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ok not sure this is really the place to put it, but has anyone made or can anyone make new Life Time  wants ..

i have got the hack that allows the career ones to be picked by any asperation, but seriously if i get another family sim with the marry off 6 kids want or another romance sim who wants to be a slacker im going to go insane.... especially as theres all the new cool jobs included in alot of the EP's that don't come up.   

Not to mention the pleasure sim asperations that just plain suck..sure 50 first dates or dream dates is fun once.. or twice .. but with a neighbourhood population of over 200 im going to go insane if i have to go though that one again. :)

not asking for anything fancy maybe just some to include the new careers.. anything would be helpful.

New LTWs are not practical, as doing so requires tampering with core files and the entire mess is not modular, so only a single such hack may be used.

Is that what they had to do when they added the new LTW in Seasons?
Or have they changed something in that area of the game now?

*hoping that it will now all of a sudden be feasible to add new LTW*

Leiela, you can always reroll the LTW with Pes' lot debugger batman thingie.  I personally wish there was an easier way - just click and choose - but it's good enough if you have patience.

leiela,

Try the additional LTWs that Squinge enabled http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=39837 These are just the 4 (Artist, Show Biz, Natural Science, & Paranormal ) that EA never enabled

Moniquinin, you can also cycle through the LTWs on the lot debugger.  If you're after a specific LTW then it's faster than choosing reroll LTW.

Leiela, if you're using Pescado's ltwvariety hack, then the LTWs they roll up can be affected by their interests, so tweaking the interests can help.  It's also not a good idea to use it in a fairly new neighbourhood, it's better to wait until the hood is a generation or two old.  This is because the mod takes into account their parents' LTWs so that careers can run in families.

That being said, I ended up taking ltwvariety out of my game as I was ending up with almost everyone wanting to be either Celebrity Chef, Captain Hero, or Hall of Famer.  Some LTWs, such as General, I rarely (if ever) saw in my game.  I was using the mod to give a wider choice of career LTWs to my family sims - but it only added one that I could see (culinary).

Could it be that they didn't have enough interest points relevant to the LTW you'd like them to roll? For example, if a sim has no or low interest in crime, they'll never want to be Captain Hero or Criminal Mastermind.

If you want to go the easy (well, somewhat) route, you can download Squinge's All LTWs for All Aspirations (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=38886) hack. Personally, I love it.


Has anyone used this? It seems you just put the files in the downloads folder, without having to edit anything. But I heard somewhere that it wasn't safe.

Has anyone used this? It seems you just put the files in the downloads folder, without having to edit anything. But I heard somewhere that it wasn't safe.
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I've used it for over a year and haven't had a problem with it at all.

I've tried maxing out politics, health and sports, as those are the only ones I can think of that would be relevant to the military career.  My sims then roll up LTWs for Mayor, Chief of Staff and Hall of Famer.  But not for General.  It seems that not even Popularity sims get it when I have ltwvariety in my game. 

It's the career I'd most like to put my sims in (after the new Education one) due to the reward.  Currently I don't switch my sims to different careers.  Not long after Uni I tried career switching to farm the career rewards and got bored with it (even though I had a self-imposed rule that they had to reach the top before I switched).  My sims now get their LTW career as their only career.  The only exception to this is if I want the lot to have one of the uni career rewards.


It's my understanding that you have to mess with the core game files to use Squinge's hack for LTWs, and that you have to remember to uninstall it when you patch or install a new EP.  Too much messing about for me.

Actually, I've been playing with his hack for a whiles, and I managed to install both Pets and more recently Seasons without even having to take those files out or put back the original ones.  Honestly, I totally forgot to do this for Pets and it just worked.  For seasons, I just tried it to see if it work, and it didn't complain at all. *shrugs*

I'm not necessarily encouraging you to try the hack just because I may have been lucky.  But it really isn't that much harder to install the hack and/or revert back to the originals.  Just keep copies of the originals in case you ever want to go back.  Installation just involves overwriting the originals with the hack and places the memories in your downloads folder.  It's pretty simple.  It's a shame that Maxis EA doesn't just enable them already.  I've echoed this over and over like a broken record, but if it can somewhat easily be hacked in there,  then it's not much more work for them to just include them already.  Hell, they could just release it as part of a patch, and make it available to those who just have Uni.

