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rufio:
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 16, 06:02:04
No one was MAKING this person take English. They were encouraging her, merely because she had expressed an interest in it, and in spite of a bunch of issues that made it pretty much contra-indicated.
Ah, see, you mentioned grade 12, so I thought this was high school. Maybe you should be a little more clear. If it's college, though, I can actually understand it - she's paying them money to take certain classes, and I can see them getting worried about lawsuits and crap if they tell her, "You don't have the mental ability to major in English" or something to that effect. Idiotic? Sure, but I'm not sure there's anything that can be done about it. Passing people randomly because they want to be writers is not something I have ever heard of before, though. Unless this is something totally different and you have once again failed to communicate what you mean.
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What the hell is your argument, now? That my experience is nothing but anecdotal?
I think you need some help with reading comprehension. My point was that I see you whining about this all the time and wanted to know what, specifically you were whining about, and since asking you simple questions doesn't seem to work, this is my only option to get you to tell me something real.
I asked you another question too, which I'm actually interested in hearing the answer to, but once again you have completely ignored it in favor of venting your spleen. I guess I will have to attack you on your abilities to analyze and identify language disorders among your students in order to get an answer to that one.
jolrei:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 16, 06:31:52
I think you need some help with reading comprehension. My point was that I see you whining about this all the time and wanted to know what, specifically you were whining about, and since asking you simple questions doesn't seem to work, this is my only option to get you to tell me something real.
Not sure I understand this. See, she did actually tell the story of her office mate, who had a student with a learning disability who wanted to be an English major, but couldn't write a sentence, and yet was being passed along, likely to her detriment...
Seems slightly more than merely anecdotal to me.
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 16, 06:31:52
I asked you another question too, which I'm actually interested in hearing the answer to, but once again you have completely ignored it in favor of venting your spleen.
Yes, perhaps, but you invite people to vent spleens. In fact, if this was a desirable skill, you could become rich running spleen venting therapy sessions.
Jelenedra:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 16, 06:31:52
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 16, 06:02:04
No one was MAKING this person take English. They were encouraging her, merely because she had expressed an interest in it, and in spite of a bunch of issues that made it pretty much contra-indicated.
Ah, see, you mentioned grade 12, so I thought this was high school.
Do you even READ what people write? It was directed at YOU for fuck's sake.
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I meant exactly what I said. It's not a conspiracy, it's a misguided educational approach. I don't think there's any mystery about it, however wrongheaded I think it is. Students with learning disabilities are being encouraged to think that they can do whatever they want, to the point where my office mate got a student in his class who seriously could not write a sentence, but who wanted to be an English major so she could be a writer. Her language and cognitive disabilities were so severe that she was never going to be able to pass a Grade 12 equivalent English class, but teaching aide after teaching aide had passed her along, giving her the idea that not being able to write a simple sentence (and we are talking "the cat sat on the mat") was not going to hold her back.
If you are not going to READ, then stop fucking arguing. No one else had a problem understanding what rohina meant there. Reading comprehension failure.
So... rake in face, or are you the new fingers-in-ears?
rohina:
I said "Grade 12 equivalent" and "my office mate" who, oddly enough, also teaches in the same department at the same post-secondary institution. rufio, as usual, embodies that saying about assuming stuff. Do everyone a favour and go back and read the words in all my posts on this subject, in order, rather than your usual method of reading one word in 3 and then guessing the rest according to your rubric "rohina sucks and makes stuff up and I don't like her talking about things I haven't personally experienced because everything she says is supposed to be about me".
Look, rufio, I wasn't "whining" about anything. I was offering a comment on my experiences with students with Learning Disabilities. I don't know why you have a bug up your butt about my doing that, but apparently you do. I made it clear that I am speaking from personal and reported experiences, and what the scope of those experiences is. I offered an example of one of my students, and one of a colleague's. What is it, exactly that you have the problem with? Because it seems like your problem is "rohina expressed an opinion". The solution to this problem is for you to GTFO.
And to answer your question about what the student's specific disorder was, my response is "AH HA HA HA HA, you poor naive little rabbit." At this level, students are protected by FOIP and don't have to SAY what their disabilities are. At least, not to lowly beings like profs. We just have to accomodate the disability, not know what it is.
Jelenedra:
I think it's fairly safe to say that rufio doesn't read other's people posts. She scans them for something she can nitpick and argue semantics on, and harps on it for ages to show off her intellimagence. Failing to see that, by not taking the time to properly read, she just makes herself look like a head peen waggling idiot.
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