How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
lordrichter:
Quote from: Celesta on 2007 October 15, 15:52:26
The main reason I say SecuROM is malicious is the fact that it shuts off firewalls without our knowledge. This leaves machines vulnerable to malware.
In my experience, this is not fact, at least with respect to the way that Sims 2 is using SecuROM.
I have directly investigated this claim with no success in verifying it. Although, I am an IT professional, so I might be part of the compiracy.
jmtmom:
Tell that to my Norton Anti-Virus caught in a continual uninstall/reinstall loop. ::) If I was more awesome, I'd already have the Securom off my computer. When I do, if I have the same problem, I'll stop blaming SecuRom. Yes, I have contacted Norton and tried all their fixes. At first they were helpful, but now they've taken to repeating the same instructions over and over. I guess they're taking a page from EA's customer support manual.
Zazazu:
Quote from: lordrichter on 2007 October 16, 11:35:57
Quote from: Celesta on 2007 October 15, 15:52:26
The main reason I say SecuROM is malicious is the fact that it shuts off firewalls without our knowledge. This leaves machines vulnerable to malware.
In my experience, this is not fact, at least with respect to the way that Sims 2 is using SecuROM.
I have directly investigated this claim with no success in verifying it. Although, I am an IT professional, so I might be part of the compiracy.
Conspiracy!!!!!
Considering that I personally had issues with McAfee saying my sub was up, and others have had issues with Norton Antivirus doing the same or stalling/erroring during scans, it's not a huge leap that some firewalls might be seen as The Evil by SecuROM. The thing displays no logic whatsoever. I've seen several people here and on the BBS post that their firewall was turned off or had increased events. Too many to be coincidence.
I also had an obscene amount of blocked events (I'm at tight security level), but more suspect a coincidence in my case. I don't see how the two could be linked. And yes, since SecuROM was removed I've had no--count 'em--no events, but I also banned a whole bunch of EPs at the same time. Can't be sure.
angelyne:
Yes Ritcher I agree. The list of the evils of SecuRom is getting a little too long to be believable. I would imagine that maybe just maybe, some antivirus wouldn't deal with the software well when it attempts to scan some protected data. It's like running two Antivirus programs on the same machine. It's usually a bad idea, because they conflict with each other.
Turning off firewalls? I seriously doubt it. I just think that because SecuRom is so very close to being malware, that it's considered to be one and the same and gets blamed for typical malware activities, like turning off your antivirus and firewall and establishing multiple connections to unknown ip addresses. It is malware, but the difference between Securom and the stuff in the wild is that it's malware used by legitimate companies. So they have to show some restraint, unless they want to be the target of multiple lawsuits.
I think we are just seeing a reaction where people are blaming everything weird that happens on their computer to Securom. There is a logic to what this program does. It's main objective is to prevent the running of illegal copies. So it messes with DVD drivers. It attempts to detect the running of software that circumvents copy protection. It does a bad job and produces false positives. It attempts to hide itself and so triggers programs that are designed to detect behavior like that (Antivirus). It's annoying and undesirable but it makes sense. within the scope of what it is trying to do.
I had a user the other day call me because she thought she had a virus on her computer because she opened a JPG and mysteriously her background was changed. It was a perfectly innocent little JPG attached to a perfectly innocent little email. I can always tell a viruse email just by looking, but I scanned it to be sure). When she opened the JPG she must have clicked on the option to make it a desktop background. But since viruses are mysterious evil programs that do mysterious things, and something mysterious occured, ergo, it must be a virus. (To be fair, I know that some malware do change backgrounds, however, not usually to a bunch of pumpkins).
So I think this is the phenomenon that is at work here.
jsalemi:
Quote from: angelyne on 2007 October 16, 17:06:49
Turning off firewalls? I seriously doubt it. I just think that because SecuRom is so very close to being malware, that it's considered to be one and the same and gets blamed for typical malware activities, like turning off your antivirus and firewall and establishing multiple connections to unknown ip addresses. It is malware, but the difference between Securom and the stuff in the wild is that it's malware used by legitimate companies. So they have to show some restraint, unless they want to be the target of multiple lawsuits.
And you say this in spite of what experienced computer users, many of them professionals in the field, have said here and elsewhere about SecuROM preventing their McAfee and Norton internet suites (which include firewalls) from working? And also seeing multiple attempts to 'call home' while the game is running, and ONLY while the game is running? On what basis do you make your claims that people are just getting hysterical and blowing this out of proportion? Do you, perhaps, work for EAxis, or Sony?
(And that's not even considering the installation of a service that bypasses the user's security on the system and installs itself with administrator rights if you install the game under a user account that doesn't have admin rights. That's one of the definitions of malware.)
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