Ste

I always forget to take that hack out before patching or adding an EP.

Me too. I've had Squinge's LTWs in and always forget to "put things back" before installing a new EP or patch. Never had a problem either. I always back up my favorite hood before doing anything, but haven't ever had to revert to the backup after installs.

I've definitely been enjoying the new LTWs with Seasons - but I bet (nah, I know) that they didn't go ahead and enable the ones for Uni... sigh. So dumb, they could have done it right then and it would have been fine! They already spam the teenagers to go to college from the day they turn "12", they might as well have put those in!

my knowledge and family sims are constantly rolling the Education career LTW.

It seems personality affects LTWs too. Maybe your sims are too nice, or not active enough, something like that. I have 2 Popularity sims in my game and they manage to roll LTWs for becoming General.

Whether you remember to take out the files or not is a moot point anyway since the latest version of this hack only requires the files to be in Downloads (in a sub-folder if you like).  You don't have to do anything with base game files.

I hopped on over to Insim and checked out Squinge's section.  I hadn't realised he'd made 3 hacks relating to LTWs, as the only LTW hack of his that I'd heard of was the one that previously required messing with core game files to add in the Uni career LTWs.  I'm not interested in the one that reduces the requirements for non-career LTWs, but the other two certainly look tempting.

Any testimonials as to whether Squinge's hack plays nicely with ltwvariety?

Ste, I remember you in a discussion about this hack in another thread a while ago.  At the time, I wanted it but knew I was not in a sufficient state of Awesome Readiness to do the maintenance for anything but my DL folder.  Even if you all have been lucky, I just hate the headache of sifting through hacks when something goes borken.

Anyway, I now have at least one other hack which requires such coddling, and more importantly a system of reminding myself of their existence.  I feel ready.  8)  Just wanted to confirm, if you hang out here long enough, eventually you get drawn over to the dark side...  ;D

Me three.  Lol.  Well... actually me first, since I did mention it first.  Hee ;D But yeah, it's good to know that I'm not the only scatterbrain that forgot to do this.  Happened to me once with no ill effects, so I just tried it again purposefully the next time around and still, no ill effects (thus far *knocks on wood* :P).  Besides, it's not that hard to revert to back up anyways.



Hrm... well, if you're talkin about the hacks that change or obliterate aspiration dependency, that makes sense.  Those are just regular ole BHAV hacks.  As for the Uni related LTWs?  You mean you can actually stick the Want .packages in Downloads?  I didn't bother reading the rtfm (is there even one?) I just pretty much stuck to what already worked.  I suppose I could re-roll through LTWs and see if they show up.  The majority of my sims are boring and all have the same LTWs (Knowledge get max 7 skills, Fortune typically gets earn $100..., Popularity gets have 20 Best Friends, and Romance gets have/woohoo 20 lovers).  I only had a handful that actually had Uni career related LTWs...



Depends on which hack you mean.  If you are talking about the one(s) that add enable the Uni career related LTWs, then yes, they play fine together.  ltwvariety was hacked in the first place with the intention that, should Maxis EA ever actually enable those LTWs, ltwvariety would already affect them accordingly.  ltwvariety and Squinge's uni career related LTWs hacks modify totally different things, so they do not conflict.  In fact, they work perfectly together imho.

Now, if you mean the other Squingey hacks that change the number requirements or which aspirations get them, my guess is no.  At least definitely no for the later one (that changes aspiration dependency) since I'm pretty sure ltwvariety affect that too.  As for the requirements one (like reducing them to 10 sims instead of 20), I don't know about that.


I've been using Squinge's uni career related hack since he first released it and I haven't had any issues since.  If it is true that you can just stick them in the Downloads folder and not have to worry about anything else, then that makes things much easier. *shrugs* I could probably test it out one of these days, but meh.  I barely get a chance to actually play for reals.  If anyone can confirm this, then perhaps the same thing would go for my teen woohoo wants hack.  That would definitely be useful to know. :)

Ste

LTWs are owning what?

