get The Fight Club. It is a popular misconception that the Fight Club causes sims to want to fight more. This is untrue, the advertisement values are unaltered. What *IS* affected is the desirability of fighting to YOU: When the outcome is something you actually have the ability to influence, rather than a totally off the wall phalanx vs. battleship roll that you can't affect in any way, the option to do battle becomes much more appealing. Without the Fight Club, it is pointless to even bother, because you won't even win.

If you have the Fight Club, this is true: If you do not, there is absolutely nothing which has any meaningful influence on the outcome: If it is anything other than a 10-0 match, you basically always lose. What you see doesn't even matter, as the action has no correlation to the outcome. The Fight Club changes all this, replacing single-random-roll with a randomwalk tied to the action, so you can actually watch the fight!

Pes, I do actually have it, just haven't tried it - will pop it in my hacks folder and wait for the next furious sim to start a fight.....

I just want to say thank you for all the feedback...even though some seem to be skeptical...

What I have done to try and rectify the situation is I went through all of my download folder, I have as I said before only the two hacks in the game.  So I figured of course it must be a cc problem.  However, I cannot seem to narrow down the problem to any specific cc file.  My next step I suppose is to go through the long process of the 50-50 elimination.  I dread doing this as I have over 19,000 files in my cc folder ugh. 

On another note...I do appologize that some may think I am merely trying to waste your time...that was not my intention, I really would like to find out what the problem is and how to fix it so that I can actually play my game.  Right now, I cannot play because all of my sims are furious with every other sim and just want to pummel them all, regardless if they have other more important needs to attend to.

Thank you again, any other ideas are greatly appreciated!

Speaking of animations, I don't remember seeing the check-my-underarrms one lately.  Did that go away during one of the EPs or do I just not have the right kind of sims?

I believe general consensus is that you are legitimately trying to find an answer to something, which many of us had never seen before.  Your name remains untainted.


Two mods is a reasonably sparse downloads folder.  You may want to explore other Awesome hacks that might reduce annoyances in your game.  There are also a number of "critical fixes" which will save you trouble in the longer term as you play.  Browse the hack descriptions available in The Firing Range and The Armory sections (accessible from the main page).  You may find what you are looking for, and a number of other things that would be useful/essential (i.e. antiredundancy.package is critical for BV to stop overspawning of useless NPC characters).


This is where the debate is focused.  It is not clear to me that you have an actual problem.  Some types of sims (Scorpios?) and those with very low niceness, tend to pick fights.  Not quite sure what's happening with your married couple.  I would try running with debug on (boolprop testingcheatsenabled true) and make manual adjustments to the niceness bars and relationship scores (change for both affected sims - just drag them out of the minus levels). 

If you can cancel the fight interactions manually, do so, and try to get your sims to do more positive interactions.  If you can't cancel them, that might indicate a problem.  Try to get them to make friends through chat, play, appreciate type interactions (especially the married ones).  Once they are furious, they will just keep fighting unless you cancel the fights and make them "make nice".

Read the posts above discussing thefightclub.package.  This makes fighting more worthwhile to your sims, but also prevents fast relationship decay.  As you will note from previous posts many of us kinda like some of our sims to fight, for the entertainment value.  New married couples that come out of CAS fighting is odd.

19,000 download files is a lot to run through SimPe to check for corrupted files or duplicate GUIDs, but if your PC can handle it and you can face the time it will take, it's one way of sorting out the nasties.  Clean Installer will find duplicate files for you (shown in pink) but not duplicate GUIDs, however probably worth doing first.  It will also show up, in red, a lot of hacked files (some of which may have been downloaded with lots) and this might prove illuminating.


I still see Libras in particular doing the underarm thing.

Oh, and it's enemiesaccumulate that affects relationship points.

Here is a link to a video I have uploaded to my server so you can sort of see what I am talking about,

www.enchantedpixie.com/sims/test.html  (http://www.enchantedpixie.com/sims/test.html)

Now this is a couple I have been playing for a long time, normally they are very much in love, whenever one walks into the room where the other is, the start fanning themselve and little hearts start floating around thier heads, they also had a relationship score of 100/100. When making this video, I entered the lot, then before they could have any autonomous interaction, I gave the command to make out, which you see in the beginning of the video, then when they are done, they just start fighting, there was no provoking, annoying or anything, just fists flying. Any ideas...

That's definitely wierd.  Have you tried deleting groups.cache?  It sometimes fixes things when the game generates a new one.

Do that first, if it doesn't work, exit your game and try removing ALL your downloads to see whether the behaviour continues with no cc at all.(Leave your clothing and hair etc files in for the moment, as I can't see that it would be any of those causing the problem).  If it does, then replace it one folder at a time until the behaviour appears again.  You don't need to save your game when you exit, and while you are low on downloads, loading time will be faster. 

