How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
Zazazu:
Quote from: syberspunk on 2007 October 11, 20:57:01
Zazazu, I love you like a fat kid lubs cake. But me thinks you've misunderstood Deviancy. I'm pretty sure Deviancy understands why people hate SecuROM and how the no-cd crack works.
It was the glaring "Bad Advice" header in their earlier post that set me off. I got that Deviancy doesn't like SecuRom either, and agree that installing other games with it will put it right back on your system...as well as applying patches and not still running from the then-outdated crack. Just after days/weeks of people trying to figure out how to get it off their systems, multiple people posting the instructions, them getting losted, etc. etc. to have someone say something that on a skim-read came off as ...for lack of a better word...assholey... got me. I've slept since then, and my current cold-killing fever has me feeling all warm and fuzzy and sleepy.
Deviancy:
Well in theory it is bad advice..
You're using instructions that were meant for people who uninstalled bioshock and have no intention of running bioshock again or any other securom release. The kids here still want to play the Sims.. they want Bon Voyage to work. Maxis may release another patch after this one that does address more issues, but this will force them right back to securom because as I said, the chances of a new nocd crack for newer Bon Voyage executables is very, very unlikely. Then someone goes on about using the old nocd crack and using it to re-write the newer patched executable, not bright. I don't mean to be offensive but that's like having a crappy pinto.. buying a new civic to replace that crappy pinto.. and then pulling the pintos transmission and putting it in the civic.
Any update done on that executabe is now gone because the nocd crack is the cracked old executable..
And yes, securom has issues.. and yes.. Maxis is naughty for using it.
But if you plan on patching the Sims.. or buying any of the newer cool games like Crysis, Far Cry 2 or Hellgate: London.. don't use these instructions..
If you don't plan on updating the Sims.. or playing any of those new games..
Follow the instructions..
That's all I'm saying..
Ambular:
Quote from: Deviancy on 2007 October 11, 22:22:49
Maxis may release another patch after this one that does address more issues, but this will force them right back to securom because as I said, the chances of a new nocd crack for newer Bon Voyage executables is very, very unlikely. Then someone goes on about using the old nocd crack and using it to re-write the newer patched executable, not bright. I don't mean to be offensive but that's like having a crappy pinto.. buying a new civic to replace that crappy pinto.. and then pulling the pintos transmission and putting it in the civic.
Any update done on that executabe is now gone because the nocd crack is the cracked old executable..
And as someone else pointed out, the likelihood of a new non-CD crack is higher now that the need for it is greater than with previous expansions. (In fact, if I'm not mistaken there are programmers frequenting this very board who could produce one if they put their minds to it.) Also, as I noted above, there is a precedent from an earlier Sims 2 expansion for using a combination of an old .exe with new versions of other files, which resulted in partial improvements for those who tried it, so it may--I emphasize may--be a useful strategy with Bon Voyage for those who wish to make the attempt. We don't know yet, because only one person has reported trying it and has not provided any detailed information about the results.
Please bear in mind that you are posting on a fairly advanced modding site here, not the BBS. Anyone who chooses to participate is expected to read carefully, heed whatever warnings they see, and take full informed responsibility for anything they do to their own computers. Kids who don't know what they're doing--or anyone who lacks a reasonable degree of common sense and computer savvy--are actively discouraged from hanging around here.
It's entirely appropriate to point out the potential downsides and risks of anything that's suggested. But writing off a possible course of action as bad advice before anybody has had a chance to thoroughly test it and discover just how useful or not it actually is, is not appreciated--especially when your rationale is basically "Some kid might try it and mess up his game(s)."
morriganrant:
Basically, it's assumed that the ones who want to remove Securom 7.x and then still play Bon Voyage either know how to do this, or at least deserve not to play it because they did not Lurk, instructions are everywhere. The use of the nocd key is the only way to play without secuRom reinstalling. If they are that determined to not play with SecuRom on their system, then using a few hacks to fix what the patch fixes instead of the, possibly also broken, patch should really not be an issue. It's a trade off, a working pc without SecuRom with a playable game or potentially the following issues, A 30 coaster, the possibility of viruses because your virus scan isn't working, a borked cd-burner and the feeling of being violated. The BioShock players who removed it but wanted to keep playing their game are also using no-cd keys right now. I had looked into it because of all these issues and I had planned on getting the game in the future.
If someone can't seem to accept that a trade off maybe needed in these circumstances, then why are they bothering trying to get rid of it? Although the patch and a no-cd is a questionable method, I have not seemed to have had any problem with it in the past, some people will do what they will do, regardless of what is advisable or not. All you can do is state the possible issues and let them have at it.
Currently I will not be purchasing any game with SecuRom on it or if I do, I will be torrenting a copy as well and installing that one. If someone wants those games in the wholly legal way then they will just have to deal and that is that. The rest of us have other methods.
note: AmberDiceless posted it while I was writing and said it much better then I ever could manage.
Deviancy:
To be fair, securom 7 isn't brand new and the issue with burners only seems to be affecting a small percentage of people. So it really shouldn't even be mentioned because all it will do is make the paranoid more paranoid. The known issues are that it does cause virtual drives to have an issue at times and it is known to have a memory leak. Those are two big enough issues to where personally I think people should just boycott the publishers, but they won't. Tomb Raider Anniversay shipped with securom 7 I believe, I'd have to re-check, but their bbs isn't filled with people claiming their burners don't work anymore. So sometimes the issues are somewhat pebkac related.
It is an invasion of privacy..
But the point you two keep missing is that trends are changing and I see the torrent sites putting up more and more image based torrents rather than actual cracked torrents. I also see far less updates being done on games in regards to new nocd cracks after a patch. Sure, with the Sims it doesnt matter, they usually break more with a patch then fix anything. But what I continue to say is that it is bad advice to those who want to play a lot of the newer games coming out and who want to patch them if patches are needed. It is NOT bad advice to those like you who are happy playing with a non patched version of the game and who believe that every new game will be updated with a new nocd crack everytime the game is patched.
As for BV, I'm going to go the nocd route again eventually but only because their patches tend to screw up more than they fix. But that's rare.. usually patches actually do fix the games that have issues.
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