"LTW's" is appropriate grammar, because LTW is an acronym. You also should type as "TV's" and "VCR's" as other examples. "Life Time Want's" would be incorrect, sure, but acronyms are supposed to always use an apostrophe.

Yeah, what Syberspunk said. You can use the hack that enables the Uni careers with ltwvariety OR with Squinge's Any LTW for all aspirations. But not both. Squinge's hack allows any aspiration to have any of the LTWs. You have to still use lot debugger to reroll the LTW to get what you want. Or you can use ltwvariety that comes with its own specific set of rules governing who can have what LTW. It's your choice. Ltwvariety will "see" the new LTWs if you have them enabled.

I was just over at Squingeland and looked at the "New LTWs mod". It still requires you to modify the base files as well as drop stuff in Downloads. Maybe someone was thinking of one of his other LTW mods?
http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=26700
This is the Pets version. It hasn't been updated for Seasons yet as per his thread in the EP5 section entitled "Any LTW for all aspirations".

Not in this case. If it was punctuated as "L.T.W.", an apostrophe would be used. See below for general rules:
EDIT: Wrong source.

Huh. It seems the Seasons version (http://www.insimenator.net/showthread.php?t=39837) of the hack just requires you to drop stuff in the Downloads folder. I'd be more than glad to use the hack if I didn't have to modify core game files.

WITCH FTW!!!

Didn't see that. I only saw the "haven't updated it yet" thread.

Interestingly, the file still contains wants.package and wantstuning.package although the intructions do say to drop it all into the downloads folder.

Has anyone tried to see if it actually works correctly this way?

I don't have Seasons yet, so I can't test it myself.

I just tested it. It does appear to work correctly, which is great.

I missed the 'drop it all in downloads' thing, and did the old method of replacing the wants and wantstuning files in the game directory, and it works fine that way too.

I did not even know that there was new LTWs with seasons  :-\

Yes, it is working so far in my game.  I don't see why it should be a problem since the game seems to read anything in Downloads last and that overrides game files.  A lot of hacks and mods work that way - in fact, most do surely?  It used to be said that replacing your CAS!.package required changing base game files but they work just fine in Downloads too.

That is interesting. This issue warrants further exploration. It may be that they entirely changed how this stuff is read and more things may be open to overriding. If so, an Awesome version may be in the works.

Speaking of LTW, is it possible to repeat the 20 best friends over again without first destroying friendships?  Especially if you've already hit the 30 best friends want. I know the career ones are easy to redo over.

A LTW to be a Montana Mountain Man, eating raw meat and wearing bear pelts?  :o

Wait for them to die?

Oooh. New Shinys! I've been holding off on the teen woohoo wants hack because of already changing stuff with Squinge's mods. Looking forward to these!

An experimental revision of the Squinge LTW Mod is here (http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/ffs/seasons/test/uni_ltws_sns.zip). In the event that this link stops working, it will be because it was either discontinued or moved here (http://[url=http://www.moreawesomethanyou.com/ffs/seasons/hacks/uni_ltws_sns.zip). I've posted this information over in Squingeland also.

Due to the way LTWs interface with the game, it remains impossible to load more than a single LTW-modifying hack into the game. Ordinary wants may be possible, however. More experiments are currently under way.

/me is non-awesome and a little confused. 

By LTW-modifying hack do you mean a hack that modifies the LTWs available in the game, or do you also mean hacks such as ltwvariety that modify the range of LTWs available to a sim?

Modifies available LTWs by adding new ones. LTWvariety only modifies BHAV check trees, not wants themselves. More experimentation is ongoing.

Thanks for clearing up my confusion.

Does this experimentation include a completely new LTW: winning x number of fights?  Grouchy, active sims would love that want.

I am encountering some unusual behavior in the way wants appear to override. It appears possible to install a nonexistent want, yet an override for an existing want appears to fail to take.

well I just deleted squinge's and stuck yours in...i'll let you know if my game goes 'asplodie.

ah, great :-) Even if just one version works in the downloads folder, I woud like to see an awesome version with the uni careers and some extra goodies :-)

Heh. So I went and told Squinge about this, and he apparently responded by nuking my post. See if I tell HIM about any more shiny findings.

hrrrmph. snob.

