Patch 1.11/2.6/3.2
rampancy:
Quote from: Jeeves on 2010 April 17, 03:39:18
Why bother? Is it really that difficult to copy files? Maybe someone without these most basic of computer skills should not be using AwesomeMod. Or a computer, for that matter.
The preamble to the How-To-Install-The-Framework thread states that there have been "many" people that have had trouble installing the framework; I simply suggested a method of reducing that problem. Do you have a problem with things being easy for people to do? Do you enjoy having to answer the same questions over and over again, because your opinion of Awesomemod's install difficulty level is not reflected in the amount of oft-repeated questions?
Quote from: jeromycraig on 2010 April 17, 04:02:46
Everyone responds MUCH BETTER to some sanctimonious white knight showing up to lecture about how MATYzens should behave on their own board.
I did not intend to lecture, nor did I have any belief that my comments would spawn a forum-based version of Brightest Day. Someone commented that they were annoyed that newer posters were directly asking not to be savaged, and I pointed out that this assumption does not come out of thin air.
Quote from: jeromycraig on 2010 April 17, 04:02:46
This is not a hand-holding, feel-good club.
Thus why newer posters regularly post along the lines of "please don't yell at me". Full circle.
Jeeves:
Quote from: rampancy on 2010 April 17, 04:25:42
I simply suggested a method of reducing that problem.
If people would learn what that bar at the top labeled "Search:" is for, or even read the thread you cited (and actually following the instructions), an AwesomeMod installer would be useless. I already think it is, given that installing it is just copying files to the proper directories. I cannot find what is so hard about doing this correctly. Hell, there are step-by-step directions.
Quote from: rampancy on 2010 April 17, 04:25:42
Do you enjoy having to answer the same questions over and over again [snip]
Again, if people would learn to use that bar labeled "Search:", or the link "Advanced Search", people wouldn't have to answer the same questions over and over again. Sadly, these elusive super-secret forum tools remain hidden to those that don't seem to see the top of the page.
rampancy:
Quote from: Jeeves on 2010 April 17, 04:41:51
Again, if people would learn to use that bar labeled "Search:", or the link "Advanced Search", people wouldn't have to answer the same questions over and over again.
Yes, they would. Forum searches (regardless of the specific forum software used) are inherently hit and miss affairs. For example, I did a few searches just now, and in each one of them, the first page of results for each search was dominated by posts chastising another user for not using the search to find it.
Quote from: Jeeves on 2010 April 17, 04:41:51
I cannot find what is so hard about doing this correctly. Hell, there are step-by-step directions.
As I've said before, I found the directions to be woefully unclear. Subjectively, Awesomemod is not difficult to install and maintain. Objectively, many people continue to have difficulty installing ahd maintaining Awesomemod. Wouldn't the only proper option be to deal with the objective nature of the situation, rather than a subjective, biased opinion?
wizard_merlin:
Quote from: rampancy on 2010 April 17, 03:07:51
Fundamentally, Awesomemod (compared to other drastic-game-changers) is significantly easier to screw up when installing, even for users that understand their systems. Granted, part of this is how unstable Sims 3 can be. Forum searches are always spotty at best, and how-to threads (I'm looking at you, How-To-Install-The-Framework Thread) are difficult to parse.
Random suggestion, has Pescado thought at all about an Awesomemod installer, complete with framework that installs everything to wherever it is supposed to be?
What makes AM easier to screw up when installing than any other mod? ALL mods and CC require the framework to be installed correctly to work. AM does NOT require any special changes to the framework to make it work properly, when compared to other mods and CC.
The reason the "how to install" thread may be difficult is because it was designed to accommodate all the different variables. Things like someone saying the thread doesn't help them because they have the base game only and not WA, or they have HELS and not WA and the thread doesn't cover it, because they are too stupid to be able to read simple instructions then adapt them to different situations. As an example, when HELS came out, people were complaining they could not get their mods and CC working. Yet simple logic says after WA came out and it was revealed that the framework had to be expanded into WA, it would also have to be expanded into HELS, but alot of people never considered that until they were explicitly told to expand it into HELS.
People who have difficulty navigating through Windows and making/changing folders, etc. probably should consider not using mods with TS3.
Why should Pescado make an installer when Delphy already has one?
The reason the search function may throw alot of bad results is because the board has been inundated with all of these stupid "I can't get AM to work" posts, usually in a special thread all their own. I have found many answers using the search function, and continue to find answers to problems that way.
jolrei:
Quote from: rampancy on 2010 April 17, 09:01:19
Quote from: Jeeves on 2010 April 17, 04:41:51
Again, if people would learn to use that bar labeled "Search:", or the link "Advanced Search", people wouldn't have to answer the same questions over and over again.
Yes, they would. Forum searches (regardless of the specific forum software used) are inherently hit and miss affairs. For example, I did a few searches just now, and in each one of them, the first page of results for each search was dominated by posts chastising another user for not using the search to find it.
This is a point, I think. There are a number of indiscriminate sporkers around who will apparently spork any question at all, regardless of its real merit. This clutters the boards with unhelpful stuff like the "USE SEARCH!!11" threads. At the same time, we are building a rather nice library of threads in which people converse with 'tards, vote in polls about 'tards, complain about 'tards, and so forth. These may be incredibly helpful to someone, if we can ever figure out what they're good for. You take the good with the bad, I suppose.
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