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rufio:
maurie, double-posting is somewhat taboo here. Edit your first post to include the text of the second.
Quote from: maurie on 2009 June 16, 03:18:36
Obviously, you have absolutely no idea what and/or how statistical data is generated. Questions are asked, yes. Interaction, however, is extremely limited.
I know how statistical surveys are conducted. I don't think it's an especially enlightening procedure myself, but this seems like a fairly straightforward question - it's fairly easy to determine whether someone dropped out of school, and probably also fairly easy to determine if they have been diagnosed with a LD. The possible answers for both questions are "yes" or "no". There isn't a gray area to confuse things. Of course, this data itself does not go into why every single one of them dropped out, but it shows what they wanted to show (apparently) - that LD kids are getting shaft from somewhere.
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I never used the word "disprove", hence my use of empirical evidence to explain my reasoning.
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but it seemed like you were saying that the study's results were wrong and then giving your personal experience as a refutation.
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Again, why? Isn't her experience enough?
I don't have any particular faith in rohina's experience, no. Please to be doing a search of Retardo Land before jumping into the middle of preexisting fights.
dramamine:
Quote from: maurie on 2009 June 16, 03:25:04
What you are describing doesn't sound like LD. That sounds more like emotionally disturbed.
Reflecting upon that craptastic time, the students could have very well have been emotionally disturbed. However, to my knowledge then and now, I know that there were some children who were LD who weren't exactly as I described. A majority of the ones I encountered during that time were. A few even managed to enter the same high school I attended and participated in regular classes... but with a lot of accomidations. Such as no homework and very little accountability for classwork. That high school didn't have a seperate department/set of teachers to assist LD children, so the entire class had to deal with their accomidations.
That was the main reason why I dropped out of that high school. I was sick of class being dumbed down to an astounding degree and being treated as a troublemaker when I asked questions that made the others think.
rohina:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 16, 01:29:42
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 16, 01:15:51
I never said I was.
So what did you mean what you said this?
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 15, 22:48:03
I know there's a movement in edumacation to do exactly that. However, this kind of idea of "accomodations" is seriously fucking up a bunch of learning disabled students, because it is designed to delude them into thinking their disability doesn't exist.
I meant exactly what I said. It's not a conspiracy, it's a misguided educational approach. I don't think there's any mystery about it, however wrongheaded I think it is. Students with learning disabilities are being encouraged to think that they can do whatever they want, to the point where my office mate got a student in his class who seriously could not write a sentence, but who wanted to be an English major so she could be a writer. Her language and cognitive disabilities were so severe that she was never going to be able to pass a Grade 12 equivalent English class, but teaching aide after teaching aide had passed her along, giving her the idea that not being able to write a simple sentence (and we are talking "the cat sat on the mat") was not going to hold her back.
Oh, and I see from subsequent posts that you have decided that I am making all this stuff up. Well, there's a shock. If there's any information you don't like, just dismiss it out of hand.
@maurie and others who are less insane than rufio: my experiences are anecdotal, but they come from 8 years teaching in a post-secondary institution in Canada. I have at least 1 LD student every semester, and I think my peak was a glorious 12 one semester when I was teaching a class they are all drawn to like bees to honey.
rufio:
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 16, 04:16:58
Students with learning disabilities are being encouraged to think that they can do whatever they want, to the point where my office mate got a student in his class who seriously could not write a sentence, but who wanted to be an English major so she could be a writer. Her language and cognitive disabilities were so severe that she was never going to be able to pass a Grade 12 equivalent English class, but teaching aide after teaching aide had passed her along, giving her the idea that not being able to write a simple sentence (and we are talking "the cat sat on the mat") was not going to hold her back.
Well, that's just dumb administration. It sounds like what they would do with Algebra and Geometry at my high school - someone decided that everyone must take Geometry in 10th grade, even if you'd failed Algebra in 9th grade and therefore had no real background to properly learn the Geometry. That's not just a problem with LD kids.
BTW, what were her language disabilities? Was it specific to writing, or was she just not able to form grammatical sentences at all?
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Oh, and I see from subsequent posts that you have decided that I am making all this stuff up. Well, there's a shock. If there's any information you don't like, just dismiss it out of hand.
I did not decide you were "just making all this stuff up". I am just sick of hearing you go on about things like this that I have never personally seen happen or even heard about from anyone not on a message board, without one single anecdote to show what you're talking about or one single guess at what might actually be happening to cause it. If I have to attack you to find out WTF you are talking about, so be it.
rohina:
Guh, more reading failure. No one was MAKING this person take English. They were encouraging her, merely because she had expressed an interest in it, and in spite of a bunch of issues that made it pretty much contra-indicated. If my blind person had insisted on majoring in Art History, do you think that is something she should have been encouraged to do? Or at some point, does someone need to say, "Uh, dude, if you can't see the paintings, it is going to be a bit difficult for you to write essays about them"?
What the hell is your argument, now? That my experience is nothing but anecdotal? Possibly, except I have had discussions with other academics about similar situations. Oh, but you don't believe me when I say that? Because really, your argument, based on nothing, is that you have decided I am bad at my job?
What is your evidence to support your position? That you had some teachers who had trouble putting up with your shit? How is that valid, if you are dismissing everyone else's personal experience?
As far as your "I am sick of you saying things outside my experience", well, I am sorry your experiences are so limited. Have you asked an educator about these issues? I mean, if you are complaining that you haven't encountered these opinions elsewhere, I have to ask if you have put yourself in the way of encountering them. MATY is full of people I wouldn't meet AFK. It's one of the things I like about this place, actually, since meeting retired mercenaries who live in bunkers is not something that would normally happened to my sheltered, Ivory Tower, self. Meeting entitled assholes who think they are smarter than they are is something I have no shortage of in my workaday life, though.
If you are now dismissing arguments people are making here because they are making them here, I have to ask wtf you think you are going to accomplish. Maybe you should go have a lie down.
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