question about the death of a Chosen sim, when the family wasn't being played
Bouncing Pink Ball:
Quote from: minonda on 2009 August 22, 02:43:22
(cut unrelated response to Kyna)
Are you offended that I find old people boring? Sorry,I do, that's all. And guess what, I'm an old person. Just as in real life, in any Sims version, young people have so much to look forward to and experience. For elders, everything has happened and there is only death at the end. No more surprises, no more goals to attain. Although (and now I am repeating myself) in TS3 they can pursue hobbies and that makes playing them more inteersting.
Really?
Helen Hooven Santmyer was a woman's rights activist and prominent scholar who, after a lifetime of mild writing success, was 88 when she published her most famous book, ...And Ladies of the Club. I've always admired that.
Kyna:
minonda, I think you missed my point. I mentioned the Adult Jobs For Elders hack (or whatever it was called) simply because it removed one of the few significant differences between adults & elders in TS2. It's not that I found the jobs inherently interesting in themselves.
Once you took away the employment discrimination there really wasn't a great deal of difference between adults and elders in TS2. The main differences were that elders could not get pregnant/give birth, and that elders had an advantage over adults when it came to encouraging personality traits. Did you find pregnancy & birth so fascinating in TS2 that sims who were no longer capable of it were suddenly boring?
I'm not elderly myself, being only in my mid-40s. I do think it is unfortunate that our beauty-oriented, youth-obsessed culture tends to fear elderly women (oh no, is it catching?) & the aging process (zOMG, it IS catching!). I suppose my gameplay reflects my values when it comes to the elderly. Personally I'd rather play sims who are elders than sims who are in the overly-long teen stage.
BTW, double posting does not mean making the same post twice. It means making two consecutive posts in a row, without anyone else posting in between your posts. We have a modify button so that you don't need to double post.
minonda:
Quote from: Kyna on 2009 August 22, 12:18:07
\ Did you find pregnancy & birth so fascinating in TS2 that sims who were no longer capable of it were suddenly boring?
One of the things I enjoy most about the sims is getting them together and then seeing what offspring they produce. It's interesting to me to see what traits the children inherit. I don't have big families, because I also find taking care of babies and toddlers tedious, although the babies in TS3 are easier because you don't have to clean up their dirty diapers and pick up their spoiled bottles. The toddlers are still work because you have to spend so much time teaching them to walk, talk, and use the toilet. In my TS3 game so far each family has only one child. In TS2 there were usually 2 children.
I like seeing family trees grow and find the whole genetic thing interesting.
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: minonda on 2009 August 22, 01:27:10
My experience with the unmodded TS3 makes me feel like an observer, not a participant. If I want to observe, I'll watch TV.
This is very much a problem in stock TS3: There's basically nothing for the player to do. Witness how quickly Macrotastics was resurrected in a totally different system. This system is simply EASIER. That's fine and good that we don't have to focus on peeing anymore, but at the same time the micromanagement is made easier, the number of playing pieces you have is reduced! From Stupid Kuronue's Morrowind example, what it comes down to is a bare-bones RPG where your involvement is either that of the menial bean-counting inventory sorter, or the token rubber stamp. A General without an Army.
Quote from: varmint on 2009 August 22, 01:40:42
I really see both sides of this. I actually kind of hated some things about TS2 style aging - like twin sisters who were two life stages apart from each other and other credibilty-straining stuff like that.
Yes, this was an ongoing problem with TS2, where some characters tended to become window-dressing, but if you wanted to avoid this problem, you were stuck at least going through the motions of slamming through them on Macrotastics at speed 3. In TS3, you can slap them on Supreme Commander and let them do their thing while you DO SOMETHING INTERESTING.
Quote from: varmint on 2009 August 22, 01:40:42
But I also felt the weird pressure to keep up with all of my beloved characters in TS3 before they aged without me and I couldn't even enjoy playing them.
There is also this. But then, we have Aging Off, and Aging Scale. Epic Aging is roughly equivalent to the timeprogression of 20 famblies, anyway, what with the lifespan being about 600 days, which is equivalent to the TS2 lifespan of about 30 days * 20 famblies played in sync, the difference being that you can spend it with whoever interests you more...in AwesomeMod, anyway. In stock, forget it.
Quote from: Kyna on 2009 August 22, 12:18:07
Once you took away the employment discrimination there really wasn't a great deal of difference between adults and elders in TS2. The main differences were that elders could not get pregnant/give birth, and that elders had an advantage over adults when it came to encouraging personality traits. Did you find pregnancy & birth so fascinating in TS2 that sims who were no longer capable of it were suddenly boring?
No, and therein lies the problem. The problem *IS* that there wasn't a great deal of difference, and what differences that existed were either irrelevant because we simply DIDN'T find those aspects that fascinating, or decidedly negative (crappier motive decay, hideous near-death appearance, etc.). Basically, all you get for your troubles is an uglier, less capable adult. You didn't get to do anything of the GOOD things. Even retirement was a curse in disguise, simply remanding a sim with lousier motives to the player to deal with. No shooing kids off the lawn, no ranting about how much better things were in the old days, no discussions on how much tougher things were and you liked it, nada. Even in TS3, you are not rewarded for your efforts with anything like, say, another personality trait. All that additional life experience is worth precisely zilch. You are rewarded for your efforts with a gimpier sim that looks uglier. You don't even get to have a longer beard. What a gyp.
Quote from: Mootilda on 2009 August 22, 01:04:56
I've been playing with AwesomeMod, but I can't agree that it makes TS3 feel like TS2. I can hardly bring myself to play TS3, but I still love TS2.
You're right on both points. It doesn't make TS3 feel like TS2. It makes TS3 feel BETTER than TS2: The best of both worlds...but Awesomeized TS3 is young and stupid. Perhaps a smarter than average baby, but still a baby. TS2 is a mature game with stuff to actually play. TS3 is a baby of a game waiting to grow into its shoes. Time will tell whether it grows up to be a Jedi, like its father before it, or whether it will be eaten by a dingo.
edalbformat:
I have TS2 reprogrammed in a totally different way. Me and my friends made a giant work to place all the EPs in one, taking out all the things we didn't like. I still play it very often. I have also another system for aging that allows me to age visitors everytime they enter a lot and this aging recognizes if it is in the same day. Well.
Back to TS3, if I feel that I would like to live all the inhabitants while in one determinated age, I extend the lifespan to Epic. If it becomes too boring I shrink it again to normal.
I installed today the Awesome Story Mode after almost one hour to read all the posts about it to keep me updated. I still don't have any results to report because I'm readjusting the hood once I started a new one.
There was no need at all for EA to make elders so decrepit. I'm an elder and as most of my elder friends we meet at the gym (training regularly). I'm strong, little overweight but very strong.
Most of the youngers think that elders are boring, even elders think so. Well, I think babies should be food, toddlers should be hung, children should be in prison and teenagers should be deported, but I can live with them. In TS3 I simply detest everything that is younger than YA. In the country I live parents would suit a school that requires kids to repair boilers or clean bug cages. I simply abominate the "Opportunities", one more stupid than the other. Also for the adults, if I make some burgers and bring to the police station here I will not leave the police station at all and the food control department will fine me in many thousands.
The unmodded TS3 should be banned.
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