So what's been fixed in NL
MissDoh:
Quote from: VECKI on 2005 September 14, 03:56:21
On individual wants, I've sometimes noticed that 'nested' wants for lack of a better term don't always pick up.
For example, a particularly loving couple of mine will both have the want to 'kiss' and 'make out' with eachother. I tell them to make out, and only the 'kiss' want is met. Telling them to again make out sometimes meets the want, and sometimes doesn't.
Oddness.
If you lock the "make out" want before you make them kiss, both will be fulfilled, it always worked for me. Of course if you have another very important want locked it will not help.
vecki:
Quote from: Missdoh on 2005 September 14, 04:45:36
Quote from: VECKI on 2005 September 14, 03:56:21
On individual wants, I've sometimes noticed that 'nested' wants for lack of a better term don't always pick up.
For example, a particularly loving couple of mine will both have the want to 'kiss' and 'make out' with eachother. I tell them to make out, and only the 'kiss' want is met. Telling them to again make out sometimes meets the want, and sometimes doesn't.
Oddness.
If you lock the "make out" want before you make them kiss, both will be fulfilled, it always worked for me. Of course if you have another very important want locked it will not help.
Nope. I've done that before. The 'make out' stays put, and the 'kiss' gets fulfilled. A few times I've locked the make out want, and had them kiss romantically or whatever, the kiss has been met, so I send them to the next step of making out, and it's sometimes filled, sometimes not.
MissDoh:
Quote from: VECKI on 2005 September 14, 04:47:52
Quote from: Missdoh on 2005 September 14, 04:45:36
Quote from: VECKI on 2005 September 14, 03:56:21
On individual wants, I've sometimes noticed that 'nested' wants for lack of a better term don't always pick up.
For example, a particularly loving couple of mine will both have the want to 'kiss' and 'make out' with eachother. I tell them to make out, and only the 'kiss' want is met. Telling them to again make out sometimes meets the want, and sometimes doesn't.
Oddness.
If you lock the "make out" want before you make them kiss, both will be fulfilled, it always worked for me. Of course if you have another very important want locked it will not help.
Nope. I've done that before. The 'make out' stays put, and the 'kiss' gets fulfilled. A few times I've locked the make out want, and had them kiss romantically or whatever, the kiss has been met, so I send them to the next step of making out, and it's sometimes filled, sometimes not.
What I mean is that you lock the "make out" want and right away choose in the kiss option "make-out" so both will be fulfill one after the other.
MissDoh:
Quote from: HatedMaxoid on 2005 September 14, 03:32:22
Quote from: Ancient Sim on 2005 September 14, 03:27:34
Quote from: HatedMaxoid on 2005 September 14, 03:18:14
I had someone try to reproduce the "Graduate 3 Children" bug, but they were able to do so. Is it consistently reproduceable? Are there any hacks that interfere with want check trees or otherwise in the related global trees? I don't want to blame it on hacks, but we've been unable to reproduce this--perhaps we could get better repro steps? I can have someone look into the 20 best friends thing, but no guarantees...
I don't know if any hacks interfere with it, can't really think of any I have that would. I know it happened to Cassandra Goth in my game so I don't leave it in anymore, I change it to something else. I had to sort Cassandra out in SimPE so she could die with a platinum gravestone. After I'd gone to the trouble of adopting a child so she could achieve the LTW (her eldest two were grown-up before Uni came out), I wasn't going to have her lose it ... even more so as I'd had to keep the silly woman going with elixir for ages.
Quote from: HatedMaxoid on 2005 September 14, 03:18:14
As for the Uni Career LTW, it was a painful decision to remove these. The reason for doing so was because LTWs are determined when a sim becomes a teen. If the teen decides to skip college, then they are essentially stuck with a LTW that is not fulfillable. Since the user cannot change a LTW, this was deemed unacceptable. Sorry.
I appreciate this, although of course regular visitors to this forum change LTW's as often as they change their socks ... but ... what I am asking is, can't the game somehow detect that Uni isn't installed and therefore not spring-up those wants? In any case, wasn't the LTW thing introduced with Uni and not the base game? I may be wrong about this (probably my age ... MIDDLE-AGE, you know ...), but even if it was the base game, I would still have thought the workings could somehow reject the new career LTW's for those without Uni. Sounds like very basic programming to me (but what do I know, being in the MIDDLE-AGE lifespan ...).
(Am I getting any better at this hinting thing? Anyone???).
It's not a question of whether Uni is installed or not, the issue is that teens could get a LTW that they cannot fulfill if they decide to skip college. I realize people are modding and such, but we have to make the game for people who do not use such tools and would be essentially stuck--that, it was decided, was the greater of the two evils.
As for the middle-age age-group, I would suggest continuing your crusade with Maxis/EA. I can suggest it, but that doesn't mean it will happen.
What if it will motivate us to send a teen to college and will give us another reason to make it go through all that part of the game? It would defenitely help me making that decision if I would see such a want! Already Elders have impossible LTW to fulfill (when we create them in CAS or if we install University after they were elders) like becoming a "chief of staff" when they are not in that career track and by changing carreer track it won't help them anyway so what difference does it make if teen would have LTW that cannot be fullfill. Can the player decide by themself if they wish to fulfill it or not, LTW are random and personally I always save before my Teen age so if I don't like what I see I reload the lot and go to the birthday process again so the LTW will be different. And now in Nightlife we have a new aspiration reward which permit us to change our Sim aspiration so I guess the LTW will change too, so why not include them now.
MaxoidTom:
Quote from: VECKI on 2005 September 14, 03:48:40
What if... the LTW didn't actually kick in until the sim was a YA or Adult? Sure, pick your aspiration at teendom, then when you either go to uni or transition into adult, a LTW is generated, ignoring Uni based careers for sims that skip college (I don't have any who do, though, they all tend to have a massive fear of being uneducated, regardless what their aspiration is), and incorporating them if they do go to uni (the vast majority). Seems to make a bit more sense, I mean, what teenager really knows what they want to do in life? :)
I just suggested something similar, where a teen would age transition to an adult, and if they had a Uni career LTW, it would re-roll. I'll see if we can put it in, but I'm not sure how likely it will be. I think the priority is fixing problems that are preventing existing gameplay, though I agree it would be nice to have this.
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