Important notice from the GRAMMAR POLICE. Plz read. This means you.
Nimrod:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 July 01, 14:03:36
In my experience, "a water/lemonade/juice/etc." is mostly limited to restaurants, where it refers to a specific standardized drink order. At home I wouldn't say, "I'm going to get a water" unless I was referring to an unopened bottle of water or one of many pre-prepared glasses of water, as opposed to, say, filling up a glass from the sink.
Regardless of your idol technicalities, your context above demands the use of "prepared", unless you're going to dictate what amount of time qualifies as "beforehand". So far as I know, beforehand simply means BEFORE the intended result. One second, many years, no matter. On top of that, you already presented the image of a tray or counter full of "many" vessels, of course you didn't "just now fill it from the sink".
Quote from: rufio on 2009 July 01, 21:38:28
"I drank a glass of water that had been pre-prepared." = It was sitting out on the counter when I got here.
There you go again, dictating qualifiers and definitions, just because "it's your normal usage", stubborn you are. Whether you just now filled a glass to drink immediately, or sat it on the counter, or the glass had been there for hours, the thing has been prepared before it is used.
Semantics are fun. ;D
ETA: Wouldn't "pre-made" make more sense, or at least provide better imagery? I was just thinking that the words "making" and "made" would be in better accordance with your examples.
rufio:
Quote from: Nimrod on 2009 July 02, 00:03:35
Semantics are is fun.
Too bad you don't actually seem to be interested in it.
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ETA: Wouldn't "pre-made" make more sense, or at least provide better imagery? I was just thinking that the words "making" and "made" would be in better accordance with your examples.
Not to me. All glasses are pre-made, and water is not made at all, unless it's not really water you're talking about.
rohina:
Quote from: Rothchild on 2009 July 01, 22:23:05
Since this is the grammar thread, I'd like to ask for help. I have trouble knowing when to use effect and affect. Most of the times when affect is used, it seems effect could be used in it's place. Any grammar gods willing to help me out?
Remember
Affect is a
Verb
Effect is a
Noun
This simple mnemonic is pretty useful, except if you a) don't know what a verb and noun are, b) are a psychology student or c) rufio.
rufio:
Well, affect can also be a noun and effect can also be a verb. But I'm sure you knew that already.
rohina:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 July 02, 02:54:05
Well, affect can also be a noun and effect can also be a verb. But I'm sure you knew that already.
Yes, fuckknuckle, hence the mentioned exceptions. I also knew you were going to headpeen it, hence the listing of "rufio" in the exceptions.
On the other hand, for morons who are clearly having trouble with the basic distinction, the mnemonic covers 95% of cases. So, whose explanation is more FUNCTIONAL, Oh-great-wanker-of-the-functional? Mine. That's whose.
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