Eco friendly family house
soozelwoozel:
Quote from: Anach on 2011 July 08, 11:28:09
Quote from: soozelwoozel on 2011 July 08, 10:40:23
Quote from: Anach on 2011 July 08, 10:18:30
Quote from: soozelwoozel on 2011 July 08, 10:09:07
Quote from: Anach on 2011 July 08, 09:29:20
Nice house, but wood fire polluting the atmosphere and wasting water on a water slide doesn't seem very eco-friendly to me :P
Nice smart-arse reply, but wood burning stoves are generally considered a much more eco-friendly way of heating your house than using radiators etc.
Pretty sure this depends on where you live. Population, topography, climate and equipment can play a large part in pollution from smoke and particulates, which in-turn can lead to health issues. As for being considered better than radiators. I think that depends on what form of electricity generation used.
Ok if we're really going to be this pedantic, that stove could be for clean-burning fuel. However, going on the basis that sims don't have council restrictions on fuel-burning, and because if you're going for that level of pretend-legislation in the game you're clearly a bit of a nutjob, I would propose a sim-wood burning stove is fine. Yes, of course if you're getting all your electricity from renewable energy, then the stove can be considered wasteful. However, if we're being this pernickity, even with the solar panels shown in the pictures, it's unlikely such a house could go completely off-grid.
Wood burning stoves are cheap and sustainable, far more so than oil or gas heating. Wood burning stoves are considered to be eco-friendly and are increasingly marketed as such. You may disagree with this, which is fine, but I think you were just trying to be a smart-alec in your original post. It's a sims game, not an architectural blue print.
Definitely true that one of us is being pedantic, and if you're going to start bringing the real world into it, why not do it right in the first place. Put up some numbers, post some evidence. I for one, find it difficult to believe that having billions of houses full of wood-fired stoves and heaters is going to be Environmentally-friendly based on some "marketing", no matter where you live.
As for your inclination to read too much into my comment, I tend to think this simply means you failed to understand the tongue-in-cheek smiley face.
Ok fine, here's a partial list for WHY wood burning stoves are considered a good choice for the environmentally friendly consumer.
1) Wood burning stoves are carbon neutral, in that burning wood only releases the same amount of carbon dioxide as the tree takes in over its lifetime. So as long as you plant trees to offset the ones you're using for firewood, you're fine on that front.
2) Wood is renewable and can be locally produced, lowering transportation costs to the environment.
3) Chopping up firewood requires very little processing.
4) You can now buy "clean-burning" wood stoves which are certified for use in smokeless zones.
I have to work so I can't fish around for actual statistics right now, but I can do so later if you really want me to.
We're not talking "billions of homes", we're talking one eco-home. Did I say stoves were a perfect solution? No. I pointed out that they are considered eco friendly and are therefore hardly incongruous on an eco-friendly lot. Also, it wasn't me who brought real world specifics into it, you brought up climate, population, topography and equipment.
Oh, and for the record I got the tongue in cheek smiley, but you can be both tongue in cheek and WRONG at the same time
Of course, you could have just replied "but that's a fireplace, not a stove" and saved us all this. :P
Anach:
Uh oh. We know we're in trouble when we have numbered points. I almost said TL;DR, however, 1, 2, 3, 4 are all good points, but that's a shit-load of assumptions about a Sim household. Now I guess I should take into account the construction of a Sim's chimney, materials burnt, how they chop wood and what type of electricity generation they use, but oh-boy, those are all starting to sound a little borderline "nut-job". How about instead we assume that electric heat comes from those solar panels on the roof (there are no power plants in the Sims), so we are comparing burning wood to the power of the Sun. Also I don't see a water tank on the lot, so I'll assume those Sims living within are just being terribly wasteful and running their water 24/7.
