HUZZAH! Banned from Rentech.com!
veilchen:
Quote from: Inge on 2005 July 21, 20:25:16
I am sure Jeff, like most responsible Sims modders, will continue to try wherever possible to make his hacks fit in with whatever else there is out there in the community, regardless of what site they are hosted on. However, it's not always practical to make a mod that is compatible, and I would rather the incompatible mods were occasionally made in order to allow players a choice rather than that there should be some sort of syndicate to suppress those which might clash - or only make those which will not. Again, responsible modders will always be happy to advise on compatibility and help players sort out conflicts.
If it's the same question or problem that needs fixing and you have several fixes to choose from, then non-compatibility is not an issue. Nor is it an issue when you want to install items that ease gameplay or enhance it. But if you have two problems and two fixes that clash, you are forced to choose which problem you want to remain and which one you want to fix.
The reason I only have four modders that I trust, is that they usually work together, or help the users along if issues arise (and one of them happens to be you, Inge). As a person who is completely dependent on others when it comes to game fixes, I certainly hope that the communication stays intact.
G.
Hook:
Anyone who is unwise enough to make a mod that conflicts with one of Pescado's isn't wise enough to make a mod I'll allow on my computer. And as far as "syndicates" go, the various Standards Agencies exist for a damned good reason.
Considering Pescaso is the most prolific writer of useful mods, if I had to get rid of his mods or someone else's, guess which ones would go to the bit bucket? Hint: it wouldn't be Pescado's mods.
Anyone out there is free to write anything they choose. Just as I'm free to ignore their stuff. If I were to suddenly start writing mods, I'd make damned sure they were compatible with the premier mod writer's stuff. And if he produced a mod that wan't compatible with one of mine, I'd change mine. Right now, and for the forseeable future, that premier mod writer is Pescado. Other modders may do as they wish.
Hook
veilchen:
Quote from: Hook on 2005 July 21, 21:15:38
Anyone who is unwise enough to make a mod that conflicts with one of Pescado's isn't wise enough to make a mod I'll allow on my computer. And as far as "syndicates" go, the various Standards Agencies exist for a damned good reason.
Considering Pescaso is the most prolific writer of useful mods, if I had to get rid of his mods or someone else's, guess which ones would go to the bit bucket? Hint: it wouldn't be Pescado's mods.
Anyone out there is free to write anything they choose. Just as I'm free to ignore their stuff. If I were to suddenly start writing mods, I'd make damned sure they were compatible with the premier mod writer's stuff. And if he produced a mod that wan't compatible with one of mine, I'd change mine. Right now, and for the forseeable future, that premier mod writer is Pescado. Other modders may do as they wish.
Hook
That says it much more concisely than my post. If it is a question of choice, anyone who values their game will prefer the outstanding over the merely great. Why else would I be following JM around since the early days of MTS2? If everybody else disappeared tomorrow and only JM remained, I would not panic, and the majority of sim-players who use fixes feel the same. That is appearantly the premier (or is it prime?) reason for the conflicts that seem to arise everywhere JM goes.
I didn't see it coming on MTS2, but I saw it coming on VS. Let me put it into another view: I am great at my job, but my mentor is outstanding. I neither begrudge her this position, nor do I envy her. I hope I can emulate her to a comparable point, but I know who is the student and who is the master(I know master is a male designation, but mistress doesn't sound right). That is the way it should be in all areas, including software and software enhancement.
However, as I said before, if I have two problems and one fix each for each problem, and the fixes clash, I would be in the unenvyable position to choose which problem would be the least one, and which one to fix. That was a general reply to a general statement. If JM's was one of the two fixes, it wouldn't be a question of choice, and that is a specific relpy to a specific statement.
Aside from all that, I would really like to see a conjoined 'director's cut' from JM and TJ. It's bound to be a gem, I like TJ, and I like many of his mods.
G.
twojeffs:
Quote from: veilchen on 2005 July 21, 19:33:27
I don't want to give any silly advice, but TJ is on the member list here; I hope that will not get him into trouble (I know there is quite likely more than one Jeff, I'm using the singular out of habit).
G.
Yep, I'm a member here and plan to continue to be. There's no reason that I shouldn't be able to go/post/chat where ever I feel like. I do plan to keep my work posted at VS for now, but I hope that JM & I can continue to work together. I've always tried to keep my mods compatible with everyone else's work whenever I can. My feeling (and my hope) is that this will all blow over eventually instead of blowing up worse than it is, but that's up to the people involved, not me.
I have to agree with Inge, it was probably not a good idea for Rentech and Pescado to co-admin a site. They have completely different styles of admin and are both bull-headed and don't give up on their position easily (if ever). This is not a bad thing, I can be pretty stubborn myself, but it was bound to eventually cause a split. I personally have never had a problem with either one of them so I'm not taking sides on this at all. I really don't have all the facts and don't know everything that's been said and done to do so.
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: twojeffs on 2005 July 22, 04:39:41
My feeling (and my hope) is that this will all blow over eventually instead of blowing up worse than it is, but that's up to the people involved, not me.
Well, I'm willing to talk anytime Rentech is, but according to Delphy, Rentech tends to hold irrational grudges forever and ever. Now, I was perfectly willing to continue participating there, just as I've continued to maintain a presence on MTS2, but Rentech, obviously, considers this unacceptable, a level of extremism even MTS2 never went to.
Quote from: twojeffs on 2005 July 22, 04:39:41
I have to agree with Inge, it was probably not a good idea for Rentech and Pescado to co-admin a site. They have completely different styles of admin and are both bull-headed and don't give up on their position easily (if ever). This is not a bad thing, I can be pretty stubborn myself, but it was bound to eventually cause a split.
Well, I was willing to part company peacefully once this became inevitable, but Rentech is hellbent on being the martyr. You'll note the apparent rise in "hacker attacks" ever since I left. Most of these, like "Tearing A Page", apparently were entirely made up by Rentech.
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