It burns!
Oddysey:
Quote
Quote = Gus Smedstad & syberspunk
"I'm waiting for this forum to start deteriorating. You can't fight entropy, after all."
"Have you read some of the threads lately... in my not so humble opinion, it's already started... *shrugs*"
Curious, the number of visitors has actually rocketed over the last month. At least 25% more pageviews and the files download server is maxed out far more than it ever was. I wouldn't call that deteriation. You may also want to check out the MTS2 Alexa ranking, and compare it to months past.
Strickly speaking, entropy (using website terminology, but the general principle applies to everything) is not a measure of popularity, although it may be affected by it. It is definitely not inversely proportional (proportionate?) to the size and popularity of a website. If anything, entropy increases when a website gets more hits. Entropy is a measure of the "messiness" of a system, or in this case, the disorganization of a website. When people on this site speak of a forum deteriorating, they are referring to an increase in the average stupidity of posts and of an increase in the stupid posts to non-stupid posts ratio, and thus how much dross must be waded through to get to interesting stuff. By this measure, the entropy of MTS2 is definitely increasing, because even leaving aside the layout (which I personally dislike since I dislike excessive subcategorization, primarily because a system of categorization and subcategorization that makes perfect sense to one person's way of thinking may be obtuse and inane to another persons way of thinking, and this increases dramatically with the amount of subcategorization) there are more and more non-useful non-interesting posts for every useful and interesting post. Most requests fall under the "non-useful, non-interesting" category, since the people doing the requesting often ask for things that are technically nonfeasible or don't provide enough details to actually implement their ideas. Also, a person looking for hacks does not want to have to look through requests; that's something that for the most part only modders with some time on their hands are going to be looking through.
Generally speaking, the more users you have in a forum, the more entropy you have in that forum. The larger your system, the harder it is to organize said system.
bairy:
ahhh I am corrected on that. I knew I should have looked up the definition but it was 2am.
It is true that there arae quite a few useless posts. We do encourage search as much as we can but you know some people. The fact the new core pages have the search in the top left is hopeful that people will start searching, plus the search page itself is planned to be made a lot more useful (as in select the actual areas you want (downloads, hacks, help etc) rather than reading through each forum in the list, selecting which you want, and then by the time you've done that forgetting why you're there)
We do enforce the rules as much as we can, bumps are removed, excess smiley usage is removed, stickies are put up asking demanding that people do their own work before bugging us. And then actual threads are moderated (at least in help, I can't speak for anywhere else) so that stuff that's answerable with a search is closed.
It is however, as you said: More users = more size, more size = harder to organise. But we are working hard on it.
Oddysey:
Hey, it's pretty impressive that MTS2 is still functioning at all, considering the probably traffic load.
Niomi:
I do miss MTS2 the way it was a year ago, there hasn't been a place quite like it before or since. I don't have any criticisms for Delphy and if it were me I'd have given someone else the reins long ago. It's still sad that the place turned out the way it is, but I know everyone there has done the best they could and it's ultimately a positive contribution to my game.
I still visit MTS2 on IRC and say hi every now and then.. I made some friends there.
Shivani:
Quote from: bairy on 2005 October 10, 01:47:04
This was actually fixed two or three weeks ago. Basically it was a difference in the Gecko vs IE rendering engines, and a CSS attribute occasionally threw Firefox into a tizzy. However once the problem was tracked down, which was difficult because the bug was sometimes hard to recreate, it was fixed promptly.
Additionally, you didn't need to f5, you just needed to reflow the page by clicking back/forward. Or temporarily use IE for MTS2, no risk of spyware or other junk from there.
Well, I'm sorry, but it's not fixed. For reference, I browse with Mozilla 1.7.11 (Gecko/20050728). In a short test I just conducted, the first several pages loaded fine, but the next loaded with incorrect column widths again. I doubt it makes a difference, but I was in global hacks/testing at the time. Something is still being overlooked.
As for using IE, I'll be damned before I use that piece of trash unless I absolutely have to (SimCribbling, anyone?). It has nothing to do with spyware, et. al., because I have other programs to handle those intrusions.
Additionally, I do not see the point in having to click back, then forward, when I can hit F5 and have it done in a single action (if I'm lucky, because not even that works every time). Maybe I wouldn't care if I happened to be on my desktop and could use the mouse buttons to programmed to handle those actions, but I'm not. Heck, I'd probably just hit F5 anyway out of habit.
Mind you, I'm not angry with the response, but I am annoyed with the some of the advice given. I'll also continue to wander through MTS2. After all, I've had years of practice with dealing with annoyances from Win98 in the past.
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