Next time I'll ask more questions before making an insignificant comment. Are the window's double-glazed, is the ceiling and floor insulated, what materials have been used in contruction? I noticed the lack of curtains in some of the windows. Are there separate recycle bins on the lot? Did you know that this bed is a lot more energy efficient than that bed, etcetera.
soozelwoozel:
Quote from: Anach on 2011 July 08, 12:26:29
Uh oh. We know we're in trouble when we have numbered points. I almost said TL;DR, however, 1, 2, 3, 4 are all good points, but that's a shit-load of assumptions about a Sim household. Now I guess I should take into account the construction of a Sim's chimney, materials burnt, how they chop wood and what type of electricity generation they use, but oh-boy, those are all starting to sound a little borderline "nut-job". How about instead we assume that electric heat comes from those solar panels on the roof (there are no power plants in the Sims), so we are comparing burning wood to the power of the Sun. Also I don't see a water tank on the lot, so I'll assume those Sims living within are just being terribly wasteful and running their water 24/7.
Next time I'll ask more questions before making an insignificant comment. Are the window's double-glazed, is the ceiling and floor insulated, what materials have been used in contruction? I noticed the lack of curtains in some of the windows. Are there separate recycle bins on the lot? Did you know that this bed is a lot more energy efficient than that bed, etcetera.
You're really not getting it. I only gave you a list because you asked for real world details! Actually, you asked for empirical evidence, but like I said, I haven't the time right now. My original point, before you started on about topography and climate - neither of which are factors in the Sims - was that your "wood fire polluting the atmosphere [...] doesn't seem very eco-friendly to me" tease is WRONG. Why not just admit this and then I will happily drop it. Perhaps bringing you up on this was nit-picky, but MATY is nothing if not a picker of nits.
Seqkat:
Quote from: Anach on 2011 July 08, 12:26:29
Are the window's double-glazed
No.
Anach:
Quote from: soozelwoozel on 2011 July 08, 12:37:54
Quote from: Anach on 2011 July 08, 12:26:29
Uh oh. We know we're in trouble when we have numbered points. I almost said TL;DR, however, 1, 2, 3, 4 are all good points, but that's a shit-load of assumptions about a Sim household. Now I guess I should take into account the construction of a Sim's chimney, materials burnt, how they chop wood and what type of electricity generation they use, but oh-boy, those are all starting to sound a little borderline "nut-job". How about instead we assume that electric heat comes from those solar panels on the roof (there are no power plants in the Sims), so we are comparing burning wood to the power of the Sun. Also I don't see a water tank on the lot, so I'll assume those Sims living within are just being terribly wasteful and running their water 24/7.
Next time I'll ask more questions before making an insignificant comment. Are the window's double-glazed, is the ceiling and floor insulated, what materials have been used in contruction? I noticed the lack of curtains in some of the windows. Are there separate recycle bins on the lot? Did you know that this bed is a lot more energy efficient than that bed, etcetera.
You're really not getting it. I only gave you a list because you asked for real world details! Actually, you asked for empirical evidence, but like I said, I haven't the time right now. My original point, before you started on about topography and climate - neither of which are factors in the Sims - was that your "wood fire polluting the atmosphere [...] doesn't seem very eco-friendly to me" tease is WRONG. Why not just admit this and then I will happily drop it. Perhaps bringing you up on this was nit-picky, but MATY is nothing if not a picker of nits.
I happily admit that I was not considering topography nor climate in my original comment of Sim wood heating acting as a pollutant. However, as for picking nits, being wrong assumes I was trying to state facts. If you re-read. I said "doesn't seem very eco-friendly to me" (opinion), as in, this house doesn't give the impression (opinion) of being eco-friendly, due to the heating and water slide. Whether or not it actually is eco-friendly is not something I was trying to argue.
Quote from: Seqkat on 2011 July 08, 13:04:14
Quote from: Anach on 2011 July 08, 12:26:29
Are the window's double-glazed
No.
Thanks for the info. I shall factor that into my future analysis of power consumption. :P
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