I would like a Smoking Mod - Can it be done?
McCrea:
Quote from: Zouflain on 2009 June 28, 00:31:11
many of the people around me who've succumbed to it develop an entitlement complex (I want to smoke, so you have to breath it too, and if you say anything about me breathing my cancerous death fumes down your throat, you're persecuting me!)
Waah, waaah, I don't know why I have to breathe car exhaust if I want to jog on the sidewalk.
I see it more as succumbing to bullshit civil rights, rather than any complex. It seems similar to anything else so many other things where someone wants to do something legal, and someone opposes it. Usually, the opposition just has to STFU.
Like if I have to tolerate that quart of Chanel #5 that broad near me is wearing. It doesn't matter if I'm getting sick and dizzy and I swear I'm breaking out in hives... she is entitled to wear it. I doubt she has an "entitlement complex" -- which I don't believe is a correct term.
A more fundamental example would be the freedom of speech. So, people can say what they want, when they want, keeping in mind certain legal responsibilities, like avoiding harassment and liable, and local provisions such as decibel level and time of day for disturbing the peace. Most of the time, if someone says something you don't like, you just have to suck it up. They are entitled to speak -- they don't have a complex. Unfortunately, we do not have the right to silence. They are entitled; we have to tolerate. Being entitled isn't a complex.
Zouflain:
Quote from: McCrea on 2009 June 28, 01:41:59
Waah, waaah, I don't know why I have to breathe car exhaust if I want to jog on the sidewalk.
I see it more as succumbing to bullshit civil rights, rather than any complex. It seems similar to anything else so many other things where someone wants to do something legal, and someone opposes it. Usually, the opposition just has to STFU.
I think you misunderstand to whom I was referring. Certainly smoking in a legal area is something I'd just have to deal with. I mean the kind of people who will walk up to you/your group, light a cigarettes next to or upwind of you, then get enraged if you ask them to kindly smoke somewhere else - especially when you're in a state mandated no smoking area. Or people who think it's funny to stand in a vortex so that passing air pulls their smoke into the aforementioned building, as is the case I so frequently have to encounter. They feel entitled to fuck with other people for no apparent reason. Certainly it's within someone's rights to smoke, but being an asshole about it is something else entirely.
jonas:
Me again, I've been away a few days with school stuff and other annoying rl things plus the patch temporarily killed my playtime.
I see this thread is showing some evidence of erosion into the realm of a smoking debate. While I also have strong feelings in that arena, I will keep them to myself to stay on-topic here.
Again, mostly what I'm looking for is for my sims to have their Simbacco habits made graphically representable and as a boon for storytelling. The mod with moodlets and death extras is an exciting additional possibility and this thread is here to see how such a mod could be accomplished.
That being said, there have been some cool suggestions/implements and one..other one.
Quote from: Lurker on 2009 June 25, 00:16:48
For a special death by Simbacco a spontaneous combustion would be awesome. The sim would just burst into flames, scream a bit then curl up.
Maybe a coffee clone could do it as it already has a good moodlet when immediatly drunk (the energy one), then a bad one a couple of hours after (the grumpy one). Adding some moddlets ideas for that: a bad breath moodlet that would only go away by brushing your teeth and a bad smell one that would annoy non-smoker sims whereas smoker sims would immediately have an urge for a death stick if they smell that odor.
EDIT: typo
Love this idea of the coffee clone being used. Maybe it could even be tweaked for a more powerful moodlet swing! While I still like the thought of the sim choking as smoke envelops them to death, Spontaneous combustion is always nice and fun to see in the Sims and probably a lot easier to implement animation-wise than the smoking one.
Quote from: Simius on 2009 June 22, 19:46:14
Quote from: WatersMoon on 2009 June 22, 17:46:09
But cigarettes are actually a stimulant. Would it maybe be possible to decrease the amount of time they can exercise, but add a tiny bit to their Energy meter. I think that would work best, if it were possible. Or maybe a custom moodlet that would prevent them from exercising, sort of like Fatigued by shorter.
Fatigue is independent of energy in the sims 3. So we could do both... a slight boost to energy but an increase in fatigue. Maybe whatever moodlet we'd use for "just smoked" would work like the caffeine moodlet in that the being tired moodlets would be suppressed while it is active.
Simious and Watersmoon's thoughts on the caffeine moodlet and higher fatigue is something I would think is a must for this mod.
Quote from: wendylady on 2009 June 22, 17:14:58
side note from ex smoker :: add less hunger, as a lot of people smoke instead of munchies on food.
Again, this should be a feature.
Quote from: J. M. Pescado on 2009 June 23, 16:18:00
If I ever support them into the game, I'm going to refer to them as Death Sticks. Like the caffeine buzz crash, your sim will then get a negative moodlet of "Could use a Death Stick". To prevent the negative moodlet, you must then give your sim another death stick, and thus the cycle of addiction continues.
Totally cool with the Death Stick name (want stogies and pipes too, though) and I think this is a great way to implement the addiction.
Quote from: Aaroc on 2009 June 24, 13:38:01
I'm not sure how difficult it would be to add a new skill to the game, but having a smoking "skill" which would really serve as an addiction instead, would be a way to keep track of how severely the need for a cigarette would affect the sim in question.
For example, if you only had one smoking skill point, you might get a positive moodlet from smoking a cigarette, that actually increases your mood a bit, but by the time you have 8 or 9 skill points, you get a -50 moodlet if you haven't had a cigarette in the last hour or so.
And then of course when you master the "Death Stick Skill" You die.
The only problem with this method is that a sim could never quit smoking without dire consequences because of a permanent -50 moodlet. But what's worse.. that moodlet, or dying by maximizing the skill?
This idea cracks me up as well and could be an interesting and fun way to show the addiction - the massive hit to the sim's moodlet accurately portrays most smoker's (certainly my own) mood when going too long without. There would have to be a way to kill the permanence though eventually - like how the "furious" relationship bar goes down in time....somehow.
Quote from: Doc Doofus on 2009 June 26, 04:26:36
Okay, I have another idea. If we HAVE to give the cigarettes unpleasant side effects, let's not make it so grim nobody wants to play with it.
I suggest that smoking Sim-cigarettes should make your Sims have gay lusty thoughts. It should give them wants to flirt/kiss/woohoo with any nearby sims of the same sex, regardless of their relationship level. (Maybe it makes gay sims have straight thoughts?)
Now that could create some interesting gameplay opportunities. And I'm sure there is an interesting moral message in there, somewhere, although I'm not sure what.
I want to give you the Bunny with a Pancake image for this one, but that belongs to Pescado on this site. I also want to call you names reserved for people with fewer mental capacities but instead I'm just going to go WTF??!?!??!?
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: Zouflain on 2009 June 28, 05:56:46
Or people who think it's funny to stand in a vortex so that passing air pulls their smoke into the aforementioned building, as is the case I so frequently have to encounter. They feel entitled to fuck with other people for no apparent reason.
Oh, that one's easy. Just discreetly dump a chamber pot on them.
edejan:
I'd love to see a smoking mod with extreme chain smoking. I have a character who badly needs this mod. And I don't care about all the political/health crap. That's real life. I just want my sim (his mother actually) to be able to walk around with a cigarette hanging out of her mouth and an ashtray in her hand. And the ability to tap her cigarette ash off on the side of the ashtray in her hand or just randonly on to the floor just like the real old time smokers did. And putting down the ashtray on every table corner she walks by. No big health problems, nothing complicated...maybe a contentment/relaxation moodlet or relief from anxiety. That would be cool and fun. I don't see this as glamorizing smoking, it was just a fact of life for many people.
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