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rufio:
Quote from: maurie on 2009 June 16, 02:44:17
I really should have included that the information was based on my experience and interaction with my students. You know, the HUMAN interaction with other humans, where I actually meet, observe, interact, assess, teach, talk, celebrate... As opposed to a questionnaire built to build statistics.
What makes you think your class is an appropriate sample of the entire country? What makes you think that the organization did not actually talk to real people? Do you have any explanation of how these results might have been produced if they were not in fact correct? Your personal experiences are probably relevant to the discussion, but using them to "disprove" the findings of an actual scientific study is bullshit.
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I am not saying she doesn't. In fact, I am asking for her to give her Official Academic Opinion (tm) on this subject, with supporting sources of course.
Why?
Because I want to see her actually back up her blanket statement with something of substance?
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Actually, it's spelled absolutely correct. Did you check?
It doesn't matter if it's spelled correctly, and it doesn't matter if I checked your spelling for you. The fact that you found it necessary to put "(sp)" in your post means that you didn't check your spelling even though you were unsure. Either that, or you don't know what "(sp)" means.
dramamine:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 16, 01:11:31
Quote from: maurie on 2009 June 16, 00:47:38
The edumacators who make excuses and tell the students that it's okay that they don't know something are doing a terrible disservice to everyone. The "LD" students are no longer held accountable, so they no longer try to figure out things on their own.
See, I keep hearing about all of these horrible horrible OMG terrible conspiracies to protect learning-disabled kids in a bubble and not requiring them to actually think, but have never actually encountered them anywhere except in blanket statements on message boards. It's like how Communism/Socialized Medicine/Dirty Mexicans/Neoconservative Jews are somehow taking over America, except that rohina isn't American, so the madness has clearly invaded Australia as well.
You may not have personally encountered these bubble kids, but I was forced into a peer based tutoring program for LD kids in the American public school I went to.
None of the kids I was assigned to had any ability to think for themselves. They were within a year of my age at the time and they behaved like children 3 to 5 years younger. They all suffered from self-entitlement and outstandingly huge egos from the years of ass wiping in the LD classes and/or by their medication dispensers/doctors. At the end of the program, I was the one held accountable for their failures (what the shit, I was 12!) and they were told "It's not your fault she failed you. She must have a teaching disability." and were ushered off onto the next year of LD studies. No accountabiliy and no reprocussions for failure, regardless of how or why they failed. The program even went so far as to give me a negative modifier to my Civics grade, causing my Honor Roll status to be removed.
Just as a note to my post, I'm not backing any particular side of this discussion, but I wanted to say that I had seen such children in my personal experience. As you stated, rufio, personal experiences are probably relevant to the discussion. Consider this as my personal experience added to the discussion and in no way is it an attempt to disprove anything.
socurious:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 16, 02:56:02
What makes you think your class is an appropriate sample of the entire country? What makes you think that the organization did not actually talk to real people? Do you have any explanation of how these results might have been produced if they were not in fact correct? Your personal experiences are probably relevant to the discussion, but using them to "disprove" the findings of an actual scientific study is bullshit.
Obviously, you have absolutely no idea what and/or how statistical data is generated. Questions are asked, yes. Interaction, however, is extremely limited.
I never used the word "disprove", hence my use of empirical evidence to explain my reasoning.
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I am not saying she doesn't. In fact, I am asking for her to give her Official Academic Opinion (tm) on this subject, with supporting sources of course.
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Because I want to see her actually back up her blanket statement with something of substance?
Again, why? Isn't her experience enough? You, who thinks that LD is included in mental retardism? You are asking for substance?
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It doesn't matter if it's spelled correctly, and it doesn't matter if I checked your spelling for you. The fact that you found it necessary to put "(sp)" in your post means that you didn't check your spelling even though you were unsure. Either that, or you don't know what "(sp)" means.
I can help you with reading comprehension.
socurious:
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You may not have personally encountered these bubble kids, but I was forced into a peer based tutoring program for LD kids in the American public school I went to.
None of the kids I was assigned to had any ability to think for themselves. They were within a year of my age at the time and they behaved like children 3 to 5 years younger. They all suffered from self-entitlement and outstandingly huge egos from the years of ass wiping in the LD classes and/or by their medication dispensers/doctors. At the end of the program, I was the one held accountable for their failures (what the shit, I was 12!) and they were told "It's not your fault she failed you. She must have a teaching disability." and were ushered off onto the next year of LD studies. No accountabiliy and no reprocussions for failure, regardless of how or why they failed. The program even went so far as to give me a negative modifier to my Civics grade, causing my Honor Roll status to be removed.
Just as a note to my post, I'm not backing any particular side of this discussion, but I wanted to say that I had seen such children in my personal experience. As you stated, rufio, personal experiences are probably relevant to the discussion. Consider this as my personal experience added to the discussion and in no way is it an attempt to disprove anything.
What you are describing doesn't sound like LD. That sounds more like emotionally disturbed.
J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 16, 01:29:42
Sure. My point was that "learning-disabled" simply means that you have trouble learning in whatever specific environment they first tried to teach you in, and not that you are incapable of learning in any environment whatsoever.
I argue that some kids simply have a problem learning in environments that don't contain enough beatings. Solution: More beatings!
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