Probably because of the massive size reduction you mentioned in your post over there (from nearly 1 MB to 32 kB).  Whoever deleted your post probably thought that kind of size reduction made Squinge look like a sloppy coder.

I'll take massive size reduction in my hacks any day...That being said, I'm trying JM's version.  I loved finding the uni LTW's immediately.  I played all day without anything exploding. 

hasn't that been pes's claim all along?

oooo - terrif.  Salutes - off to test.

I don't s'pose there's any chance of this being made available for Pets?  Seasons hasn't come to mac, y'see...  I put Squinge's into my game, but 1MB vs. 32K... that's a pretty big difference.

It is not certain that the technique is effective with ZOMGPETZ!!!111oneoneone.

JM, you just made my day! I know you don't approve of thank you so here is a :-* instead.

As soon as I get off nightshift I will try out this new shiny.

Stupid-ass question (but then I admit to being a stupid ass): If I download a hack and place it in my lovely downloads/hacks folder while in-game, do I have to quit and restart for it to kick in? I've twins about to turn teens.

Yes - and admitting it doesn't make it any less daft.

I just tried putting the wants packages in the Downloads folder with a Pets game, and it doens't work :( So no luck for us.

I'm very happy to have read this thread and found an awesome version of this hack.  Makes me wonder what else I've overlooked.  Awesome hacks are always welcome in my game.

Just a quick question regarding LTWs : While flipping through my Uni guide (Prima) the other night I noticed that they had a list of the various (current-for-that-EP) LTWs. I couldn't help but notice that one of them was something like Have 10 Kids Abducted By Aliens.

I have yet to see (re-roll) this LTW. Was it overwriten by one of the later EPs or....???

I am using the "anyLTWforallaspirations" mod, plus the "enable the Uni career LTWs" hacks in a game with all EPs including Seasons. I've cycled through all the LTWs with the LotDebugger but no dice! All the other LTWs are there though. Not that's it's a big deal (it's kinda a freaky LTW) but it just made me curious.

-ZW

I'm pretty sure those LTWs were either disabled or "oops"'d out before the expansion shipped.  The prima guides are written before the game ships, so sometimes there are things in it that aren't actually in the game because of last-minute changes. 

Am I in the ballpark here, Pes?

Although I vaguely recall reading about this LTW (the 10 kids abducted by aliens), I have not seen this in the code.  It would be neat if there were parts that existed and it just needed to be hooked up properly like the Uni Career LTWs tho.

Sadly... even with ltwvariety, or perhaps because of it? My sims are all quite boring, and the majority of them all tend to have the same exact LTWs:

1) Popularity = have 20 best friends
2) Knowledge = Max 7 Skills
3) Fortune = Earn $100,000,000 (or whatever it is)
4) Romance = Woohoo with 20 sims or have 20 simultaneous lovers
5) Pleasure = Have 50 First/Dream Dates

Ugh!  Stupid generic sims with like generic interests.  One of these days, I'll get around to adding an LTW re-roller that deducts aspiration points maybe to that Asp ReNuYu Orb thingy.  I should just narf the reroller code from the FFS Lot Debugger and slap it together. :P


I think I had one sim that actually had one of the Uni Career LTWs on their own, without me necessarily re-rolling... but I don't remember which sim that was now.  I'll have to look through them again and hope it hasn't managed to roll away.

Ste

Pescado, I seem to have uncovered a problem with your modification. Apparently my Sims can and do actually get the Uni LTWs, but they can't get the actual jobs, even if I shift+click on the newspaper with the testing cheats enabled.

Yea, I go back and forth on that hack -- there're times I leave it in, but when I start seeing a run of the same-old-same-old (or SSDD :) ), I pull it out again.

I can't wait to try this out.  I saw this in the test directory last night but haven't gotten a chance to play with it.  Does anyone know if this will conflict with Squinge's Any LTW mod?

Flamingo: Do your sims in question have university degrees? The Uni jobs won't appear anywhere if your sim isn't qualified to get them. If your CAS sim has an LTW for a Uni job - well, sometimes Life sucks - you could reroll their LTW using the FFS Lot Debugger, or the Cheese Orb, or use syberspunk's shiny hack to make Uni job requirements more realistic.