Now, if you put in a folder and the behaviours starts again, remove that folder and put in another of similar size.  If the behaviour still continues, then it's an overstuffed downloads folder that's causing the problem.  If the behaviour doesn't continue, then you've isolated ONE of the offending folders.  Check that folder for anything that might be duplicated elsewhere if you haven't done so already, also check that folder in Simpe for corrupted files etc.  If you still can't find the offender, then put half that folder back to see if the problem is in that half.  If it isn't, put back half the remainder (but put it in another folder for now) and if you still haven't found the offender, just keep doing more of the same.  And what's the betting if there is an offender, it's the very last one left on your desktop!

4-1 odds on and no takers?  ;D

Well, you can't go against Sod's Law! ;D

This may sound odd coming from me but The Fight Club makes fighting take too damn long. I've had some FC fights that took hours, and that just seems a bit unreasonable to me.

Sim hours, or you and me hours?  Guess Lilith and Angela will keep missing the school bus!

One time, I had a brand new neighborhood, and the very first day of playing it, two townies got into a FC fight at about 2pm that lasted till well past 6pm. Not hours for you or me, but definitely hours for them.

Oh, well, if it's townies you could just zap them!  Or smite them!

In that sort of situation, I always Force Error on the offending parties and make a note to delete the hack that causes it.

So, have you many hacks left?

/me counts...

Of Pescado's I have 166. Of my own creation, I have about 70 or so. About 30 are of TJ's creation. Maybe about 50 or so others.

Obviously it's the others (non awesome) that are the ones that get deleted!

BV has reversed the tide on Don Lothario jilting Cassandra at the altar though,Cassandra and Don are married in my game; but not before Cassandra initially jilted Don at the altar!It took literally 6 sim hours of macro-socializing to drag them back to the altar and  finally get married just ahead of the birth of their only child Denise. Cassandra has shown no wants for children in my game despite the fact she is  a family sim ??? Don of course really doesnt care one way or the other if he has kids or not,although he is by far a better parent than Cassandra!

I wonder how Cass got pregnant at that stage - she's never been pregnant when you first open the Goth house before!  BTW, Don and Nina are a marriage made in heaven - they even find time to clean up after the Critturs - and teach them stuff!  Cassandra takes all day humming and hawing to do a quarter of what Nina can achieve in ten sim minutes!  Plus Don and Nina can have 3 bolts with a bit of tweaking!

I would never punish Nina by making her marry Don. I had her buy a nice house once she could afford it, and moved the Broke family in with her.

As for Cassandra, she's a creepy weirdo and I married her to Remington, but now I think he's much too good for her.

Honestly, they worked really well as a couple - and their house had the cleanest windows in Pleasantview!

As for Cassandra, I twice banished her to the cottage in the woods (once after she cheated on Beau - I'd played the Brokes for quite a while before I played the Goths and Beau was an adult when they met - and once after she cheated on a CAS sim I'd married her to in another install - he was after the family money, and he got it all!

she wasn't pregnant  whe I opened the original Goth lot,I moved the Goth's to a new house Cassandra got pregnant through risky woohoo on a dream date with Don earlier.I like Don and Cassandra's genetics better than Nina's combined with Don.

Well, they had a beautiful pair of twins when they were married in my game.  Unfortunately, that game is history so I don't have pics.

If you moved the Goths out, you can't blame EAxis if the wedding went wrong!  That coding would only apply at the very beginning - I think the game rather expects you to play the Goths first, before you have time to improve their relationship scores.

Actually I rather liked the change! It was boring  seeing Don Jilt Cassandra at the altar .
This  time Don was jilted it was fun to see ;D macro socializing did the trick and out side of Don having the memory of being left at the altar the first time, they are now married and Don is quite happy with his baby daughter whereas Cassandra is decidedly indifferent towards her infant and is not getting the want for more babies.Mortimer is a doting grandpa and is making an effort to befriend Don.Also even though Cassandra did the proposing this time aroung and it is the Goth lot they all live in the game changed Cassandra's last name to Lothario

That sounds like you have Pescado's marriage-traditional fix in, Bangel. The wife always takes the husband's name with it installed.

I'm sure it would be that, Emma.  EAxis wouldn't "fix" a "feature" which might then offend a lot of feminists.....

And although the proposer may get the option to propose before they reach a maximum 100/100 and crush+love, it's the proposee that you need to check first, and if they aren't living on the lot, you really need to make them selectable if you aren't absolutely sure the relationship hasn't decayed.  I've had it happen when the proposer throws a wedding party, inviting the intended spouse plus guests, but by the time he/she gets the intended to the wedding arch, the intended is no longer keen on the idea of marriage and throws a wobbly.  Usually, though, it's possible to remedy that with a quick make-out or two!

