Important notice from the GRAMMAR POLICE. Plz read. This means you.
kiki:
Quote from: Stitches on 2009 June 08, 18:20:05
Am I the only one that feels that any teacher that needs to outsource their grading is DOING IT WRONG?
*edit: I am not talking out of my ass here. I have several years of being a TA and am working on my credential concurrently with my degree.
When I was high-school teaching I never had a problem with doing my own marking and getting my work done - did it take a large chunk of my social life that I wished it hadn't? Sure...but I still managed to do my OWN work and what was required of me without having to pass it off on others. The salary I was on was the only reason I left teaching for a higher paid job, I never had a problem with doing the work because I knew what I was in for...too many people think that teaching is what they see on TV, that it ends once you leave the classroom, which is why they get butthurt when they realise the work involved.
femsuii:
Quote from: Annan on 2009 May 29, 11:09:14
Yes, and also, if we can manage to be coherent in a language that is not our first, those who grow up with it should be able to as well. Argh.
Agreed, it sometimes makes it hard to actually understand what a person is saying when they write it incorrect giving it a totally different definition.
Quote from: GloamingMerle on 2009 May 29, 11:20:47
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Ah fuck up and die!
LMFAO! I just knew someone would fail to sense my sarcasm, yet I'm amazed by it all the same. I thought it was pretty obvious.
Obvious and painfull, yes.
Quote from: SimplyComplex on 2009 May 29, 12:44:20
'Lol...' seriously, that's all I have to say to both your replies. You are so closed-minded you can't see the grey (I assume you're a Brit?) in between. Well, I tried to put another point across but you're not having any of it, so I suppose it's just another shame. Oh gosh, I used wiggles to emphasize my name, that MUST mean I'm a pleb. And my attitude? It's a good one to have, I'm proud of it, I know I'm a fair person. Don't worry though, you can have your little obsession back, I can see you're never going to open your eyes. It would just be nice if you were nicer to people, even when you want to get a grammar point across.
I assume you're doing it on purpose now? At least someone is proud... :roll:
Quote from: SimplyComplex on 2009 May 29, 15:11:36
It's not as simple as that because they came back at me telling me i meant things that i had never written. Twisting ways i had worded things. Like some of the examples i brought up. The words i use are the words i mean, if i don't say things like 'i think you should all change for me' then thats what i meant to not put. But i've had people coming back to me with 'oh so you want us to change for you' type thing. Near the beginning i said how a spelling mistake is so bad, and i got things back saying that you basically have no intelligence if you don't capitalize something etc. So from asking an innocent enough question, people make it personal by stating what a person is if they don't spell the way THEY want. Then telling me how i don't get the way it works here even though more than once i had stated i understood. So if i took care to make it clear i understood, yet still got people repeating themselves that i didn't, just who has made the mistake there. Not me! Bottom line on the subject of this thread though, is that this site would still be good and non-n00bish even if people forgot the odd apostrophe or capital. The odd grammar drop isn't the same as people coming on going 'yo peepz, sims 3 iz da bomb (or not as the case may be) ^.^ w00t'. And it seems to be that people don't want THAT type on here?
I guess they just didn't teach you comprehensive reading when you were in school? :o
And it's just a hopeless cause... I'm not going to correct all the errors, because it's time consuming. You just like being recalcitrant?
Quote from: SimplyComplex on 2009 May 29, 15:23:14
It's just that in this day its natural to not worry too much about grammar on the net. And we're not even talking about jumbled up words here, they're on about things like not capitalising an 'I'. While some people may be anal about spelling, this type of mishap won't in any way affect a post.
Actually, when (native) people start to spell things/use grammar incorrectly, it makes it harder for a foreigner to comprehend what it's saying since there really is a difference between (e.g.) "your" and "you're".