RainbowTigress: I suspect this may clash. El Presidente mentioned that only one LTW-altering hack can be used at a time. I don't run any Squingeland hacks myself, so I can't give you an answer from first-hand experience.

Actually, yes, they did graduate from Uni. I removed the hack and am going to see later today if it was that hack or not causing it.

The LTW variety hack and JM's Uni-unlock one seem to be completely compatible, though. I have both, and I'm getting loads of variety and ...just once so far...Uni-wants.

I experimented with this last night.  I ran the hack conflict scanner, and while Squinge's AnyLTW and Pes' ltwvariety do conflict, there is no conflict between Squinge's AnyLTW and Pes' uni LTW mod.  However, I ended up taking out Squinge's hack because it takes too long to cycle through all the LTW's to get to the one I want.  :P  I think I'll stick with ltwvariety, and if I have a sim I want a different LTW for, I'll spawn the Sim Modder through testingcheats. 

I was interested in Squinge's reduced requirements LTW mod for the ones like 3 children instead of 6, etc., which will help with curbing the population explosion, but I did not like changing Max 7 skills to 5 skills.  Usually my sim kids have maxed 5 skills already by the time they become a teen, and when I tested this in my test hood, the "Max 5 skills" would not roll up as  LTW for a teen who had maxed all but one skill point.  I had to take away two skills and 1 skill point from another before it would roll up.  Then she could get the LTW.  I tried changing the mod in SimPE from 5 to 7, but when I saved it, it blew up from 8k to 32k!  :o  Also the "Directory of Compressed files" entry disappeared.  I don't know why this is, but I couldn't figure out how to compress it again, so I just deleted it.  I would love to see one though that reduced the number of children or 1st/dream dates, etc., but not skills.  It would be awesome if we had one we could modify ourselves to make it harder/easier or just customize it to our personal playing style. 

50 dream dates is ridiculously easy. Just take a married or 100/100 couple to a community lot with some snapdragons, and have them continuously date, switching the asker each time. The snapdragon/dream date boost combo should keep you thoroughly in the green, and you don't have aging. It's just boring grinding. Now Grilled Cheese....why they made it something completely unattainable unless you plan on the sim being a porker is beyond me. 50 would be reasonable. 75 doable.

Yes, it is easy, but as you say, it's so mind-numbingly boring.  :P  That's one of the reasons I don't play Pleasure sims.  That and their boring wants.  Jump on the sofa.  Juggle.  Jump on the sofa some more.  Ask someone on a date.  Juggle.  Soak in hot tub.  Jump on sofa.  Play chess.  *pulls out hair*

That's why I don't play Romance sims. Woohoo in the bed...Woohoo in the hot tub....Woohoo in the photobooth...Make out with X, Make out with Y. Yawn. If they started actually wanting to be caught cheating or bork their girlfriend's brother right in front of her, then I'd be more interested. Hence, grilled cheese zombification. The Oversoul is not amused by Romance Sims. The Oversoul is amused by zombies shuffling around jonesing for melty cheesy goodness.

That reminds me...my current neighborhood needs a bit of necromatic meddling.

At least Romance sims get 3500 aspiration for each boring act.  Pleasure sims get 500 so you have to do 7x as many boring things.  I generally play with only two romance sims in my neighborhood (one male one female) but I won't play with pleasure sims at all any more.

And the thing is, the aspirational value of those "boring" things is discrete. If they had gotten ASP continuously like motive-satisfaction for doing silly stuff, it'd have been more tolerable: But they don't, so the result is that satisfying their wants involves running about starting and stopping activities like a severely ADHD child.

Yes, but I've known people like that IRL. The sims version appears to be a true and accurate representation of the pleasure-seeking personality, IMO. This doesn't make the behaviour any less irritating, however.

Well, I'm not sure how "moving one chess piece" really constitutes playing chess or kicking the ball once constitutes a proper game of kicky bag, really. But I guess I'm a completist and not at all a pleasure sim, given that I derive satisfaction from being uncomfortable and miserable.

Maybe in your honor the next EP will add the 'Misery' aspiration. :)