How are my offenders suppose to eat?
Liz:
Quote from: Anonym on 2009 October 22, 06:20:36
Quote from: Liz on 2009 October 22, 04:04:36
...I find it perfectly "realistical" that a REAL LIFE adult would be labeled a pedo for attempting to interact with a minor in the ways the game recognizes as flirting.
The game recognizes "compliment personality" as flirting. So if I, a straight YA male, told a 16 year old girl, "You are one of the most fun people I've ever talked to! You're smart, personable, and have a great sense of humor! I'd love to spend more time with you!" then I'd be labeled a pedo?
If you're exporting sim scenarios to the real world, yes, you would because "compliment personality" is fixed to the FLIRT branch of the tree. You do not find it in any sort of "casual conversation" options; for a sim, it is only available as a flirtation. Yes, "compliment appearance" is also a flirt. It is not "RL pedo" to tell your nephew he looks adorable in his Halloween costume. But the game does not have a "say something nice to nephew about his costume" option. To get to "compliment appearance/personality" you must first go to flirt.
Completely separate from TS3, if you in RL said the above to a teen, it would sound creepy as hell. But the original point was about whether an action that was labeled pedo in the game would also be construed as such in RL. I maintain that it would, given that to reach "compliment appearance" the speaker has already chosen "flirt" as a means of communication. The speaker has determined to flirt and then chosen what might otherwise be an "innocent enough" comment from those available, but the fact of the matter is that if she's complimenting a 12's personality or appearance, she has already, by definition, chosen to flirt with this kid. How she does it isn't really irrelevant from that moment on because she's already standing in pedotown.
blackninja:
Quote from: Sigmund on 2009 October 22, 14:24:44
Quote from: blackninja on 2009 October 22, 07:25:06
I am not talking about people abusing their positions to make advancements on someone who is afraid to do anything because they are of a lower standing than the other person.
Quote from: blackninja on 2009 October 21, 04:42:44
Have you ever seen how many older men flirt with young girls? Teachers, employeers, neighbors, everyone.
I think you can see the contradictory quality of your two statements for yourself. Additionally, I'm unclear what "definition" you're referring to, as I never provided one.
No, I cannot see the contradictoy quality of my statements, because there is none besides the one that you yourself are making through your own interpretation, which is very, very wrong. I am saying that it is an occurance that happens through a multitude of platforms. Just because I say teachers, doesn't mean I'm implying that they are abusing their power to make advances in the way you are thinking. Honestly, wtf, how can you tell me what I am saying when I am the one saying it. The point I am trying to convey is clear in my head and I am putting it down in words on this forum, the problem is that with putting down in text one's ideas, comes to fact that that text cannot hold to ability to convey one's emotions, tone, and the full depth of one's inner reasonings. Those things are left for the reader of the text to define as they see fit through their understanding of the text. And you, ma'dam, are wrongfully identifing the text to an extreme.
Liz:
Quote from: blackninja on 2009 October 22, 16:07:45
Quote from: Sigmund on 2009 October 22, 14:24:44
I think you can see the contradictory quality of your two statements for yourself.
Honestly, wtf, how can you tell me what I am saying when I am the one saying it. The point I am trying to convey is clear in my head and I am putting it down in words on this forum, the problem is that with putting down in text one's ideas, comes to fact that that text cannot hold to ability to convey one's emotions, tone, and the full depth of one's inner reasonings. Those things are left for the reader of the text to define as they see fit through their understanding of the text. And you, ma'dam, are wrongfully identifing the text to an extreme.
Given your inability to express yourself clearly, there can often be a wide margin between what you mean to say and what you do say. When you give multiple examples containing teachers, bosses, etc., flirting with minors, students, employes... those over whom they have authority... there is an unmistakable inequality between the parties in your scenarios. Your hypothetical teacher and boss might not be purposefully exploiting their power over their "target" flirtees, but where such a discrepancy exists there is by definition an abuse of that position's authority. Just as your intent doesn't necessarily come across in what you're trying to say, what they mean by their flirtation isn't the whole of what their action means, as that inequality is an inherent part of any interaction between the parties involved.
blackninja:
The point I was making in describing different types of people was that it occurs in nearly every part of our society. I can clearly represent myself, but all you intellectual long time members just like to hold your chin above everyone else and try to make your point the only valid point. THE POINT I WAS MAKING IS THAT FLIRTY SUCH OF THAT IS A COMMON, YET NOT CONDONABLE ACTION THAT HAPPENS IN NEARLY EVERY LEVEL OF OUR SOCIETY TODAY!
Go fuck yourselfs, shit. And while your at it, try being fucking wrong for once, it might make you a little more human. Jackasses.
Jelenedra:
Just because it happens doesn't make it any less pedo.
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