Quote from: SimplyComplex on 2009 May 29, 15:34:09
Thats just the way i type. I don't use silly n00b speak, or 'pmsl' everywhere, but yeah, i do cut corners with capital I's. And it's not riddled with errors. And 'in your opinion is annoying', yes. I also love the way you use 'we' to refer to yourselves. It's like your a cult or something. You seem to forget you don't own the site, even if you feel you are some type of minion. Pescado hasn't once really said anything himself about how to behave with grammar, this thread wasn't even created by him! I said i understood, now you are telling me AGAIN that i don't and telling me the reason why you think it. I'm careful that i type things to an 'alright' standard, but i know i just won't be able to keep to making sure every tiny thing is done 'the proper' way. And it has nothing to so with doing it 'intentionally'. It's my habit, but it gets me by. If the guy in charge asks me to try harder than perhaps it's more worth thinking about.
I'm not trying to 'win' anything. Was just having a conversation
Apparently, it's very hard for you to type correct. Hint: typ your posts (interlarded with ignorance) in word before posting, and don't forget to adjust "i" with "I" in autocorrect. Yes, it is that simple :D
Oh crap, and now she got canned. That's what I get for almost always reading the entire thread... :roll:
Quote from: Perez Hilton on 2009 June 03, 01:52:33
Quote from: timelycorruption on 2009 June 02, 19:30:04
Quote from: Zaphod Beeblebrox on 2009 May 30, 18:45:02
It's sad, really. I noticed that my son's teachers don't bother to correct his spelling or grammar on most of his assignments because it's "the substance that matters" to them. Apparently, AOLspeak is changing the way papers are graded. Why in the hell has it become commonplace?
This probably also has something to do with overly PC public school teachers nowadays that are afraid to correct kids, fearing the wrath of child-centered parents.
Actually it probably has more to do with the fact that your kid's classes probably have 38+ students in each class. When you teach at least 200 students a day you cannot correct everything on each assignment. Next year in our district the classes are going up to 42. We save that kind of grading for the big important writing assignments and give everything else a few "pity points" for effort.
I don't see the problem? In both primary and high school most of my classes consisted of 30-40 students and they always corrected everything.
Quote from: Perez Hilton on 2009 June 06, 03:18:40
Since you asked so nicely... I am not a teacher. I know teachers, live with teachers, and I volunteer with teachers. The reason I have not been fired, is simply because they are grateful to have a little help, despite the fact that there is too much work for me to finish. My job includes grading mountains of papers for very overworked teachers. I see what they are up against with the enormous class sizes my teachers are saddled with now. By the way a teacher's job description does not include any specific way they must grade papers. Their job is to teach, and most of them do the best they can with what they have. In our current economic situation, teachers are not even allowed to make photo copies anymore (in my district) much less given any other type of supplies. Everything comes out of their pocket. They receive very little respect, no understanding, and far too much abuse. What I have seen has caused me to change my career choices completely, because there is no way I want to mess with any of that. The last thing I want is to spend all day trying to teach today's horrible children, just to have them mock you, destroy your materials, and then have their equally nasty parents come and scream at you for their own failures.
Why am I bitching? I wasn't bitching before, but now I am! The reason I replied is because I felt your comment showed the typical amount of ignorance of what it actually means to try to do this job, and I'm confident that I am right. I'd like to see what you look like after just one year of trying to keep 200 teenagers alive, much less teach them something that they don't want to learn.
If you're not a teacher, WTH are you doing grading papers? And by teaching I think they actually mean teaching correct *language*, so correcting grammar and/or spelling on papers is - IMO - teaching.
Quote from: psikfreak on 2009 June 06, 07:47:38
Oh, yay. Edited those extraneous quotes out correctly. Small things.
Now, I've had my MATY account dumped at least twice that I can recall. Why? I am not one of the Awesome people around here. I can see the site in full from guest view so virtually never log in. Why? Because, to reiterate, I am not one of the Awesome people around here. I come, I use search, I rarely attempt to post because I know I am not one of the Awesome people.
When I do post I exercise caution in what I say and how I say it. Why? It's MATY. For the same reason I warn people I meet in the Sims community to try all available remedies for their Sims ailment before coming here. And to humbly list said attempts before asking for help. Imbeciles are the favorite chum for the denizens whom lurk within MATY.
I skipped over the majority of the posts -for which I will stand still and take my lumps. I was not going to post, however seeing, well, what I would call verbal diarrhea if said to me in person, in your post I changed my mind.
