Third Seasons Patch is out....
Sagana:
Do you know if Guild2/the EP has any endgame? Guild didn't seem to have any - you'd go on and on and on, until eventually the game would crash :)
Emma:
Didn't they fix the 'Pet gets §0' from a winning chance card in a previous patch? If so, they broke it again.
dizzy:
The main problem I have with accepting Sam's word for anything is the fact that there is no transparency in anything he explains. His whole apology is a brief and unsatisfactory piece of specious reasoning that only bothers to cover a small portion of the issues. He talks in very general terms about the process but never describes exactly how it works or why they do things the way they do.
And he has the gall to compare EA's QA with a modders? Modders, as I'm sure he well knows, are limited to scripting environments that will work on any platform (given that the game engine has been sufficiently debugged). When we release code in the form of mods, it gets a lot MORE testing in the form of volunteers here who gladly look for bugs. If modders don't debug and revise their code, they quickly become known as lamers. The whole process here is an open one where anyone can take the code they are presented with and modify it further to see whether it holds to various testing conditions. In spite of not being paid for it we have thousands of available testers available on a few fan sites, and what does EA have? Who knows?
If EA coders were unpaid fans like ourselves, I'd be okay with how they operate and this kind of vague hand waving from Sam would acceptable. The problem is that EA coders are well rewarded for their efforts, so it is very reasonable for us to demand more transparency. We've earned that right.
Magicmoon:
OT RANT
Quote from: katenigma on 2007 June 21, 11:04:55
There were similar install problems with Civ4 and ATI, but not only did they have a work-around up the day after release, but the patch to fix it within a week.
Every time I see someone say how Civ4 was fixed in the patch, I cringe. I've been a die-hard Civ player from the day Civ 1 was released. I've played every engine change since. Civ 3 never was balanced correctly to play a decent game so I rejoiced when Civ 4 was released. Much better, but several bugs that would crash you to the desktop. Patch applied. Better, but not fixed. Warlord expansion applied. Fixed a lot of stuff the patch never touched. Only a few bugs left. Patch applied. Doggone if they didn't fix a critical crashing bug, so I have to keep the patch, but they broke several things they fixed when I installed Warlords. Grrr....
Now back to our regularly scheduled program.
Ambular:
Quote from: dizzy on 2007 June 21, 19:57:46
The main problem I have with accepting Sam's word for anything is the fact that there is no transparency in anything he explains. His whole apology is a brief and unsatisfactory piece of specious reasoning that only bothers to cover a small portion of the issues. He talks in very general terms about the process but never describes exactly how it works or why they do things the way they do.
And he has the gall to compare EA's QA with a modders? Modders, as I'm sure he well knows, are limited to scripting environments that will work on any platform (given that the game engine has been sufficiently debugged). When we release code in the form of mods, it gets a lot MORE testing in the form of volunteers here who gladly look for bugs. If modders don't debug and revise their code, they quickly become known as lamers. The whole process here is an open one where anyone can take the code they are presented with and modify it further to see whether it holds to various testing conditions. In spite of not being paid for it we have thousands of available testers available on a few fan sites, and what does EA have? Who knows?
If EA coders were unpaid fans like ourselves, I'd be okay with how they operate and this kind of vague hand waving from Sam would acceptable. The problem is that EA coders are well rewarded for their efforts, so it is very reasonable for us to demand more transparency. We've earned that right.
This is starting to remind me eerily of the ongoing IE vs. Firefox war...
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