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Inge:
Well I think the "mental issues" associated with teens getting pregnant are *caused* by society's attitude towards it. Now I am NOT condoning paedophilia, sex with girls or boys who are not physically mature is not healthy or natural.
Let's make it clear I am talking about fully developed young ladies who are old enough to know they want sex and like the idea of a baby. And this puts them from about 15/16 upwards. 16 is the legal age of consent in this country, and if any girl of that age feels she is ready to begin having children, then society should get behind her and enable her to do so in comfort and happiness.
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: Inge on 2005 August 24, 18:38:44
Let's make it clear I am talking about fully developed young ladies who are old enough to know they want sex and like the idea of a baby. And this puts them from about 15/16 upwards. 16 is the legal age of consent in this country, and if any girl of that age feels she is ready to begin having children, then society should get behind her and enable her to do so in comfort and happiness.
I disagree. Society is not responsible for making somebody comfortable in spite of their poorly thought out decisions. It is highly unlikely that somebody of that age is financially stable and can afford such a thing, and it is not society's responsibility to provide for such foolishness. They rightly DESERVE to be ostracized and left to die on the streets, an exercise in Darwinism at work.
Renatus:
*g* JM the misanthrope to the rescue once again.
15/16 is not a fully developed young lady. It is a young lady who is still growing and whose hormones are still stabilising. I can't imagine myself or any of the girls I knew at that age having a child; I still had another growth spurt to go through, and a lot of my friends had menstruation issues that could have just been their bodies sorting things out... or could have been signs that their reproductive organs were NOT suited for bearing children without seriously harming or killing them and the fetus. It's difficult to tell, in many cases, until a female reaches her mid-twenties.
And yeah, society's attitude towards things doesn't help matters, but I don't see it changing any time soon, especially with childhood seemingly being prolonged the longer life expectancy is. Again, myself and most of the girls I knew were still playing with dolls at 15 years old. Society's beliefs changing would also have to go against some extremely deep-seated prejudices and lack of infrastructure. In the US, any 15/16 year old girl thinking that it is a good idea to have a baby right then is setting herself up for a hell of a lot of trouble unless she is independantly wealthy or her parents will cheerfully fund everything and provide childcare whenever needed.
With the world being as complex as it is and difficult to figure out, how is it really smarter for someone young enough that they are very unlikely to have figured out what they want and how to get it to make the decision to bring yet another life into existance? It's a nice dream to think that girls should be able to have and realistically (knowing every single damned thing involved in the process of having and raising a child) making the decision to have a child, but the way things stand it would do far more harm than good. I'd much rather teen girls now be encouraged from not having babies until they know they can support them, even if this leads to some cases of less-than-perfect DNA. It's not going to bring the human race crashing down, not with nearly 7 billion of us in the gene pool.
No, it'll take a giant meteor and the ensuing ice age to do that.
ZephyrZodiac:
I totally agree with what you are saying, Renatus! And as I said before, a child needs two parents - not grandparents, aexcet in unts and uncles as substitutes, but the actual biological father! You only have to know the agonies that some adopted children go through because, although they can often track down their mother, their father is often impossible to find, and if found, will have nothing to do with them! That just goes to show that the father had no right to bring a child into the world in the first place, and maybe with better sex and moral education while a teenager, he would not have done it! As I said, it takes two to make a baby, and it should take the same two people to raise it! The child is their responsibility, not the grandparents' and not society's, except in those cases where things have obviously gone wrong, and then it should be for the sake of the blameless child, not the irresponsible parents!
KellyQ:
Quote from: Inge on 2005 August 24, 18:38:44
Let's make it clear I am talking about fully developed young ladies who are old enough to know they want sex and like the idea of a baby. And this puts them from about 15/16 upwards. 16 is the legal age of consent in this country, and if any girl of that age feels she is ready to begin having children, then society should get behind her and enable her to do so in comfort and happiness.
Well I really don't give two hoots in hell what society thinks about it but I'll tell you that if my 15/16 yr old daughter or son came home and announced she/he is "fully developed", "wants to have sex"and "likes" the idea of having children, the last thing I would do is make sure she or he could do so "in comfort and happiness". The idea that since I'm in my 30s I should be ready to *grandparent* and help with a teenager "child-rearing" her children, is more then laughable! I work for a living, like most people in their 30s do. As does my mother, who is in her early 60s and certainly didn't and still doesn't, have time to help with "child-rearing"; she already raised her children! Does she love and see her grandchildren? Of course she does! Do I expect that because I made a decision to have children she should have a hand in raising them or financially taking care of them? Of course I don't! A teenager might "like" the idea of a baby but I don't get a puppy everytime my daughter "likes" the idea of one of those either.
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