Does this only happens to me? Clean-up dishes problem.
syberspunk:
Thanks akatonbo. My googling skills are pretty deficient. :P
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Fixing it:
I have figured out how to fix it. With MoveObjects on, picking up the affected Sim and deleting them, then saving the lot and reloading (Sim reappears as if they just moved in.) makes the problem go away. I should note, I had a meal I prepared BEFORE I did this, which I could not clean up, which the same Sim after being deleted and reloaded, could clean up that same meal they could not before.
It looks like something screwy must be happening with the sim itself... perhaps something gets messed up with the sim's data? Certain interactions check the sim's state, and prevent them from doing something if it is set in a particular way. For example, a lot of code checks if a sim is swimming and if so, disables several interactions, since obviously they aren't supposed to be able to do certain things while they are swimming. Others might check if a sim is sitting down, lying in a bed, or currently occupied doing some other interaction. Maybe... the state of your sims that are on the comm lots gets saved in a certain state that prevents them from interacting with the plates properly.
Try the method above, deleting the affected sim, and see if this restores their ability once they are reloaded. If so... then it seems to be a similar problem as above. I'm not sure how one could permanently fix it. Have you done anything in particular to your sims? For example, did you do a delete all characters and what not? Sometimes certain files aren't completely cleaned up. I think there's another current thread about this which affected Pegasys' sims LTWs.
Ste
PS. I also agree with akatonbo. Even if you don't want to use macrotastics, you can temporarily install it, turn on debug mode, and see if you get any errors while trying to use the clean function. IIRC, just click on the selected sim, and there should be a Macro... option. Under that, if there is anything to clean, it should have a 'Clean' option. If the clean doesn't show up, even though there are dirty dishes, And you don't get an error... then I'm not sure what else to try. :-\
MissDoh:
Akatonbo, the way I read what Pescado wrote was more like this: "you don't have macro clean than sorry I cannot help you" type of answer to me.
Maybe this is not what he meant but it is the way I read it...
Syber what I do instead is since I have the "testing cheats" on while I play is I force an error an reset the sim. It works too.
But this should not happen in the 1st place. I don't mind keeping doing this but I find it annoying and I love sending my Sims downtown on every type of lots. I will probably restrain them from visiting restaurants until a real fix for this problem is made. I think it is the best solution for me right now.
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: MissDoh on 2006 May 12, 06:14:03
Akatonbo, the way I read what Pescado wrote was more like this: "you don't have macro clean than sorry I cannot help you" type of answer to me.
I'm trying to see which part of the clean process is short-circuiting. If Macro-Clean can't see the plates either, that would mean it's not just a pinheaded MissDoh clicky problem.
MissDoh:
Quote from: J. M. Pescado on 2006 May 12, 06:15:11
Quote from: MissDoh on 2006 May 12, 06:14:03
Akatonbo, the way I read what Pescado wrote was more like this: "you don't have macro clean than sorry I cannot help you" type of answer to me.
I'm trying to see which part of the clean process is short-circuiting. If Macro-Clean can't see the plates either, that would mean it's not just a pinheaded MissDoh clicky problem.
Lol Pescado... You should know by now that I am not pinheaded, my only problem according to some is that I speak French hum hum (and this is not directed to anybody who tried to help me in this post, I felt I needed to specify it). I did remove all my hacks/mods which was awful because without them the game act so silly.
Sorry for the bad comments but this is just showing how unaware I am of what macrostatics can do (I hope my lips does not get more rip off then they already are), I am grateful you are taking my problem seriously and that you are looking into it :)
EDIT: If you do find a problem and you need assistance for testing I will gladly test anything to solve this. (except for Macro (unless it would be the only solution) but I am sure you figure it out already that I prefer not to use macro lol) :)
syberspunk:
Hrm. I wonder if you understand what macrotastics does...
I get the impression that you think it will automatically force your sims to act as automatons. It doesn't do that at all. It simply adds more options to the pie menu, which you as the user are still in control of. Your sims will not automatically behave any differently unless you the user tell them to. I think the 'Power Idle' option makes them act as 'automatons' in the sense that they will stick to a 'programmed' routine of only dealing with their needs when necessary and what not. To be honest, I actually don't know much about 'Power Idle' because I don't use it myself, and you don't have to.
As far as I can tell, macrotastics will not change how your sims act, with possibly the exception of including other modules, most significantly bathroomusesyou, which 'processes' your sims as they enter the bathroom, 'using' them appropriately to relieve bladder and improve hygiene as needed. However... I think that feature of bathroomusesyou works regardless of whether you have macrotastics installed or not. I think you can even turn off the search feature completely. I don't know if this effectively renders it 'off' in the sense that it won't process your sims as usual, since I always have it on. :P
Anyways, I hope my explanation makes sense. Macrotastics will add new options which basically cuts down on the manual clicking. It definitely is a time saver, but it won't forcibly change your sims into robotic automatons. You don't even have to use it at all. I play with Free Will on all the time, and I only use Macrotastics on certain sims when I play in a large household, and want to assign 'smart tasks' for some of them to do while I focus on other sims that I want to micro mange, because I am an obsessive freak that tends to oversee every detail sometimes. I really think that you should try installing macrotastics, even just temporarily, as a way to help debug or investigate your plate-cleaning problem. You can easily remove macrotastics afterwards once you figure out whether or not you are able to generate an error log. Macrotastics will not permanently alter your game. At best, it might permanently alter your gameplaying style if you try it out and like it. :P
Believe me, I was pretty stubborn in the beginning as well. I felt that it was kind of cheaty to rely on something to do everything for you... but I definitely saw the error of my ways. ;D It just makes sense. It saves time and makes the game a lot more enjoyable. Instead of having to worry about other sims doing idiotic, stupid things like burning the house down, wasting food, or pissing off other sims and ruining relationships by telling bad jokes or having bad conversations, I can occupy my sims with 'smarter' and much more useful tasks, such as skilling, cleaning, repairing, gardening, and what not, while I focus my attention on other specific sims. When you plug in all the other modules, such as bathroomusesyou, the sleepclock, etc. it helps you out a lot, so you don't have to worry so much about passing out or bladder failure with sims you weren't paying attention to.
Ste
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