Maybe Bella isn't as dead as some of us would like to think.
Ancient Sim:
I've just restarted Pleasantview. I don't know what Bella's file was like before, but now she has an "I am Dead" token, but the "is Ghost" box isn't ticked. Also, she had no relationship with Mortimer whatsoever and neither he, Cassandra or Alexander had the "Known Sim" box ticked. If it's ticked, Bella immediately appears on their friends list. If she's teleported into the Goth lot, she immediately walks into the house and behaves like any other guest. The "I am Dead" token appears to do nothing on its own - I forgot to tick the "I am Dead" box for Mary-Sue when I added a death token (don't want that horrendous woman in my game again) and she was still alive when I went into the Pleasant house.
Bella certainly had no memories in my game either now or before, I had to add them all when I brought her back the first time. She has no personality either. And I swear the first time there were two Bella files but this time there's only one.
STOP PRESS: OK, I made a Sim in CAS with the exact profile of Bella, including adding the right turn-ons (this is in my brand-new Pleasantview). He paid full price for a date and guess who he got? His walk-by earlier on had been Mortimer, but they showed no signs of recognition, although Mortimer was rather preoccupied fighting with Komei Tellerman, who he'd made enemies with the night before. Not sure it was a coincidence that Komei was the only member of the welcome wagon and his only enemy just happened to be on the same lot, but that's another story.
Anyway, when I made Mortimer selectable and got him to sit beside Bella on the settee to watch TV, she immediately got up and went to hold hands with my Sim. She had no one in her relationship panel and her only memories were of Cassandra & Alexander getting A's (Cassandra is a teen now in my new Pleasantview). They were in her family tree, but Mortimer wasn't.
So, it's not BBS bullshit, it really is happening (presumably those who don't believe BBS posters will believe me!). Bella's file has definitely changed. Although I can accept that they may have forgotten to tick the "Is Ghost" box on a character, the fact that it's Bella is way too suspicious. Not only that, the fact that the "Known Sim" boxes are unticked for the live people and ticked for the dead ones is even more suspicious. I think this is deliberate, purely so Bella will plop from the sky like this and make everyone go "Ooh!" and "Wow!" and "OMG". They may even have chosen to have dates 'fall from the sky' purely for this reason, seeing as how that's the most likely way Bella would come back. And the more I think about it, the more sure I am that Bella had two files in the original game, one greyed-out and one not. As I've said before, it's time Maxis came clean about Bella. Enquiring minds are fed-up to the back teeth of the whole thing and INSIST ON KNOWING.
Bangelnuts:
Quote from: Ancient Sim on 2005 October 22, 07:13:38
I've just restarted Pleasantview. I don't know what Bella's file was like before, but now she has an "I am Dead" token, but the "is Ghost" box isn't ticked. Also, she had no relationship with Mortimer whatsoever and neither he, Cassandra or Alexander had the "Known Sim" box ticked. If it's ticked, Bella immediately appears on their friends list. If she's teleported into the Goth lot, she immediately walks into the house and behaves like any other guest. The "I am Dead" token appears to do nothing on its own - I forgot to tick the "I am Dead" box for Mary-Sue when I added a death token (don't want that horrendous woman in my game again) and she was still alive when I went into the Pleasant house.
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I just took a peek at Bella in Sim PE my game has her unlinked and shows her only relations as being Cassie,Alexander and her parents and a sibling. old Mortimer does not even show up as a relative or even as Known by Bella. and the Ghost etc boxes were not ticked at all. I looked at Darleen Dreamer and it is ticked that she is a ghost. I never play pleasant view. I was just curious what Sim Pe had her listed as
Ancient Sim:
Quote from: Bangelnuts on 2005 October 24, 01:44:59
I just took a peek at Bella in Sim PE my game has her unlinked and shows her only relations as being Cassie,Alexander and her parents and a sibling. old Mortimer does not even show up as a relative or even as Known by Bella. [/quote]
Ah, but he DOES! They've done something to the files since Nightlife. If you have the new SimPE, you'll see that all Sims known to the selected Sim are at the top, then all Sims unknown are below in the "Sim Pool". Check out Bella & Mortimer's Sim Pools and you will see that each appears in the other - not greyed out and unalterable as all the others are, but totally editable. They have 85/95 relationship towards each other and are ticked as "Family" and "Known". No other boxes are ticked and they are not marked as "Spouses" or "Married". This is the only time I have encountered a situation like this.
