Does the Vegetarian Trait affect anything besides food choices?
geekgirl:
Quote from: Aquilegia on 2009 July 05, 15:21:29
All your rattling on about how the typical domestic food beast isn't smart enough to defend itself shows very clearly you've not been around a healthy domestic food beast with its dander up. Note that 'lulled into a false sense of security and never saw it coming,' as per factory farming, doesn't count.
Uhhh....
SPOILERS AHEAD, DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE A SQUEAMISH PUSSY
Food animals are pretty darned easy to kill. I have been around healthy domestic food beasts. I have raised (and hand raised some of them) sheep and goats, and I was first in line with the 'liver bowl' while dad was cleaning their carcasses. You know how easy they are to kill? Bowl of grain, walk up behind them with a gun, shoot them in the skull. They do not run away, they die immediately. For chickens it's more like, chase 'em down, twist their neck and they die quickly, then chop off the head so you can bleed them for a little bit, then peel & eat. Granted, we never did cows because our fences weren't that great, but we had friends who did and the process was no different, just ended with more meat (and you need a bigger gun).
These animals were never mistreated, and all of them were organic, small farm raised ones (yes, I was very lucky growing up where I did, tyvm). Now, I do think we have a responsibility to our animals, since they are domestic, they depend on us for food, water, shelter, and protection, and we have the obligation to see they get those things. It's called 'animal husbandry'. Frankly, so-called 'animal rights' groups offend me, because they kind of miss the point, what with the releasing domesticated animals into the wild in unnatural habitats, 'adopting' animals just to kill them so nobody else will force the pooooor little things into SLAVERY!, and abundant hypocrisy. Can't we all just agree that if we've made it into a tame animal, we have to care for it?
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: caterpillar on 2009 July 05, 15:04:14
Actually, one of the primary reasons that tigers are endangered is over hunting by humans. Not for the meat, but for the fur, and for the 'medicinal' properties of its penis. Also just for sport. They aren't really very good at defending themselves against humans with guns. The reason we don't eat animals like tigers is that they don't do all that well in captivity and could not be mass produced the way cows and chickens can.
Actually, the simple reason we don't eat ANY carnivores is because it is completely uneconomical to produce, and they aren't generally regarded as tasty. Keep in mind that the basic rule is that when you feed an animal something, you'll only get out about 10% of what you feed it. Feeding a tiger, therefore, will transmute 10 units of meat into 1 unit of meat. This is incredibly stupid. Turning 10 units of plantmatter, most of it entirely indigestable anyway, into 1 unit of meat works. Turning 10 units of meat into 1 unit of meat is just stupid. Carnivores simply cannot be farmed for food. This is why you don't see anyone mass-farming cats or dogs as food, even where they will actually eat cats and dogs: It's always an opportunistic activity predicated on the availability of stray cats and dogs.
gethane:
We do eat carnivorous fish.
Aaroc:
Yeah, but fish are typically not domesticated. They are simply harvested from their homes and sent to slaughter.
I don't eat fish though.
Trubble:
Quote from: rosenshyne on 2009 July 04, 23:28:12
Quote from: Trubble on 2009 July 04, 09:14:27
Unlike apples they do feel pain.
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This message only for those vegetarians making this an ethical choice. Those of you choosing based on flavor or texture, carry on.
Just to note, we were discussing treatment before the killing not the killing part of the process. I don't disagree with the food chain.
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