Bon Voyage dissatisfaction
Ellatrue:
I'd rather people just be themselves, and either they'll do well here, or they won't. If they are retards, they'll get a beating for it.
The house example is a terrible one. A house is a private space, and you need an invitation to be there, so entering a house without being invited is incredibly rude in the first place. A website is a public space, like a park. Is it appropriate to set restrictions on who can use a public park, aside from expecting general politeness and minimum standards of behavior? Expecting people to lurk before posting and brush up on MATY jokes, acronyms, and the general forum culture to the extent you are talking about is like trying to limit access in a public park to your own, private, exclusive party. And personally, I am irritated at how we've gone from poking at actual trolls and actual morons who wouldn't bother with a search, for example, to poking at noobs in general for any excuse at all. It's unreasonable to expect someone to know if a similar joke was posted over 2 years ago in retardoland (the forum warrior thread). You can't expect everyone on the site to have an equal knowledge of the game. If someone JUST BOUGHT TS2, has never been to the BBS, and asks about Bella or other premade characters, is it fair to give them hell for it? No. A reasonable response would be to gently point out that such topics are not much liked here, FYI, instead of just ripping them to shreds. Someone would have had to lurk for over 2 years to know something like the Bella thing, since it's been so long since anyone posted a Bella thread.
Lurking is not necessary for politeness. Being polite is not hard. Lurking is necessary if you want to follow the crowd. "Fitting in" is not necessary to get along, unless the people you are trying to fit in with are being a bunch of close-minded fucktards. And if we want the FAQ to be taken seriously, we have to change it so it isn't a joke. You can't have it both ways. People will pick up the culture over time, if they like the site enough to stick around. In my opinion it's rude to require a certain level of conformity to participate in a public forum that is still fundamentally about the actual game itself, and not about our little forum culture.
karmalkiss:
Quote from: Ellatrue on 2008 March 31, 00:01:07
You can't expect everyone on the site to have an equal knowledge of the game. If someone JUST BOUGHT TS2, has never been to the BBS, and asks about Bella or other premade characters, is it fair to give them hell for it? No. A reasonable response would be to gently point out that such topics are not much liked here, FYI, instead of just ripping them to shreds. Someone would have had to lurk for over 2 years to know something like the Bella thing, since it's been so long since anyone posted a Bella thread.
Well, if someone just bought TS2, then they're just starting to play the game. By playing the game, you're naturally gonna find out about the Bella thing or the Nervous Subject thing. I mean, it takes a month or two of playing before you realize that there are some things about the game that really suck or absolutely annoy the hell out of you. Most folks don't start immediately downloading hacks the day after purchasing the base game. There is a natural evolution of steps one takes of trying to make the game better. Ususally, the first step is getting on that sorry-ass EA site and doing posts/searches on the BBS. Then you find out about MTS2 and lurk around there for a bit. MTS2 is probably the best jumping off point for some of the more fancier stuff like inSIM and inTEEN. So I guess my point is that yes, folks should know all about the premade characters. They should play and explore their game before going on a "more advanced" site and asking dumbass questions that everyone knew the answer to 4 years ago.
Jack Rudd:
Quote from: karmalkiss on 2008 March 31, 02:51:43
Quote from: Ellatrue on 2008 March 31, 00:01:07
You can't expect everyone on the site to have an equal knowledge of the game. If someone JUST BOUGHT TS2, has never been to the BBS, and asks about Bella or other premade characters, is it fair to give them hell for it? No. A reasonable response would be to gently point out that such topics are not much liked here, FYI, instead of just ripping them to shreds. Someone would have had to lurk for over 2 years to know something like the Bella thing, since it's been so long since anyone posted a Bella thread.
Well, if someone just bought TS2, then they're just starting to play the game. By playing the game, you're naturally gonna find out about the Bella thing or the Nervous Subject thing. I mean, it takes a month or two of playing before you realize that there are some things about the game that really suck or absolutely annoy the hell out of you. Most folks don't start immediately downloading hacks the day after purchasing the base game. There is a natural evolution of steps one takes of trying to make the game better. Ususally, the first step is getting on that sorry-ass EA site and doing posts/searches on the BBS. Then you find out about MTS2 and lurk around there for a bit. MTS2 is probably the best jumping off point for some of the more fancier stuff like inSIM and inTEEN. So I guess my point is that yes, folks should know all about the premade characters. They should play and explore their game before going on a "more advanced" site and asking dumbass questions that everyone knew the answer to 4 years ago.
And if they don't, they should be prepared for this sort of response.
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: Tsenatserix on 2008 March 27, 21:03:33
Yeah, I know made-up animals can't be accessed while unregistered (I was confused, once, when Firefox failed to automagically log me in as usual.)
If you're not a MATY member at all, why would you want a made-up animal? Made-Up Animals are thus available only to members, and since there's no reason you would want a made-up animal otherwise, the section is not advertised to nonmembers. Everything of USE is available to everyone.
Quote from: Ellatrue on 2008 March 31, 00:01:07
If someone JUST BOUGHT TS2, has never been to the BBS, and asks about Bella or other premade characters, is it fair to give them hell for it? No. A reasonable response would be to gently point out that such topics are not much liked here, FYI, instead of just ripping them to shreds. Someone would have had to lurk for over 2 years to know something like the Bella thing, since it's been so long since anyone posted a Bella thread.
How does someone like that even *GET* here? And MATY isn't like a public park. It's more like a biker bar. Technically, it's a public venue, but it's not exactly advertised and there are clearly regulars with expected norms of behavior. If you show up as a stranger at a biker bar, then proceed to annoy the regulars, you're asking for a beating.
Ellatrue:
Google. And I think a lot of people these days go to forums and start downloading stuff for the game pretty quick.
A person playing the game would probably know who the premade characters ARE, for example. That doesn't mean they understand how the game was developed. They might want to "re-unite" the Goths, but have no fucking clue how much that pisses people off at MATY. So they ask what a normal person would consider a reasonable question, and get eaten for breakfast. This is only an example.
I don't think lurking in a situation like that would actually help. People here just need to get their heads out of their asses. If nothing else, at least be honest: the problem often isn't lack of lurking or whatever. It's just that something they posted pissed you off, for whatever reason, and it's stupid to try and justify it as something else entirely.
Does the post pass a "reasonable person" test? Is the post polite? Is the question something a reasonable person, new to the site, might ask? Did they search first? Otherwise, get over yourself. Basic etiquette is one thing. Having an in-depth understanding of this forum's "special culture" is ridiculous to expect of people.
Lurking is pointless, n00b! Just do a search before asking a question, and be polite. No one can reasonably expect anything else, and this place would be boring as hell if everyone went out of their way to "fit in."
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