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Jezabel:
Quote from: Anghara on 2011 June 16, 22:33:57
I think you all speak remarkably good English for a bunch of foreigners. :P
Of course, my English isn't perfect, but then, I've spent too much time in the US, or watching the myriad TV shows they export to over here, so I'm polluted, or corrupted, or possibly both. Either way I remain English. God save the language, because I do think we are on the slippery slope to a global tongue, and it won't be "English English".
Oh, and Jezabel, your English is way better than my French, so I don't think you have anything to worry about. I do try, but as you say, unless you can think in the language, you can't really speak it without messing up the flow of it. I can get by, but every Frenchman knows the minute I open my mouth that I'm English, even if I don't start my sentences with "Um..."
TV shows, books and horse-riding trips around the world where all the other tourist were English are the ways I learned to speak it.
Some pointers on how to better integrate in french culture even if you don't speak it perfectly : throw some "merde !" here an there, complain about everything and be vocal about it and remember that french are always right just because they are french so don't try to argue with them.
Really, being french is not that hard even though speaking the language can be!
Of course then the question would be : who the heck would want to integrate in french culture when he doesn't have to ? It's french ! ;)
jolrei:
I know there is a long-standing tradition in English to criticise all things French, but don't feel you, as a French person, have to be self-denigrating. After all, the French have given the world a lot of things, such as wine that you can call either burgundy or claret, Quebec, and that thing where you spit after you say something to express displeasure.
Also, without there being real French people, English speakers could not do comedy in outrageous French accents.
Don't sell yourself short.
Jezabel:
Quote from: jolrei on 2011 June 17, 20:41:10
I know there is a long-standing tradition in English to criticise all things French, but don't feel you, as a French person, have to be self-denigrating. After all, the French have given the world a lot of things, such as wine that you can call either burgundy or claret, Quebec, and that thing where you spit after you say something to express displeasure.
Also, without there being real French people, English speakers could not do comedy in outrageous French accents.
Don't sell yourself short.
I don't sell myself and other French people short, I love a lot about France, French people and French culture, but I also know it's faults.
It's my non French side speaking.
That's the thing when you're bi-cultural, one side of you sometimes feels the urge to point and laugh at you other side.
The problem being that if you're living in the country of the side being laugh at it's hard to find people to share the fun.
Fikcija:
Quote from: Jezabel on 2011 June 17, 21:06:17
It's my non French side speaking.
That's the thing when you're bi-cultural, one side of you sometimes feels the urge to point and laugh at you other side.
I can relate to that. But even so, don't you sometimes get the urge to defend that very same side?
Jezabel:
Quote from: Fikcija on 2011 June 17, 21:21:59
Quote from: Jezabel on 2011 June 17, 21:06:17
It's my non French side speaking.
That's the thing when you're bi-cultural, one side of you sometimes feels the urge to point and laugh at you other side.
I can relate to that. But even so, don't you sometimes get the urge to defend that very same side?
Absolutely !
Sometimes it leads to very interesting though strange discussions with myself.
But it's not very often.
Of course I won't stand someone else pointing and laughing at one of my countries even if I was doing the same myself only moments ago ::)
Still I won't get upset, just won't be able to stand listening without pointing to the other side of the coin and telling about all the great things that also exist in said country.
In all fairness I'll probably even begin with "You're not wrong, but ...."
Well except if it's someone I dislike ! Then there will be fighting >:(
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