Last time I checked part of teaching was checking to make sure your students are learning. That is done with homework and tests. Which, must be graded to ascertain if a student is learning. Therefore, grading papers is a part of their job. Whether stated in small words for individuals of dubious intelligence such as yourself or as an implied responsibility of their position.
If teachers in your district are not allowed to make copies take it up with the PTA, school board, superintendent, etc. It has no bearing on the discussion at hand.
Teachers in this day and age (in the USA) receive very little respect, no understanding, and far too much abuse because society and the government permit it/refuse to support them. Again, this has no bearing on the discussion at hand.
Further, today's children are 'horrible' because their parents are to self-absorbed and incompetent to raise a child. Society makes excuses for those children, e.g. they come from underprivileged homes, etc. And finally because people like you wash their hands of them. It's so much easier than tackling a problem that you haven't created but could remedy.
You think teachers get the short end of the stick, try being a school bus driver for three years for everything from elementary kids from the local ghetto to spoiled high school brats. Try working in a teacher's assistant capacity in the most underprivileged elementary school in the city. Finally, try doing behavioral management with a therapy firm for an entire year with elementary students born premature, treated like animals, and sexually abused to high school kids who's only goal in life is to join a gang and die in a drive by.
Nobody goes into any of those for kudos, pats on the back, or warm fuzzies. After doing the required time as a student teacher any individual going into the field who doesn't grasp the thankless nature of the position is blind, ignorant, stupid, what have you. And they get what they deserve.
I personally go back every year to drive a bus because if, after all the abuse and nonsense, I've reached one child, gotten one child to think, made a difference, an impact then I have succeeded. And that's ALL the thanks I need, my warm fuzzies, etc.
Oh, and for the record -you can't teach anyone who doesn't want to learn. What you can do is try to motivate them to want to learn through various means. Somehow, I do not think you would be good at that, given the attitude you've displayed. And I am thankful you are not a teacher. Children need a firm hand. Limits and rules. They also need hope -something you are sadly lacking.
Now, as for egregious spelling and grammatical errors. I will run this through Word, it will tell me it has everything fixed, and I'll believe it because I don't see them. But you don't hear me whining about it. I attempt to remedy the problem. Have I failed, will I fail? Yes, and most likely. But I bloody well tried and here at MATY effort is noted and appreciated. Not whining, bitching, and making pathetic excuses.
Look again.
* Going back to lurk mode*
Roflganger:
Really? Delurking to revive an argument that's been dead for over a week? After you saw that she'd been canned, that seems like a good time to delete everything pertaining to it since you could clearly see it was no longer relevant.
By the way, it really helps if you only quote the relevant parts of the post rather than the entire thing.
Zaphod Beeblebrox:
Quote from: Perez Hilton on 2009 June 03, 01:52:33
Actually it probably has more to do with the fact that your kid's classes probably have 38+ students in each class. When you teach at least 200 students a day you cannot correct everything on each assignment. Next year in our district the classes are going up to 42. We save that kind of grading for the big important writing assignments and give everything else a few "pity points" for effort.
Actually, no. Thank you for assuming that my son attends a city public school where, yes, there's hardly any funding and teachers to go around in over-populated classrooms, but he doesn't. He attends a township school that's small in a classroom where there's only 17 kids. This is a classroom where the teacher even has two goddamn assistants to help her.
In my day, if you received quite a few Fs on your report card, you were held back, but that's no longer true. It has more to do with schools trying to push kids ahead even though they're barely grasping what they're learning because of the No Child Left Behind Act. For something that's supposed to help children succeed and reward corporations that are doing an excellent job of teaching, it's really just causing school boards and superintendents to get their panties in a collective twist over trying to make their kids look like they are exceptional geniuses, and that the teachers aren't just there to collect their paychecks and make tenure (hell, that happened in my day; teachers who didn't care anymore after they made tenure).
timelycorruption:
Quote from: Perez Hilton on 2009 June 03, 01:52:33
We
So this is the opposite of the royal we, then?
Like... the peasant we?
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