Important notice from the GRAMMAR POLICE. Plz read. This means you.
Jelenedra:
Quote from: jolrei on 2009 July 27, 16:14:35
(Yes, I know one should not start a sentence with "also" - it's non-standard.)
You're not? Well, shit, no wonder I get a Grammar Boot every year. :P What's the reasoning?
jolrei:
I don't really know specifically. I learned my grammar a long time ago, and occasionally do an update, but the basic rules are now fully incorporated into the "it does/doesn't sound right" part of functional memory. I think, a term like "additionally" would be more correct, whereas "also" is a more vernacular "common usage" type of thing, but technically incorrect. It does appear to have a certain stylistic correctness on the internet, and is certainly used a lot as a sentence starter, so it has some level of common acceptance, depending on the context. I wouldn't use it as a starter in formal text.
Then again, perhaps I'm just wrong.
Jelenedra:
Quote from: jolrei on 2009 July 27, 16:23:49
I don't really know specifically. I learned my grammar a long time ago, and occasionally do an update, but the basic rules are now fully incorporated into the "it does/doesn't sound right" part of functional memory. I think, a term like "additionally" would be more correct, whereas "also" is a more vernacular "common usage" type of thing, but technically incorrect. It does appear to have a certain stylistic correctness on the internet, and is certainly used a lot as a sentence starter, so it has some level of common acceptance, depending on the context. I wouldn't use it as a starter in formal text.
Then again, perhaps I'm just wrong.
I want to say that I've used it in essays and never had an odd remark about it. I had some pretty old school Comp teachers too. They didn't believe in using sentence fragments for effect. =p I wouldn't think they would let "also sentences" slide. I could be wrong about that, though. Who knows about the thought processes of teachers I had ages ago might've been.
rufio:
Quote from: jolrei on 2009 July 27, 16:14:35
I think that after 34 pages of this totally interesting go-nowhere argument between rufio and pretty much everyone else (special recognition to rohina for persistence), it behooves us to revisit the original purpose of this thread, just for nostalgia's sake.
Actually, I think you'll find that I did not even post in this thread until page 9, did not post in response to rohina until page 13, and did not post about grammar until page 21. The issue on page 21 was an unrelated argument; the current one has only been going on for three pages.
Quote from: rohina on 2009 July 27, 16:17:21
Since you aren't really capable of understanding rhetorical analysis - it isn't about "interpretation" the way you appear to think - it isn't possible to explain the mechanics of it to you in any sophisticated way. I would suggest you take Jelly's simplistic explanation and be satisfied.
You are obviously looking for specific terms, and are going to reject any attempts to answer your questions that do not contain those terms. I used the word "interpretation" only since I knew you were unlikely to accept any answer having to do with tone and pitch, as you claim to have no internal voice while reading. Generally, when I think of "style" I think of the way something "sounds" while I'm reading it; you obviously mean a more concrete and universal set of literary devices, and since I no longer remember what they are, I will not be able to answer your question to your satisfaction. It's not a matter of not understanding them, just of not having properly memorized a list. I answered because I was under the impression that there would be some pearls of wisdom at the end of it, but I obviously forgot it was you I was talking to.
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Midwing is fail because its previous attempts at sentences had included gibberish, and the fragment it wrote was dreadful both stylistically and from a "your sentence, do she make any sense" point of view.
Where did this gibberish take place? Everything she posted in this thread is easy to read and more or less grammatically correct. You just decided to throw a hissy fit because she used an unfamiliar turn of phrase.
ETA: Proper quote tags.
rohina:
Specific terms would have been nice, but that wasn't what I wanted, no.
The fragment made no sense. You are going to refuse to acknowledge that, no matter what I say, so I will not discuss it with you further.
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