I think this is an effect of having two completely inept losers fighting, where neither one can gain the advantage needed to win, so it goes back and forth. Since neither combatant is capable of achieving the necessary advantage to defeat his opponent, like in real life, it becomes a battle of attrition, where the combatants fight until one of them is too exhausted to move.

That would make sense if they were both Body = 10 (for endurance), but I really don't see two Body = 2 sims fighting for more than 2 minutes.

Oh, I don't know, I've had a few instances of dormies fighting the cow mascot for much more than a couple of sim hours, and the dormie didn't usually have much in the way of any skills at all.  (Just didn't like being pranked and annoyed!)  And this is without the mod installed.

Heh, I had a couple of Sims who always attack each other on sight begin fighting at a wedding, fightclub installed and all. They starting fighting at 6 PM and it was about 4 or 5 AM when they finished and left. The family was asleep and they were fighting on high speed, just on and on. It was actually pretty funny, since they were just visitors.

If their outside, you could of course really make their day (night I mean) by smiting them! ;D

Okay, an update on the current situation...yesterday I went through the 6 hour long process of the 50/50 method trying to find the problem...the good news is  though I never narrowed it down to a single item, having everything installed worked beautifully. The bad news is that playing a family such as the Wan or other that actually came with the game, there are NO fights, thats right no fighting whatsoever, unless of course they call up a friend in the neighborhood that did NOT come with the game i.e. a sim I created in CAS, when the visitor first gets there all is well, after about a minute (our time) the fighting commences, with the visitor though, not with a fellow family or household member.  This leads me to belive that it does in fact have something to do with custom sims created in CAS and NOT a problem with an object, I am going back in to play a genuine Maxis created family and completely redecorate thier home just to be sure, placing the most common things unanimous thoroughout all of my custom sim homes and see if it causes some family strife.  However any feedback on this phenomenon would be greatly appreciate as I have NEVER heard of anything used in CAS causing any problems unless there was a MESH missing or something like that.  I haven't heard of anything you use in CAS creating behavior problems...

Thanks for all the feedback so far, relevant and not as your posts make for amusing reading and some great ideas LOL.

Smiles - PF

Maybe it's a dangling DNA problem.  Did you delete your townies?  If so, then I believe the Riverblossom townies can be pretty aggressive, and if they were deleted and their SWAFs and DNA etc. remained, which they would unless you used SimPE to clean them up, your CAS sims might have inherited their nasty DNA....just a thought, but even without SimPe it's possible to find which characters are townies with the Clean Installer and then get rid of their files before you play the game - but if you don't clean up afterwards, all those nasties will remain, and your CAS sims will take over their character file numbers.

Of your sims that fight, please tell me the astrological sign, aspirations and turn on and turn offs of the worst of your fighting sims, especially if they are married or if they fight with a specific sim all the time, knowing these things will help.  A missing mesh in CAS should not cause this kind of problem and I watched your video and it was downright weird.  The wife acted like she had caught him cheating.  Also, go through their memories and see if anything did happen you might not have noticed.

If you don't have BV loaded, you can also use SimPE to edit your sims and their memories.  I'm really curious to know the details of your worst fighting sims, if you could please post that info, it'd be great!

I rather think they're all Pescado clones.......

When they're both so sad, they don't apply themselves with any real effort, and thus don't wear out. I've seen how long it takes noobs to fight, they're BAD at it so they don't do any damage with their ineffectual limp-wristed flailings.

Okay, next update in this wierd behavior saga...I played the wan family for a few hours Saturday...here is what I found, first off, when I opened up the family, I deleted everything in the house and redecorated with all custom content, placing in the house the few items that are universal in all of my custom sim houses.  Still no fighting within the family household.  Anywho, like I said before I thought it was something going on with CAS because it only seemed to be happening with sims I created in CAS...well, low and behold after 3 sim days playing the Wan family, all custom content, no fighting.  But, I had a "jog by" with a Maxis created sim, so I had the jogger be greeted by Ms. Wan. OMG the fighting commenced, for no reason.


As far as the info requested...The only thing they have in common I thought was that it was happening with sims I created in CAS...well as you read above, maybe it has something to do with non-family members.  All of the sims who fight have various astrological signs, aspirations, turn ons and turn offs.  Some are married and some are not.  If I go into a household created by Maxis, there is family harmony with no fighting, unless a non-family member enters the equation, but if I enter a household created by me in CAS they will fight no matter if there are non-family members present or not.  I am so not understanding this wierd behavior in my sims, and I have done all I know to do to resolve the problem and narrow it down...the only thing I have left I think is to completely uninstall the game and start over from scratch.  Any other ideas would be great though :)

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You could try building a new hood with one CAS family and see if the behaviour is reproduced.  If not, then it would be narrowed down to a problem with your current 'hood.  You'd know then at least if it was a generalized problem or localized.  If you play one of the Maxis hoods (i.e. create a CAS couple and settle them in Pleasantview, for example), would the fighting continue?