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J. M. Pescado:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 15, 23:35:26
The problem is that "learning disability" is very general - it can refer to people with dyslexia, or people with mild to severe autism, or people with mental retardation, or probably any number of other things. All they have in common is that they have more trouble that usual learning in the environment they're expected to learn in.
Yeah, well, the inability to learn in ANY environment is a sign that YOU ARE STUPID. For instance, some people have difficulty learning under conditions which involve flying shrapnel, bullets, and nearby explosions. While certainly not ideal conditions for study, you should still be capable of learning under these conditions if you have a brain at all. Some people simply cannot. We have a word for them: DEAD.
rufio:
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 16, 01:15:51
I never said I was.
So what did you mean what you said this?
Quote from: rohina on 2009 June 15, 22:48:03
I know there's a movement in edumacation to do exactly that. However, this kind of idea of "accomodations" is seriously fucking up a bunch of learning disabled students, because it is designed to delude them into thinking their disability doesn't exist.
Quote from: J. M. Pescado on 2009 June 16, 01:20:08
Yeah, well, the inability to learn in ANY environment is a sign that YOU ARE STUPID.
Sure. My point was that "learning-disabled" simply means that you have trouble learning in whatever specific environment they first tried to teach you in, and not that you are incapable of learning in any environment whatsoever.
socurious:
See, I keep hearing about all of these horrible horrible OMG terrible conspiracies to protect learning-disabled kids in a bubble and not requiring them to actually think, but have never actually encountered them anywhere except in blanket statements on message boards. It's like how Communism/Socialized Medicine/Dirty Mexicans/Neoconservative Jews are somehow taking over America, except that rohina isn't American, so the madness has clearly invaded Australia as well.
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NIFL (National Institute for Literacy) estimates that up to 80% of high school drop outs are LD. As an ABE/GED educator, I find those numbers are greatly exaggerated. Those numbers, generated from just that one source should indicate something. Empirical evidence shows the most common issue is behavior/self-control in the younger drop-outs, whereas in the older students, the most likely reason for dropping-out was to take care of responsibilities. Yes, of course there actually are some students who are diagnosed LD, but they are the ones who are coming back just to prove to themselves they can, after achieving what they intended.
As for Rohina not being American - she is from an English-speaking, western civilization, and as an academian (sp), is probably more informed about the educational trends that go on in the US than most people IN the educational system.
Quote from: J. M. Pescado on 2009 June 16, 01:20:08
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 15, 23:35:26
The problem is that "learning disability" is very general - it can refer to people with dyslexia, or people with mild to severe autism, or people with mental retardation, or probably any number of other things. All they have in common is that they have more trouble that usual learning in the environment they're expected to learn in.
Yeah, well, the inability to learn in ANY environment is a sign that YOU ARE STUPID. For instance, some people have difficulty learning under conditions which involve flying shrapnel, bullets, and nearby explosions. While certainly not ideal conditions for study, you should still be capable of learning under these conditions if you have a brain at all. Some people simply cannot. We have a word for them: DEAD.
LD does not include anyone with mental retardation. That is covered under mental retardation (or some subcategory).
I think shrapnel and bullets would induce FASTER learning! (or death.).
rufio:
Quote from: maurie on 2009 June 16, 01:55:14
Empirical evidence shows the most common issue is behavior/self-control in the younger drop-outs, whereas in the older students, the most likely reason for dropping-out was to take care of responsibilities. Yes, of course there actually are some students who are diagnosed LD, but they are the ones who are coming back just to prove to themselves they can, after achieving what they intended.
Not saying you're wrong, but what does "empirical evidence" mean to you? Personal experiences with your specific students? Anecdotes from friends? Actual data from an organization you trust more? Which one?
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Rohina
I call her rohina because that is what she chose to call herself. If she wants me to capitalize her name, she can go into her profile and change it. If you want to take up this issue with rohina herself, be my guest.
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she is from an English-speaking, western civilization, and as an academian (sp), is probably more informed about the educational trends that go on in the US than most people IN the educational system.
I am not saying she doesn't. In fact, I am asking for her to give her Official Academic Opinion (tm) on this subject, with supporting sources of course.
Also, "(sp)" is the same thing as saying "I care about appearing educated but I'm too fucking lazy to actually look up the spellings of words." Fail.
socurious:
Quote from: rufio on 2009 June 16, 02:08:34
Not saying you're wrong, but what does "empirical evidence" mean to you? Personal experiences with your specific students? Anecdotes from friends? Actual data from an organization you trust more? Which one?
I really should have included that the information was based on my experience and interaction with my students. You know, the HUMAN interaction with other humans, where I actually meet, observe, interact, assess, teach, talk, celebrate... As opposed to a questionnaire built to build statistics.
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I am not saying she doesn't. In fact, I am asking for her to give her Official Academic Opinion (tm) on this subject, with supporting sources of course.
Why?
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Also, "(sp)" is the same thing as saying "I care about appearing educated but I'm too fucking lazy to actually look up the spellings of words." Fail.
Actually, it's spelled absolutely correct. Did you check? I wasn't happy with the specific application of the word in this case. A "member of an academy, university or college" could refer to just about anyone. And frankly, brain-fartage came in the way of thinking of a more applicable term.
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