How to get rid of SecuRom, NOW
jsalemi:
Check the 'BV with no CD' thread -- I believe there's more discussions about why SecuROM is bad there.
JCSpencer:
For some reason that thread didn't get returned by the Search feature, and I probably would've overlooked the title because I don't have Bon Voyage, and thus don't care about playing it without the CD. LOL. I never would've though it could include something pertinent to my questions. I'll check it out now.
Thanks, Joe!
Oh, and I finally managed to (successfully) respond to your post in the Wants & Fears Sanity thread. LOL. Be forewarned: I talk a lot.
sluggo:
Quote from: JCSpencer on 2007 October 13, 13:37:49
Had you actually read through, you'd have seen it's not mentioned "a few hundred times," smartass
Hmmm.. Not even going to bother pointing to them, cause anyone can simply read the first freaking page which clearly shows how to remove said maulware and also points to a few spots suggesting what said program can do to your system what other people have experienced. Of course, you want to be spoon-fed and to top it off praddle on in your follow-up post when someone calls you on your non-clear-ity of your first post.
<edit>: Goggle is your friend, too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM
Result 1 of about 735,000 for securom.
JCSpencer:
Oh for God's sake. You obviously didn't even bother to READ my post, let alone anything else. I never, EVER asked "how to remove said maulware." I also still do not see a link to any location of *what* SecuROM can do to your system, but there are plenty of links to how to get rid of it, as well as to sites for things like Daemon Tools, NOCD cracks, YASU, and whatnot. As for your last sentence - I'm not even going to bother. You'll just respond with more witty remarks for lack of anything better to do (such as, say, oh I don't know... helping someone by giving them information instead of infantile insults?). If you wanted to clarify yourself, why wouldn't you "bother pointing to them"? Or is it simply because you can't be bothered to actually read through everything? And as far as research goes (which you are so fond of telling me I should do), it wasn't even my first post, which you can find out easily from this site's very own tools.
And now to someone who actually IS interested in being helpful, thanks again, Joe. There was definitely some interesting information in that thread, but nobody can really seem to agree on any one method of removing SecuROM, other than it involving a crack. Of course, I still didn't see very much about *why* SecuROM is so bad. Venusy did makes some interesting points, but most of them were identical to what I've already seen on other sites while doing my research (self-spoon-fed, I guess). It can cause problems with certain burners and certain virus protection programs. That leads me to believe that not everybody really needs to remove SecuROM.
That said, Venusy did mention one other thing that did stand out - that it was a potential security threat. However, I am wary of that statement. Let me clarify that I am not claiming Venusy's statement is incorrect; I am by no means an expert (but I'm also by no means an ignoramus, as some here would like to think). The problem is that I can find almost nothing to substantiate it. What proof has anyone discovered of this? Have there been any examples of security breaches known to be related to SecuROM?
I guess what I'm saying is that experience has shown that panic ensues anytime something happens to a person's computer - often a very personal and important thing in our lives - that they didn't authorize or were unaware of (yeah, I know, I ended my sentence with a preposition - unless you count the part in parentheses :)). These days it's not surprising that some people would jump to the conclusion that such an underhanded method of installation must surely insinuate a shady purpose. One such purpose being? Oh, spyware. I did see mention of spyware in one of B's posts, but it pertained only to the new Maxis launcher (which troubles me, but isn't a worry for me as I don't have that EP, yet).
Obviously, the inexperienced user could read that thread and see all of these different methods and bits of information (security risk, registry files, spyware, etc.) and think, "Oh my God, SecuROM is from the devil [MicroSoft] and my computer's going to explode in 5 seconds!" Fortunately, I know a bit more about computers, so I'm not panicking. Instead, I am trying to learn more about the "devil." So I guess the reason I was asking about SecuROM is because I'm wondering if I'm missing something obvious, because right now I just don't understand why SecuROM is so bad. In the other thread, one of the members actually *likes* SecuROM (at least for the purpose of making backup copies). I don't have a burner/VP problem, so that's out. I can't find any information that actually states what security threat it could pose, if any, so I feel safe there (not to mention there are plenty of other safeguards you can enable to minimize that risk either way). And my game seems to run fine (or the only problems I encounter can be linked to bad mods or known Maxis bugs).
That's all I really wanted to know. As it stands, I could care less about SecuROM (but I'm still pissed at EA). Unless of course somebody edumacates me otherwise. Sans insults.
EDIT:
Quote from: sluggo on 2007 October 13, 15:49:26
<edit>: Goggle is your friend, too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM
Result 1 of about 735,000 for securom.
You know, I love a good back-and-forth. Debate is a great way to test your knowledge against others, as well as to learn other viewpoints. But it's really no fun at all when all the other person can do is come up with immature one-liners like, "Google is your friend." You keep accusing me of not reading, then instead of actually reading my replies to find out that's not true, you accuse me of "praddling." That's called hypocrisy (aka: double standards). So the question is: Are we going to keep going with this childish Inquisition, or can we simply agree that neither one of has all the answers, no matter how much research we may or may not do, that insulting each other about it accomplishes nil, and that if we let people that do need help ask their questions and those with the answers provide the answers, we can all be happy?
tabbs:
I would like to see someone reply to JCspencer as well, I don't know that much about SecuROM (and I read quite a bit as well.)
I just assumed I wanted it off of there because I just got a new PC and didn't want anything to get messed up, I work hard to keep things off my system that I don't want on there or didn't put on there.
So on a 50/50 chance that it might mess up my burner, or disable some of my programs... Lets say it gets back on there, what could I do to limit it, so it doesn't have full rein over my PC?
Also I realized that if I buy other PC games it's most likely going to have some sort of protection on it and even possibly SecuROM, which will be on my pc anyways (unless I play with cracks, which I might do.)
(I already uninstalled SecuROM from my machine but since I patched my game I'm seriously thinking about just uninstalling BV, and reinstalling it the way that was suggested in the first post.)
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