So what's been fixed in NL
MaxoidTom:
Quote from: Hook on 2005 September 23, 18:02:27
I'm not sure what might be blocking your stairs after 24 hours. It sound suspiciously like the "piano isn't fun after 24 hours" bug where some data gets corrupted after that time. "Working as designed"... but Maxis changed their minds after being shown exactly why it's a bug, not a feature. Maybe MaxoidTom understands our frustration now. And with NO feedback loop on the feedback form, there will be no way to tell Maxis why it's a bug, not a feature, using the official form. Not that the modders, who are the best ones to tell Maxis why it's a bug, will be using the form; they'll be too busy fixing the bugs. *sighs*
Hook
It is not a matter of "changing our minds." I was told the wrong information about the piano being "as designed" and have since corrected myself.
As for the web form, we can only reliably fix things with good information--if those knowledgeable about such things fail to give us the information, it will make it very difficult to fix things we cannot reproduce. I'm sorry you feel frustrated--I am as well. A feedback loop would be nice in theory, but I can only imagine how it would turn into a forum for arguments and ranting.
U_Dog_U:
Quote from: rainbow on 2005 September 23, 16:09:13
Quote from: Kitiara on 2005 September 23, 15:35:27
I have tried all of the different staircases; all break in the exact same way. I will try modular stairs next but have tried to avoid this as it will necessitate some structural renovations. Anyone know anything about this problem?
I think I will try the modular stairs since this is very irritating. If that doesn't work I don't know what I'll do next.
I just placed the Holy Smoke stairs indoors next to a wall. Before, I had to remove the wall, place the stairs, then replace the wall. They still need four free tiles above them though.
Hook:
Quote from: MaxoidTom on 2005 September 23, 20:03:30
Quote from: Hook on 2005 September 23, 18:02:27
"Working as designed"... but Maxis changed their minds after being shown exactly why it's a bug, not a feature.
It is not a matter of "changing our minds." I was told the wrong information about the piano being "as designed" and have since corrected myself.
Tom, don't get me wrong. I love the game, I love the work y'all are doing, and I have the highest respect for you and for your continued presence here. I frequently get accused of being a fanboy, with several games. In any given argument, I will almost always take the game company's side.
But I also have 30 years programming experience, retired as a professional programmer about 5 years ago. My last job was with a game company. So I understand the problems, and how they occur.
When someone at Maxis reads a bug report that says, "The piano stops being fun after 24 hours", and immediately decides "working as designed", the bug report goes to the bit bucket. It takes someone like the modders to figure out exactly WHY it's not "working as designed" and point it out. When I wrote "Maxis changed their minds" above, I wasn't referring to you at all, but to the QA management people who originally declared "working as designed" when it wasn't. *Someone* in charge at Maxis originally decided "working as designed" and it wasn't you. And further information caused them to change their mind.
I also understand your frustration. My last major project (after I retired) was a scenario creator for a Napoleonic wargame, as the one built into the game was crud. I had a much smaller audience than you do, but at one point I declared that if I got ONE MORE DEMAND for changes and new features I was going to delete the source code. I think this put things in perspective with the user community. Unfortunately, Maxis doesn't have that option. :)
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but you are doing a great job. And this comes from someone who is not only a gamer, but has been in your shoes before. Thanks from the bottom of my heart.
Hook
witch:
Quote from: MaxoidTom on 2005 September 23, 16:10:20
Quote from: miclsimmer on 2005 September 23, 16:08:13
MaxoidTom replication of Terrain Paint problem is quite simple....make some or download any lot with them and use them on a lot. Delete them or one of them and see what happens to all lots that have them. Also try apppling just one without all being attached to lot or try to package a lot without them.
Can you be sure to post more information on the official web form?
Yes, I'll do that tonight. However the bug explanation has been simply and clearly defined here.
MaxoidTom:
Quote from: Hook on 2005 September 23, 20:33:34
Tom, don't get me wrong. I love the game, I love the work y'all are doing, and I have the highest respect for you and for your continued presence here. I frequently get accused of being a fanboy, with several games. In any given argument, I will almost always take the game company's side.
But I also have 30 years programming experience, retired as a professional programmer about 5 years ago. My last job was with a game company. So I understand the problems, and how they occur.
When someone at Maxis reads a bug report that says, "The piano stops being fun after 24 hours", and immediately decides "working as designed", the bug report goes to the bit bucket. It takes someone like the modders to figure out exactly WHY it's not "working as designed" and point it out. When I wrote "Maxis changed their minds" above, I wasn't referring to you at all, but to the QA management people who originally declared "working as designed" when it wasn't. *Someone* in charge at Maxis originally decided "working as designed" and it wasn't you. And further information caused them to change their mind.
I also understand your frustration. My last major project (after I retired) was a scenario creator for a Napoleonic wargame, as the one built into the game was crud. I had a much smaller audience than you do, but at one point I declared that if I got ONE MORE DEMAND for changes and new features I was going to delete the source code. I think this put things in perspective with the user community. Unfortunately, Maxis doesn't have that option. :)
I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but you are doing a great job. And this comes from someone who is not only a gamer, but has been in your shoes before. Thanks from the bottom of my heart.
Hook
Thank you for your post. If it weren't for community members speaking up, then we wouldn't have known about several issues that have been raised here and on other websites. We test the heck out of the game, but even if we had a QA team numbering in the hundreds, it doesn't even compare to the hundreds of thousands of people playing the game when it gets released. But hopefully all this discussion will mean that the game becomes better and more stable.
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