Something else peculiar, too. As soon as my new guy greeted the Matchmaker and before he asked her for a blind date, I saved the game. Everything that happened after that (including asking for the date before actually getting Bella) was not saved. I then exited the game completely and went into SimPE to alter his turn-ons so he didn't get Bella again, then went back in and this time he got a downtownie. I saved and exited again. When I next checked Bella's file in SimPE, my new Sim was in her "Known Sims" panel with a 0/0 relationship. Now, how is that possible when my Sim hadn't even asked for a date, let alone got Bella? He certainly never met her any other way, unless she was on the downtown lot he took his second date to, because they can get 0/0 for people that way sometimes. Or is the game saving stuff even if we don't?
I also noticed that Don Lothario suddenly appeared on her "Known Sims" panel with a 0/0 relationship too, and he certainly hadn't met her, nor does he have any memories of meeting her previously because I removed them (well, I think there was only the one, about being rejected for make-out, no memory of actually meeting her). Bella didn't appear on Don's Known Sims panel though, neither did she appear on my specially-created male Sim's. I am beginning to think Bella was on a downtown lot and I didn't notice her - apparently others have seen her on them (in Pleasantview, not Strangetown) because there's no other explanation for them appearing in her "Known Sims" (perhaps I will add them back, maybe she'll call ...). Maxis really are milking this.
Bangelnuts:
Quote from: Ancient Sim on 2005 October 24, 22:53:30
Quote from: Bangelnuts on 2005 October 24, 01:44:59
I just took a peek at Bella in Sim PE my game has her unlinked and shows her only relations as being Cassie,Alexander and her parents and a sibling. old Mortimer does not even show up as a relative or even as Known by Bella.
Ah, but he DOES! They've done something to the files since Nightlife. If you have the new SimPE, you'll see that all Sims known to the selected Sim are at the top, then all Sims unknown are below in the "Sim Pool". Check out Bella & Mortimer's Sim Pools and you will see that each appears in the other - not greyed out and unalterable as all the others are, but totally editable. They have 85/95 relationship towards each other and are ticked as "Family" and "Known". No other boxes are ticked and they are not marked as "Spouses" or "Married". This is the only time I have encountered a situation like this.
Something else peculiar, too. As soon as my new guy greeted the Matchmaker and before he asked her for a blind date, I saved the game. Everything that happened after that (including asking for the date before actually getting Bella) was not saved. I then exited the game completely and went into SimPE to alter his turn-ons so he didn't get Bella again, then went back in and this time he got a downtownie. I saved and exited again. When I next checked Bella's file in SimPE, my new Sim was in her "Known Sims" panel with a 0/0 relationship. Now, how is that possible when my Sim hadn't even asked for a date, let alone got Bella? He certainly never met her any other way, unless she was on the downtown lot he took his second date to, because they can get 0/0 for people that way sometimes. Or is the game saving stuff even if we don't?
I also noticed that Don Lothario suddenly appeared on her "Known Sims" panel with a 0/0 relationship too, and he certainly hadn't met her, nor does he have any memories of meeting her previously because I removed them (well, I think there was only the one, about being rejected for make-out, no memory of actually meeting her). Bella didn't appear on Don's Known Sims panel though, neither did she appear on my specially-created male Sim's. I am beginning to think Bella was on a downtown lot and I didn't notice her - apparently others have seen her on them (in Pleasantview, not Strangetown) because there's no other explanation for them appearing in her "Known Sims" (perhaps I will add them back, maybe she'll call ...). Maxis really are milking this.
[/quote] I checked and instead of her being in the Known Sim Pool she was in the regular sim pool so I moved her to known sims for Mortimer that corrected that any way. also check out Darleen Dreamer: Darrens Deceased wife I found two Darleen Dreamer's in My sim Browser 1 has the correct relations as in Dirk being her son and her knowing Darren. the other has no family and Knows absolutely no one that I could determine and according to Sim Pe has 38 days left as an Adult before transitioning to elder . watch for Darleen Dreamer to be the next character they exploit at Maxis however the secon Darleen looks nothing like Dirks Mother
Ancient Sim:
There have always been two Darleens, also two Michaels and two Skips. The others are used for the photos from what I can gather. I've brought Skip back in my game and used the file with character data, but I've left the other alone, still with its "I am Dead" token intact. The thing is, I am certain Bella also had two files at the start, one showing her still alive and the other showing her dead (with no character data). The most relevant thing in all this though is Bella's file, which is way bigger than anyone else's. It also seems to have got bigger since Nightlife.
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