Maxis agrees with Laurenke
Oddysey:
That's because you're a guy, Pescado.
And ZZ: That's another thing. The classical definition of beauty, with the emphasis on proportions and mathematical perfection, really has very little basis in reality. The main reason that the golden ration shows up so much in the human face is because there are so many ratios in the human face to begin with. Although there is an instinctual definition of beauty, (day old infants watch pictures of "attractive" faces longer than they do pictures of "unnattractive" faces) it's not nearly so hardcoded and definite as was once believed.
ZephyrZodiac:
I'd certainly agree that physical perfection and Sex Appeal have very little in common! While on person may be born lucky and have both, there are endless examples of people who have one and not the other. Very few male rock stars, for example, are what would fall into classical definitions of male beauty, but thousands of women would give their eye teeth to get them into their knickers!
J. M. Pescado:
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That's because you're a guy, Pescado.
That is totally not an adequate explanation, especially since most of the other "guys" think that because I can look upon a picture of some female they deem to be "hot" and be utterly unmoved and unimpressed, I must be gay.
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And ZZ: That's another thing. The classical definition of beauty, with the emphasis on proportions and mathematical perfection, really has very little basis in reality.
I'm not entirely sure that's true. I think that proportions and mathematical perfection are important factors, but that they're using the wrong numbers, and assuming that numbers which are actually individually specific variables are constants.
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The main reason that the golden ration shows up so much in the human face is because there are so many ratios in the human face to begin with.
I think the "golden ratio" is just some arbitrary thing people made up, anyway. It has very little to do with faces. Clearly, an attractive face is one that displays a prominent cranium, and an alert, focussed expression indicative of intelligence and awareness. Preferrably an ANGRY expression, as anyone who appears to be happy is obviously severely deluding themselves about something, and while delusional perceptions of reality are amusing in friends, they are unsuitable in a mate.
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Although there is an instinctual definition of beauty, (day old infants watch pictures of "attractive" faces longer than they do pictures of "unnattractive" faces) it's not nearly so hardcoded and definite as was once believed.
I'm wondering if this is due to the "Exotic" factor. After all, "exotic" is "beautiful", and when an infant sees something strange and foreign to it, it may simply fixate on the strangeness. I mean, day old infants will also watch fires longer than they watch ANY face. Is this because fire is pretty and an infant which does this is destinated to be a pyromaniac like me, or is it because fires are new and different?
reggikko:
Quote from: J. M. Pescado on 2005 August 08, 20:59:32
I'm wondering if this is due to the "Exotic" factor. After all, "exotic" is "beautiful", and when an infant sees something strange and foreign to it, it may simply fixate on the strangeness. I mean, day old infants will also watch fires longer than they watch ANY face. Is this because fire is pretty and an infant which does this is destinated to be a pyromaniac like me, or is it because fires are new and different?
Infants and children are also apparently drawn to symmetrical faces. I think you see more symmetry in "exotic" faces than you do in the Ango-Saxon variety. I had never thought too much about my innate ability to attract infants and toddlers. They always stare at me for a bit and then innevitably they smile or otherwise try their baby 'flirting'. A fussy baby almost always settles down when I talk to it. I always thought I was just some natural-born baby whisperer. My son the artist mentioned in passing the other day that I have a very symmetrical face. That would be one explanation for my baby magic, I suppose.
Sandilou:
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As for the preferences shift, I theorize that it's actually a built-in thing for the "exotic". Whatever is "exotic" is in. This may partly be a defensive mechanism to prevent inbreeding.
I had this explained to me as an example of 'survival of the fittest' Theoretically, the wider the gene pool, the stronger the species.
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Although there is an instinctual definition of beauty, (day old infants watch pictures of "attractive" faces longer than they do pictures of "unnattractive" faces) it's not nearly so hardcoded and definite as was once believed.
I learn so much from Sky News...there was a feature on babies being instinctively drawn to symmetrical faces. The question raised was 'Is it a true definition of beauty?' Turned on its head, it means asymetrical faces (twisted, warped and crooked) are ugly. I wonder how much they were paid to come up with those findings. :D
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Clearly, an attractive face is one that displays a prominent cranium, and an alert, focussed expression indicative of intelligence and awareness.
That's what all the less than beautiful people would have us believe.
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I can look upon a picture of some female they deem to be "hot" and be utterly unmoved and unimpressed, I must be gay.
You mucho too macho to be gay.
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Infants and children are also apparently drawn to symmetrical faces. I think you see more symmetry in "exotic" faces than you do in the Ango-Saxon variety. I had never thought too much about my innate ability to attract infants and toddlers.
I have the same impact on babies, toddlers, children and animals. Even the wildest animals seem to calm down in my presence. On my recent visit to Wales the sheep came over to talk to me - and I wasn't over at the BBS, the horses and cows sought eye contact too!
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