What, in Heaven's name, is up with traits?! Scary Pic included
OpiumGirl:
Quote from: Pyromaniac on 2009 June 15, 23:20:19
A little OT, but I kind of prefer the second face as well. :P
The first one feels kind of alien-esque-looking.
I....I think I'm in love with you.
Ayana:
Am I the only person who thinks they're both pretty, in different ways? The 'before' in a more media-idealized way, and the 'after' in a real-person she's pretty hot way.
You know, I think that's what's been bugging me about the before, that I couldn't quite put my finger on. She looks too much like fake plastic celebrity pretty.
Zazazu:
No, Ayana, you're not. They are different, but neither is anywhere near hideous, ugly, or even slightly unattractive. I find the analysis of these bunches of pixels by their creator to be distasteful, but then they are her pixels. Just keep away from mine, okay?
Doc Doofus:
For what it's worth, I thought both before and after pics were too fugly for me. It's hard to say if it's an improvement. The biggest problem with the first pic was the eyebrows. But almost all the faces in the game have horrible eyebrows and no tools to fix them properly. The outside edges of the eyebrows seem to permanently anchored such that raising the eyebrow (eyebrow height) only arches it even further. Reducing the eyebrow arch slider does nothing to remove that outside eyebrow anchor. Rotating eyebrows only rotates everything from the middle to the inside, exaggerating the arch. The only thing to do when you get brows like that, that I have found, is to rotate the brows upwards (on the inside); the resulting brows are less arched, but the brows are strangely slanted and make the Sims look sad and passive. It's much easier to just replace the brows.
We really got shitty slider tools with TS3. I'm very pissed off about that.
The mouth is also crappy, but you did little to improve that in the second pic. Large mouths seem to come standard in the game, just as they did with basic TS2. I usually end up shrinking them quite dramatically. You can create a simllar effect, though, with a makeup change. Using a lighter makeup makes it look less prominent. And if we can ever make our OWN makeup (not this color wheel crap) then we may be able to do even better.
Back to the topic at top -- This is more important I guess -- genetic facial gender dysmorphism in the game:
TS2 was AWFUL in this regard. I can't understand anybody thinking TS3 is worse. In my set of default replacement TS2 archetype faces, I focused on making more attractive female faces; the males got beaten pretty badly by the Fugly Stick as a result.
If TS3 is anything like TS2, I can probably tell you what is going on. Every sim, regardless of gender, carried the settings for both male and female faces in their file. Tweaking the face for one gender applied changes to the settings for the analogous opposite gender face, although you did not see that. The unseen opposite gender face owed its genesis to the other part of a face pair in the game archetypes.
What I COULD have done (and never did, sadly) was to edit the faces of males and females separately and then merging separately edited male and female faces together when constructing the new default. When the tools become available for doing this with TS3, that's going to be one of my first TS3 projects.
OpiumGirl:
Quote from: Ayana on 2009 June 15, 23:42:57
You know, I think that's what's been bugging me about the before, that I couldn't quite put my finger on. She looks too much like fake plastic celebrity pretty.
Yes, yes! Fake and plastic!Quote from: magicmoon on 2009 June 15, 20:46:00
Quote from: funnykid on 2009 June 15, 15:53:26
I agree. I like the jaw of the "Before" more as well. The "Before" looks more natural, whereas the "After" looks like she had little tweaks done by a Korean plastic surgeon. I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.
Just so I know what kind of Tard you are, do you have a problem with Koreans, plastic surgeons, or just when a person is both at the same time?
:D!! I didn't know if I shouild be offended by the whole Korean statement. My gut feeling was "yes", but "tard" may work depending on whether or not that's a politically correct statement by itself.
Funnykid has the pictures confused, anyway. It's the first that has a plastic and stretched look about her.
@Doc Dufus, your post only solidifies how differently people view beauty. I disagree quite stronly with a lot of your ideas that would "better" the way they look. I have a feeling that I wouldn't particularly like the results of your most beautiful sim (in your eyes), and I say that with complete objectivity. It's obvious that there are many who would feel completely the same, and completely opposite and, well, in between as well.
To clarify all of this, I never did say that any of them were "beautiful". As I said, I do my best to make each sim very, very different from one another which often yields *unpretty* and imperfect results. What I mean is, sometimes I make the lips a little too big, lush and/or put the nose closer to the mouth as in the first pic. Had I shrunk his lips, moved his mouth down a bit and other minor tweaks, then he would probably be "handsome" to some who can't look past outstanding features. But I go for unique. If I perfected every one of them, they'd all look exactly the same. So, I go with outstanding features a lot. If you then look at the Father of the homely child, ehem, you will see that no features of his or particularly outstanding and is actually rather bland in a way, though no unpleasantly so. Just like real people.
So, I'm not harping on fugly Sims..You should see some of the ones I've had. It's just that if I make a normal looking sim, I want his/her family to come out the same. Make sense? Not distasteful anymore (zazazu?), hopefully. I do tend to forget that some people don't know that I'm being humorous a lot of times. It's hard to translate everything via computer....
I appreciate everyone's opinion and, I may be coming back with my head hanging low when my child grows up and looks normal. If there's interest still, I'll be sure to post the pictures so you can say 1. "See? I told you so" or 2. "I don't think she's that bad" or 3. "Yuck, you were right!
And you can bet we'd hear every single one of those!! :D
Are outside links to pics allowed? I can't locate anything against it. Many may hate me for this...but, let's just have a laugh!!
This is not my sim and I do not endorse this sort of sick joke upon the masses, but she is revered as beautiful.... I saw comments like "she's gorgeous!" with my very own eyes. I could definitely think of a few descriptive words for her too but, you're probably not interested... ::) That's what I'm afraid my child will look like... *shudders*. There can't be TOO many who....well, ya never know, it's a very *diverse* place, this world. She's So HAWT! Right? Right everyone? :-*
http://thumbs2.modthesims.info/img/3/0/8/3/7/8/2/MTS2_thumb_psychedeliria_936866_TWO.jpg
Moderator edit: Don't hotlink images from freesites.
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