HUZZAH! Banned from Rentech.com!
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: Inge on 2005 July 21, 10:33:15
However, I didn't say *no one* should be co-admins; I said *you two* should never have been co-admins. There's more than a subtle difference between those two statements.
Well, that is sort of the conclusion I came to. Rentech wasn't exactly pleased about this decision, for no particularly sane reason, and has now taken to blaming me for every real or imagined thing that is wrong with her site.
veilchen:
Although I am glad that you finally have your own site, it's sad that you and Rentech's relationship has deteriorated like this. I did see it coming though, quite a while before it happened and downloaded the director's cut, just in case it would take you longer to set up shop elsewhere than it actually did. I am hoping that you and TJ can get together and align you mods, so to speak. I like you both and I would hate to see that your mods suddenly became incompatible.
Both, you and Rentech, had a widely different opinion on how a site should be run, that was a dead give-away.
As I pointed out, I have an intense dislike of censorship, but I do like civilized discussion about issues at hand. Being told to take it or leave it will usually result in my "leaving it".
I dislike moderators who think they are the extended arm of whatever God they believe in, and treat people as if they are "dreck" (that's the german word for dirt, I wouldn't want to be chastised for using a foreign word, heaven forbid, I just like the german word better it has more force :)) That is one of the major reasons I have never posted in MTS2's "social" forums, and I most likely never will. The moderators whose opinion I respect at this site are no more than a handful, the others seem to have delusions of grandeur.
The fact that someone gets so stuck on their own opinion and decision without even considering any alternative is sad. Digging in one's heels and not listening to reason is not a good thing, and letting oneself be influenced by a few to the detriment of the many is something that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Although I don't pay attention to post-counts and such, I do read everything, and the much lower count I have on VS now certainly caught my eye. It seems that all the posts I did in JM's forum got subtracted, and that was a sign of worse things to come to pass. You know the ancient egyptian custom of wiping out all memory of a person by wiping out all things that this person ever did, along with their name. A harsh punishment in those days, since it barred the way to heaven forever.
I have to agree with garyalex, although a battle of wits is fun, but it is not fun to battle with an unarmed person.
G.
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: veilchen on 2005 July 21, 12:12:53
Although I am glad that you finally have your own site, it's sad that you and Rentech's relationship has deteriorated like this. I did see it coming though, quite a while before it happened and downloaded the director's cut, just in case it would take you longer to set up shop elsewhere than it actually did. I am hoping that you and TJ can get together and align you mods, so to speak. I like you both and I would hate to see that your mods suddenly became incompatible.
I suspect that this is the reason why Rentech has now banned me from the site: To prevent my consulting with him and participating in his forums. Since that would just mean the site becomes the "Twojeffs Forums", instead of the "Pecado Forums" (sic). Unfortunately, as a result, our original plans to compile a single definitive "Critical Fix Patch" are currently on hold until the fallout settles. Since I have it on good authority that Rentech holds even completely pointless and irrational grudges forever, that would mean that Jeffy would probably have to defect to someplace not run by Rentech.
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I dislike moderators who think they are the extended arm of whatever God they believe in, and treat people as if they are "dreck" (that's the german word for dirt, I wouldn't want to be chastised for using a foreign word, heaven forbid, I just like the german word better it has more force :)) That is one of the major reasons I have never posted in MTS2's "social" forums, and I most likely never will. The moderators whose opinion I respect at this site are no more than a handful, the others seem to have delusions of grandeur.
By "this site", you mean MTS2, or here? Because if you're talking about here, so far, I'm the only moderator, not that I ever really do any moderation, it's really more like filing, and I don't have DELUSIONS of grandeur, I really *AM* that awesome! Everyone who isn't Rentech knows THAT. Right? :)
Quote from: veilchen on 2005 July 21, 12:12:53
The fact that someone gets so stuck on their own opinion and decision without even considering any alternative is sad. Digging in one's heels and not listening to reason is not a good thing, and letting oneself be influenced by a few to the detriment of the many is something that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Well, I'm pretty fond of my own decisions and opinions also. I also happen to be fond of arguments. If you can convince me you have a better solution, well, then, why, that's an excellent idea! I'm glad I thought of it!
Quote from: veilchen on 2005 July 21, 12:12:53
Although I don't pay attention to post-counts and such, I do read everything, and the much lower count I have on VS now certainly caught my eye. It seems that all the posts I did in JM's forum got subtracted, and that was a sign of worse things to come to pass. You know the ancient egyptian custom of wiping out all memory of a person by wiping out all things that this person ever did, along with their name. A harsh punishment in those days, since it barred the way to heaven forever.
As much as I'd like to approve of some anti-Rentech sentiment, I must clarify that Rentech is not responsible for the total annihilation of the Pescado forums. That was my doing. They had to be deleted somehow, after all, and I certainly wasn't going to leave an important task like that to Rentech.
Rentech, of course, has gone a step further, by banning me the forum entirely, apparently under the guise of "unsuccessful hacking attempts". Frankly, I'm insulted. UNSUCCESSFUL? I assure you if I had MADE a hacking attempt, Rentech's site would be a pile of smoking rubble.
veilchen:
Of course I meant MTS2. I am fully aware of your awesomeness, and I completely agree on the last point. My respect in your abilities is such that the word "attempt" does not even get associated with your name, at least not in my mind :)
However, when the thing with Sophie's avatar started and then kept on deteriorating, including the sudden eruption of jealousy, I knew we would soon see JM with his own site.
G.
reggikko:
Quote from: veilchen on 2005 July 21, 12:12:53
Both, you and Rentech, had a widely different opinion on how a site should be run, that was a dead give-away.
As I pointed out, I have an intense dislike of censorship, but I do like civilized discussion about issues at hand. Being told to take it or leave it will usually result in my "leaving it".
Exactly my feeling. The modders are great. Being able to download things is fantastic. BUT, it's the community that makes or breaks a site. If people bring up a valid concern, and do it in a mature and civilized manner, it's not good business sense to tell your customers they can like it or not, that you don't care either way. That comment *really* rubbed me the wrong way. In my real life I often talk like a sailor when in close company, but I am mature enough to understand the concept of decorum. And if the avatar truly had been "adult content", I would have said, fair enough. But the fact that it wasn't and then rentech wouldn't even give a reasonable explanation as to why she removed it, well, I just can't stomach that sort of heavy handedness or that attitude.
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